Status on several abilities dealing full damage through mist form ??

frozywozy · August 2015

- Bitting jabs
- Radiant Destruction
- Ambush
- etc

Could we get a status if this is getting investigated @ZOS_BrianWheeler ?

Thank you.

Crown · August 2015

Concealed weapon too.

Not fixed on PTS yet.

manny254 · August 2015

Biting jabs does not deal full damage through mist form. What happens is it receives a 140% bonus damage to single target. How it calculates on live results in the 140%- 75% from mist form. This is why biting jabs can cut through blinxy's creative use of damage mitigation.

This is why it dealt too much damage on pts through battle spirit. On pts it dealt something like 50% more damage then it should of. On live I think it deals 10% more if memory serves. Supposedly they have fixed all these issues already on the latest pts patch.

Igglez · August 2015

Also talons ignores "While active, you are also invulnerable to control effects and healing magic."

frozywozy · August 2015

manny254 wrote: »

Biting jabs does not deal full damage through mist form. What happens is it receives a 140% bonus damage to single target. How it calculates on live results in the 140%- 75% from mist form. This is why biting jabs can cut through blinxy's creative use of damage mitigation.

This is why it dealt too much damage on pts through battle spirit. On pts it dealt something like 50% more damage then it should of. On live I think it deals 10% more if memory serves. Supposedly they have fixed all these issues already on the latest pts patch.

I get hit on a regular basis by the indian AD guy for 10-12k bitting jabs through mist form. call it what you want, this is not working as intended! ;-)

manny254 · August 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Biting jabs does not deal full damage through mist form. What happens is it receives a 140% bonus damage to single target. How it calculates on live results in the 140%- 75% from mist form. This is why biting jabs can cut through blinxy's creative use of damage mitigation.

This is why it dealt too much damage on pts through battle spirit. On pts it dealt something like 50% more damage then it should of. On live I think it deals 10% more if memory serves. Supposedly they have fixed all these issues already on the latest pts patch.

I get hit on a regular basis by the indian AD guy for 10-12k bitting jabs through mist form. call it what you want, this is not working as intended! ;-)

Just letting you know the status. BTW if it was full damage with 4 crits it could hit for 19.2k

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frozywozy · August 2015

manny254 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Biting jabs does not deal full damage through mist form. What happens is it receives a 140% bonus damage to single target. How it calculates on live results in the 140%- 75% from mist form. This is why biting jabs can cut through blinxy's creative use of damage mitigation.

This is why it dealt too much damage on pts through battle spirit. On pts it dealt something like 50% more damage then it should of. On live I think it deals 10% more if memory serves. Supposedly they have fixed all these issues already on the latest pts patch.

I get hit on a regular basis by the indian AD guy for 10-12k bitting jabs through mist form. call it what you want, this is not working as intended! ;-)

Just letting you know the status. BTW if it was full damage with 4 crits it could hit for 19.2k .

How can you state such numbers without knowing my physical resistances ? Btw I get hit the same number with or without mist form. It doesn't change anything.

manny254 · August 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Biting jabs does not deal full damage through mist form. What happens is it receives a 140% bonus damage to single target. How it calculates on live results in the 140%- 75% from mist form. This is why biting jabs can cut through blinxy's creative use of damage mitigation.

This is why it dealt too much damage on pts through battle spirit. On pts it dealt something like 50% more damage then it should of. On live I think it deals 10% more if memory serves. Supposedly they have fixed all these issues already on the latest pts patch.

I get hit on a regular basis by the indian AD guy for 10-12k bitting jabs through mist form. call it what you want, this is not working as intended! ;-)

Just letting you know the status. BTW if it was full damage with 4 crits it could hit for 19.2k .

How can you state such numbers without knowing my physical resistances ? Btw I get hit the same number with or without mist form. It doesn't change anything.

I said what it could hit for. On the highest end mine would crit for 4.8k on players then 5.1k if off balance. The total damage of the channel could have also gotten one hit in at the end or start of the mist form.

Hektik_V · August 2015

Igglez wrote: »

Also talons ignores "While active, you are also invulnerable to control effects and healing magic."

Talons are supposed to work on mist forming targets as they are a root and not a control effect.

Emma_Overload · August 2015

There are tons of knockdowns and other CCs that make it through Mist Form. It's getting really tiresome!

hammayolettuce · August 2015

Asgari and Winnie worked together to test Radiant Destruction and it was found in his thread that Mist Form was bugged and not fully mitigating as much as it should. This is also the case for other skills but you can see this video for reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w9Z0lJuCPo

frozywozy · August 2015

Status pls! Is it getting investigated or not ? @ZOS_GinaBruno.

Thank you very much!

