Well stamina has stronger utility (dodge block break free sprint sneak) and magicka has stronger heals where is the problem?

Perhaps stack less weapon power. I had to do it with my NB and keep Relentless Focus buff up, heavy attack more.

Sallington wrote: »

I've always thought blocking, sprinting, dodge rolling, break free, etc. should have used a 4th resource pool called 'endurance' or something like that.

HP for staying alive
Magic for heals or magic dps
Stamina for stam dps
'Endurance' for utility

Having to rely on stam for your DPS as well as all sprinting/blocking/cc breaks makes it seem more cumbersome IMO. I 100% do not expect for a change to ever be implemented though.

Agreed even though I've taken serious heat for suggesting this in the past

candoaocrwb17_ESO wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Perhaps stack less weapon power. I had to do it with my NB and keep Relentless Focus buff up, heavy attack more.

That's true but then its a fine line from pvp to just a boring drawn out fight until back up arrives and one side gets overwhelmed.

That's how it should be. Burst or sustain, not burst and sustain.

Stamina has just gone full circle - at launch stamina was gimped, over the first year and a bit they made it better until it was fully viable even allowing for all the non-ability drains on stamina and the way that magicka can still stockpile around 8-10k more base magicka.

But then some stamina builds started equalling and even beating some magicka builds in PvP and in DPS and as a result the last few months have been little but cries for nerf of this or that stamina use or ability. Still shocked they played into the hands of the talons spammers with the roll dodge nerf but whatever... Frankly I'm just amazed no-one is asking for sprint nerfs yet, maybe some sort of progressive nerf to armour the longer we sprint for...

Some of these changes have been needed - but ZOS decided to nerf every single thing in one patch without stopping to consider the impact of multiple changes stacked on top of each other all aimed at one type of player might lead to a poor result.

Now some people, having this pointed out to them - by far more epic and prominent players/guilds than the likes of me and after much testing and number crunching - might have taken the high road and made a few changes... that does not seem to be the way things are going here.

As a result half the people I talk to who currently play stamina plan to reroll magicka when 1.7/2.1 drops - personally I'm stupid enough to carry on and try to play the style I enjoy but I guess it will be back to 'So you want to do trials as a stamina player?' Cue laughter....

I guess in 6 or 9 months when everyone is back to resto/destro builds they might tentatively acknowledge they made some errors and spend the next year going back the other way.

Take away weapon power add sustain. Idk if this applies to you but everyone i know who complains is barely specd for sustain, take off weapon power enchants and try others if you havent so far

actosh wrote: »

Heavy attacks ftw. Devs said they should be used more often.

Yea right, because a magicka build is forced to use heavy attacks so often.

My stambuilds have to use alot more heavy attacks than My magicka builds. Oh wait I don't need heavy attacks on My magicka builds because there is no cost increase or regen penalty for spamming My defenses (mainly shields , healing ward , harness).

While if a stam builds need to use his defense: block or roll...?

You know where I'm going with this.

There's a reason so many people are Rolling to magicka.

Btw I'm not Talking about full glass cannon specs. This is with blue regen drinks + bosmer race and some regen sets.

Might aswell add sets: bloodspawn , 4 shadowwalker for the regen, skirmisher (gives one stam regen bonus).
Stam regen Mundus and 2x reduce stam cost on jewerly, 1x regen glyph.

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

As a stamina player, we should have the choice between a sustain build and a damage build. But we don't.

Here you go, unlimited stamina: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2095773/#Comment_2095773

actosh wrote: »

Heavy attacks ftw. Devs said they should be used more often.

Watch them play on the PTS. Thats what they did for the most part. Drop and ult or caltrops then fully charge heavy attack. It was painful to watch. No combos no rotations. I really don't get this style of combat.

@SuraklinPrime Yes, I have been saying this since my first go on the PTS. Here we go again with magic builds only in trials and in PVP. I will stick by my stam build but probably make him into a snipe ganker.

You beat me to it zwerge

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd rather just get rid of stamina altogether as an attack resource.

Make all skills cost magicka and ony use stamina for defense. While we are at it lets just consolidate spell and weapon damage and crit into one damage and crit value since its based on the weapon you're carrying anyway.

All the DPS orientated armor can boost damage and magicka while the tank based armor can boost stamina and health.

That would make all morphs of skills available for everyone and give a lot more flexible build options.

