Macro's please start banning the user's.

crowfl56 · August 2015

Here's hoping ZOS has enough video and complaints from people getting killed by these exploiting people.

I have been killed way to many time's in 1 second, only to look at the recap and see 5 hits from the same person using abilities that are timed at 1.3 seconds and even a Ultimate or 2. No one and I don't care how fast your fingers fly, can hit their keys that fast without using a macro.

So ZOS police and kick those offender's please, the game has enough cheaters as is.

Thank you.

Shunravi · August 2015

Prove they are macros first.

Grunkins · August 2015

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/greengrocer's_apostrophe

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2015

This is why animation is cancelling is good right? I mean how else could people fire off macros so fast?

Blade_07 · August 2015

The G510 Logitech keyboard comes with buttons that you can make macros with but if they are using abilities faster then they should be then they are hacking and not exploiting.
Oh, and I dont use any macros for this game. I dont need to cuz all I play is PvE.

crowfl56 · August 2015

Proof, LOL, I just stated proof, but as I said ZOS has the proof they know its an issue, they just haven't brought the hammer down.

Thecapeo · August 2015

The problem is less macros and more an issue with canceling. When ZOS attempts to "balance" abilities they don't seem to test how they can canceled so that essentially 2-3 skills all land at once.

Runs · August 2015

Any chance of this being the same as when I lag and my attacks are not going off when I press them, then they all go attack the mob at one time(from the locations I was standing when cast) even though there was no animation canceling?

TheBull · August 2015

Star banning the people who make these ridiculous threads. Please report with me.

Akavir_Sentinel · August 2015

While there are players that use macros, you still have to prove it. Not everything is a macro. For example, using a certain build and sets, I can hit you with 6 attacks in one second without using a macro.

RizaHawkeye · August 2015

Blade_07 wrote: »

The G510 Logitech keyboard comes with buttons that you can make macros with but if they are using abilities faster then they should be then they are hacking and not exploiting.
Oh, and I dont use any macros for this game. I dont need to cuz all I play is PvE.

LOL, I have that keyboard, too. Those keys on the left hand side of the keyboard are going unused for now, as I'm still learning how to use macros ...

crowfl56 · August 2015

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

While there are players that use macros, you still have to prove it. Not everything is a macro. For example, using a certain build and sets, I can hit you with 6 attacks in one second without using a macro.

Well that is very interesting, mate, just what build and equipment are you using then, proof is now on your shoulders he he.

Robbmrp · August 2015

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

While there are players that use macros, you still have to prove it. Not everything is a macro. For example, using a certain build and sets, I can hit you with 6 attacks in one second without using a macro.

The biggest problem with macro assumption is the horrible death recap we have. If it was timed and showed the time of the hits, it would be a lot easier to identify. ESO Lag is so rampant that many hits can seem like one. I've thought many players use Macro's but have never reported anyone on it as I didn't have proof of it. The more I PVP, I tend to think it's the lag causing hits to not show/register than actual macros.

What we need from @ZOS is a TIMED DEATH RECAP. Show the times in which these spells hit us. Then we will be better informed on what's a macro or not. Using an Addon for damage IMO doesn't constitute actual proof as the data it's pulling from may not be accurate.

@ZOS is going to have to fix the Death Recap for us to be able to prove others are using macros. If the recap showed the times of the 4-6 hits, and they are all timed at the exact same time, that's a macro and we could report it with a screen shot.

Alabyn · August 2015

Is this why I fall so fast in PvP? I mean, I'm well aware I'm squishy light armor and not the best tactician, but I wondered why there's no time to even break Cc and get a BoL off. Yikes.

Thecapeo · August 2015

There's PC add ons that have timed recaps I believe. But they're still at the mercy lag messing with when the server registers the hit. The best way to fix all this stuff would be set cast times. No canceling and macros would generally mean instant death. I'd assume that would require a ground up rewrite of the code though so can't see that ever happening.

crowfl56 · August 2015

Lag is a whole different issue, and believe me you can tell if you are lagged out, or just straight out smashed

I have never reported anyone for anything but spamming chat and botting.

Mawgusta · August 2015

Why did I think of Tron because of the title?

OdinForge · August 2015

LOL no one is macro'ing.. xD

You can animation cancel all you want in 1.7, it takes so long to kill anyone it doesn't matter. In 1.6 it was stupid easy to stack damage + penetration, combine that with people who don't know what they're doing and/or lack any defense and you have instant deaths. The meta in 1.6 leaned in the direction of glass cannon builds, next patch is very different.

Stop assuming people are macro'ing, you see a light attack and a bash with a skill in your recap. The person just hit you with a light attack then a skill and canceled it with an interrupt, no macro required and likely not involved. In fact doing this without a macro gives you manual control of what you're doing, leaving it to automation would be very sloppy. At least with this game, it's not the type of game where a macro would give you an advantage over someone who knows priority.

Akavir_Sentinel · August 2015

crowfl56 wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

While there are players that use macros, you still have to prove it. Not everything is a macro. For example, using a certain build and sets, I can hit you with 6 attacks in one second without using a macro.

Well that is very interesting, mate, just what build and equipment are you using then, proof is now on your shoulders he he.

DK using Affliction set and Eagle Eye set, Camouflaged Hunter, Lethal Arrow, Poison Injection, Molten Armaments. The Dominion's Bow that I use does unresistible damage, the Affliction set procs disease damage on hit. So, by simply drawing back for a full heavy attack, I can hit you with a heavy attack, unresistible damage, disease damage, camouflaged hunter, and poison injection, all in one second with a single keypress. If you are really fast, you can use Lethal Arrow first, then the heavy attack combination while the Lethal Arrow is still in flight.

