What are the downsides for changing races?

ChibiMechaX78
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I know this may have been brought up many times.
The ability to change your race after the character creation,
but what are the downsides to be able to do that in eso?

That's purely what this thread is about, and that's all I want to know. If there are cons, do they outweigh the positives depending on how the devs go about it?

For example would it be a crown store purchase or in-game? Regardless if it makes sense to change your race in-mid game.

Edited by ChibiMechaX78 on August 27, 2015 12:36PM
  • Rev Rielle
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    It would definitely be a Crown Store purchase.
    There is no actual downside/unbalancing that would occur from having this option in-game.
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  • UrQuan
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    The only downside I can think of is that you may end up with loads of people swapping to whatever the flavour of the month is for the best race.

    Personally it wouldn't affect me because I don't really care what other people do with their characters' races, and I wouldn't even consider changing the race of any of my own characters.
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    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
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  • Rev Rielle
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    The only downside I can think of is that you may end up with loads of people swapping to whatever the flavour of the month is for the best race.

    Personally it wouldn't affect me because I don't really care what other people do with their characters' races, and I wouldn't even consider changing the race of any of my own characters.
    *nods* Yes, what other players do or don't do, really won't affect the rest of us playing. It won't be as if they'll have an option to change to a far 'better' race that is only available through the crown store.
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  • redspecter23
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    Race change doesn't let you do anything you can't already do in game. One could simply roll up a new character from scratch and get the same thing. Race change allows you to save time. In a game that has racial abilities that are constantly changing, some sort of race change is a good thing. Yes, you will have some people changing into the new FOTM but you also allow players stuck with a bad race or one that's been nerfed to have an alternative other than "reroll".

    In order to keep players from doing it too often, they only need to add a time lockout on it. Say 1000 crowns and a one month timer just off the top of my head.
  • UrQuan
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    Rev Rielle wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    The only downside I can think of is that you may end up with loads of people swapping to whatever the flavour of the month is for the best race.

    Personally it wouldn't affect me because I don't really care what other people do with their characters' races, and I wouldn't even consider changing the race of any of my own characters.
    *nods* Yes, what other players do or don't do, really won't affect the rest of us playing. It won't be as if they'll have an option to change to a far 'better' race that is only available through the crown store.
    I could see how PVP folks might be concerned about people swapping to FotM races. Wouldn't make any difference to me though.
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
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  • Rev Rielle
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    Honestly, and I could never see this happening, but if a significant portion of the player-base wants to change their race every month or so, I say let them. It's, a) finances for the game which needs an income or else none of us will get to enjoy it, and b) changing race doesn't have that big an impact on play-style, a player is never going to go from an average player to a wonderful one due to a race-change option.

    In truth though, the vast majority of players play a race because they want to, not because of any flavour of the month mechanics or balancing. If this was introduced to the game, we would not be able to detect any changes at all.
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  • Thymos
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    A lot of people will quit being Argonian.
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  • Rev Rielle
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    Rev Rielle wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    The only downside I can think of is that you may end up with loads of people swapping to whatever the flavour of the month is for the best race.

    Personally it wouldn't affect me because I don't really care what other people do with their characters' races, and I wouldn't even consider changing the race of any of my own characters.
    *nods* Yes, what other players do or don't do, really won't affect the rest of us playing. It won't be as if they'll have an option to change to a far 'better' race that is only available through the crown store.
    I could see how PVP folks might be concerned about people swapping to FotM races. Wouldn't make any difference to me though.
    Well I'm a PvPer, and I wouldn't be worried about it at all. Additionally, l'm not a good PvPer by any stretch of the imagination. So I don't think anyone that is competent in Cyrodiil would care in the slighest.
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  • Maotti
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    I honestly don't want racechanges, racialpassivechanges however! That i want to see.
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  • TheShadowScout
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    I really cannot see any sort of drawback to race change. There are two arguments usually made against it, the "but... Lore!" argument which is invalid through quests in the game where a dunmer changes himself to argonian trying for khajiit, or a mystical goblet changing people into goblins... and the "but... FotM-chasers" to which I say, let them, take their money, and finance more content faster for all of us!

    The only thing I -would- hate was if they allowed people to keep their race, but cherry-pick the set of passives most "useful" to their build. Altmer are -supposed- to be better at magic then, say, orcs, and redguards are -supposed- to be better at bladework then, say, bretons...
  • ChibiMechaX78
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    I don't see the races really being Fotm but if you could switch classes that's a different story. The race Passover are awesome, and all but I really only see people switching races because they wish they were a different race simply put. Then again people are different. I just don't Fotm being that much of an issue. I see ZOS making more money anyways with not very much issue.

