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✭✭The whole thread is pointless when you think about it, yes. It is not really about gender whatsoever, it's all attention seeking when you just look at the bigger picture. If somebody cares so much about what gender another gamer is; says an awful lot about that person on a deep, personal level.
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likelolwhat✭✭✭✭QueenCandy wrote: »Psychobunni wrote: »QueenCandy wrote: »WalkingNorth wrote: »QueenCandy wrote: »ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »Not trying to be inflammatory, but is there something specific this comment is supposed to address?
Typical Clueless male response. This is from a moderator no less. Sigh. I'm 48, been gaming for decades. I've encountered other females from the beginning online. I see silly male responses of shock and surprise over women gaming
After trying to decide whether you are serious or trolling....
I'm not Rich Lambert, nor do I play him on TV, but I assume that as the Creative Director of ESO, he is asking OP for clarification regarding the statement "You MIGHT want to pay attention to that, ZOS".
Asking the OP for specifics is hardly clueless - nor are the following posts asking the same thing. And how is calling your fellow posters "typical clueless males" worse than misogyny?
I don't care who he is, his response could have been better.
Exactly how could it have been posed in a nice, prim and proper way? He prefaced it that he wasn't trying to be inflammatory. Reactions such as yours are why we have so much silence.
Whole thread was nonsense.
I don't agree
Please just... stop now. I get that you're on some kind of righteous crusade in your own head, but you're really making it worse for ALL of us.
And yes, if you can make an assumption about what someone you didn't even know said, so can I.
(EDITED to clarify)Edited by likelolwhat on August 29, 2015 6:13AMForever looking for that one avatar that no one else has...
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✭Theres tons of girly MMOs already. Go even once for masculinity.Edited by Sausage on August 29, 2015 7:03AM0 -
likelolwhat✭✭✭✭Theres tons of girly MMOs already. Go even once for masculinity.
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MornaBaine wrote: »ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »Not trying to be inflammatory, but is there something specific this comment is supposed to address?
Are you referring to the OP or to one of the comments? If you are referring to my OP, I posted it because too often it is CLEAR that MMOs (including this one) are still being geared to a young male audience. Look at the Five Companions. Only ONE woman among them and she's a busty blonde. Oh and of course Tharn is always pointing out how dumb she is. Granted, he's disdainful of the rest of them as well but he saves most of his "you're clearly an idiot" schtick for Lyris. In the animated trailers for this game, which look pretty awesome, there is ONE female character. And, ironically, she shows plenty of cleavage and upper thigh..while you make most of the actual armor available in the game stuff a nun would wear and have actually REMOVED some of the PRETTIER light armor.
The issue of character customization, which is huge with all players but I might argue is ESPECIALLY dear to female players as a general (though not ironclad) rule continues to be largely ignored. Ditto player housing. Female players often want a more immersive world, which means there needs to be more to it than JUST killing things (as much fun as that is!) but this, like every other MMO on the market, is almost the sole focus.
You made us an astonishingly gorgeous world...but you don't let us "live" in it yet. There is so little we can interact with aside from mobs. So what I'm saying is that your devs need to start giving some serious thought to what female gamers might like to have instead of just trying to knock off what has traditionally already "sold" and just doing it with better graphics. We womenfolk are demanding. We want more. And we're happy to pay for it when you make us happy.
THAT was my point.
EDIT: And after scanning through some of the comments now...no, there was no question involved. The article was meant as a "heads up" for ZOS. And as a subject for discussion.
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Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »Are you referring to the OP or to one of the comments? If you are referring to my OP, I posted it because too often it is CLEAR that MMOs (including this one) are still being geared to a young male audience. Look at the Five Companions. Only ONE woman among them and she's a busty blonde. Oh and of course Tharn is always pointing out how dumb she is. Granted, he's disdainful of the rest of them as well but he saves most of his "you're clearly an idiot" schtick for Lyris. In the animated trailers for this game, which look pretty awesome, there is ONE female character. And, ironically, she shows plenty of cleavage and upper thigh..while you make most of the actual armor available in the game stuff a nun would wear and have actually REMOVED some of the PRETTIER light armor.
The issue of character customization, which is huge with all players but I might argue is ESPECIALLY dear to female players as a general (though not ironclad) rule continues to be largely ignored. Ditto player housing. Female players often want a more immersive world, which means there needs to be more to it than JUST killing things (as much fun as that is!) but this, like every other MMO on the market, is almost the sole focus.
You made us an astonishingly gorgeous world...but you don't let us "live" in it yet. There is so little we can interact with aside from mobs. So what I'm saying is that your devs need to start giving some serious thought to what female gamers might like to have instead of just trying to knock off what has traditionally already "sold" and just doing it with better graphics. We womenfolk are demanding. We want more. And we're happy to pay for it when you make us happy.
