Yonkit wrote: »

Yah... but the only problem with AZ right now is that yellow has been rofl'd there night after night. Without either TKO or decibel there to at least put up something of a defense, it's just been a bolstered blue fighting a slightly weakened red with yellow sometimes being a momentary diversion. They haven't had their own scrolls for a week now, and I know it's because many of the good yellow players say it's the lag so they just refuse to play there, but that means that yellow just is tryign to make three non-competitive campaigns instead of having fights in one campaign?

Honestly I don't know why GoS would've left Hade, which has competition appropriate to their strength, decent activity, and was in sore need of a red presence to leave for an even more one-dimensional server. Keep hade good and balanced, then work on the other campaigns, but utnil some of the puglets from blue and red spread out to thorn and chill, it will not happen.

We havent left fully, but honestly the PvP got very stale. It was always the same yellows or blues, and most of the time the yellows would just surrender into a corner until our numbers dwindled and then come out in force and recap the map while we didnt have enough to do anything with.

The only good fights we really saw were with LoM or VE and theyve been rather busy lately.

Then again Thorn hasnt really been much of a thing either. The yellows there (besides TM) couldnt fight out of a wet paper bag. We could have made a dozen 1vX videos EACH off of those players. Like honest to god terribad. Its why were were on AZ and Haderus again last night, we needed something to actually chew on.

Unfortunately AZ has wayyyyyy too much lag in prime to even be remotely fun.

I dont think Thorn is going to last, but it is rebalancing some AD I guess. I saw all the thorn AD on haderus

manny254 wrote: »

I just hope you all scream "RAID BOSSES DOWN"

I remember getting world ninth or tenth Sindragosa hard mode back in the day and the screaming / excitement that ensued thereafter. Sometimes when we're 3 or 4 people and manage to wipe half their zerg raid, when they take us out this is what I imagine them doing.

Mojican is totally right here.

It's not that groups have to run 24 - 48 (and often more) deep to fight like groups, they roll that deep to take a resource from 5 players or a keep that is almost undefended. That's kind of sad. I mean, more power to you if you want to play in giant zergs, I don't and it shouldn't be the only option in how to play this game. Face it, if you have to run that many people to accomplish something in pvp, you aren't very skilled and won't learn much or improve either (I mean, I guess considering our much smaller group usually wipes groups three times our size, I can kind of see why they are scared to run smaller groups, but it's sad). But, the only thing worse than fighting fifty people with ten is the lag and the fact that even with those numbers, the only reason they flip flags or succeed is due to the lag. Why play in that? I mean, I want to play player vs player, not player vs broken game.

With the lack of zos' effort to discourage zerging and/or fix lag and the players that are too afraid to not have two dozen bodies surrounding them, the game is less and less fun and more and more people are leaving. Why would I continue to play in lag or against groups that have to unite the entire faction in order to take one keep from a dozen people? lol I play to have fun, have good fights, etc. and neither of those are happening and the advice from anyone to zerg up is equally stupid because that's not fun either, it's just sad.

Crown wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

I just hope you all scream "RAID BOSSES DOWN"

I remember getting world ninth or tenth Sindragosa hard mode back in the day and the screaming / excitement that ensued thereafter. Sometimes when we're 3 or 4 people and manage to wipe half their zerg raid, when they take us out this is what I imagine them doing.

Funny story.....I took a 6 month break and came back to the game in January. First night back I came into Cyrodiil and was like wow I don't have 5 fps but WTF is this lag I'm experiencing. I was running around solo and said LFG in zone when a long lost buddy from a guild I ran with at launch invited me to the raid he was in that was protecting BRK. When I got there BRK was basically being swiss cheesed by 3+ AD raids. When I asked who the multiple guilds were I got a resounding "Crown Zerg".

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Funny story.....I took a 6 month break and came back to the game in January. First night back I came into Cyrodiil and was like wow I don't have 5 fps but WTF is this lag I'm experiencing. I was running around solo and said LFG in zone when a long lost buddy from a guild I ran with at launch invited me to the raid he was in that was protecting BRK. When I got there BRK was basically being swiss cheesed by 3+ AD raids. When I asked who the multiple guilds were I got a resounding "Crown Zerg".