    I'd personally also like to be to change character appearance along with race too, but I guess I would be too greedy if I wanted that much :/
  • Rev Rielle
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    Flavour of the month (FotM) is a very commonly used acronym when such things are brought up. However I think it's a lot like the 'pink' armour argument about dying weapons/shields/armour that happens on nearly every forum of every mmo: A lot of players are afraid and worried that everyone will be in pink (i.e. hideous) colours, but in reality this never happens in game.

    It's much the same with the FotM racial changes I believe; a lot of players are afraid this will happen, but it never seems to.
    Edited by Rev Rielle on August 27, 2015 12:35AM
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  • UrQuan
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    Rev Rielle wrote: »
    Flavour of the month (FotM) is a very commonly used acronym when such things are brought up. However I think it's a lot like the 'pink' armour argument about dying weapons/shields/armour that happens on nearly every forum of every mmo: A lot of players are afraid and worried that everyone will be in pink (i.e. hideous) colours, but in reality this never happens in game.

    It's much the same with the FotM racial changes I believe; a lot of players are afraid this will happen, but it never seems to.
    I think you're probably right about that. The only reason I brought it up is because it was the only argument against allowing race changes that I could think of. I don't happen to think it's a very good argument, but I can't think of any other real reason people might object.
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    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • Baconfat79
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    What kind of downsides ARE there for proper verb conjugation?
  • Van_0S
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    Why not add a new world race(like for vamp and WW) called dragon born , where I can shout and my enemies will fly( just imagine in pvp ,how it will look).
  • Van_0S
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    Thymos wrote: »
    A lot of people will quit being Argonian.

    Nah!, who doesn't what to be a godzilla.
    Edited by Van_0S on August 27, 2015 5:35AM
  • AngryNord
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    but what are the downsides to be able to do that in eso?

    Guilds booting you with the message "we only take Bretons as healers". LFGs along the lines of "tank wanted for IC Dungeon - Imperial DK only!"
  • AngryNord
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    Why not add a new world race(like for vamp and WW) called dragon born , where I can shout and my enemies will fly( just imagine in pvp ,how it will look).

    Yes, if you want the majority of players to quit and the game to get shut down within a year, that's an excellent idea.
    Otherwise, it is a really, really, really BAD idea.
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    Maotti_Nor wrote: »
    I honestly don't want racechanges, racialpassivechanges however! That i want to see.

    I only want to see racial passive changes the day after they remove Elder Scrolls from the title of the game.
  • Van_0S
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    AngryNord wrote: »
    Why not add a new world race(like for vamp and WW) called dragon born , where I can shout and my enemies will fly( just imagine in pvp ,how it will look).

    Yes, if you want the majority of players to quit and the game to get shut down within a year, that's an excellent idea.
    Otherwise, it is a really, really, really BAD idea.

    At least, the shout can be an uultimate (the morph can summon a dragon to do the shout).The rest can be passive and no active abilites.
  • Elsir
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    If it was a straight-up change of race on say your VR14 character from say Altmer to Breton, I imagine the main downside would be the fact you haven't levelled Breton passives. You've levelled Altmer passives. Thinking of it like the Werewolf/Vampire stuff. You can cure yourself of being one but if you should choose to go back to it, you've already levelled it, but if you choose the other, you've not yet levelled it and must start that over from scratch. On semi-rare occasions, this is already apparent with racials anyway. You can notice that your racial XP is not in line with your actual XP. Not entirely sure what causes this to happen but that is why I would imagine a racial change would be treated like the werewolf/vampire system and you'd have to earn XP yet again for that new line.
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  • AngryNord
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    AngryNord wrote: »
    Why not add a new world race(like for vamp and WW) called dragon born , where I can shout and my enemies will fly( just imagine in pvp ,how it will look).

    Yes, if you want the majority of players to quit and the game to get shut down within a year, that's an excellent idea.
    Otherwise, it is a really, really, really BAD idea.

    At least, the shout can be an uultimate (the morph can summon a dragon to do the shout).The rest can be passive and no active abilites.

