Dracane wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Shields now allow a bunch of sets to proc, including Nerien and Skoria. I think this can be considered a nerf.
Crit immunity always made shields special and somewhat unique. If shields would be critable, probably everyone would stack crit and then you shield haters would suffer the same, because there is nothing limiting crit builds anymore and many people would come up with this.

In fact, I already had my crit build prepared when they first talked about the crit shield thing.

This was about time because on life your shields are a counter to anything templars and Dks do.
I have no problem with more crit in pvp my nb is waiting with 70-80% crit
The only one having problems with crits is you sir because you would loose some of your opness

I'm no sir and no, I would have no problems Because I'm rerolling Magicka Nightblade. Would be foolish if I didn't

So if you are rerolling a nb why do you still defend sorc shields?

Because not everyone defends only their class and nothing else. Whats best for the game is what matters. Not your ego or butthurt.

For a couple of reasons. I have a special connection to Sorcerers, because I wanted to play 1 since I know the game and I'm doing so since almost 2 years. I was fighting so many fights, in game and on the forums. It was a long way until Sorcerers became strong and Sorcerer is still the most lackluster class. You might be laughing, but it's true.

Only Hardened Ward makes this class special and keeps it alive. It's a great ability and by far the best Sorcerer ability. Not Crystal fragments, not bolt escape. Hardened Ward alone

But I came to recognize, that the developers don't want, or don't know how to fix Sorcerers. And even my patience is at its at end, even if it took 2 years. And my Magicka Nightblade will be using damage shields, so yea.
Also I have many Sorcerer friends here and I want to support them after all.

So do I with templars with the difference that templars never were really good in all of the main aspects. There was a time templars were quite good at pvp I even won vs dks who were known for their opness back then just because some skills like blazing shield were useful back then although blazing shield stopped magicka regen while active it was one if not the best templar ability just like hardened ward is right now but then they took away the loss of mana regen and suddenly it was op and was nerfend into the ground where it didnt recover from. But while I was able to play decent pvp noone ever took me into trials becausemost groups had their set healers and if you told them you want to do templar dps they just laughed or ignored you.

This is why we have this discussion I never had a problem with frags idk why people are dying to it and bolt escape is fine as it is on pts. You can get away from the fight but its not guaranteed that noone other than a sorc can follow you.

How would you fix sorcs?
Btw the devs are not listening to anyone. 50 %of their nerfs and buffs are totally random. For example I understand they nerfed jesus beam but they should have incresed the dps of other templar skills in return because jesus beam is the only reason templar dps is comparable to other classes. When I check ftc for damage details after a fight jesus beam alone has done more dps than all other abilities combined including ults. But why would they nerf eclipse which was already a pure pvp skill and not too strong compared to other reflects?

Well yea you need healing ward as magicka nb thats true

Dracane wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Does dots now work against shields?

Only primary Dots, not secondary Dots

I saw a vid where reflecting light was not doting shields so this counds as secondary dot? But what is a primary dot then?

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Does dots now work against shields?

Only primary Dots, not secondary Dots

I saw a vid where reflecting light was not doting shields so this counds as secondary dot? But what is a primary dot then?

Things that apply a DoT as their main component. Examples are Entropy, Soul trap, this Nightblade thing ^^ and a few more

sixuponthelot wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Does dots now work against shields?

Only primary Dots, not secondary Dots

I saw a vid where reflecting light was not doting shields so this counds as secondary dot? But what is a primary dot then?

caltrops, radiant destruction, stuff that has no initial damage + dot; it just has the dot damage

Where is the change? Caltrops and rd always worked on shields because they are channeled/ground aoe

Dracane wrote: »

Haha I'm not going to delete anything. I definately did not spent so much time doing all these achievements and what not. And I'm a roleplayer, I'm not going to delete my character.

I don't have to prove anything to you and your friends
But I wouldn't pretend something that is not true. I definately plan on playing my Magicka Nightblade. But the progress is so slow.

Good good. I can feel your anger building. Delete your sorc. Then role an EP NA NB and power level to v14 in the next 48 hours. Enter Cyrodiil and kill those you encounter who are wounded or on horseback. Kill them with three button presses. No more. Do this and your opinion on magicka NB's will be trusted and respected.

But it all starts with deleting your sorc. Do it.

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Haha I'm not going to delete anything. I definately did not spent so much time doing all these achievements and what not. And I'm a roleplayer, I'm not going to delete my character.

I don't have to prove anything to you and your friends
But I wouldn't pretend something that is not true. I definately plan on playing my Magicka Nightblade. But the progress is so slow.

Good good. I can feel your anger building. Delete your sorc. Then role an EP NA NB and power level to v14 in the next 48 hours. Enter Cyrodiil and kill those you encounter who are wounded or on horseback. Kill them with three button presses. No more. Do this and your opinion on magicka NB's will be trusted and respected.

But it all starts with deleting your sorc. Do it.

Do it.... this sounds like a Daedric Lord telling me what to do!
You're trying to seduce the wrong victim !

My dark RP character is my Nightblade and I plan on hunting down all my rivals. Well for some reason I decided to join the same alliance as my Sorcerer. Wish my dark one could go without an alliance.