First take a look at my post at http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171263/that-crown-lag/p1

I've heard that a lot. Not a day goes by that i don't get at least a dozen whispers of people complaining that I'm the root cause of all the lag in every campaign and all the starving kids in Africa. It's been about two months since I've had crown in a group larger than 16 (I've participated in a few led by others), and it's very rare in the past month that my group is larger than 8.

The PvP Alliance guild (for guild leaders) was disbanded about a month (or two?) ago due to AD not cooperating and mostly telling each other to eff-off when asked for help or to coordinate something. There seems to be more inter-guild hate in our faction than anything else.

People need someone to blame, and I'm the easy answer.

The AD guild that runs multiple full groups (last week they had a 5th group start during their raid night) is known by everyone, and you'll note that almost everyone else (myself included) leaves the campaign on their raid nights to get away from the lag. We mostly leave the campaign during prime time when the lag gets bad any time.. Tonight was no exception. Both DC and EP were running multiple full 24 person raids, and my group of 7 couldn't do anything in the lag. When there was no lag, we wiped a lot of them easily, but when it takes 30 seconds for damage to catch up it's the group with the most output during that 30 seconds who will win - and strategy / technique / skill be damned.

Rylana wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Yah... but the only problem with AZ right now is that yellow has been rofl'd there night after night. Without either TKO or decibel there to at least put up something of a defense, it's just been a bolstered blue fighting a slightly weakened red with yellow sometimes being a momentary diversion. They haven't had their own scrolls for a week now, and I know it's because many of the good yellow players say it's the lag so they just refuse to play there, but that means that yellow just is tryign to make three non-competitive campaigns instead of having fights in one campaign?

Honestly I don't know why GoS would've left Hade, which has competition appropriate to their strength, decent activity, and was in sore need of a red presence to leave for an even more one-dimensional server. Keep hade good and balanced, then work on the other campaigns, but utnil some of the puglets from blue and red spread out to thorn and chill, it will not happen.

We havent left fully, but honestly the PvP got very stale. It was always the same yellows or blues, and most of the time the yellows would just surrender into a corner until our numbers dwindled and then come out in force and recap the map while we didnt have enough to do anything with.

The only good fights we really saw were with LoM or VE and theyve been rather busy lately.

Then again Thorn hasnt really been much of a thing either. The yellows there (besides TM) couldnt fight out of a wet paper bag. We could have made a dozen 1vX videos EACH off of those players. Like honest to god terribad. Its why were were on AZ and Haderus again last night, we needed something to actually chew on.

Unfortunately AZ has wayyyyyy too much lag in prime to even be remotely fun.

I dont think Thorn is going to last, but it is rebalancing some AD I guess. I saw all the thorn AD on haderus

Im going to disagree with this haha, while we dont run every night anymore, many many times have we come on to fight reds and GoS emps to get the dethrone while maintaining about 45-50k/hr.

Could definitely use reds on haderus. Last night Nexus was on and we were having some ~16 on ~16 stuff, and it was the best PvP I have had in several weeks honestly. Zero skill lag or any lag of the sort. Could actually use novas, veils, etc. It was how the game should be played IMO, and it was extremely fun while it lasted.

And yonkit, that logic is extremely flawed. If I could even have 50% of my fights on AZ not lag, maybe we would play there. But I would say 80%+ of our fights lag. While we win the majority at first, it is just garbage and eventually we end up in a small group. And we all know once lag kicks in, the people with larger groups see alot more success.

manny254 wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Yah... but the only problem with AZ right now is that yellow has been rofl'd there night after night. Without either TKO or decibel there to at least put up something of a defense, it's just been a bolstered blue fighting a slightly weakened red with yellow sometimes being a momentary diversion. They haven't had their own scrolls for a week now, and I know it's because many of the good yellow players say it's the lag so they just refuse to play there, but that means that yellow just is tryign to make three non-competitive campaigns instead of having fights in one campaign?

Honestly I don't know why GoS would've left Hade, which has competition appropriate to their strength, decent activity, and was in sore need of a red presence to leave for an even more one-dimensional server. Keep hade good and balanced, then work on the other campaigns, but utnil some of the puglets from blue and red spread out to thorn and chill, it will not happen.

So we should just all go and play in something we hate and despise? Lag simply pisses me off, and every day I am loosing friends who can no longer take it. Not to mention the countless people who have already left. Play in lag without a 24 man zerg. Play in lag when you are in a group of 7-12 and are fighting 3 raids. You will not want to have any part of it.

