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It's ridiculous for an MMORPG not to have this feature.
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Sandmanninja wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I refuse to go through all that [snip] again. It's taken me two weeks just to get to level 40. Or at least it feels like it's been two weeks. The reason to have it is because players want it. There's no reason not to have it.
Okay. According to your logic, there should be flying mounts that shoot lasers and let you snipe n gank newbies from miles away. Why? Because someone wants it.
I'm not aware of ANY mmo that lets you change your CLASS. Race, yes, but not class. Like World of Warcraft, I'm sure ESO will offer instant-50s or instant-VR16s "soon" in their cash shop.
But just level an alt.
I play slowly - I only have 2 VR14s and I've been playing since Day -5. I'm going for as many achievements as possible on them and just enjoying it.
You have 8 slots - that's room enough for two of each class.
Just get a FPS - ESO is a thinking man's game.
DCUO allowed you to change abilities, which is essentially allowing you to change class. Flying mounts and lasers shouldn't be added because they don't fit with the theme of the game, stop making blind comparisons for situations that aren't remotely comparable. You claim to be a thinking man, yet that was the best you could come up with? I also don't see how repeating the same *** over out of inconvenience requires you to think at all.
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likelolwhat✭✭✭✭Sandmanninja wrote: »[I play slowly - I only have 2 VR14s and I've been playing since Day -5. I'm going for as many achievements as possible on them and just enjoying it.
Same here on timeline, but I'm even slower than you - main is v8 and highest alt is 44. I know, I know, I suck.
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BaconMagic✭✭✭Roll alt. Go to Wayrest sewers with a buddy, Mara rings, ESO+, and a few XP pots. Grind the first two room of mobs, leave dungeon, repeat. 1-50 before nightfall on Monday.0 -
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✭✭BaconMagic wrote: »Roll alt. Go to Wayrest sewers with a buddy, Mara rings, ESO+, and a few XP pots. Grind the first two room of mobs, leave dungeon, repeat. 1-50 before nightfall on Monday.
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✭✭Only play one other MMO. Guess what? The said game does not allow you to change class/profession. Just like this game, you are required to create alternative characters.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)0 -
miked83b14_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »The ability to change classes. Seriously, I don't know why these ZOS guys keep avoiding this. Say what you want, but this is still technically an "Elder Scrolls" game. I wasn't expecting the classes to be so separated. I should've known better, but I didn't. I'd like to rectify that mistake. Of course you have the selfish players who are perfectly happy with their character who say you should've chose more carefully or make a new character. I'm one of those people who likes sticking with one character. I like my current character and I don't like the idea of starting her over or having two Vestiges. Not to mention how much this game has pissed me off over the past two weeks I've had it, what with the crashing, lagging, and spotty hit detection. I just don't like the idea of a Vampiric Templar. It goes completely against itself. It's so idiotic watching my Vampire character use these Aedric holy moves, "chosen one" or not. I want to change to Nightblade or Sorcerer as they're more fitting.
No MMO offers class change. Not one. However, most MMOs do offer paid services for apearance, race and faction changes. These services are sorely absent in ESO and should be implemented.
That's a big claim to say no MMO offers a class change. That's pretty ignorant to even try to claim ALL mmos don't have this option.
Now in my regards to the topic, I've only play a few MMOs, and in THOSE few I have seen ones that offered this option. However the biggest problem that comes with this option is how people will go FOTM. The MMOs I've played that had this option became purely FOTM, and ALWAYS calling for balanced left, and right.
Personally I can see the positives, and negatives of offering a Class Switch option.
I've already mentioned the biggest negative.
For me personally, the biggest reason why would like a class switch is an option for me to change things up when I've gotten tired of one class. Starting over takes awhile, and doing it the "Fast way" is honestly stupid, and boring. Anyone who suggests it is unrealistic, and doesn't care for the spirit of the game. Using ESO plus, pledge of Mara, chug Psijic ambrosia like it was freaking water then grind grind grind certain spots of the game? That does not sound like a game to me, sorry.
Allowing this Class Switch could increase longevity of this game for the individual substantially especially since you wouldn't have to start all over again which is where most people get discouraged. People have lives outside of ESO therefore it is also unrealistic to tell them to reroll as their only option.
Regardless of the positives, I actually would still side for not having this feature. The reason being is because I know the results of having the said option. I just don't want the game to become a FOTM war which broods far too many elitists which then makes a more toxic community overall. That would be a seed I don't want sown. The negatives just outweigh the positives.