They can't be crit...yet. The devs posted in the first thread about shiled crits a couple of weeks ago. They decided to see how the fixes regarding the interaction beteen shield and the battle spirit buff worked out before they did any more changes. Though it is worth mentioning it's still on the table if they don't like what they see. So get to testing

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Yeah, I'm just being silly. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Don't delete your sorc!

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Ezareth wrote: »

I don't see why anyone with a Sorc would want to play a magicka NB anyways.

If you're a sorc rolling NB, it's permaroller (Now Uniroller) or bust!

The majority of these permarollers has a massive l2p issue because nbs are awesome without permarolling. A dodge roll here and there is good but you have so many abilities to avoid damage as nb you dont need to roll more than every 4 seconds and if you have 33% is not so much just stop after 3 times and use cloak its really not that hard

Ezareth wrote: »

I don't see why anyone with a Sorc would want to play a magicka NB anyways.

If you're a sorc rolling NB, it's permaroller (Now Uniroller) or bust!

And why not ? Magicka Nightblades are strong and I think, they can be very strong and mobile if played right.
It's a different playstyle, but I don't want to play a class that lives between possible incoming nerfs and despair. So I rather go with the majority.

BuggeX wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Does dots now work against shields?

Only primary Dots, not secondary Dots

that mean dk still will not be able to brake through the shilds?

Thats what it is Dks dps is thebest to mitigate thanks to cp and shield

BuggeX wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Does dots now work against shields?

Only primary Dots, not secondary Dots

that mean dk still will not be able to brake through the shilds?

Yeah searing strike morphs and fiery breath morphs do next to nothing to shields. Whip or Uppercut spam is the best option I guess.

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I don't see why anyone with a Sorc would want to play a magicka NB anyways.

If you're a sorc rolling NB, it's permaroller (Now Uniroller) or bust!

The majority of these permarollers has a massive l2p issue because nbs are awesome without permarolling. A dodge roll here and there is good but you have so many abilities to avoid damage as nb you dont need to roll more than every 4 seconds and if you have 33% is not so much just stop after 3 times and use cloak its really not that hard

I permaroll because I'm using Skirmishers and my stamina regen can support it indefinitely. While I'm rolling I'm animation cancelling abilities with roll like Rally/absorb magick and I'm scanning the field for the right target/moment to attack. It's pretty absurdly OP when used correctly right now which is why I abuse it....because all those nightblades told my Sorc self that it wasn't possible haha or would gimp my damage.

Xeven wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I don't see why anyone with a Sorc would want to play a magicka NB anyways.

If you're a sorc rolling NB, it's permaroller (Now Uniroller) or bust!

I would roll a NB for IC, but I dont have time to mess with lorebooks, skyshards, main quest, cadwells, undaunted, etc etc etc all over again.

Sorcerer4life

I thought the same thing. Rolled a NB to prove a point and found I enjoyed it (in my own way) playing with a similar play style to my sorc.

Dracane wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I don't see why anyone with a Sorc would want to play a magicka NB anyways.

If you're a sorc rolling NB, it's permaroller (Now Uniroller) or bust!

And why not ? Magicka Nightblades are strong and I think, they can be very strong and mobile if played right.
It's a different playstyle, but I don't want to play a class that lives between possible incoming nerfs and despair. So I rather go with the majority.

Yes they're strong but everything a magicka NB can do besides stealth a Sorc does better...and you don't have to reroll to do it if you already own a sorc.

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Shields now allow a bunch of sets to proc, including Nerien and Skoria. I think this can be considered a nerf.
Crit immunity always made shields special and somewhat unique. If shields would be critable, probably everyone would stack crit and then you shield haters would suffer the same, because there is nothing limiting crit builds anymore and many people would come up with this.

In fact, I already had my crit build prepared when they first talked about the crit shield thing.

This was about time because on life your shields are a counter to anything templars and Dks do.
I have no problem with more crit in pvp my nb is waiting with 70-80% crit
The only one having problems with crits is you sir because you would loose some of your opness

I'm no sir and no, I would have no problems Because I'm rerolling Magicka Nightblade. Would be foolish if I didn't

So if you are rerolling a nb why do you still defend sorc shields?

What do you want to give sorcs if you take away their class defense ability?

So quick to yell nerf when not all sorc builds have high-cheese shields.

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Shields now allow a bunch of sets to proc, including Nerien and Skoria. I think this can be considered a nerf.
Crit immunity always made shields special and somewhat unique. If shields would be critable, probably everyone would stack crit and then you shield haters would suffer the same, because there is nothing limiting crit builds anymore and many people would come up with this.

In fact, I already had my crit build prepared when they first talked about the crit shield thing.

This was about time because on life your shields are a counter to anything templars and Dks do.
I have no problem with more crit in pvp my nb is waiting with 70-80% crit
The only one having problems with crits is you sir because you would loose some of your opness

I'm no sir and no, I would have no problems Because I'm rerolling Magicka Nightblade. Would be foolish if I didn't

So if you are rerolling a nb why do you still defend sorc shields?

What do you want to give sorcs if you take away their class defense ability?

So quick to yell nerf when not all sorc builds have high-cheese shields.

Where did I or someone else in this treat write that you should take away sorc shields?
We just want it to be crit and dotable because it negates a lot of possible builds and almost a whole class: Dks who rely on dots for dps
You can keep your shield value but make it scale of health too so stam sorcs do have a defense too

Your heals should scale off HP and not magicka either then. BoL for 3k heals please.