Are Champion Points ruining PVP?

Skiserony · August 2015

Yes

It's not ruining it, but it certainly is not balancing it.

Acrolas · August 2015

No

What's ruining PVP is that I can't just run back to the bank to get something to remove all these blood stains. Can anyone spare a Scroll of Vinegar? Panacea of Peroxide? I have a date in an hour and don't want to smell like the back side of a Rawl'kha bath house.

icontested · August 2015

Acrolas wrote: »

What's ruining PVP is that I can't just run back to the bank to get something to remove all these blood stains. Can anyone spare a Scroll of Vinegar? Panacea of Peroxide? I have a date in an hour and don't want to smell like the back side of a Rawl'kha bath house.

I was wondering how long we would be separated at birth.. That is over now. Unfortunately we cannot be friends, this world is not allowed to have us align. See ya

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

No

CP is not ruining PvP. Players who abuse and exploit CP and other mechanics are.

newtinmpls · August 2015

Maybe.

For me, what "ruins" PvP is that IF I am in a campaign where I am constantly 1 or 2 shotted, then two things are happening.

1-I have to spend a LOT of time "getting back" from where ever I rezzed to.

2-I'm not getting a chance to learn HOW to fight.

Either one makes it much less enjoyable (for me) and the combination makes me overall prefer PvE.

QuebraRegra · August 2015

Yes

Listen to Brian Wheeler, he has the solution:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We are still looking to add non-Champion point campaigns, but it's not easy to do as people have noted. When we have an ETA we'll post it for you all though

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2082859/#Comment_2082859

jkemmery · August 2015

No

Champion points aren't 'ruining' PVP, but they do create a significant advantage for players with say 300 or more. Still, of all the things that make playing in Cyrodiil a pain, the fact that there are some players who can pretty much one shot 90% of the opponents they face isn't really the biggest issue. Lag, crashes and broken mechanics like the Meteor/Dawnbreaker exploit are far more serious concerns, for me at least. And yeah, I leveled up DawnBreaker and went and found all the lore books to get Meteor myself. If you can't beat them at your game, at least try to beat them at theirs. I have a V14 DK and about 115 cp right now, and I can survive pretty well in Cyrodiil as long as I don't do anything too stupid. Most of the time lately I can manage a 2:1 or better kill ratio, but I can't go out and 1vX all day long either. So even a relatively new V14 player can still go out and enjoy PvP in Cyrodiil despite the imbalance of CP.

Ragnaroek93 · August 2015

Yes

Actually it does ruin the whole game. I don't know how people can argue about that because it is obvious. The ones who are voting with No are probably the permagrinders or people playing on console who haven't seen the huge powergap this stupid champion system creates over time. A game needs new players. Who the hell will start this game in a year if he/she realises that they can never catch up? Friends who ask me how TESO is and if it is worth buying I'm just explaining how the champion system works and guess what: The reaction is not "wow, I always wanted to play a game designed for permagrinders with no catch up mechanic". I see the permagrinder who actually like the system in one year saying "omfg nearly no players, wtf ZOS your game sux".

I don't get it. They want to remove VR because it takes too long and the powergap is too big and want to replace it with something that is 100 times worse. There is NO way this PvP can be competive against games like LoL, Starcraft or CS:GO. Not in such a terrible state. Yes there are horrible bugs but bugs can be fixed while the champion system will kill the game over time.

I really like the game but I feel like that the developers don't want me to play their game. And no, I don't consider zombie grind as endgame.
Seems like I have to play GW2 even if I like TESO more but I won't play a game with a design created by mad developers who actually think the champion system is a good idea (and I feel sorry for every developer doing a great job in ESO).

crytantrevors · August 2015

No

The only thing ruining pvp is people who complain because they dont know how to adapt to the unique playstyle this game offers. Everything was play tested internally by the devs and balanced before the game was shiped so stop complaining because you suck and play the game to learn how to survive properly

Justice31st · August 2015

Yes

The only way to combat champion points is to re roll a Nightblade and gank people (like the other guy did on a recent thread.)

neueregel · August 2015

No

what is ruining PVP is that I can actually die! I mean wtf is up with that? I should win at everything!

tplink3r1 · August 2015

No

No, casuals crying on the forums are.

Funkopotamus · August 2015

Yes

Anyone that says no has not ran or seen the test and results that prove exactly how badly CP's destroy PvP.

And you know what.. The people that tried to fight this a few months back and try to get ZOS to understand are now GONE and no longer play.

There were test and spreadsheets showing EXACTLY how much of an advantage CP's give per point breakdowns the works.

We are as another poster said yesterday just fighting a house fire and running in there when the house is in ashes around us..

Also with the way CP's work some people say that the player "Earned the right to be stronger. On some level I can agree sure ON THAT CHARACTER he did NOT earn the right for his level 12 toon to have Troll stats/advantages.

Basically you are saying he has a right to troll lower levels!
Sorry but this system is FAIL!