Darlgon · August 2015

This is funny, because its the exact opposite of this thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2191567#Comment_2191567

Mr_Koh wrote: »

Mist form is currently granting invincibility instead of a 75% mitigation. Maybe it's stacking with another mitigation I'm not sure what the root of the problem is.

@ZOS_RichLambert Maybe they are related?

CN_Daniel · August 2015

Being ignored as expected! bahahaha

Rylana · August 2015

Some of these stamplars, especially the last of a certain tribe.... hit like trucks, but have people forgotten how to step through them to avoid most of the damage? O_o

I mean yeah but its kinda a basic templar counter strat, walk through them. Those that rely on mistform/bolt/LOS kiting are just going to get chased and burned down.

frozywozy · August 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

This is funny, because its the exact opposite of this thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2191567#Comment_2191567

Mr_Koh wrote: »

Mist form is currently granting invincibility instead of a 75% mitigation. Maybe it's stacking with another mitigation I'm not sure what the root of the problem is.

@ZOS_RichLambert Maybe they are related?

It is not the other way around. It might be possible that there is a way to get permanent invincibility with mist form. I'm not aware of it and I'm not interested to be aswell. Hope they find a way to fix it.

In the meantime, several abilities deal full damage through mist form and since mist form is the only chance I have to mitigate damage as a melee magicka DK, I would like to know if it is being investigated or not.

Tyvm

Mr_Nobody · August 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

This is funny, because its the exact opposite of this thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2191567#Comment_2191567

Mr_Koh wrote: »

Mist form is currently granting invincibility instead of a 75% mitigation. Maybe it's stacking with another mitigation I'm not sure what the root of the problem is.

@ZOS_RichLambert Maybe they are related?

It is not the other way around. It might be possible that there is a way to get permanent invincibility with mist form. I'm not aware of it and I'm not interested to be aswell. Hope they find a way to fix it.

In the meantime, several abilities deal full damage through mist form and since mist form is the only chance I have to mitigate damage as a melee magicka DK, I would like to know if it is being investigated or not.

Tyvm

They are not dealing full damage. More like, not even close/or close to full depending on the %s listed above 100 which then count after 75%.

frozywozy · August 2015

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

This is funny, because its the exact opposite of this thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2191567#Comment_2191567

Mr_Koh wrote: »

Mist form is currently granting invincibility instead of a 75% mitigation. Maybe it's stacking with another mitigation I'm not sure what the root of the problem is.

@ZOS_RichLambert Maybe they are related?

It is not the other way around. It might be possible that there is a way to get permanent invincibility with mist form. I'm not aware of it and I'm not interested to be aswell. Hope they find a way to fix it.

In the meantime, several abilities deal full damage through mist form and since mist form is the only chance I have to mitigate damage as a melee magicka DK, I would like to know if it is being investigated or not.

Tyvm

They are not dealing full damage. More like, not even close/or close to full depending on the %s listed above 100 which then count after 75%.

No. They deal full damage. I have tested it several times and if you don't believe it, watch the video in this thread and if you still don't believe it, I have plenty of screenshots showing 12-14k bitting jabs or 25-30k radiant destruction.

kevlarto_ESO · August 2015

Wonder if it is the same skills that are going though block and any other forms of defense , seems to be a lot of them these days.

Mr_Nobody · August 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

This is funny, because its the exact opposite of this thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2191567#Comment_2191567

Mr_Koh wrote: »

Mist form is currently granting invincibility instead of a 75% mitigation. Maybe it's stacking with another mitigation I'm not sure what the root of the problem is.

@ZOS_RichLambert Maybe they are related?

It is not the other way around. It might be possible that there is a way to get permanent invincibility with mist form. I'm not aware of it and I'm not interested to be aswell. Hope they find a way to fix it.

In the meantime, several abilities deal full damage through mist form and since mist form is the only chance I have to mitigate damage as a melee magicka DK, I would like to know if it is being investigated or not.

Tyvm

They are not dealing full damage. More like, not even close/or close to full depending on the %s listed above 100 which then count after 75%.

No. They deal full damage. I have tested it several times and if you don't believe it, watch the video in this thread and if you still don't believe it, I have plenty of screenshots showing 12-14k bitting jabs or 25-30k radiant destruction.

Im not sure if you are blind or really ignorant to both what I said and the above video. The person in mist form CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY takes reduced damage from both jabs and radiant destruction. Read 10 times what i wrote before, then watch the above video 25 times and think again.

frozywozy · August 2015

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

This is funny, because its the exact opposite of this thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2191567#Comment_2191567

Mr_Koh wrote: »

Mist form is currently granting invincibility instead of a 75% mitigation. Maybe it's stacking with another mitigation I'm not sure what the root of the problem is.

