Molag Kena procs on ranged weaving

glavius · August 2015

Tested with lightning staff light attack/force shock weaving, lightning staff light attack/shadow silk weaving and bow light attack and poison arrow weaving.
Is this intended?

Does not proc on melee weaving.

Xeven · August 2015

Thats cool if intended. TBH the cost increase is extremely prohibitive for PVP. That is a PVE set.

EDIT:
I really don't understand the logic. "Lets make a godly piece of gear, then sh*t on it with an unreasonable debuff." ... "Yeah bro, lets do that, yeah."

If it's too strong, dial it back, don't sh*t on it FFS. Nobody likes these kinds of gear choices. It's not fun or original. I thought MMOs learned to stop making gear like this a decade ago.

Derra · August 2015

I think the set is great even for pvp tbh ._.

Alcast · August 2015

There are many abilities that Molag Kena can be weaved with. Tooltip gg

Ahzek · August 2015

I'm not sure if its PTS lag or the fact that uppercut has a cast/travel time of its own, or something completely different, but weaving that one with light attacks will also procc Molag reliably.

Edit: @Xeven The set is actually quite well designed in my opinion. It provides a way to gain a quite strong effectiveness boost (damage and healing) for a short period of time that is kept in check by a increase in resource cost ( really what build atm actually needs to worry about resources ?) and a set, actively controlled activation mechanism that allows everyone to decide when to activate the benefit, while allowing counterplay at the same time ( dodge the light attacks or avoid the player while overlaod is active to waste his resources) .

With this set ZOS has bascially provided a means for PvPers to work around the damage nerf in PvP, by providing a tool that gives the ability to creat high damage situations (at a cost) that demands to be activated first. This way the immensely short TTK from getting ganked/attacked unaware gets increased, but players still have tools to push for taking down their opponents.

Xeven · August 2015

Xeven wrote: »

Thats cool if intended. TBH the cost increase is extremely prohibitive for PVP. That is a PVE set.

Xeven wrote: »

Thats cool if intended. TBH the cost increase is extremely prohibitive for PVP. That is a PVE set.

EDIT:
I really don't understand the logic. "Lets make a godly piece of gear, then sh*t on it with an unreasonable debuff." ... "Yeah bro, lets do that, yeah."

Ahzek wrote: »

I'm not sure if its PTS lag or the fact that uppercut has a cast/travel time of its own, or something completely different, but weaving that one with light attacks will also procc Molag reliably.

Edit: @Xeven The set is actually quite well designed in my opinion. It provides a way to gain a quite strong effectiveness boost (damage and healing) for a short period of time that is kept in check by a increase in resource cost ( really what build atm actually needs to worry about resources ?) and a set, actively controlled activation mechanism that allows everyone to decide when to activate the benefit, while allowing counterplay at the same time ( dodge the light attacks or avoid the player while overlaod is active to waste his resources) .

With this set ZOS has bascially provided a means for PvPers to work around the damage nerf in PvP, by providing a tool that gives the ability to creat high damage situations (at a cost) that demands to be activated first. This way the immensely short TTK from getting ganked/attacked unaware gets increased, but players still have tools to push for taking down their opponents.

I will agree that this is a good gank/pve set. I feel like a 1/3 increase to ALL ability cost in 1.7 will be a problem. If you can sustain it, sure, go for it, but the damage you traded for sustain probably cancels out whatever you've gained from it.

Ezareth · August 2015

Xeven wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Thats cool if intended. TBH the cost increase is extremely prohibitive for PVP. That is a PVE set.

Xeven wrote: »

Thats cool if intended. TBH the cost increase is extremely prohibitive for PVP. That is a PVE set.

EDIT:
I really don't understand the logic. "Lets make a godly piece of gear, then sh*t on it with an unreasonable debuff." ... "Yeah bro, lets do that, yeah."

Ahzek wrote: »

I'm not sure if its PTS lag or the fact that uppercut has a cast/travel time of its own, or something completely different, but weaving that one with light attacks will also procc Molag reliably.

Edit: @Xeven The set is actually quite well designed in my opinion. It provides a way to gain a quite strong effectiveness boost (damage and healing) for a short period of time that is kept in check by a increase in resource cost ( really what build atm actually needs to worry about resources ?) and a set, actively controlled activation mechanism that allows everyone to decide when to activate the benefit, while allowing counterplay at the same time ( dodge the light attacks or avoid the player while overlaod is active to waste his resources) .

With this set ZOS has bascially provided a means for PvPers to work around the damage nerf in PvP, by providing a tool that gives the ability to creat high damage situations (at a cost) that demands to be activated first. This way the immensely short TTK from getting ganked/attacked unaware gets increased, but players still have tools to push for taking down their opponents.

I will agree that this is a good gank/pve set. I feel like a 1/3 increase to ALL ability cost in 1.7 will be a problem. If you can sustain it, sure, go for it, but the damage you traded for sustain probably cancels out whatever you've gained from it.

If it is using the same percentage formula of other cost reductions it wont turn out to be a 33% increase in actual cost, it will be far less. I'll have to test this out because from what I can see it is amazing. Damage abilities right now are ridiculously cheap. I can see this being more problematic if you're forced to spam damage shields all the time since they wont benefit from the spell power.

olsborg · August 2015

Does the 33% cost increase apply to dodge, block and break free too?

Xeven · August 2015

That is my interpretation of it.This is an old photo, the cost increase is now 33%, and the damage is not as high.

Mantic0r3 · August 2015

it even increases ultimate cost by 33% (yes exactly 33%; my meteor went from 200 to 266)
not sure about "normal" skills though with all the reduction floating around^^

edit: should not increase dodge roll and stuff as those are not abilities.