Wait you people do know that CP's CAN and ARE being used on non vet level 12s right?.....right?

TheBull · August 2015

No

starkerealm wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

You should have asked if champion points & Macros are ruining pvp

You keep posting that image. I keep laughing at it. Clearly something's wrong here.

It's like my best meme ever.

ahstin2001nub18_ESO · August 2015

No

this crap is getting old. drop it already. the constant whining about CPs imbalancing PVP, is a moot one since you are there in a group. if you want solo pvp then this aint the place for you. if you want group based PVP then have fun and stop crying because someone who has been at it for substantially longer than you kicks your ass.

don't give that stupid "math" of "well 300 points is X" and "1600 points will do x". the best farm spot i have found is about around an average of 45 minutes per point. lets just keep it simple and call it 1 hour a point. that means you have to play/grind 300 hours for those points or 1600 hours for those points. .....oh, you are one of those.... okay, so lets say it takes 30 mins per champion point then. that means they have to grind/play 150 hours for those 300 points or 800 hours for the 1600 points. get a grip- someone who is THAT psychotically devoted, is probably going to be better by virtue of their OCD of being better than you....

im all for a no-CP pvp server, so instead of whining about the "imbalance" ill suggest, make a no-CP pvp server. see, bring a solution to the problem and maybe ZoS can do something for ya

Ragnaroek93 · August 2015

Yes

So if people say the CP system is bad they are just haters, need to l2p or are moronic casuals who actually have a life out there even if that sounds incredible stupid to some people here (you now, real life with real weather and not only s.hit storm like on every gaming forum).
That's actually funny because the haters are the ones who care about the game and want to help to improve it and the casuals are the ones keeping the game alive and not the 5% of nolifers.

Funkopotamus · August 2015

Yes

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

So if people say the CP system is bad they are just haters, need to l2p or are moronic casuals who actually have a life out there even if that sounds incredible stupid to some people here (you now, real life with real weather and not only s.hit storm like on every gaming forum).
That's actually funny because the haters are the ones who care about the game and want to help to improve it and the casuals are the ones keeping the game alive and not the 5% of nolifers.

How does me grinding mobs 1 hourX1 pointX 1600 HOURS! make me a nolyfer?

I mean it is only 66 FULL DAYS of my nolyfe I am missing here.. lol

If you do the math correctly you will get the number 66.6 on your calculator... Therefore this system is the DEVIL!

Most_Awesome · August 2015

Yes

This is what it does with in Non Vet PvP mixed in with other broken mechanics
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2176719#Comment_2176719

Suru · August 2015

No

CP is just another scapegoat to people complaining. Nerf nerf, Only dieing because he has X amount more CP than me same ol same ol.

Dru1076 · August 2015

Yes

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

this crap is getting old. drop it already. the constant whining about CPs imbalancing PVP, is a moot one since you are there in a group. if you want solo pvp then this aint the place for you. if you want group based PVP then have fun and stop crying because someone who has been at it for substantially longer than you kicks your ass.

don't give that stupid "math" of "well 300 points is X" and "1600 points will do x". the best farm spot i have found is about around an average of 45 minutes per point. lets just keep it simple and call it 1 hour a point. that means you have to play/grind 300 hours for those points or 1600 hours for those points. .....oh, you are one of those.... okay, so lets say it takes 30 mins per champion point then. that means they have to grind/play 150 hours for those 300 points or 800 hours for the 1600 points. get a grip- someone who is THAT psychotically devoted, is probably going to be better by virtue of their OCD of being better than you....

im all for a no-CP pvp server, so instead of whining about the "imbalance" ill suggest, make a no-CP pvp server. see, bring a solution to the problem and maybe ZoS can do something for ya

Well put. Oh wait...no it isn't. Fact is, my whining about whining friend, that the solution you suggest was put forward MONTHS ago, and is being looked into.

So I'll instead of complaining about complaining, which is really stupid, perhaps you should try asking Zos to hurry up? When CP free campaigns are available, the whining that pains you so very much will disappear. Try taking your own advice instead of accusing concerned people about talking crap, when they are actually discussing what is seen as real problem by a large portion of the community.

MisterBigglesworth · August 2015

Yes

Here's my Top 5 regarding what's "ruining PvP":

#5 - Class imbalance
#4 - Champion System
#3 - Lack of softcaps (extreme burst/extreme regen)
#2 - Lag

#1 - The overall design of the Alliance War, including the ability to essentially "server transfer" at will, no population control, no population balance, basically a game designed in such a way that the hardware seemingly cannot support.

dday3six · August 2015

No

By themselves CP aren't ruining PVP. Players use CP as a boogeyman catch-all to focus on, but if a player flat out refuses to make an effort to optimize their character, they cannot expect to keep up with players who do. CP needs a seasonal cap, and should most likely not apply in non-vet campaigns. However a non-cp vet campaign is just going to be the hunting grounds of well geared, well organized players.