What is more, the biggest positive for me could actually be solved in more than one way. We can do other things for increasing the longevity of the game for the individual than this class switch. Like DLC for example amongst other options.
TL;DR- Class Switch could increase the longevity of the game for the person, but Isnt worth the risk of the community becoming elitist, and toxic due to the inevitable FOTM that would ensue.Edited by ChibiMechaX78 on August 29, 2015 9:48PM2 -
All of you guys saying you don't want this because issues would arise with balance, how is rerolling any different? If I can level up as fast as you say I can, why not just have the option to do it quicker? All skill points and progress you made in your first class would be transferred over. Most of what you guys are saying are just in-character story excuses as to why it shouldn't be. Creating a whole new Vestige makes as much sense as rewriting your character's abilities story wise, don't give me that "You didn't learn those NB skills" [snip] It's a damn game.
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Rikal✭✭✭You can level an alt much faster than the devs could make the requested change, even if they wanted to. So a feature already exists which you could use to create something other than a Templar-Vampire MUCH sooner than you could possibly get a feature to change class on an existing toon.
And am I missing something, isn't Vampirism curable?Rikal on NA-PC (aka Rhaulikko)0 -
miked83b14_ESO✭✭✭miked83b14_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »The ability to change classes. Seriously, I don't know why these ZOS guys keep avoiding this. Say what you want, but this is still technically an "Elder Scrolls" game. I wasn't expecting the classes to be so separated. I should've known better, but I didn't. I'd like to rectify that mistake. Of course you have the selfish players who are perfectly happy with their character who say you should've chose more carefully or make a new character. I'm one of those people who likes sticking with one character. I like my current character and I don't like the idea of starting her over or having two Vestiges. Not to mention how much this game has pissed me off over the past two weeks I've had it, what with the crashing, lagging, and spotty hit detection. I just don't like the idea of a Vampiric Templar. It goes completely against itself. It's so idiotic watching my Vampire character use these Aedric holy moves, "chosen one" or not. I want to change to Nightblade or Sorcerer as they're more fitting.
No MMO offers class change. Not one. However, most MMOs do offer paid services for apearance, race and faction changes. These services are sorely absent in ESO and should be implemented.
Losing the battle, the old switcheroo - now I'm on top. Faction (alliance) change should never be part of a game.
Usually appearance, race and faction changes come with a 1 or 2 month cooldown in other MMOs. These features are also very pricey, like $25 - $50. Sure some people argue that other players will abandon their faction and join the stronger one but with the price and cooldown it stops a good majority of players. Really the ability to pay for a faction change is so that over the years, players can join a friend's faction without starting over again.
It really comes down to a quality of life issue. People become discouraged when they can't play with their friends and to start over again seems unreasonable for some so they quit.Edited by miked83b14_ESO on August 30, 2015 12:36AM0 -
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✭Sorry if I missed it but too OP name these games that offer it! Also it took WoW like 8 years to start allowing race changes. So give it up what MMO's allow what you are asking for?“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Ha! Ridiculous for an mmo he says.Not many mmo's have this option. If the option was there you would come here whining about having to level the new skills. Also your last point is so incredibly moronic I can barely think of a response, but I'll try. My templar is not a vampire because...gasp...I didn't make him one. You chose to take the bite on your templar and now your mad because it doesn't mesh? Why not get cured? I do not believe for a second it took you to vet levels or wherever you're currently at to discover you didn't like the templar class. Yes this is an ES game, but it's also an mmo. You can't just have total build/skill freedom/class freedom all at once. There's a million other people in your game world now, you are no longer the Dovahkiin Rinnegan.
"You chose to take a bite on your Templar", no. I chose to take a bite on my character. My single, one and only character. I will never make a second one because that's annoying. Not having the option to change classes isn't encouraging me to reroll, it's just pissing me off and I'm less likely to play long term. I don't have "a main and alts". I have one character and I don't like the Templar/Vampire mix. I do like being a Vampire though. So what's the logical solution for someone who only wants one character, wants them to be a Vampire, and doesn't like their class? It's a class change. Seeing how no one has presented an actual reason as to why it's a bad idea, I still stand by the feature.
You sound inconsistent.
You seem to have a roleplaying issue with a Templar being a vampire. But you don't have a roleplaying issue with completely changing your character's class, which is changing the character's inherent talents?
And why is a vampire templar a problem? Were you ever a vampire in other Elder Scrolls games? The divines didn't care. You still did their bidding.0 -
Ryzaerian✭✭✭Did you seriously just linkbait the title? "Every MMO should have these features. You won't believe #4!" xD
Also, your idea is silly, and is -not- included in the vast majority of MMO's.
