Why is the elemental proc chance of destruction staff abilities still so low ?!

Dracane · August 2015

"Standardized the chance an ability has to apply a secondary effect, such as burning, chilled, or concussed. These chances are:
Weapon enchants 20%
Standard ability 10%
Area of effect abilities 5%
Damage over time abilities 3%
Area of effect damage over time abilities 1% "

This is the change that was made with this update. Force Shock an it's morphs don't seem to follow these rules.
Force Shock is a standard ability and still it doesn't have a 10% chance to proc elemental effects.

I hit this enemy with 63 force shocks, so 189 total hits, because force shock is split into 3 projectiles but my damage meter counts it as a single hit.
One force shock should have a chance of 30% to apply at least 1 elemental effect. Even IF it was changed to have only 1 chance per cast, it should still be a 10% chance, which is also not true. This is a problem for all force shock morphs, but especially for Force pulse which already is the underdog, because Crushing shock is so much better. Force pulse allowed us to use an interesting combo, by attacking one target with force pulse to proc elemental effects and the target next to it, to trigger the pulse. If this is a bug, please fix it or give force pulse something to make it worth using.

The following pictures shows it:

Only 3 elemental procs in 189 hits. The meters says '6 burning effects' because a fire effect hits a few times as it is a DoT and my damage meter doesn't distinguish between them. Please do something, I'm going to run away .

haha

Maulkin · August 2015

Let's be honest. With all the nerfs to Impulse and Wall of Elements, the changes to Destructive Reach/Clench, the changes to the proc rates of secondary effects.... Destro Staff is just a crap crap weapon now.

The ONLY redeeming feature is that it gives magicka builds ranged light attacks so you can weave them for extra damage and faster ultimate generation. That's it.

Ishammael · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Let's be honest. With all the nerfs to Impulse and Wall of Elements, the changes to Destructive Reach/Clench, the changes to the proc rates of secondary effects.... Destro Staff is just a crap crap weapon now.

The ONLY redeeming feature if that it gives magicka builds ranged light attacks so you can weave attacks and generate ultimate faster. That's it.

This is true. Magicka dps should be 2H or DW now. Especially DKs and templars.

Maulkin · August 2015

Ishammael wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Let's be honest. With all the nerfs to Impulse and Wall of Elements, the changes to Destructive Reach/Clench, the changes to the proc rates of secondary effects.... Destro Staff is just a crap crap weapon now.

The ONLY redeeming feature if that it gives magicka builds ranged light attacks so you can weave attacks and generate ultimate faster. That's it.

This is true. Magicka dps should be 2H or DW now. Especially DKs and templars.

Correct and if you think about it about it, is completely and utterly stupid.

I have not seen another game ever I think, where magic builds have to slot melee physical weapons to get increased damage with their spells. It's a ZOS innovation

Derra · August 2015

Must be nice to be a class with access to a class based anytime spammable magica attack #firstworldsorcproblems

Yakidafi · August 2015

If you use molag kena ranged is the way to go and for magicka that is destro staff. Unless they can change it or keep the proc. I will change from dw to staff with 1.7

OT the proc chances of some stuff is really crap, like these.

Dracane · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Let's be honest. With all the nerfs to Impulse and Wall of Elements, the changes to Destructive Reach/Clench, the changes to the proc rates of secondary effects.... Destro Staff is just a crap crap weapon now.

The ONLY redeeming feature is that it gives magicka builds ranged light attacks so you can weave them for extra damage and faster ultimate generation. That's it.

Agreed

Derra wrote: »

Must be nice to be a class with access to a class based anytime spammable magica attack #firstworldsorcproblems

And agreed twice

Ishammael · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Let's be honest. With all the nerfs to Impulse and Wall of Elements, the changes to Destructive Reach/Clench, the changes to the proc rates of secondary effects.... Destro Staff is just a crap crap weapon now.

The ONLY redeeming feature if that it gives magicka builds ranged light attacks so you can weave attacks and generate ultimate faster. That's it.

This is true. Magicka dps should be 2H or DW now. Especially DKs and templars.

Correct and if you think about it about it, is completely and utterly stupid.

I have not seen another game ever I think, where magic builds have to slot melee physical weapons to get increased damage with their spells. It's a ZOS innovation

Agreed.

One thing that I did notice: The unbuffed damage difference between 1h/sh vs 2H vs DW is small because 1h/sh gets the extra stat boost from the shield (in addition to the extra set bonus). The difference gets larger only when Entropy is calculated in and because 2H and DW passives are (strangely) increasing your base spell/weapon damage. Also, there was a really nice thread about "Sorcerer Arthimagic" which computed the break-point between 2H and DW damage which people should pay attention to.

kaithuzar · August 2015

Ishammael wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Let's be honest. With all the nerfs to Impulse and Wall of Elements, the changes to Destructive Reach/Clench, the changes to the proc rates of secondary effects.... Destro Staff is just a crap crap weapon now.

The ONLY redeeming feature if that it gives magicka builds ranged light attacks so you can weave attacks and generate ultimate faster. That's it.

This is true. Magicka dps should be 2H or DW now. Especially DKs and templars.