Xeven · August 2015

Just tested. Does in fact increase the cost of dodge roll.

Xeven · August 2015

Confirming it will proc on Crushing Shock weaving. They keep on using the word consecutive...

Xeven · August 2015

v16 High Elf Sorcerer in IC

5/5 Scathing Mage
2/2 Molag Kena
3/3 Willpower with Magicka Cost Reduction
Crown Fortifying Meal
100 CP split evenly between Magician Mooncalf and Tumbling
300 Total CP spent
All passives unlocked
7/7 Light

40093 Max Magicka
19181 Max Health
12849 Max Stamina

Magicka Regen 808
Health Regen 370
Stamina Regen 688
Spell Damage 1723

Frag (proc)/Crushing Shock/LA weave down 5-6 Daedra and I'm OOM. Increases cost of everything including ultimates and dodge rolling.

Stikato · August 2015

Xeven wrote: »

Just tested. Does in fact increase the cost of dodge roll.

Lol, who designs this crap.

Mantic0r3 · August 2015

if only item descriptions would ever say what the item/skill actually does...

so who wants to bet? does it increase block cost?

Xeniph · August 2015

800 magicka regen lol

Xeven · August 2015

Xeniph wrote: »

800 magicka regen lol

Yeah that's pretty bad. You can start to replace magicka and spell power with regen, but then youre just going in circles. There may be a balanced regen/molag kena build that will become the new high spell damage build, but I'm not sure how much higher it will be.

Xeven · August 2015

Just a quick comparison with the same gear as posted above.

Crystal Frag Tootip Damage:

Crown Refreshing Drink: 8337
Crown Fortifying Meal: 9001
Crown Refreshing Drink + Molag Kena Proc'd: 9220

If you're going to full time Molag Kena, you're going to need to feed it some regen from somewhere. Here I've traded magicka from food, for regen from drink. In return, I've gained 2.43% (9220/9001) damage when proc'd. That's not really that much, and I actually lose a lot more damage when not proc'd. What if I put crit/magicka/spellpower in those slots instead and ate food? I stand by my original assessment that this set is currently garbage. It would have been much better with a lower set bonus and no penalty.

Another annoying thing I noticed while testing, I would go to use meteor just as the set would proc, then suddenly I dont have enough ultimate because of the cost increase. Im just standing there mashing the ultimate key like wtf?

I am not impressed.

Xeven · August 2015

Bumping this because this is the only thread with actual testing as of yesterday's patch.

Iggybot · August 2015

I think I'll prefer it in pvp where more resources are always helpful. In pve I tend to use gear with the bare minimum sustain possible.

Zlater · August 2015

I find this 2 piece really helpful in PvP. Overload is only good for 1 or 2 hits before everyone sees you throwing them and starts rolling, but with Soul Assault its pretty nuts, pretty much a guaranteed kill.

Soulac · August 2015

If you plan to use regen/cost reduction glyphs and kena you should consider to drop one piece kena and go for three dmg glyphs instead.
Too lose some recovery is better than having kena up all the time and have 33% on everything including dodge and break free.

In case you decide to run dmg glyphs together with kena then forget what I said.

Kas · August 2015

Soulac wrote: »

If you plan to use regen/cost reduction glyphs and kena you should consider to drop one piece kena and go for three dmg glyphs instead.
Too lose some recovery is better than having kena up all the time and have 33% on everything including dodge and break free.

In case you decide to run dmg glyphs together with kena then forget what I said.

indeed. i guess kena makes sense if you

1) already over sustain(e.g. many cpoints, elemental drain on mob, etc). for exampel a magicka nb in pve to give an extreme example.
2) want specific burst (pvp) and are willing to manage the set adn decide when to proc it

however, what is discussed in this thread is not due to ranged weaving but due to force pulse which doesn't count for some reason. there are multiple abilities of that kind, i don't know of a complete list, yet

Xeven · August 2015

Soulac wrote: »

If you plan to use regen/cost reduction glyphs and kena you should consider to drop one piece kena and go for three dmg glyphs instead.
Too lose some recovery is better than having kena up all the time and have 33% on everything including dodge and break free.

In case you decide to run dmg glyphs together with kena then forget what I said.

I just said that in post #18, with math and tooltip damage to back it up, lol.

This is why I love this game, I get to faceroll nerds who have not the slightest clue on how to gear up effectively.

Xantaria · August 2015

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

if only item descriptions would ever say what the item/skill actually does...

so who wants to bet? does it increase block cost?

:')

Soulac · August 2015

Xeven wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

If you plan to use regen/cost reduction glyphs and kena you should consider to drop one piece kena and go for three dmg glyphs instead.
Too lose some recovery is better than having kena up all the time and have 33% on everything including dodge and break free.

In case you decide to run dmg glyphs together with kena then forget what I said.

I just said that in post #18, with math and tooltip damage to back it up, lol.

This is why I love this game, I get to faceroll nerds who have not the slightest clue on how to gear up effectively.

Well you did some math with with crystal fragment, I saw that.
But people need to keep in mind that it also increases dodge etc. making kena not really good if you rely on animation cancel with dodge or bash.
You said nothing about it, so pssssst :P

Xeven · August 2015

Xeven wrote: »

Just tested. Does in fact increase the cost of dodge roll.

=P

Cinbri · August 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

if only item descriptions would ever say what the item/skill actually does...

so who wants to bet? does it increase block cost?

:')

It must be off-topic but what does this emote :') means?