Can we crit shields?

Araxleon · August 2015

I was testing and I was not doing crit damage to the shields

Xeven · August 2015

Nope. What was said on live stream was only a possibilty. The reality is that you will destroy Magicka Sorc if you do that, and thats why they havent done it yet.

Ezareth · August 2015

Where have you been these past couple years Arax???

That has always been one of the primary benefits of shields, you can't crit them.

Armitas · August 2015

Is the shield overflow bug still happening?

Araxleon · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Where have you been these past couple years Arax???

That has always been one of the primary benefits of shields, you can't crit them.

Like the other person said, i heard on live it might be added

Xeven · August 2015

Armitas wrote: »

Is the shield overflow bug still happening?

Yes.

Armitas · August 2015

Xeven wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Is the shield overflow bug still happening?

Yes.

Great so basically if I use igneous shield on my group I'm going to be destroying them in 1.7. (edit: messed around with some numbers and it still provides a positive value)

Xeven · August 2015

Shields are still not critable. They cant do that without giving us something in return. It would turn the game upsidedown.

Armitas · August 2015

I have heard the overflow can crit though. (not sure if true)

TBois · August 2015

Unnerf shields and let me crit them, fix the shield overflow bug, and I would be a happy stam sorc. ZOS really wants me to use crit surge, and I would find room for it and hardened ward on my bars if they fixed these issues.

caperon · August 2015

Xeven wrote: »

Shields are still not critable. They cant do that without giving us something in return. It would turn the game upsidedown.

What do yo mean like removal of soft caps, champion points system or stamina regen while blocking? When Zenimax does not turn the game upside down when "balancing"?

Xeven · August 2015

Holding block was never intended. Shields as a primary defense for at least one class were absolutely intended. I know how bad you guys want to destroy us sorcs, but the fact is, youd have to give us something else in return, because weve already suffered a crippling balance round, and crittable shields would basically destroy the class.

It would also have a huge impact on the other classes.

Ezareth · August 2015

Araxleon wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Where have you been these past couple years Arax???

That has always been one of the primary benefits of shields, you can't crit them.

Like the other person said, i heard on live it might be added

Ahh, was going to say haha.

They said they were going to hold off on allowing shields to be crit to see how the changes to the Battle Spirit buff (which significantly nerfed shields) played out.

Xeven · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Where have you been these past couple years Arax???

That has always been one of the primary benefits of shields, you can't crit them.

Like the other person said, i heard on live it might be added

Ahh, was going to say haha.

They said they were going to hold off on allowing shields to be crit to see how the changes to the Battle Spirit buff (which significantly nerfed shields) played out.

Curious. I thought the math ended up balancing out to only a 5% nerf to shields?

Ezareth · August 2015

Armitas wrote: »

I have heard the overflow can crit though. (not sure if true)

Yes. If a shield has 500 points left on it and you hit the person from stealth you will do full stealth crit damage as if they had zero armor (overflow bug) minus the 500 damage that was absorb.

Armitas · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

I have heard the overflow can crit though. (not sure if true)

Yes. If a shield has 500 points left on it and you hit the person from stealth you will do full stealth crit damage as if they had zero armor (overflow bug) minus the 500 damage that was absorb.

Thanks for confirming. Yeah that is a big deal for igneous shields group shield. (edit: messed around with some numbers and it still provides a positive value)

Springt-Über-Zwerge · August 2015

Xeven wrote: »

Holding block was never intended. Shields as a primary defense for at least one class were absolutely intended. I know how bad you guys want to destroy us sorcs, but the fact is, youd have to give us something else in return, because weve already suffered a crippling balance round, and crittable shields would basically destroy the class.

It would also have a huge impact on the other classes.

Hm wonder where you got nerfed apart from be nerf?
And seriously put your lightning form in between your ports after every 3rd and you still wont run out of magicka if you have enough regen. Then nerf is not too hard and was totally needed

Xeven · August 2015

I support the be nerf. I could even get behind crittable shields, but you would have to give them physical/spell mitigation or something in return because otherwise, you might as well just remove them from the game. Nobody will use them and it will destroy magicka sorc outright.

Im sorry if thats not what you want to hear, but it is the truth of it.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · August 2015

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Ezareth · August 2015

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

If you're a sorc, most skilled melee players are fully piercing your armor anyways, you mainly notice this from magicka use, especially against a sorc using nirn.

This is why I love spamming overload on Sorcs. It hits the sweet spot of non-crit damage that will take a hardened ward to a sliver, then the next one busts that and if it crits it will be at maximum damage against the Sorcs health which often kills them.

Dracane · August 2015

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Shields now allow a bunch of sets to proc, including Nerien and Skoria. I think this can be considered a nerf.
Crit immunity always made shields special and somewhat unique. If shields would be critable, probably everyone would stack crit and then you shield haters would suffer the same, because there is nothing limiting crit builds anymore and many people would come up with this.