Correct and if you think about it about it, is completely and utterly stupid.

I have not seen another game ever I think, where magic builds have to slot melee physical weapons to get increased damage with their spells. It's a ZOS innovation

Agreed.

One thing that I did notice: The unbuffed damage difference between 1h/sh vs 2H vs DW is small because 1h/sh gets the extra stat boost from the shield (in addition to the extra set bonus). The difference gets larger only when Entropy is calculated in and because 2H and DW passives are (strangely) increasing your base spell/weapon damage. Also, there was a really nice thread about "Sorcerer Arthimagic" which computed the break-point between 2H and DW damage which people should pay attention to.

Any chance you could link that post?

RoyJade · August 2015

I didn't know which post is it, but the thread is here : http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/209938/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/p1

Ishammael · August 2015

RoyJade wrote: »

I didn't know which post is it, but the thread is here : http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/209938/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/p1

This is it. See the plot in post #13.

Emma_Overload · August 2015

I guess this explains why Concussion never procs anymore :'(

Joy_Division · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Let's be honest. With all the nerfs to Impulse and Wall of Elements, the changes to Destructive Reach/Clench, the changes to the proc rates of secondary effects.... Destro Staff is just a crap crap weapon now.

The ONLY redeeming feature is that it gives magicka builds ranged light attacks so you can weave them for extra damage and faster ultimate generation. That's it.

As soon as the patch notes hit, it was obvious destruction staffs were bad and I told them so. It seems that with every passing day, more tests and observations are being done that make it even worse.

The only useful skill on is is elemental drain and all of its passives are worthless because they are either tied to uncompetitive heavy attacks or require the use of the suboptimal skills.

Dracane · August 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Let's be honest. With all the nerfs to Impulse and Wall of Elements, the changes to Destructive Reach/Clench, the changes to the proc rates of secondary effects.... Destro Staff is just a crap crap weapon now.

The ONLY redeeming feature is that it gives magicka builds ranged light attacks so you can weave them for extra damage and faster ultimate generation. That's it.

As soon as the patch notes hit, it was obvious destruction staffs were bad and I told them so. It seems that with every passing day, more tests and observations are being done that make it even worse.

The only useful skill on is is elemental drain and all of its passives are worthless because they are either tied to uncompetitive heavy attacks or require the use of the suboptimal skills.

I'm feeling the same way. Weakness of elements is the last remaining usefull ability here and only good for Elemental Drain Bots in trials or Arena. Why does this weapon even carry the name 'Destruction' staff ? It destroys nothing

Anhedonie · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Let's be honest. With all the nerfs to Impulse and Wall of Elements, the changes to Destructive Reach/Clench, the changes to the proc rates of secondary effects.... Destro Staff is just a crap crap weapon now.

The ONLY redeeming feature is that it gives magicka builds ranged light attacks so you can weave them for extra damage and faster ultimate generation. That's it.

As soon as the patch notes hit, it was obvious destruction staffs were bad and I told them so. It seems that with every passing day, more tests and observations are being done that make it even worse.

The only useful skill on is is elemental drain and all of its passives are worthless because they are either tied to uncompetitive heavy attacks or require the use of the suboptimal skills.

I'm feeling the same way. Weakness of elements is the last remaining usefull ability here and only good for Elemental Drain Bots in trials or Arena. Why does this weapon even carry the name 'Destruction' staff ? It destroys nothing

It displays destructive power of ZOS's devs.

Dracane · August 2015

Anhedonie wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Let's be honest. With all the nerfs to Impulse and Wall of Elements, the changes to Destructive Reach/Clench, the changes to the proc rates of secondary effects.... Destro Staff is just a crap crap weapon now.

The ONLY redeeming feature is that it gives magicka builds ranged light attacks so you can weave them for extra damage and faster ultimate generation. That's it.

As soon as the patch notes hit, it was obvious destruction staffs were bad and I told them so. It seems that with every passing day, more tests and observations are being done that make it even worse.

The only useful skill on is is elemental drain and all of its passives are worthless because they are either tied to uncompetitive heavy attacks or require the use of the suboptimal skills.

I'm feeling the same way. Weakness of elements is the last remaining usefull ability here and only good for Elemental Drain Bots in trials or Arena. Why does this weapon even carry the name 'Destruction' staff ? It destroys nothing

Dracane wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Let's be honest. With all the nerfs to Impulse and Wall of Elements, the changes to Destructive Reach/Clench, the changes to the proc rates of secondary effects.... Destro Staff is just a crap crap weapon now.

The ONLY redeeming feature is that it gives magicka builds ranged light attacks so you can weave them for extra damage and faster ultimate generation. That's it.

As soon as the patch notes hit, it was obvious destruction staffs were bad and I told them so. It seems that with every passing day, more tests and observations are being done that make it even worse.

The only useful skill on is is elemental drain and all of its passives are worthless because they are either tied to uncompetitive heavy attacks or require the use of the suboptimal skills.

I'm feeling the same way. Weakness of elements is the last remaining usefull ability here and only good for Elemental Drain Bots in trials or Arena. Why does this weapon even carry the name 'Destruction' staff ? It destroys nothing

It displays destructive power of ZOS's devs.