Here is a little secret most EP and DC haven't realized yet. AD has had almost no organization for the last few months. Most AD guilds do not run every night, and the BS that is this game makes them run less and less. Hell my guild has not had a true group in over a week. Misfitz is the only guild I know of that runs group everyday, and they vary greatly in power depending on who is leading or how much of their more core players are on. They also normally start to wind down earlier than most of the EP and DC guilds.

Normally AD zone chat gets flooded by 3 letters "LFG". All the more experienced players are simply so jaded that they don't wan't to put up with the BS that is what this game has devolved into. Instead of blaming us for not wanting to play in your 24 man groups why don't you spread the F out!!! This game is being destroyed, and those doing it care not.

Such as your glorious leader who told me to "stop taking on fights you can never win". Because you know I should just not defend keeps while VE does *** right? We should just all ignore the objective and let you do what ever you want. That would not hurt PVP at all would it? We should make your face roll night cap even easier right? This game was meant to only be played with 24 people right? Wow I see no problem with this. Great Idea lets just all evaluate a fight based off of one quick check.

Are you in a 24 man group? Yes? No? If no leave Cyrodiil. His method is ground breaking!!!

Well sir it would seem AD has taken on your advice and wants no part in your BS. If he wants to kill pvp he is on the right track. I will continue to laugh at your 24 man raid popping 4 barriers to deal with the damage of 8 people. I just hope you all scream "RAID BOSSES DOWN" because that is how pathetic it is. Have fun destroying the game.

I like how you choose to quote me completely out of context. Lets review the story. You were busy whispering me trashing me and my guild because you couldn't beat our "zerg" of twenty four players with a measly eight. Putting aside your poor math skills, I never once whispered you and told you that you were bad for playing that way. If you want to run with 8 that is completely up to you. But do not get frustrated at me for playing with the intended max group size. I dont care if you think 16 or 12 or 8 should be the cap. It is NOT. I told you to stop taking on fights you can't win if you're so upset over losing. Stick to fields where your 8 man can gank noobs off their horses. You'll succeed there. You will never win with 8 against a skilled 24 man raid. This game was advertised as a MASSIVE SCALE PVP game. Its inability to handle such large scale fights is an entirely different problem/question. The max group size is 24, if you cannot handle that, perhaps you should find another game. Everyone hates the lag, but I am not going to stop playing or grouping the way Zenimax intended because you want to cry over it. Get over it, get a real raid together, and push back. There is no question Zenimax needs to fix their ***, but do not try and blame a guild for it. That is pathetic.

Gets Emp at best possible time. (10 AM. can hold that for 12 hrs easy and probably make 600k ap.) logs out after 20 min cause im bored. I'm being affected by this games lag even when it dosent lag. PVP is pretty much a joke since launch. (exploits, bad mechanics, lag) In this games current state, I take none of this seriously and neither should all of you. Maybe if the devs show concern for their own game, hotfixing exploits/bugs, keeping players more in the loop on lag issues, I MIGHT think differently. If they dont care, why should I care? I suggest you all take a chill pill and say f**k it. As for the players spreading out, come back to reality. Never going to happen.


-Me

x99Needles wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Yah... but the only problem with AZ right now is that yellow has been rofl'd there night after night. Without either TKO or decibel there to at least put up something of a defense, it's just been a bolstered blue fighting a slightly weakened red with yellow sometimes being a momentary diversion. They haven't had their own scrolls for a week now, and I know it's because many of the good yellow players say it's the lag so they just refuse to play there, but that means that yellow just is tryign to make three non-competitive campaigns instead of having fights in one campaign?

Honestly I don't know why GoS would've left Hade, which has competition appropriate to their strength, decent activity, and was in sore need of a red presence to leave for an even more one-dimensional server. Keep hade good and balanced, then work on the other campaigns, but utnil some of the puglets from blue and red spread out to thorn and chill, it will not happen.

So we should just all go and play in something we hate and despise? Lag simply pisses me off, and every day I am loosing friends who can no longer take it. Not to mention the countless people who have already left. Play in lag without a 24 man zerg. Play in lag when you are in a group of 7-12 and are fighting 3 raids. You will not want to have any part of it.