In fact, I already had my crit build prepared when they first talked about the crit shield thing.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Shields now allow a bunch of sets to proc, including Nerien and Skoria. I think this can be considered a nerf.
Crit immunity always made shields special and somewhat unique. If shields would be critable, probably everyone would stack crit and then you shield haters would suffer the same, because there is nothing limiting crit builds anymore and many people would come up with this.

In fact, I already had my crit build prepared when they first talked about the crit shield thing.

This was about time because on life your shields are a counter to anything templars and Dks do.
I have no problem with more crit in pvp my nb is waiting with 70-80% crit

The only one having problems with crits is you sir because you would loose some of your opness

Dracane · August 2015

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Shields now allow a bunch of sets to proc, including Nerien and Skoria. I think this can be considered a nerf.
Crit immunity always made shields special and somewhat unique. If shields would be critable, probably everyone would stack crit and then you shield haters would suffer the same, because there is nothing limiting crit builds anymore and many people would come up with this.

In fact, I already had my crit build prepared when they first talked about the crit shield thing.

This was about time because on life your shields are a counter to anything templars and Dks do.
I have no problem with more crit in pvp my nb is waiting with 70-80% crit
The only one having problems with crits is you sir because you would loose some of your opness

I'm no sir and no, I would have no problems

Because I'm rerolling Magicka Nightblade. Would be foolish if I didn't

Springt-Über-Zwerge · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Shields now allow a bunch of sets to proc, including Nerien and Skoria. I think this can be considered a nerf.
Crit immunity always made shields special and somewhat unique. If shields would be critable, probably everyone would stack crit and then you shield haters would suffer the same, because there is nothing limiting crit builds anymore and many people would come up with this.

In fact, I already had my crit build prepared when they first talked about the crit shield thing.

This was about time because on life your shields are a counter to anything templars and Dks do.
I have no problem with more crit in pvp my nb is waiting with 70-80% crit
The only one having problems with crits is you sir because you would loose some of your opness

I'm no sir and no, I would have no problems Because I'm rerolling Magicka Nightblade. Would be foolish if I didn't

So if you are rerolling a nb why do you still defend sorc shields?

Xeven · August 2015

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Shields now allow a bunch of sets to proc, including Nerien and Skoria. I think this can be considered a nerf.
Crit immunity always made shields special and somewhat unique. If shields would be critable, probably everyone would stack crit and then you shield haters would suffer the same, because there is nothing limiting crit builds anymore and many people would come up with this.

In fact, I already had my crit build prepared when they first talked about the crit shield thing.

This was about time because on life your shields are a counter to anything templars and Dks do.
I have no problem with more crit in pvp my nb is waiting with 70-80% crit
The only one having problems with crits is you sir because you would loose some of your opness

I'm no sir and no, I would have no problems Because I'm rerolling Magicka Nightblade. Would be foolish if I didn't

So if you are rerolling a nb why do you still defend sorc shields?

Because not everyone defends only their class and nothing else. Whats best for the game is what matters. Not your ego or butthurt.

Springt-Über-Zwerge · August 2015

Xeven wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Shields now allow a bunch of sets to proc, including Nerien and Skoria. I think this can be considered a nerf.
Crit immunity always made shields special and somewhat unique. If shields would be critable, probably everyone would stack crit and then you shield haters would suffer the same, because there is nothing limiting crit builds anymore and many people would come up with this.

In fact, I already had my crit build prepared when they first talked about the crit shield thing.

This was about time because on life your shields are a counter to anything templars and Dks do.
I have no problem with more crit in pvp my nb is waiting with 70-80% crit
The only one having problems with crits is you sir because you would loose some of your opness

I'm no sir and no, I would have no problems Because I'm rerolling Magicka Nightblade. Would be foolish if I didn't

So if you are rerolling a nb why do you still defend sorc shields?

Because not everyone defends only their class and nothing else. Whats best for the game is what matters. Not your ego or butthurt.

Well thats the reason Im arguing here. I want to have ballance in the game not 1 op class like it is on life right now. If I didnt care I would have rerolled a sorc months ago and use my templar as dust collector

Dracane · August 2015

Xeven wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Shields now allow a bunch of sets to proc, including Nerien and Skoria. I think this can be considered a nerf.
Crit immunity always made shields special and somewhat unique. If shields would be critable, probably everyone would stack crit and then you shield haters would suffer the same, because there is nothing limiting crit builds anymore and many people would come up with this.

In fact, I already had my crit build prepared when they first talked about the crit shield thing.

This was about time because on life your shields are a counter to anything templars and Dks do.
I have no problem with more crit in pvp my nb is waiting with 70-80% crit
The only one having problems with crits is you sir because you would loose some of your opness

I'm no sir and no, I would have no problems Because I'm rerolling Magicka Nightblade. Would be foolish if I didn't

So if you are rerolling a nb why do you still defend sorc shields?