THAT was my point.
EDIT: And after scanning through some of the comments now...no, there was no question involved. The article was meant as a "heads up" for ZOS. And as a subject for discussion.
You're just as bad as a misogynist if you genuinely involve your concerns about gender into a game. You're all as bad as one another, and the sad thing is, you probably don't even realise it yourself.
We? who are all these 'womenfolk' demanding more and offering consumerism? anyway, I kindly suggest you take a good look in yourself, not just 'at' yourself, but in -- try to find out who you really are, your true self.. because it seems your perception is quite narrow, no offence.We womenfolk are demanding. We want more. And we're happy to pay for it when you make us happy.
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✭kevlarto_ESO wrote: »and the women in my guild always seem to be complaining that there is just no sexy clothing or armor in ESO.
This is Elder Scrolls, not some weird, japanese, anime tentacle fetish game like tera.
I don't think they were looking for something that extreme just things they see on npc's already in the game. No worries about the anime don't think they want that either.0 -
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✭QueenCandy wrote: »Psychobunni wrote: »QueenCandy wrote: »WalkingNorth wrote: »QueenCandy wrote: »ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »Not trying to be inflammatory, but is there something specific this comment is supposed to address?
Typical Clueless male response. This is from a moderator no less. Sigh. I'm 48, been gaming for decades. I've encountered other females from the beginning online. I see silly male responses of shock and surprise over women gaming
After trying to decide whether you are serious or trolling....
I'm not Rich Lambert, nor do I play him on TV, but I assume that as the Creative Director of ESO, he is asking OP for clarification regarding the statement "You MIGHT want to pay attention to that, ZOS".
Asking the OP for specifics is hardly clueless - nor are the following posts asking the same thing. And how is calling your fellow posters "typical clueless males" worse than misogyny?
I don't care who he is, his response could have been better.
Exactly how could it have been posed in a nice, prim and proper way? He prefaced it that he wasn't trying to be inflammatory. Reactions such as yours are why we have so much silence.
Whole thread was nonsense.
I don't agree
He prefaced his post the way he did because he was already expecting that whatever he said would be attacked. In this situation he is the dreaded male authority figure. PATRIARCHY!
It didn't matter how he responded, he would be tarred and feathered, and yet he did respond. I applaud him for doing so.
If somehow asking for clarity on an ambiguous post which he had no requirement to reply to somehow makes him a clueless male, well I guess I want to be a clueless male too. After all, clueless male must be the new term for being a responsible person who is attentive to the needs of his customers.
So...what exactly should he have said?
He responded in exactly the way he should have, by asking for a clarification on a post that wasn't spelled out. It had nothing to do with gender it had nothing to do with wanting to oppress/repress anyone. It had everything to do with wanting to understand a potential (non)issue that was being brought up.
If you want to discuss this like an adult, stop making empty assertions and actually address the questions being asked of you. What should he have said? If it is so terrible, surely you have a response other than, "I don't agree."
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Elektrakosh✭✭✭Not all female gamers want to play "house". Yes I'd like a home but my gal is too busy saving the world from a daedric prince to settle down. Some of us want revealing armour that looks great, others want to make sure that we are covered up to prevent arrow related injuries to the patella.
Perhaps the OP wants female concerns to be heard? Me? I don't give a hoot as long as my armour works properly and my class/race does not get the dirty end of the poopy stick.Argonian Painted-By-Elements -Pure Sorceress- Daggerfall Covenant. V1 I hate recipes!
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✭Elektrakosh wrote: »Not all female gamers want to play "house". Yes I'd like a home but my gal is too busy saving the world from a daedric prince to settle down.
Honestly, I'm a dude and I want to play house!
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I think most people would, myself included once I finish the game. I'm more concerned trying to get decent gear as my crafting skills are terrible. Buying stuff is not an option for me.
Honestly, I'm a dude and I want to play house!
I want my own little corner of Tamriel so display my stuff and hang out with friends.
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✭AudioVortex wrote: »It's great to see more female gamers, especially in the ESO community. My guild is co-led by a wonderful miss Lix.
What's difficult is how the majority of male gamers react to suddenly hearing a female voice and turning immediately into disgusting vile creatures. Text chat can be monitored but when it comes to voice chat, ZOS have no way of controlling what people are saying. It's a shame really because the minority ruin it for the majority. Even with Lix, as thick as her skin is, the stuff they say is still incredibly hurtful and in other cases will prevent many female gamers wanting to play.
Although saying all this I am agreeing with @ZOS_RichLambert. I'm not quite sure on your point on this one. (I just like talking).
Great article btw.
Ignorance and habit and peer esteem.
You need to educate your male peers when they cross the line.