Here is a little secret most EP and DC haven't realized yet. AD has had almost no organization for the last few months. Most AD guilds do not run every night, and the BS that is this game makes them run less and less. Hell my guild has not had a true group in over a week. Misfitz is the only guild I know of that runs group everyday, and they vary greatly in power depending on who is leading or how much of their more core players are on. They also normally start to wind down earlier than most of the EP and DC guilds.

Normally AD zone chat gets flooded by 3 letters "LFG". All the more experienced players are simply so jaded that they don't wan't to put up with the BS that is what this game has devolved into. Instead of blaming us for not wanting to play in your 24 man groups why don't you spread the F out!!! This game is being destroyed, and those doing it care not.

Such as your glorious leader who told me to "stop taking on fights you can never win". Because you know I should just not defend keeps while VE does *** right? We should just all ignore the objective and let you do what ever you want. That would not hurt PVP at all would it? We should make your face roll night cap even easier right? This game was meant to only be played with 24 people right? Wow I see no problem with this. Great Idea lets just all evaluate a fight based off of one quick check.

Are you in a 24 man group? Yes? No? If no leave Cyrodiil. His method is ground breaking!!!

Well sir it would seem AD has taken on your advice and wants no part in your BS. If he wants to kill pvp he is on the right track. I will continue to laugh at your 24 man raid popping 4 barriers to deal with the damage of 8 people. I just hope you all scream "RAID BOSSES DOWN" because that is how pathetic it is. Have fun destroying the game.

I like how you choose to quote me completely out of context. Lets review the story. You were busy whispering me trashing me and my guild because you couldn't beat our "zerg" of twenty four players with a measly eight. Putting aside your poor math skills, I never once whispered you and told you that you were bad for playing that way. If you want to run with 8 that is completely up to you. But do not get frustrated at me for playing with the intended max group size. I dont care if you think 16 or 12 or 8 should be the cap. It is NOT. I told you to stop taking on fights you can't win if you're so upset over losing. Stick to fields where your 8 man can gank noobs off their horses. You'll succeed there. You will never win with 8 against a skilled 24 man raid. This game was advertised as a MASSIVE SCALE PVP game. Its inability to handle such large scale fights is an entirely different problem/question. The max group size is 24, if you cannot handle that, perhaps you should find another game. Everyone hates the lag, but I am not going to stop playing or grouping the way Zenimax intended because you want to cry over it. Get over it, get a real raid together, and push back. There is no question Zenimax needs to fix their ***, but do not try and blame a guild for it. That is pathetic.

You seem to have missed the entire point of my post. Yonkit was some how blaming AD for not wanting to play in lag or put up with DC/EP night capping the map with multiple raids vs unorganized pugs+ a few small groups. I used you as an anecdote as you fight unorganized pugs every night and call it a a "massive battle". There are no groups near your size to compete, but somehow you enjoy ROFL stomping things through the broken mechanics of Purge and Barrier.

The advertised argument is plaid out and silly. This game was also advertised as having an active and skill full combat system, but players such as your self who lack skill somehow excel. It was also advertised as an Elder Scrolls Game, and it sure as hell isn't that. The max group size argument is also horrid. I mean for months there existed ways within the game to chain pull a group into a keep, but that does not mean it is something you should do. (Heck I have seen people do it recently) Then of course you use the counter argument that 24 is an intended thing. Well a sorc getting their bat swarm to cost something like 7 ult was also considered "Working as Intended". It is also possible to get an entire faction into one giant zerg, but that does not mean we should do it. The devs barely have a clue about pvp anymore.

Telling me to not fight without a full group is out of context? lol I mean I understand you personally are unable to contribute to a keep battle without a full group, but some of us are more competent then that. BTW considering 8 people have wiped your raid group before I don't think you should call it impossible. Remember the night after you sent me that tell? You went to go harvest your crop of AD at the bridge and we caught you while you weren't paying attention. Then that same night you went to try and back cap drakelowe from us. You expected us to cower in the keep, but we pushed out and wiped half your group before you could ball up. Then of course 8 vs12 we destroy you. Then one of your members told me something hilarious "We don't wipe if we don't want to" "We could have won if we wanted" lol.