Because not everyone defends only their class and nothing else. Whats best for the game is what matters. Not your ego or butthurt.

For a couple of reasons. I have a special connection to Sorcerers, because I wanted to play 1 since I know the game and I'm doing so since almost 2 years. I was fighting so many fights, in game and on the forums. It was a long way until Sorcerers became strong and Sorcerer is still the most lackluster class. You might be laughing, but it's true.

Only Hardened Ward makes this class special and keeps it alive. It's a great ability and by far the best Sorcerer ability. Not Crystal fragments, not bolt escape. Hardened Ward alone

But I came to recognize, that the developers don't want, or don't know how to fix Sorcerers. And even my patience is at its at end, even if it took 2 years. And my Magicka Nightblade will be using damage shields, so yea.
Also I have many Sorcerer friends here and I want to support them after all.

actosh · August 2015

Does dots now work against shields?

Dracane · August 2015

actosh wrote: »

Does dots now work against shields?

Only primary Dots, not secondary Dots

Xeven · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Shields now allow a bunch of sets to proc, including Nerien and Skoria. I think this can be considered a nerf.
Crit immunity always made shields special and somewhat unique. If shields would be critable, probably everyone would stack crit and then you shield haters would suffer the same, because there is nothing limiting crit builds anymore and many people would come up with this.

In fact, I already had my crit build prepared when they first talked about the crit shield thing.

This was about time because on life your shields are a counter to anything templars and Dks do.
I have no problem with more crit in pvp my nb is waiting with 70-80% crit
The only one having problems with crits is you sir because you would loose some of your opness

I'm no sir and no, I would have no problems Because I'm rerolling Magicka Nightblade. Would be foolish if I didn't

So if you are rerolling a nb why do you still defend sorc shields?

Because not everyone defends only their class and nothing else. Whats best for the game is what matters. Not your ego or butthurt.

For a couple of reasons. I have a special connection to Sorcerers, because I wanted to play 1 since I know the game and I'm doing so since almost 2 years. I was fighting so many fights, in game and on the forums. It was a long way until Sorcerers became strong and Sorcerer is still the most lackluster class. You might be laughing, but it's true.

Only Hardened Ward makes this class special and keeps it alive. It's a great ability and by far the best Sorcerer ability. Not Crystal fragments, not bolt escape. Hardened Ward alone

But I came to recognize, that the developers don't want, or don't know how to fix Sorcerers. And even my patience is at its at end, even if it took 2 years. And my Magicka Nightblade will be using damage shields, so yea.
Also I have many Sorcerer friends here and I want to support them after all.

I think you misunderstood me. I was defending you.

Dracane · August 2015

Xeven wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Well your shield prevents from dots and on hit effects like the heal from puncturing sweep which is a bonus you shiuld not underestimate. Even if they just change it to be critable, set the overflow bug is fixed (although I really doubt it is as dangerous as sorcs describe, because I have a much weaker shield than you and never had noticeable issues with that bug and also never saw a real proof that it exists) the shield is still a good aditional defense and Iwould totally use it if I had a high lvl sorc (which will definitely be the case soon because sorcs are still op af in my opinion)

Shields now allow a bunch of sets to proc, including Nerien and Skoria. I think this can be considered a nerf.
Crit immunity always made shields special and somewhat unique. If shields would be critable, probably everyone would stack crit and then you shield haters would suffer the same, because there is nothing limiting crit builds anymore and many people would come up with this.

In fact, I already had my crit build prepared when they first talked about the crit shield thing.

This was about time because on life your shields are a counter to anything templars and Dks do.
I have no problem with more crit in pvp my nb is waiting with 70-80% crit
The only one having problems with crits is you sir because you would loose some of your opness

I'm no sir and no, I would have no problems Because I'm rerolling Magicka Nightblade. Would be foolish if I didn't

So if you are rerolling a nb why do you still defend sorc shields?

Because not everyone defends only their class and nothing else. Whats best for the game is what matters. Not your ego or butthurt.

For a couple of reasons. I have a special connection to Sorcerers, because I wanted to play 1 since I know the game and I'm doing so since almost 2 years. I was fighting so many fights, in game and on the forums. It was a long way until Sorcerers became strong and Sorcerer is still the most lackluster class. You might be laughing, but it's true.

Only Hardened Ward makes this class special and keeps it alive. It's a great ability and by far the best Sorcerer ability. Not Crystal fragments, not bolt escape. Hardened Ward alone

But I came to recognize, that the developers don't want, or don't know how to fix Sorcerers. And even my patience is at its at end, even if it took 2 years. And my Magicka Nightblade will be using damage shields, so yea.
Also I have many Sorcerer friends here and I want to support them after all.

I think you misunderstood me. I was defending you.

I know I know

I was talking to him. I quoted you, to show you, that I've seen your support.