I think this would result in 1 build for every class + very similar tank and heal builds which would make this game boring af

I disagree. It would actually make all craftable sets available for all builds since everyone uses magicka. You could actually have seducer medium armor as a viable option for example.

It's not like there's a lot of variation now... Healers wear healer, tanks wear footman, and magicka DPS wears martial knowledge etc..

Stamina dk's can't use lava whip, stamina nightblades can't use the ranged execute etc..

IMO this would solve a lot of those problems and let players use more options.

Yes and this results in 1 top build for everyone because everyone can use the best from everything and I doebt many would do something else

With the next patch this would actually be not een bad because of hybrid builds becoming viable again.

My templar does use healer set but just 4 peaces and also martial knowledge for max spelldamage because this is my way of incresing my heals while also being able to do decent dps

Shure they cant but thats just because samina users have more weapon skills they can use and the bow has a ranged execute

It is funny how I never had a problem with perma blocking dks. Maybe because I play one myself so Iknow how to counter but when I play my dk most ppl seem to have no idea what to do

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd rather just get rid of stamina altogether as an attack resource.

Make all skills cost magicka and ony use stamina for defense. While we are at it lets just consolidate spell and weapon damage and crit into one damage and crit value since its based on the weapon you're carrying anyway.

All the DPS orientated armor can boost damage and magicka while the tank based armor can boost stamina and health.

That would make all morphs of skills available for everyone and give a lot more flexible build options.

I think this would result in 1 build for every class + very similar tank and heal builds which would make this game boring af

I disagree. It would actually make all craftable sets available for all builds since everyone uses magicka. You could actually have seducer medium armor as a viable option for example.

It's not like there's a lot of variation now... Healers wear healer, tanks wear footman, and magicka DPS wears martial knowledge etc..

Stamina dk's can't use lava whip, stamina nightblades can't use the ranged execute etc..

IMO this would solve a lot of those problems and let players use more options.

Yes and this results in 1 top build for everyone because everyone can use the best from everything and I doebt many would do something else

With the next patch this would actually be not een bad because of hybrid builds becoming viable again.

My templar does use healer set but just 4 peaces and also martial knowledge for max spelldamage because this is my way of incresing my heals while also being able to do decent dps

Shure they cant but thats just because samina users have more weapon skills they can use and the bow has a ranged execute

I know a few Templars running that combo.

Imagine if you could run light armor with bow as an off the wall example... If lethal arrow cost magicka then that would be an option. You know, "play the way you want"

This was an option when they had softcaps. I would implement softcaps again before changing everything to magicka.

sixuponthelot wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

I'd rather just get rid of stamina altogether as an attack resource.

Make all skills cost magicka and ony use stamina for defense. While we are at it lets just consolidate spell and weapon damage and crit into one damage and crit value since its based on the weapon you're carrying anyway.

All the DPS orientated armor can boost damage and magicka while the tank based armor can boost stamina and health.

That would make all morphs of skills available for everyone and give a lot more flexible build options.

I think this would result in 1 build for every class + very similar tank and heal builds which would make this game boring af

I disagree. It would actually make all craftable sets available for all builds since everyone uses magicka. You could actually have seducer medium armor as a viable option for example.

It's not like there's a lot of variation now... Healers wear healer, tanks wear footman, and magicka DPS wears martial knowledge etc..

Stamina dk's can't use lava whip, stamina nightblades can't use the ranged execute etc..

IMO this would solve a lot of those problems and let players use more options.

Yes and this results in 1 top build for everyone because everyone can use the best from everything and I doebt many would do something else

With the next patch this would actually be not een bad because of hybrid builds becoming viable again.

My templar does use healer set but just 4 peaces and also martial knowledge for max spelldamage because this is my way of incresing my heals while also being able to do decent dps

Shure they cant but thats just because samina users have more weapon skills they can use and the bow has a ranged execute

I know a few Templars running that combo.

Imagine if you could run light armor with bow as an off the wall example... If lethal arrow cost magicka then that would be an option. You know, "play the way you want"

This was an option when they had softcaps. I would implement softcaps again before changing everything to magicka.

There are a few things making hybrid builds valuable again next patch: molag kena, prismatic enchants and old stuff like twiceborn star and so on

Who needs stamina builds when you have Harry Potter builds who can dps, tank, and heal all at once?!!!