Back to another main point. The AD faction is on life support right now. As I said before the experienced players have either already left or are so jaded they don't see the point anymore. I feel one of the easiest ways to illustrate this is to talk about Alliance War Rank. On AD NA there are in total 2 players that have achieved General or Higher (I think I saw herk with warlord the other day). On EP there are too many to count, and DC had there own fare share. Why is this? Because most of the higher level players have quit the game or barely play anymore. Hell I am almost to level 39, and this would make me one of the higher level players on the faction. I have only really been a true hardcore pvp player for 5 months, and I am ahead of most of the active AD population that considers themselves pvp players. I really stopped pvping when 1.5 came out, and spent then and the first part of 1.6 playing pve.

I leave you with this to finish summarizing my feelings about ESO pvp right now. /Heartbroken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdc__fUqo6k&feature=youtu.be

manny254 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdc__fUqo6k&feature=youtu.be

Awesome video lol

manny254 wrote: »

x99Needles wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Yah... but the only problem with AZ right now is that yellow has been rofl'd there night after night. Without either TKO or decibel there to at least put up something of a defense, it's just been a bolstered blue fighting a slightly weakened red with yellow sometimes being a momentary diversion. They haven't had their own scrolls for a week now, and I know it's because many of the good yellow players say it's the lag so they just refuse to play there, but that means that yellow just is tryign to make three non-competitive campaigns instead of having fights in one campaign?

Honestly I don't know why GoS would've left Hade, which has competition appropriate to their strength, decent activity, and was in sore need of a red presence to leave for an even more one-dimensional server. Keep hade good and balanced, then work on the other campaigns, but utnil some of the puglets from blue and red spread out to thorn and chill, it will not happen.

So we should just all go and play in something we hate and despise? Lag simply pisses me off, and every day I am loosing friends who can no longer take it. Not to mention the countless people who have already left. Play in lag without a 24 man zerg. Play in lag when you are in a group of 7-12 and are fighting 3 raids. You will not want to have any part of it.

Here is a little secret most EP and DC haven't realized yet. AD has had almost no organization for the last few months. Most AD guilds do not run every night, and the BS that is this game makes them run less and less. Hell my guild has not had a true group in over a week. Misfitz is the only guild I know of that runs group everyday, and they vary greatly in power depending on who is leading or how much of their more core players are on. They also normally start to wind down earlier than most of the EP and DC guilds.

Normally AD zone chat gets flooded by 3 letters "LFG". All the more experienced players are simply so jaded that they don't wan't to put up with the BS that is what this game has devolved into. Instead of blaming us for not wanting to play in your 24 man groups why don't you spread the F out!!! This game is being destroyed, and those doing it care not.

Such as your glorious leader who told me to "stop taking on fights you can never win". Because you know I should just not defend keeps while VE does *** right? We should just all ignore the objective and let you do what ever you want. That would not hurt PVP at all would it? We should make your face roll night cap even easier right? This game was meant to only be played with 24 people right? Wow I see no problem with this. Great Idea lets just all evaluate a fight based off of one quick check.

Are you in a 24 man group? Yes? No? If no leave Cyrodiil. His method is ground breaking!!!

Well sir it would seem AD has taken on your advice and wants no part in your BS. If he wants to kill pvp he is on the right track. I will continue to laugh at your 24 man raid popping 4 barriers to deal with the damage of 8 people. I just hope you all scream "RAID BOSSES DOWN" because that is how pathetic it is. Have fun destroying the game.

I like how you choose to quote me completely out of context. Lets review the story. You were busy whispering me trashing me and my guild because you couldn't beat our "zerg" of twenty four players with a measly eight. Putting aside your poor math skills, I never once whispered you and told you that you were bad for playing that way. If you want to run with 8 that is completely up to you. But do not get frustrated at me for playing with the intended max group size. I dont care if you think 16 or 12 or 8 should be the cap. It is NOT. I told you to stop taking on fights you can't win if you're so upset over losing. Stick to fields where your 8 man can gank noobs off their horses. You'll succeed there. You will never win with 8 against a skilled 24 man raid. This game was advertised as a MASSIVE SCALE PVP game. Its inability to handle such large scale fights is an entirely different problem/question. The max group size is 24, if you cannot handle that, perhaps you should find another game. Everyone hates the lag, but I am not going to stop playing or grouping the way Zenimax intended because you want to cry over it. Get over it, get a real raid together, and push back. There is no question Zenimax needs to fix their ***, but do not try and blame a guild for it. That is pathetic.