@ZOS_RichLambert Maybe they are related?

It is not the other way around. It might be possible that there is a way to get permanent invincibility with mist form. I'm not aware of it and I'm not interested to be aswell. Hope they find a way to fix it.

In the meantime, several abilities deal full damage through mist form and since mist form is the only chance I have to mitigate damage as a melee magicka DK, I would like to know if it is being investigated or not.

Tyvm

They are not dealing full damage. More like, not even close/or close to full depending on the %s listed above 100 which then count after 75%.

No. They deal full damage. I have tested it several times and if you don't believe it, watch the video in this thread and if you still don't believe it, I have plenty of screenshots showing 12-14k bitting jabs or 25-30k radiant destruction.

Im not sure if you are blind or really ignorant to both what I said and the above video. The person in mist form CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY takes reduced damage from both jabs and radiant destruction. Read 10 times what i wrote before, then watch the above video 25 times and think again.

I have read what you have said and your point regarding for example bitting jabs that can be increased to 140% dmg and then the 75% reduction is applied to that 140%. It still doesn't change the fact that from my testing, from the video and from the screenshots, radiant destruction deal full damage including the 300% in execution range, bitting jabs from the same person hit me 12-14k with or without mist form.

So far I have been respectful toward you but if you keep talking to me with that arrogant manner, I'm just going to ignore you.

Mr_Nobody · August 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

This is funny, because its the exact opposite of this thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2191567#Comment_2191567

Mr_Koh wrote: »

Mist form is currently granting invincibility instead of a 75% mitigation. Maybe it's stacking with another mitigation I'm not sure what the root of the problem is.

@ZOS_RichLambert Maybe they are related?

It is not the other way around. It might be possible that there is a way to get permanent invincibility with mist form. I'm not aware of it and I'm not interested to be aswell. Hope they find a way to fix it.

In the meantime, several abilities deal full damage through mist form and since mist form is the only chance I have to mitigate damage as a melee magicka DK, I would like to know if it is being investigated or not.

Tyvm

They are not dealing full damage. More like, not even close/or close to full depending on the %s listed above 100 which then count after 75%.

No. They deal full damage. I have tested it several times and if you don't believe it, watch the video in this thread and if you still don't believe it, I have plenty of screenshots showing 12-14k bitting jabs or 25-30k radiant destruction.

Im not sure if you are blind or really ignorant to both what I said and the above video. The person in mist form CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY takes reduced damage from both jabs and radiant destruction. Read 10 times what i wrote before, then watch the above video 25 times and think again.

I have read what you have said and your point regarding for example bitting jabs that can be increased to 140% dmg and then the 75% reduction is applied to that 140%. It still doesn't change the fact that from my testing, from the video and from the screenshots, radiant destruction deal full damage including the 300% in execution range, bitting jabs from the same person hit me 12-14k with or without mist form.

So far I have been respectful toward you but if you keep talking to me with that arrogant manner, I'm just going to ignore you.

You clearly dont want to see what you did wrong there. Look at the video, both with armor and without armor and then during mist form. What do you notice? Since, apparently, it is too hard for you i will explain step by step:

~ Templar casting RD clearly has low spell power / magicka, which is a good example ~

1) With armor from 100% hp it took him exactly 4 channels of RD to kill the person, of which i would say, 2.8 channels were cast till roughly 50%, meaning the person got executed from 50 percent from almost 1 channel of RD. *write this down*
2) It took him 3 full channels to kill a person who was mist forming, yet all of these started while the person receiving it was roughly a little below 50% = EXECUTE RANGE FOR RD. *write this down also*
3) Compare what you wrote down.
4) Now have in mind that RD deals up to 330% more damage while in execute range.
5) Does it make any sense now?
6) On top of that, the testing was a complete failure due to person mist forming after 2 ticks have already hit the target. 1 one is always invisible, 2nd one hits right away and on the 3rd tick the person mist formed. Which means what? He received a lot of unmitigated damage while he was "trying" to mistform.

Do i need to say more or I should explain this as if I explained to a person who has never played this game?

frozywozy · August 2015

So in other words, instead of prouving that bitting jabs or radiant destruction is mitigated by 75% through mist form, you simply explain that the video is not relevant, that people did a terrible job recording and prouving their point, and that I probably never played this game.

Fair enough, ignored.

Mr_Nobody · August 2015

Lol, pointless to argue or prove anything to someone who is so ignorant... while wrong. I completely explained through steps 1 to 4 that jabs and RD are being mitigated by mistform, though their calculations are different due to jabs dealing 40% (flat) additional damage to one target. As an addition, pointed out that the testing was not done properly, even though it was done so - you can still notice huge mitigation the target has received.

~ I do prove the point(s), you don't.

Good luck!