You might be surprised how many of the men will actually back you up when they realise you haven't just taken it with a pinch of salt and are rather upset.
They don't know you have been upset otherwise.
For boys and some men its the norm to dis each other and rib each other and generally be insulting.
We expect to give as good as we get.
Alas that is something that doesnt really cross the sexual divide too well.
All the women online....please don't be afraid or reluctant to speak up.
Men need to know the limits of what is acceptable and what is crossing the line and cant do that if you dont point out where the line is drawn.
Especially for the youngsters that are still feeling their way around.
We have an exceptionally well rounded and diverse community in the game.
Lets all keep it that way.
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As a matter of fact, he got a whole bunch of Agrees and Awesomes from both men and women. No tar and feathers until several pages later we attracted the attention of a combative misandrist.QueenCandy wrote: »Psychobunni wrote: »QueenCandy wrote: »WalkingNorth wrote: »QueenCandy wrote: »ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »Not trying to be inflammatory, but is there something specific this comment is supposed to address?
Typical Clueless male response. This is from a moderator no less. Sigh. I'm 48, been gaming for decades. I've encountered other females from the beginning online. I see silly male responses of shock and surprise over women gaming
After trying to decide whether you are serious or trolling....
I'm not Rich Lambert, nor do I play him on TV, but I assume that as the Creative Director of ESO, he is asking OP for clarification regarding the statement "You MIGHT want to pay attention to that, ZOS".
Asking the OP for specifics is hardly clueless - nor are the following posts asking the same thing. And how is calling your fellow posters "typical clueless males" worse than misogyny?
I don't care who he is, his response could have been better.
Exactly how could it have been posed in a nice, prim and proper way? He prefaced it that he wasn't trying to be inflammatory. Reactions such as yours are why we have so much silence.
Whole thread was nonsense.
I don't agree
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✭✭✭✭✭QueenCandy wrote: »I don't agree
I just hope Rich Lambert and all readers of this thread are bright enough to not generalize and not consider all of us women to be as trolly, provocative and brainless as you and OP are.
Also I hope they don't consider women gamers and women ESO players as people who are just looking for Barbie-play with dresses and accessoires and housing and decorating and shopping and money-wasting in the game.
Really, women's best enemies are not men, it's SOME women.
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✭likelolwhat wrote: »
Its our turn honestly. Just like blood and gore. Theres literally tons of MMOs with some female armor design already, its probably market gimmick but way too much. This genre is already over-girly, imho. There isnt even muscular body type, its just same old flat. Its Zen choice but if you look at this genre theres already tons of MMOs for chicks.Edited by Sausage on August 29, 2015 11:01AM0 -
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✭✭✭kevlarto_ESO wrote: »There is always women in our group in pvp, in fact our guild leader is a woman and a good leader, and the women in my guild always seem to be complaining that there is just no sexy clothing or armor in ESO.
I'm a woman in your guild who will join you in voice chat sometimes for PvP and I have NEVER complained about a lack of sexy clothing or armor. When a game forces me to wear sexy armor with female characters I don't play that game with female characters. I never want to see a set of armor look protective on a male and that same set look sexy on a female. Never.
If a game is going to provide any sexy outfits it damn well better have some that shows off the assets of both genders
^ THIS. ^
I'm a woman who plays mostly male characters and only occasionally the odd female. Therefore, I want 'sexy' for both, not just the women.
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✭Ive thought this over and I think they should tweak their character builder, I bet they can make way more money with muscles and masculinity than some female stuff now. Male body has a lot more muscles than biceps or leg muscles.Edited by Sausage on August 29, 2015 11:48AM0 -
BabeestorGor✭✭✭✭likelolwhat wrote: »
Its our turn honestly. Just like blood and gore. Theres literally tons of MMOs with some female armor design already, its probably market gimmick but way too much. This genre is already over-girly, imho. There isnt even muscular body type, its just same old flat. Its Zen choice but if you look at this genre theres already tons of MMOs for chicks.
Sorry but no.
Whats a mmo for chicks? I suspect I wouldn't like it.
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✭BabeestorGor wrote: »likelolwhat wrote: »
Its our turn honestly. Just like blood and gore. Theres literally tons of MMOs with some female armor design already, its probably market gimmick but way too much. This genre is already over-girly, imho. There isnt even muscular body type, its just same old flat. Its Zen choice but if you look at this genre theres already tons of MMOs for chicks.
Sorry but no.
Whats a mmo for chicks? I suspect I wouldn't like it.
Are you trolling. Plenty from Asia?
