Soooo now that we've all enjoyed the Arch-mage nerf joke, can we get serious and revert it?
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Let's not ruin more end-game item sets. Thanks.
Seriously, if someone wants to commit their entire item build to Arch-mage + Seducer for 16% cost reduction with only one line of spell damage, be my guest. I don't see how that is considered a problem... Sure, they'll have high sustain, but they'll have next to no damage. Healers rejoice perhaps? Woopee doo. They can achieve infinite spam with other sets already. There is literally no argument to justify this nerf.
Use logic, ZoS.
Seriously, if someone wants to commit their entire item build to Arch-mage + Seducer for 16% cost reduction with only one line of spell damage, be my guest. I don't see how that is considered a problem... Sure, they'll have high sustain, but they'll have next to no damage. Healers rejoice perhaps? Woopee doo. They can achieve infinite spam with other sets already. There is literally no argument to justify this nerf.
Use logic, ZoS.
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✭✭✭Yeah, it's a shame.
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✭✭✭The new set does fit the goal of making the game more interactive and funny.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)1 -
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✭✭Or maybe getting to 70% cost reduction defeats the purpose of limiting resources as control mechanism? Not that 62% is much better, but at least it's a little improvement.0 -
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✭✭✭@PBpsy If by interactive you mean noone ever using the set again because it is so useless, and if by funny you mean its funny to laugh at all those people that actually spent gold and/or AP on getting their full (V14) archmage set ( not me
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It's funny that they still think that adding another incentive to the oh so interactive full heavy attacks, will convince more people to use the least dynamic and most painful to watch feature in the game.Edited by PBpsy on August 24, 2015 11:10AMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If they insist on not giving arch-mage set back the 8% cost reduction (that seducer set kept) they should atleast make the 5set bonus something useful and not entirely useless, like it is on pts now.
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✭✭@PBpsy If by interactive you mean noone ever using the set again because it is so useless, and if by funny you mean its funny to laugh at all those people that actually spent gold and/or AP on getting their full (V14) archmage set ( not me ), then i agree.
It's funny that they still think that adding another incentive to the oh so interactive full heavy attacks, will convince more people to use the least dynamic and most painful to watch feature in the game.
At this point it's just the obligatory incentive to use more fully charged heavy attacks that comes with every update now.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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Spell damage set bonuses should be reduced. Also, it's hit by the biggest possible nerf bat: It does not drop at V16, if I remember correctly.2 -
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Yea unless they added it to the worthy-bags, wich I doubt, but noone knows yet whats in there.
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Didn't they say on one of them podcasts, that "those will contain the Sets found in mystery boxes before, but not all of them"? That would pretty much mean you can't get it. But that is hear-say on my account, I don't watch commercials
Yea unless they added it to the worthy-bags, wich I doubt, but noone knows yet whats in there.
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✭✭Haven't you heard ? All crafting in U7 got nerfed cause trail players and players who grind for drop sets were complaining that crafted sets were better than end game sets. So drop sets more powerful crafted sets less powerful.
Thing is if crafted sets were so much more powerful than trail gear ( And not saying it is most drops sets are better than most crafted gear) then why not use that instead of wasting time on trying to get dropped gear. Craft some gear and do better in those silly trials and actually enjoy the content instead of treating it like a chore.2 -
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✭Can someone please link or explain? How did they nerf it.... Also please explain... You have 7 armor slots and two weapon slots... thats 9... iirc Archmage has no jewelry... Isnt it impossible to get both seducer and archmage set bonuses?
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nevermind, archmage has a necklace. Can someone post the new set bonus for archmage? I cant check at the moment.Edited by Xeven on August 24, 2015 4:38PM0 -
Stalwart385✭✭✭✭Can someone please link or explain? How did they nerf it.... Also please explain... You have 7 armor slots and two weapon slots... thats 9... iirc Archmage has no jewelry... Isnt it impossible to get both seducer and archmage set bonuses?
Pretty sure Archmage has a neck. I was curious what the 5 piece was also. Sounds like it activates with fully charged heavy attacks.Edited by Stalwart385 on August 24, 2015 4:39PM0 -
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There is another new dropset with the exact same 2,3 and 4 piece boni in v16 just forgot the namePC,EU, EP
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✭✭✭✭Or maybe getting to 70% cost reduction defeats the purpose of limiting resources as control mechanism? Not that 62% is much better, but at least it's a little improvement.
Maximum Cost reduction is actually 42%*.877 (36.834%) on live as a Sorc in 7/7 Light using Archmage/seducer. Even with Triple Legendary Magicka cost reduction enchants and 100 CPs into Magician (which is a terrible idea unless you're rocking 1200+ CPs) you're still only at ~%59 Cost reduction and you've sacrificed your entire set bonus and jewelry enchant allocation to get there.