    Oh my, he actually was serious :-(
  • AngryNord
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    Elsir wrote: »
    If it was a straight-up change of race on say your VR14 character from say Altmer to Breton, I imagine the main downside would be the fact you haven't levelled Breton passives. You've levelled Altmer passives. Thinking of it like the Werewolf/Vampire stuff. You can cure yourself of being one but if you should choose to go back to it, you've already levelled it, but if you choose the other, you've not yet levelled it and must start that over from scratch. On semi-rare occasions, this is already apparent with racials anyway. You can notice that your racial XP is not in line with your actual XP. Not entirely sure what causes this to happen but that is why I would imagine a racial change would be treated like the werewolf/vampire system and you'd have to earn XP yet again for that new line.

    Easily solved - after race change all achievements etc get wiped and you start at level 1 in the Coldharbour prison.
  • Elsir
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    AngryNord wrote: »
    Elsir wrote: »
    If it was a straight-up change of race on say your VR14 character from say Altmer to Breton, I imagine the main downside would be the fact you haven't levelled Breton passives. You've levelled Altmer passives. Thinking of it like the Werewolf/Vampire stuff. You can cure yourself of being one but if you should choose to go back to it, you've already levelled it, but if you choose the other, you've not yet levelled it and must start that over from scratch. On semi-rare occasions, this is already apparent with racials anyway. You can notice that your racial XP is not in line with your actual XP. Not entirely sure what causes this to happen but that is why I would imagine a racial change would be treated like the werewolf/vampire system and you'd have to earn XP yet again for that new line.

    Easily solved - after race change all achievements etc get wiped and you start at level 1 in the Coldharbour prison.

    I imagine that's more in line with creating a new character rather than the topic of this thread. If such a system were implemented, I most likely would not use it, understand. But on the topic of "downsides to changing your race", what I said is probably the most likely encountered downside. That and the fact that people will probably forget to respec before "changing" and not get back their racial skill points *cough* Werewolf/Vampire system
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  • Muizer
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    I know this may have been brought up many times.
    The ability to change your race after the character creation,
    but what are the downsides to be able to do that in eso?

    That's purely what this thread is about, and that's all I want to know. If there are cons, do they outweigh the positives depending on how the devs go about it?

    For example would it be a crown store purchase or in-game? Regardless if it makes sense to change your race in-mid game.

    In short, if you put your character on nirn having a particular race (s)he has to live with it like everyone else. Race change may have precedent in the lore, but not everything that has is common enough to devote a game mechanism to it. Race change is not a thing in Tamriel, that much is obvious. People live their lives the way they were born. So should your character. That's part of the game. If you can undo or change anything by just throwing money at it the game is diminished.
    Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!
  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    Why not add a new world race(like for vamp and WW) called dragon born , where I can shout and my enemies will fly( just imagine in pvp ,how it will look).

    Fus Roh Dah! :P
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    US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
    US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
    US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
    US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
    US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
    EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
    EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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  • Alucardo
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    People throw this acronym around a lot, and I have to ask, is there actually a fotm race at the moment?
    Edited by Alucardo on August 27, 2015 7:23AM
  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    I'm actually more interested in being able to go back and adjust little mistakes in the character creator for appearance adjustments, than anything else. Like for instance, if I got the voice slightly wrong, when I originally intended Voice G instead of Voice B, lets say. It might also be nice if there were a way to wear warpaint like a costume instead of it being part of character appearance. I love the Ashlander or Reachman or Mauloch-Orc, or barbaric looking or mephala style looking paints they have available for characters to wear but every time I consider it I just think to myself that it will bug me that they're wearing face paint at town while sipping tea with the queen. It just feels weird.
    US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
    US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
    US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
    US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
    US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
    US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
    EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
    EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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  • Van_0S
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    AngryNord wrote: »
    AngryNord wrote: »
    Why not add a new world race(like for vamp and WW) called dragon born , where I can shout and my enemies will fly( just imagine in pvp ,how it will look).

    Yes, if you want the majority of players to quit and the game to get shut down within a year, that's an excellent idea.
    Otherwise, it is a really, really, really BAD idea.

    At least, the shout can be an uultimate (the morph can summon a dragon to do the shout).The rest can be passive and no active abilites.

    Oh my, he actually was serious :-(

    No, I wasn't but I just want some new skill line,I know the dark brother hood skill line will come in the near future. Well for [snip] sake,just giving my opinion due to boredom as well having a better builds than race change ; )

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_Brett on August 27, 2015 8:26AM
  • MrGrimey
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    There are no fotm races, racial bonuses help but are not game breaking. That said, I'm sure there are a lot of people since launch that would like to change their race to better suit their play style, that and I'm sure zos needs to make more money with this game. No race, name, and appearance change items in the crown store is burning a big hole in their pocket
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