You seem to have missed the entire point of my post. Yonkit was some how blaming AD for not wanting to play in lag or put up with DC/EP night capping the map with multiple raids vs unorganized pugs+ a few small groups. I used you as an anecdote as you fight unorganized pugs every night and call it a a "massive battle". There are no groups near your size to compete, but somehow you enjoy ROFL stomping things through the broken mechanics of Purge and Barrier.

The advertised argument is plaid out and silly. This game was also advertised as having an active and skill full combat system, but players such as your self who lack skill somehow excel. It was also advertised as an Elder Scrolls Game, and it sure as hell isn't that. The max group size argument is also horrid. I mean for months there existed ways within the game to chain pull a group into a keep, but that does not mean it is something you should do. (Heck I have seen people do it recently) Then of course you use the counter argument that 24 is an intended thing. Well a sorc getting their bat swarm to cost something like 7 ult was also considered "Working as Intended". It is also possible to get an entire faction into one giant zerg, but that does not mean we should do it. The devs barely have a clue about pvp anymore.

Telling me to not fight without a full group is out of context? lol I mean I understand you personally are unable to contribute to a keep battle without a full group, but some of us are more competent then that. BTW considering 8 people have wiped your raid group before I don't think you should call it impossible. Remember the night after you sent me that tell? You went to go harvest your crop of AD at the bridge and we caught you while you weren't paying attention. Then that same night you went to try and back cap drakelowe from us. You expected us to cower in the keep, but we pushed out and wiped half your group before you could ball up. Then of course 8 vs12 we destroy you. Then one of your members told me something hilarious "We don't wipe if we don't want to" "We could have won if we wanted" lol.

Back to another main point. The AD faction is on life support right now. As I said before the experienced players have either already left or are so jaded they don't see the point anymore. I feel one of the easiest ways to illustrate this is to talk about Alliance War Rank. On AD NA there are in total 2 players that have achieved General or Higher (I think I saw herk with warlord the other day). On EP there are too many to count, and DC had there own fare share. Why is this? Because most of the higher level players have quit the game or barely play anymore. Hell I am almost to level 39, and this would make me one of the higher level players on the faction. I have only really been a true hardcore pvp player for 5 months, and I am ahead of most of the active AD population that considers themselves pvp players. I really stopped pvping when 1.5 came out, and spent then and the first part of 1.6 playing pve.

I leave you with this to finish summarizing my feelings about ESO pvp right now. /Heartbroken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdc__fUqo6k&feature=youtu.be

Don't hate on 24 man groups Mojican
It hurts the Deciblob's feelings

WRX wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

x99Needles wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Yah... but the only problem with AZ right now is that yellow has been rofl'd there night after night. Without either TKO or decibel there to at least put up something of a defense, it's just been a bolstered blue fighting a slightly weakened red with yellow sometimes being a momentary diversion. They haven't had their own scrolls for a week now, and I know it's because many of the good yellow players say it's the lag so they just refuse to play there, but that means that yellow just is tryign to make three non-competitive campaigns instead of having fights in one campaign?

Honestly I don't know why GoS would've left Hade, which has competition appropriate to their strength, decent activity, and was in sore need of a red presence to leave for an even more one-dimensional server. Keep hade good and balanced, then work on the other campaigns, but utnil some of the puglets from blue and red spread out to thorn and chill, it will not happen.

So we should just all go and play in something we hate and despise? Lag simply pisses me off, and every day I am loosing friends who can no longer take it. Not to mention the countless people who have already left. Play in lag without a 24 man zerg. Play in lag when you are in a group of 7-12 and are fighting 3 raids. You will not want to have any part of it.

Here is a little secret most EP and DC haven't realized yet. AD has had almost no organization for the last few months. Most AD guilds do not run every night, and the BS that is this game makes them run less and less. Hell my guild has not had a true group in over a week. Misfitz is the only guild I know of that runs group everyday, and they vary greatly in power depending on who is leading or how much of their more core players are on. They also normally start to wind down earlier than most of the EP and DC guilds.

Normally AD zone chat gets flooded by 3 letters "LFG". All the more experienced players are simply so jaded that they don't wan't to put up with the BS that is what this game has devolved into. Instead of blaming us for not wanting to play in your 24 man groups why don't you spread the F out!!! This game is being destroyed, and those doing it care not.