Dyes, flat body type, female armors are making this genre way too feminine. Not to mention one billion Asian F2P game what are trying to market with sexy armors.Edited by Sausage on August 29, 2015 12:09PM0 -
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You realize that revealing armors are aimed at the young straight male demographic, right?BabeestorGor wrote: »likelolwhat wrote: »
Its our turn honestly. Just like blood and gore. Theres literally tons of MMOs with some female armor design already, its probably market gimmick but way too much. This genre is already over-girly, imho. There isnt even muscular body type, its just same old flat. Its Zen choice but if you look at this genre theres already tons of MMOs for chicks.
Sorry but no.
Whats a mmo for chicks? I suspect I wouldn't like it.
Are you trolling. Plenty from Asia?
Dyes, flat body type, female armors are making this genre way too feminine. Not to mention one billion Asian F2P game what are trying to market with sexy armors.
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✭I wonder how you find out which gender your guildmembers are, do you ask them and keep notes of it?
I got like 80 members in my guild, and I don't even know what half of them are IRL.
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ObsidianMichi✭✭✭I'm sorry... what was said about Lyris? The woman with an atypical bodytype, who is taller and stronger than all the men around her, and of all my female characters only my Altmer can even stand anywhere close to her height. She makes Tharn look puny. She's tough. She's capable. She's been made lonely because she felt like a freak and was made to feel like one. She's even got a few battlescars. And she can hold her own with Tharn in a snark contest. She's obviously not the most intelligent team member in the room, but she answers Tharn's put downs barb for barb.
"The gods gave you a nose for a reason, Tharn, so you could still breathe with your mouth shut."
"Well played, Titanborn. Well played."
We're labeling her a "big, busty blonde" now? She's meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator among young male gamers? I don't think so. You can't even flirt with her. She's a fairly well-rounded character, if a little sterotypical, and her "will they or won't they" romance with Sai Sahan is very sweet. Especially since he's so much shorter than she is and doesn't mind at all. Naryu is far closer to what I'd expect when it comes to a character written for appeal, and she's really not that bad. Gabrielle Benele (much as I love her dearly) is the same way. Lyris? HA!
Do you know how rare it is to see a video game that even acknowledges that women can be tall? Much less taller than men. Much less have another male character be attracted to her without being emasculated or letting her prowess emasculate him in the process? No? Because it's not common. It's like trying to find a game with LGBT characters where their orientation isn't the central aspect of their plot or purpose in the story.
Lyris may not be to everyone's tastes, but she's hardly fodder for bottom feeders.
I think this game does very well on a variety of fronts. There are plenty of female commanders, leaders, and women in leadership positions. There are a great many heroic women, sniveling women, villainous women, and a great wife for every hysteric one. There are plenty of female characters in the game that I wouldn't want to be friends with, but I don't see that as a strike against my gender. Rather, it's refreshing to see some reflection of reality. There are a few hiccups here and there, but (zone chat aside) I've actually found the game itself to be one of the most female and diversity friendly MMOs on the market.
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You realize that revealing armors are aimed at the young straight male demographic, right?BabeestorGor wrote: »likelolwhat wrote: »
Its our turn honestly. Just like blood and gore. Theres literally tons of MMOs with some female armor design already, its probably market gimmick but way too much. This genre is already over-girly, imho. There isnt even muscular body type, its just same old flat. Its Zen choice but if you look at this genre theres already tons of MMOs for chicks.
Sorry but no.
Whats a mmo for chicks? I suspect I wouldn't like it.
Are you trolling. Plenty from Asia?
Dyes, flat body type, female armors are making this genre way too feminine. Not to mention one billion Asian F2P game what are trying to market with sexy armors.
Or no? Ive been around for good 15+ years in MMO genre and girls always keep asking (whined..) things for them, and the gerne has answered, its becoming too much already. That brings up my point, its our time now.
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LiquidZ✭✭✭Well there are women that play games and there are loot skankzEdited by LiquidZ on August 29, 2015 1:19PM0
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FilthyMudcrabs✭✭✭Xodarap777 wrote: »It's so disappointing to see an OP rant about sexism in such a blatantly sexist way.
Someone get this man a trophy. OP does not speak for all women.
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BabeestorGor✭✭✭✭BabeestorGor wrote: »likelolwhat wrote: »
Its our turn honestly. Just like blood and gore. Theres literally tons of MMOs with some female armor design already, its probably market gimmick but way too much. This genre is already over-girly, imho. There isnt even muscular body type, its just same old flat. Its Zen choice but if you look at this genre theres already tons of MMOs for chicks.
Sorry but no.
Whats a mmo for chicks? I suspect I wouldn't like it.
Are you trolling. Plenty from Asia?
Dyes, flat body type, female armors are making this genre way too feminine. Not to mention one billion Asian F2P game what are trying to market with sexy armors.
AsRosveen said thats not a mmo for women, its for teenage boys.
Please stop trying to tell me what I've been asking for. You're wrong. Not all women want the same things.
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