Mojmir · August 2015

No

I put all my cps into lag and polls, come at me wit dem nerfs

Dru1076 · August 2015

Yes

dday3six wrote: »

By themselves CP aren't ruining PVP. Players use CP as a boogeyman catch-all to focus on, but if a player flat out refuses to make an effort to optimize their character, they cannot expect to keep up with players who do. CP needs a seasonal cap, and should most likely not apply in non-vet campaigns. However a non-cp vet campaign is just going to be the hunting grounds of well geared, well organized players.

Thing is, a casual can get the gear, and get organised. What they cant do is keep up with the cp grind.

I don't think cp have ruined pvp for everyone. But it destroyed it for casuals like myself. But its just a cp free campaign or two away from a solution.

Tolmos · August 2015

Yes

Dru1076 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

By themselves CP aren't ruining PVP. Players use CP as a boogeyman catch-all to focus on, but if a player flat out refuses to make an effort to optimize their character, they cannot expect to keep up with players who do. CP needs a seasonal cap, and should most likely not apply in non-vet campaigns. However a non-cp vet campaign is just going to be the hunting grounds of well geared, well organized players.

Thing is, a casual can get the gear, and get organised. What they cant do is keep up with the cp grind.

I don't think cp have ruined pvp for everyone. But it destroyed it for casuals like myself. But its just a cp free campaign or two away from a solution.

This. So much this.

starkerealm · August 2015

No

Dru1076 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

By themselves CP aren't ruining PVP. Players use CP as a boogeyman catch-all to focus on, but if a player flat out refuses to make an effort to optimize their character, they cannot expect to keep up with players who do. CP needs a seasonal cap, and should most likely not apply in non-vet campaigns. However a non-cp vet campaign is just going to be the hunting grounds of well geared, well organized players.

Thing is, a casual can get the gear, and get organised. What they cant do is keep up with the cp grind.

I don't think cp have ruined pvp for everyone. But it destroyed it for casuals like myself. But its just a cp free campaign or two away from a solution.

That's not going to fix anything for you. Because you'll still be going up against VR16s, in full 16 gear, and getting wrecked. Right now, you can say, "oh, it's the CP!" Which, it's not. But once the IC hits, that VR16 gear will actually give players greater advantage than any hypothetical CP count over your head will.

dday3six · August 2015

No

Dru1076 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

By themselves CP aren't ruining PVP. Players use CP as a boogeyman catch-all to focus on, but if a player flat out refuses to make an effort to optimize their character, they cannot expect to keep up with players who do. CP needs a seasonal cap, and should most likely not apply in non-vet campaigns. However a non-cp vet campaign is just going to be the hunting grounds of well geared, well organized players.

Thing is, a casual can get the gear, and get organised. What they cant do is keep up with the cp grind.

I don't think cp have ruined pvp for everyone. But it destroyed it for casuals like myself. But its just a cp free campaign or two away from a solution.

I am assuming by causal you mean someone who doesn't play much or doesn't have much time to play.

Yes they could get gear, however that is still a grind, maybe not comparable to CP, but it depends on either rng, or funds if it can be bought. I feel it disingenuous to say this grind is accessible, but this grind is not.

cinnamonbooty · August 2015

Oreyn: I really like the Morrowind reference... "Helm of Oreyn Bearclaw" quest is ringing bells

JD2013 · August 2015

No

No.

Granted there certainly is a gap, and that is undeniable. However the biggest thing ruining PVP aside from the server lag is people who's feelings get hurt every time their virtual character gets a boo-boo in Cyrodiil and come here and ask for more nerfs.

We do not need more nerfs.

Dru1076 · August 2015

Yes

starkerealm wrote: »

Dru1076 wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

By themselves CP aren't ruining PVP. Players use CP as a boogeyman catch-all to focus on, but if a player flat out refuses to make an effort to optimize their character, they cannot expect to keep up with players who do. CP needs a seasonal cap, and should most likely not apply in non-vet campaigns. However a non-cp vet campaign is just going to be the hunting grounds of well geared, well organized players.

Thing is, a casual can get the gear, and get organised. What they cant do is keep up with the cp grind.

I don't think cp have ruined pvp for everyone. But it destroyed it for casuals like myself. But its just a cp free campaign or two away from a solution.

That's not going to fix anything for you. Because you'll still be going up against VR16s, in full 16 gear, and getting wrecked. Right now, you can say, "oh, it's the CP!" Which, it's not. But once the IC hits, that VR16 gear will actually give players greater advantage than any hypothetical CP count over your head will.

Um...your wrong. It might take a year for me to get this gear you speak of, but its not behind a time progression wall. The only thing that separates me and other gamers really is time available to grind. And the only reason to grind is cp. I will never understand the emphasis placed upon time progression in these games, at least beyond a certain point. I wish people would stop trying to talk casuals put of playing this game.i am already play in bg a different game, but i would like to see ESO make me feel welcome and wanted again eventually.

Cp free campaigns WOULD fix everything for me.