Isbilen · August 2015

Whether you're pressing the buttons yourself or a bot is pressing them for you, you both follow the same animation rules.

Hexyl · August 2015

Macro or not, proof or not,

IT SHOULDNT BE NO WAY TO KILL SOMEONE WITH 5 HIT IN LESS THAN ONE SECOND .

Stop try to find some excuses for macro users / exploiters. This need to get out of this game. That's all.

There is a problem, and hope Zos have their attention on it.

OGLezard · August 2015

Yea animation cancelling needs to go... I am sorry, I am really sick of having 50 ping and watching someone I cant name bolt escape and thats all I see but my death recap shows him using crushing shock, dawn breaker of broken, pulse, heavy attack, streak. All I ever see is streak thats it. No crushing shock, no dawn breaker, no pulse, no heavy attack, just streak. All those attacks from the same person too mind you.

By the time his streak hits me everything is hitting me with NO other animation but streak being played, cuz I watch him streak towards me and I die >_> Doesnt always kill me, but most the time yes

I keep calling him a macro user, but everyone keeps saying "I play with him he dont macro, he just found a way to animation cancel better than the rest" the same person even gets THREE shields (healing ward, hardened ward, and harness magicka) with ONE animation.......

Sorry @zos this is a really boring way to play this game.

Rikal · August 2015

I don't PvP, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last year.

Hopefully I am an objective observer. So in a question of whether something is worth reporting, I suggest report it. Include whatever info. you can. Really there is nothing I have read in this thread or any similar ones that looks like players have access to conclusive proof one way or another. Make it ZOS responsibility to determine if there was some kind of violation, or even if there is no violation if the game is behaving the way they want it to. That's their job.

Gilvoth · August 2015

i was hit and died in one hit from a mobb a few days ago, and i realized that it was lagg and nothing do with macro because how could a mobb macro?
later that night the entire server crashed for eso on alll 3 platforms, so i think alot of this is related to lagg.
BUT there are people who do macro. its not allways "lagg"

Emma_Overload · August 2015

crowfl56 wrote: »

Here's hoping ZOS has enough video and complaints from people getting killed by these exploiting people.

I have been killed way to many time's in 1 second, only to look at the recap and see 5 hits from the same person using abilities that are timed at 1.3 seconds and even a Ultimate or 2. No one and I don't care how fast your fingers fly, can hit their keys that fast without using a macro.

So ZOS police and kick those offender's please, the game has enough cheaters as is.

Thank you.

The 100th thread on this topic (at least).... and STILL NO VIDEO PROOF?!

Why is it that everybody and their mother can upload PvP videos to YouTube except the "victims" of dem eeevil macroz?

myrrrorb14_ESO · August 2015

Macros dont really allow you to do anything you couldnt with a lot of practice on timing and Im not entirely convinced that using a macro would be benificial in many circumstances due to the enormous amounts of lag that can just appear suddenly. Additionally, how could you even prove that a macro was used? A macro is nothing but a bunch of recorded key strokes.

I usually assume it was lag that killed me when something like that shows up. He was lagging the system saved his key strokes and then pushed them all at once.

All I can say is if you suspect foul play, record it and send it in. I wouldnt expect a response from it, since its so hard to prove though. Maybe it wiould be better without animation cancelling. But I think that the cancelling adds a little skill to the game.

nevvt · August 2015

just add a 1 sec GCD, easy fix

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

problem is you not only have to prove there using macros ZOS has to then try to catch them in the act of using macros and if they know there beening watch they will cut back and try to take the heat off them.

OdinForge · August 2015

nevvt wrote: »

just add a 1 sec GCD, easy fix

Stuff like this doesn't fix anything, it just weakens the combat. It Removes a lot of that dynamic feeling that has been pretty unique to ESO.

Things like having many skill choices and global cool-downs only encourage people to actually start using macros to deal with it instead.

Xjcon · August 2015

OdinForge wrote: »

nevvt wrote: »

just add a 1 sec GCD, easy fix

Stuff like this doesn't fix anything, it just weakens the combat. It Removes a lot of that dynamic feeling that has been pretty unique to ESO.

Things like having many skill choices and global cool-downs only encourage people to actually start using macros to deal with it instead.

A solution would be to lock yourself in the block animation for 1 second. Then they wouldn't have to mess with weaving just eliminate block cancelling.

OdinForge · August 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

nevvt wrote: »

just add a 1 sec GCD, easy fix

Stuff like this doesn't fix anything, it just weakens the combat. It Removes a lot of that dynamic feeling that has been pretty unique to ESO.

Things like having many skill choices and global cool-downs only encourage people to actually start using macros to deal with it instead.

A solution would be to lock yourself in the block animation for 1 second. Then they wouldn't have to mess with weaving just eliminate block cancelling.

My opinion of block-casting is the same as animation canceling, it's just that block-casting has always been too strong for some builds. A DPS using block-casting typically is risking his resource* pool, but the old DK meta is a perfect example of how block-casting could be abused by some builds with minimal consequence. So i feel it's important to maintain that freedom and dynamic, but they took a step in the right direction with 1.7 in that blocking cuts your stamina regen.

Unfortunately what awaits us in 1.7 is far worse than block-casting, anyone paying attention to the PTS knows what direction the meta is moving.