As one of the first players in the game using Archmage/Seducer combo who used it from then up until now I would still drop it in favor of other sets unless they released it in a V16 version (which I think it will only go to V15).Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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✭✭As one of the first players in the game using Archmage/Seducer combo who used it from then up until now I would still drop it in favor of other sets unless they released it in a V16 version (which I think it will only go to V15).
I'm not really sure why they nerfed ArchMage. Even if it could be acquired in v16 people would drop it. As people accrue more and more CPs, regen and cost reduction become less important. All will be traded to maximize weapon or spell damage (and stats) over the next few months. Those w/ 400+ CPs should already be doing this.
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✭✭Who cares what the max cost reduction is as long as you have to trade damage for the sustain? I wouldn't care if people could achieve 100% cost reduction if the got no spell damage from the build path. Spam your puny attacks all you want. This nerf is completely uncalled for.
No one will ever use fully charged heavy attacks with the new bonus anyway. It's too desperate for what you get out of it.0 -
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✭I will say this. My magicka sustain is noticeably lower on PTS and streak isnt even on my bar. The one decent set magicka users got increases cost of all abilties by one third! Meanwhile the cost of every stamina ability in the game was reduced by one fifth!
Now they're nerfing old magicka sustain gear! Really?
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✭✭✭✭✭Heavy attacks became pretty lame. They used to be great in 1.5
First they nerfed the restored amount of ressources by making it a very low fix amount instead of a percentage an then they also heavily nerfed the speed of heavy attacks during 1.6 pts.
Wish they would just restore heavy attacks
but on the other hand, managing ressources is already too easy for many people.
And @Xeven I agree with you.Edited by Dracane on August 24, 2015 7:37PMAuri-El is my lord,
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✭✭✭Heavy attacks became pretty lame. They used to be great in 1.5
First they nerfed the restored amount of ressources by making it a very low fix amount instead of a percentage an then they also heavily nerfed the speed of heavy attacks during 1.6 pts.
Wish they would just restore heavy attacks but on the other hand, managing ressources is already too easy for many people.
And @Xeven I agree with you.
The developers aren't able to understand the difference between incentive and disincentive.Rest in Peace:
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✭✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »Heavy attacks became pretty lame. They used to be great in 1.5
First they nerfed the restored amount of ressources by making it a very low fix amount instead of a percentage an then they also heavily nerfed the speed of heavy attacks during 1.6 pts.
Wish they would just restore heavy attacks but on the other hand, managing ressources is already too easy for many people.
And @Xeven I agree with you.
The developers aren't able to understand the difference between incentive and disincentive.
What exactly do you mean ? You mean, they overnerf things ?
I know, you said something else. But I don't understand it to be honest and why you said this. Please say again with other words 
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✭Was there any statement on why they buffed high elf regen and then took it away? So much indecisiveness from the devs. They should have TERABYTES of data on regen, popularity of item sets-skills-enchants-traits-mundus stones... Kill death ratios for each class etc etc etc! Why in the world would you nerf arch mage?
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✭✭@PBpsy If by interactive you mean noone ever using the set again because it is so useless, and if by funny you mean its funny to laugh at all those people that actually spent gold and/or AP on getting their full (V14) archmage set ( not me ), then i agree.
It's funny that they still think that adding another incentive to the oh so interactive full heavy attacks, will convince more people to use the least dynamic and most painful to watch feature in the game.
At this point it's just the obligatory incentive to use more fully charged heavy attacks that comes with every update now.
Gawd, I thought I might've been the only one that hated using heavy attacks and found them less fun
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✭nimander99 wrote: »@PBpsy If by interactive you mean noone ever using the set again because it is so useless, and if by funny you mean its funny to laugh at all those people that actually spent gold and/or AP on getting their full (V14) archmage set ( not me ), then i agree.
It's funny that they still think that adding another incentive to the oh so interactive full heavy attacks, will convince more people to use the least dynamic and most painful to watch feature in the game.
At this point it's just the obligatory incentive to use more fully charged heavy attacks that comes with every update now.
Gawd, I thought I might've been the only one that hated using heavy attacks and found them less fun
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Halfwitte✭✭✭jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »Let's not ruin more end-game item sets. Thanks.
Seriously, if someone wants to commit their entire item build to Arch-mage + Seducer for 16% cost reduction with only one line of spell damage, be my guest. I don't see how that is considered a problem... Sure, they'll have high sustain, but they'll have next to no damage. Healers rejoice perhaps? Woopee doo. They can achieve infinite spam with other sets already. There is literally no argument to justify this nerf.
Use logic, ZoS.
Did you just ask ZoS to use logic? /GASP
That's like asking.... Yeah couldn't think of anything else that was equally absurd.
ZoS probably deemed the set "not fun" and changed it to the "more fun" variant and undoubtedly this change will be very near and dear to their hearts so they will be unwilling to revert or compromise on any future changes.
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Bringing "Fun" back to America 1 inexplicable nerf at a time.Edited by Halfwitte on August 25, 2015 6:59AM4