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BaconMagic wrote: »O rly?
Welcome to ESO. Level 1-50 can be done in a day. Seriously. Roll an alt. you have to level all the skills anyway which takes longer than 1-50.
how does it take a day?
takes me a day to just gain 5 levels...
Anyways to OP....just reroll...most MMOs I played don't let you change classes tbh. im a sorcerer healer, and i hate how people prefer templars, which makes me want to reroll temp and make my mage dps. switching would make it easy...but the concept doesnt make sense to me tbh...
thats why you try classes out for a few levels...
a paid feature? i wouldnt care...but its kinda dumb. then no one will be remaking classes. i personally enjoy having alts to play with, making each one unique...so...sorry but if the feature is implemented its w/e id support it, but i dont see any real reason for it and completely understand why its not implemented as well
Lol just wandering around the world you can get to level 20 in way less than 5 hours. Just think of this way, more characters more champion point xp to milk.0 -
JDar✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »The ability to change classes. Seriously, I don't know why these ZOS guys keep avoiding this. Say what you want, but this is still technically an "Elder Scrolls" game. I wasn't expecting the classes to be so separated. I should've known better, but I didn't. I'd like to rectify that mistake. Of course you have the selfish players who are perfectly happy with their character who say you should've chose more carefully or make a new character. I'm one of those people who likes sticking with one character. I like my current character and I don't like the idea of starting her over or having two Vestiges. Not to mention how much this game has pissed me off over the past two weeks I've had it, what with the crashing, lagging, and spotty hit detection. I just don't like the idea of a Vampiric Templar. It goes completely against itself. It's so idiotic watching my Vampire character use these Aedric holy moves, "chosen one" or not. I want to change to Nightblade or Sorcerer as they're more fitting.
Why don't you drop vampire then?
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »No one would be forcing you to use the feature. It would be there for people that do want it. If you're not forced to use it, then what's the problem?
Most people who want options use that same argument "it would not impact you since you wouldn't have to use it, so why take it away from me since I would like to have it". This argument is just wrong.
This is an MMO with a competitive aspect (even more so in PvP) and "options" such as class change would mean changing the entire game rules and mechanics. So it would impact *everybody* whether they use it or not, because they'd compete with people who have that option too.
Not ALL options are game-changers but most of them are, and this one definitely would be.
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Mitchblue✭✭✭✭miked83b14_ESO wrote: »miked83b14_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »The ability to change classes. Seriously, I don't know why these ZOS guys keep avoiding this. Say what you want, but this is still technically an "Elder Scrolls" game. I wasn't expecting the classes to be so separated. I should've known better, but I didn't. I'd like to rectify that mistake. Of course you have the selfish players who are perfectly happy with their character who say you should've chose more carefully or make a new character. I'm one of those people who likes sticking with one character. I like my current character and I don't like the idea of starting her over or having two Vestiges. Not to mention how much this game has pissed me off over the past two weeks I've had it, what with the crashing, lagging, and spotty hit detection. I just don't like the idea of a Vampiric Templar. It goes completely against itself. It's so idiotic watching my Vampire character use these Aedric holy moves, "chosen one" or not. I want to change to Nightblade or Sorcerer as they're more fitting.
No MMO offers class change. Not one. However, most MMOs do offer paid services for apearance, race and faction changes. These services are sorely absent in ESO and should be implemented.
Losing the battle, the old switcheroo - now I'm on top. Faction (alliance) change should never be part of a game.
Usually appearance, race and faction changes come with a 1 or 2 month cooldown in other MMOs. These features are also very pricey, like $25 - $50. Sure some people argue that other players will abandon their faction and join the stronger one but with the price and cooldown it stops a good majority of players. Really the ability to pay for a faction change is so that over the years, players can join a friend's faction without starting over again.
It really comes down to a quality of life issue. People become discouraged when they can't play with their friends and to start over again seems unreasonable for some so they quit.
Not sure you should have anything where only the ones who have much money will be able to do..Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?1 -
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LucioSoul ShrivenChange classes directly in the game would be great for me too instead of making a milion alts and relogging with them all for receive rewards from hireling mail is pretty stupid thing only slow down stress server since there are continuous crash and loading screen right after login...0
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✭✭✭Ummm, many MMO's don't have this feature.
I dislike the Idea anyway, makes rolling alts less encouraged and means that there's no point in testing out classes on other characters or leveling them up because you already have a VR 16 who can just change anyway.