Such as your glorious leader who told me to "stop taking on fights you can never win". Because you know I should just not defend keeps while VE does *** right? We should just all ignore the objective and let you do what ever you want. That would not hurt PVP at all would it? We should make your face roll night cap even easier right? This game was meant to only be played with 24 people right? Wow I see no problem with this. Great Idea lets just all evaluate a fight based off of one quick check.

Are you in a 24 man group? Yes? No? If no leave Cyrodiil. His method is ground breaking!!!

Well sir it would seem AD has taken on your advice and wants no part in your BS. If he wants to kill pvp he is on the right track. I will continue to laugh at your 24 man raid popping 4 barriers to deal with the damage of 8 people. I just hope you all scream "RAID BOSSES DOWN" because that is how pathetic it is. Have fun destroying the game.

I like how you choose to quote me completely out of context. Lets review the story. You were busy whispering me trashing me and my guild because you couldn't beat our "zerg" of twenty four players with a measly eight. Putting aside your poor math skills, I never once whispered you and told you that you were bad for playing that way. If you want to run with 8 that is completely up to you. But do not get frustrated at me for playing with the intended max group size. I dont care if you think 16 or 12 or 8 should be the cap. It is NOT. I told you to stop taking on fights you can't win if you're so upset over losing. Stick to fields where your 8 man can gank noobs off their horses. You'll succeed there. You will never win with 8 against a skilled 24 man raid. This game was advertised as a MASSIVE SCALE PVP game. Its inability to handle such large scale fights is an entirely different problem/question. The max group size is 24, if you cannot handle that, perhaps you should find another game. Everyone hates the lag, but I am not going to stop playing or grouping the way Zenimax intended because you want to cry over it. Get over it, get a real raid together, and push back. There is no question Zenimax needs to fix their ***, but do not try and blame a guild for it. That is pathetic.

You seem to have missed the entire point of my post. Yonkit was some how blaming AD for not wanting to play in lag or put up with DC/EP night capping the map with multiple raids vs unorganized pugs+ a few small groups. I used you as an anecdote as you fight unorganized pugs every night and call it a a "massive battle". There are no groups near your size to compete, but somehow you enjoy ROFL stomping things through the broken mechanics of Purge and Barrier.

The advertised argument is plaid out and silly. This game was also advertised as having an active and skill full combat system, but players such as your self who lack skill somehow excel. It was also advertised as an Elder Scrolls Game, and it sure as hell isn't that. The max group size argument is also horrid. I mean for months there existed ways within the game to chain pull a group into a keep, but that does not mean it is something you should do. (Heck I have seen people do it recently) Then of course you use the counter argument that 24 is an intended thing. Well a sorc getting their bat swarm to cost something like 7 ult was also considered "Working as Intended". It is also possible to get an entire faction into one giant zerg, but that does not mean we should do it. The devs barely have a clue about pvp anymore.

Telling me to not fight without a full group is out of context? lol I mean I understand you personally are unable to contribute to a keep battle without a full group, but some of us are more competent then that. BTW considering 8 people have wiped your raid group before I don't think you should call it impossible. Remember the night after you sent me that tell? You went to go harvest your crop of AD at the bridge and we caught you while you weren't paying attention. Then that same night you went to try and back cap drakelowe from us. You expected us to cower in the keep, but we pushed out and wiped half your group before you could ball up. Then of course 8 vs12 we destroy you. Then one of your members told me something hilarious "We don't wipe if we don't want to" "We could have won if we wanted" lol.

Back to another main point. The AD faction is on life support right now. As I said before the experienced players have either already left or are so jaded they don't see the point anymore. I feel one of the easiest ways to illustrate this is to talk about Alliance War Rank. On AD NA there are in total 2 players that have achieved General or Higher (I think I saw herk with warlord the other day). On EP there are too many to count, and DC had there own fare share. Why is this? Because most of the higher level players have quit the game or barely play anymore. Hell I am almost to level 39, and this would make me one of the higher level players on the faction. I have only really been a true hardcore pvp player for 5 months, and I am ahead of most of the active AD population that considers themselves pvp players. I really stopped pvping when 1.5 came out, and spent then and the first part of 1.6 playing pve.

