I think what you are really asking for is a price drop.

Ok, let's say that all your mount training upgrades are now account wide but COST 8x AS MUCH. Is that what you want? I doubt it. What you really want is to get more for less. If that upgrade was 1 crown a pop no one would care much about whether they applied to one character or many.

As it is now I have little reason to apply riding upgrades to my crafting toons.

May as well have account wide PVP rank while we are at it.

Nothing like a level 10 with 300 CP super fast mount and PVP rank 50 (and the skill points) to make the nonvet campaign fun

Hi Rosveen,

No way!! :-) Thanks for this info. I'll check it out tonight after work! Damn, that is great news! Forum is awesome :-)

QB

Rosveen wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Let's keep SOME incentiv to roll more than one character, huh?

An incentive is doing with your alt something you can't do with your main. Different class skills, quest choices, areas to level in, crafting. Training a horse again exactly the same way as before isn't an incentive, it's tedium.

That said, each of my characters is a different person and I feel it would be wrong for a brand new character to start with maxed out skills. That's why I don't use champion points until I hit v1. I'm 99% sure account-wide riding skill wouldn't be optional, so I don't want it.

It would be optional in that you wouldn't have to purchase it.

Tessie wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Let's keep SOME incentiv to roll more than one character, huh?

An incentive is doing with your alt something you can't do with your main. Different class skills, quest choices, areas to level in, crafting. Training a horse again exactly the same way as before isn't an incentive, it's tedium.

That said, each of my characters is a different person and I feel it would be wrong for a brand new character to start with maxed out skills. That's why I don't use champion points until I hit v1. I'm 99% sure account-wide riding skill wouldn't be optional, so I don't want it.

It would be optional in that you wouldn't have to purchase it.

Yeah, I see now. I was talking about all training. The question is actually just about making crown store lessons cheaper, which I have no opinion about.

QB941 wrote: »

Hi Rosveen,

No way!! :-) Thanks for this info. I'll check it out tonight after work! Damn, that is great news! Forum is awesome :-)

QB

Yes, the whole reason we now have "Riding Lessons" instead of "Feeding Horses" is that horses became just skins and their skill is tied to the character.

Before, each character had to buy their own horse, but you could only put up to 60 points of anything into a mount. So if you wanted a fast horse, and a horse with a lot of bag space, you'd have to buy two separate horses.

Now, all you need to do is switch the skin of the horse and your stats remain the same.

It's also now possible to upgrade your riding skill to level 60 for EACH STAT, which wasn't possible before (to have all maxes stats at the same time), you had to switch horses.

As someone else said, if they make ti 8x more expensive, then go right ahead and make it account wide.

There's no reason why you have to have a maxed out horse on day one of a character. If you want to have some speed to start with, put 10 speed lessons in, then let the character sit for a week while you raise their speed some more before I actually take them out into the world.

Just to be clear again, this thread is about whether you would be MORE INCLINED to pay for the mount training IF IT WERE FOR YOUR WHOLE ACCOUNT and not just one character. So the question is really this:

At the current price, are you happy to pay for this each character on your account or do you think once you've paid for the training it should carry across to all your characters?

So it's not about role playing, it's about value for money in the cash shop.

It's not about whether you feel it's 'pay to win' - the feature currently exists and you could already do it - only it would cost you more money.

The question is really about how many players have chosen not to pay for the training because it is not account wide and whether they'd pay for it if it was account wide. ZOS may consider a different model if they think more people would buy it but are turned off by the fact it's not account wide.

For those who are penniless, you can still upgrade your mount for free if you log in each day and put one point into training at the mount vendor. This thread really isn't for you at all. It's for those who would spend real money to keep the game afloat but are hesitant because of the way particular features are marketed - like mount training. I hope this clears some things up.

It's all part of playing the game, and developing your character whilst you do. Mount training now, more than ever, is about training the character, not the mount, so this suggestion does not really make sense.

Kaitona wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

It's all part of playing the game, and developing your character whilst you do. Mount training now, more than ever, is about training the character, not the mount, so this suggestion does not really make sense.

That is arguably the lamest response to the question posed in the original post that I've received so far. Your argument isn't valid because I'm not asking if you or anyone else if it makes sense that training is carried across all characters on your account. Go back up two posts and read what I wrote about 'inclined to pay' for a cash shop item if it was for all characters on your account.

I purchase a mount and every character on my account can access it. But that must really confuse you. Where does the mount come from? Your pocket? It just magically appears there. Yet you accept this and don't seem able to accept that the training for said mount could also magically appear as well? lol

What happens when you kill a spider in the game and it drops a sword of piece of armour? Do you sit there for hours and think 'but.. but.. logic dictates that is an impossibility..' - are you a real life Sheldon from Big Bang Theory?

Personal attacks, spiders and other silliness aside:
Mount purchases have been changed to be account-based, where as training a horse has been changed from training the horse to training the player. It is seen now as 'training the character to ride them better, or what have you'. Originally, it was horse training for one particular mount only. So things are a lot easier already, and the initial change was warranted, what with the introduction of the Crown Store.

So, as a result training to ride/load your horse more efficiently is basically mechanically the same these days as buying backpack extensions for your inventory. They are player based, not account based. It is not 'mount training' as you say yourself above. Asking for account-wide player upgrades to horses is now the same as asking for account-wide player upgrades to inventory space. And I am against both of those things.

It is also not about 'logic' or anything other justification you seemingly use to attack people with different opinions to yours. It is about the facts about how the mechanics of the game currently are and the reasoning development have given themselves for such things. I have a feeling that hopefully once you understand properly the mechanics that are in place in-game you may realise the answer to your own 'PAY' question about the Crown Store.

MikeB wrote: »

$180 per character x 8 characters = $1440. There's no way I would ever buy all the mount training for one toon at these prices, you will NEVER get me to pay for full mount training on multiple toons at these prices. Its outrageous to say the least. Other MMO's charge $10-$25 for mounts and the mount's speed is based on the mount itself, not training you do and here they charge you $10-$30 for a mount then want you to pay another $180 to get the mounts full potential.

Then don't pay for it. The Crown Store is there a shortcut; if you do it in-game, it's free (in terms of real money).

Why not just have alt characters have +2 points a day max on training?

This perk of course would be a nice addition to ESO plus, imo

Gidorick wrote: »

Your not upgrading your mount, you're upgrading your character's riding skills. Poll is invalid.

Horse speed/stamina/carry load is a riding skill now?

AngryNord wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

If you were upgrading your mount, I would be all for a concept where you upgrade your mount and that mount is the same across all your characters. Then, if you use a different mount, their skills are different.

Which is almost how it was from the start. Each mount had to be trained (fed) separately, but it was still character specific

It was and then we had a year of people complaining that that was too hard so ZOS capitulated and made it so you only have to do it once per toon and can have all 3 skills maxed at once instead of having to train multiple horses and swap between them depending on which bonus you needed.

Naturally cue more moans about how even this is too hard... still think some players won't be happy until they supply an 'I Win!' Scroll for 1 crown...

Kaitona wrote: »

For those who are penniless, you can still upgrade your mount for free if you log in each day and put one point into training at the mount vendor. This thread really isn't for you at all. It's for those who would spend real money to keep the game afloat but are hesitant because of the way particular features are marketed - like mount training. I hope this clears some things up.

Some of us have been spending money to keep the game afloat since PC launch. It's called a subscription.

What you have rephrased your OP to ask is which of two different ways for ZOS to nickle-and-dime players is the preferred option... and then seem disgruntled to find that some of us are still answering "Neither".