Sounds like a really stupid idea, sorry.House Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'2 -
RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »MMorpgs that let you switch classes are the worst. I much prefer the character you create have meaning and not just be a template to change your game at a moments notice. Why even bother with having more than 1 character slot if you can just switch classes anytime you want?
Race? Gender? Choices? Weapon? There are multiple reasons to start a new character besides class. I will never start a new character no matter what anyway, so class isn't a motivator. If my character got deleted tomorrow, I'd snap the game in half and rip someone off in EBay. There's literally no reason not to have this feature. If you want your character to have meaning, you don't have to use it. Stop trying to force these views on other people.
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The reason speaks for itself, it has use. It makes playing the game more convenient.
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DragonxTortoise wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »The ability to change classes. Seriously, I don't know why these ZOS guys keep avoiding this. Say what you want, but this is still technically an "Elder Scrolls" game. I wasn't expecting the classes to be so separated. I should've known better, but I didn't. I'd like to rectify that mistake. Of course you have the selfish players who are perfectly happy with their character who say you should've chose more carefully or make a new character. I'm one of those people who likes sticking with one character. I like my current character and I don't like the idea of starting her over or having two Vestiges. Not to mention how much this game has pissed me off over the past two weeks I've had it, what with the crashing, lagging, and spotty hit detection. I just don't like the idea of a Vampiric Templar. It goes completely against itself. It's so idiotic watching my Vampire character use these Aedric holy moves, "chosen one" or not. I want to change to Nightblade or Sorcerer as they're more fitting.
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There's a difference between game difficulty and technical mediocrity. This game is not difficult, but it's so awful with the crashing and the lagging and spotty hit detection that I refuse to go through the headache again.
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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »No one would be forcing you to use the feature. It would be there for people that do want it. If you're not forced to use it, then what's the problem?
Most people who want options use that same argument "it would not impact you since you wouldn't have to use it, so why take it away from me since I would like to have it". This argument is just wrong.
This is an MMO with a competitive aspect (even more so in PvP) and "options" such as class change would mean changing the entire game rules and mechanics. So it would impact *everybody* whether they use it or not, because they'd compete with people who have that option too.
Not ALL options are game-changers but most of them are, and this one definitely would be.
I fail to see how this is a game changer anymore than rerolling. If good players can level up as fast as people are saying they can, then the ones who are playing to be the best and take advantage of superior classes are already doing so. You guys talk about me being inconsistent, but you're doing the exact same things.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »In Morrowind,you could open up thee menu and change everything.Class,race,etc.
Last time I played Morrowind it wasn't an MMO.RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »MMorpgs that let you switch classes are the worst. I much prefer the character you create have meaning and not just be a template to change your game at a moments notice. Why even bother with having more than 1 character slot if you can just switch classes anytime you want?
Race? Gender? Choices? Weapon? There are multiple reasons to start a new character besides class. I will never start a new character no matter what anyway, so class isn't a motivator. If my character got deleted tomorrow, I'd snap the game in half and rip someone off in EBay. There's literally no reason not to have this feature. If you want your character to have meaning, you don't have to use it. Stop trying to force these views on other people.
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The reason speaks for itself, it has use. It makes playing the game more convenient.
That is a benefit of the change, not a reason for it.
Beyond the fact that you want it, you haven't given a single reason why such a class change should be permitted.
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"spotty hit detection" you know the game is designed around a targetting system? So your "spotty hit detection" comment just makes you look like you haven't really played the game. If you don't know how to tell if you're targetting an enemy, press tab to bring up the boxes.0
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WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »In Morrowind,you could open up thee menu and change everything.Class,race,etc.
Last time I played Morrowind it wasn't an MMO.RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »MMorpgs that let you switch classes are the worst. I much prefer the character you create have meaning and not just be a template to change your game at a moments notice. Why even bother with having more than 1 character slot if you can just switch classes anytime you want?
Race? Gender? Choices? Weapon? There are multiple reasons to start a new character besides class. I will never start a new character no matter what anyway, so class isn't a motivator. If my character got deleted tomorrow, I'd snap the game in half and rip someone off in EBay. There's literally no reason not to have this feature. If you want your character to have meaning, you don't have to use it. Stop trying to force these views on other people.
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Your person opinion about it aside, there hasn't been a valid reason this should be implemented presented to us.
The reason speaks for itself, it has use. It makes playing the game more convenient.
That is a benefit of the change, not a reason for it.
Beyond the fact that you want it, you haven't given a single reason why such a class change should be permitted.
That's reason enough, there's benefit to the change and it has no negatives.
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✭✭I feel you man. Sadly, there is no restoration druidlike class. So no reroll for me anyway.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0