I leave you with this to finish summarizing my feelings about ESO pvp right now. /Heartbroken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdc__fUqo6k&feature=youtu.be

Don't hate on 24 man groups Mojican
It hurts the Deciblob's feelings

I dont think we take any offense to it for many reasons lol

Correction: Deci takes no offense, as we do not and have not ever run 24 man groups*

Excellent work going on right now! AD guilds (TKO) is using 2-3 raid groups right now to push EP objectives at the same time that we are doing so. We have halted EP's breakout and now we can push them back to their gates. Good work everyone, keep up the blobbing, we will get Nexus to disband if we lag them out everyday and use meteor on them while they go up stairs.

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ishilb14_ESO wrote: »

Excellent work going on right now! AD guilds (TKO) is using 2-3 raid groups right now to push EP objectives at the same time that we are doing so. We have halted EP's breakout and now we can push them back to their gates. Good work everyone, keep up the blobbing, we will get Nexus to disband if we lag them out everyday and use meteor on them while they go up stairs.

It's awesome that we have 2-3 raids of us there after running on Blackwater Blade for the past 4 hours!

Thanks man, I'll let you guys know again when EP starts getting funny ideas again and pushing past Arrius.

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Yah... but the only problem with AZ right now is that yellow has been rofl'd there night after night. Without either TKO or decibel there to at least put up something of a defense, it's just been a bolstered blue fighting a slightly weakened red with yellow sometimes being a momentary diversion. They haven't had their own scrolls for a week now, and I know it's because many of the good yellow players say it's the lag so they just refuse to play there, but that means that yellow just is tryign to make three non-competitive campaigns instead of having fights in one campaign?

Honestly I don't know why GoS would've left Hade, which has competition appropriate to their strength, decent activity, and was in sore need of a red presence to leave for an even more one-dimensional server. Keep hade good and balanced, then work on the other campaigns, but utnil some of the puglets from blue and red spread out to thorn and chill, it will not happen.

So we should just all go and play in something we hate and despise? Lag simply pisses me off, and every day I am loosing friends who can no longer take it. Not to mention the countless people who have already left. Play in lag without a 24 man zerg. Play in lag when you are in a group of 7-12 and are fighting 3 raids. You will not want to have any part of it.

Here is a little secret most EP and DC haven't realized yet. AD has had almost no organization for the last few months. Most AD guilds do not run every night, and the BS that is this game makes them run less and less. Hell my guild has not had a true group in over a week. Misfitz is the only guild I know of that runs group everyday, and they vary greatly in power depending on who is leading or how much of their more core players are on. They also normally start to wind down earlier than most of the EP and DC guilds.

Normally AD zone chat gets flooded by 3 letters "LFG". All the more experienced players are simply so jaded that they don't wan't to put up with the BS that is what this game has devolved into. Instead of blaming us for not wanting to play in your 24 man groups why don't you spread the F out!!! This game is being destroyed, and those doing it care not.

Such as your glorious leader who told me to "stop taking on fights you can never win". Because you know I should just not defend keeps while VE does *** right? We should just all ignore the objective and let you do what ever you want. That would not hurt PVP at all would it? We should make your face roll night cap even easier right? This game was meant to only be played with 24 people right? Wow I see no problem with this. Great Idea lets just all evaluate a fight based off of one quick check.

Are you in a 24 man group? Yes? No? If no leave Cyrodiil. His method is ground breaking!!!

Well sir it would seem AD has taken on your advice and wants no part in your BS. If he wants to kill pvp he is on the right track. I will continue to laugh at your 24 man raid popping 4 barriers to deal with the damage of 8 people. I just hope you all scream "RAID BOSSES DOWN" because that is how pathetic it is. Have fun destroying the game.

I like how you choose to quote me completely out of context. Lets review the story. You were busy whispering me trashing me and my guild because you couldn't beat our "zerg" of twenty four players with a measly eight. Putting aside your poor math skills, I never once whispered you and told you that you were bad for playing that way. If you want to run with 8 that is completely up to you. But do not get frustrated at me for playing with the intended max group size. I dont care if you think 16 or 12 or 8 should be the cap. It is NOT. I told you to stop taking on fights you can't win if you're so upset over losing. Stick to fields where your 8 man can gank noobs off their horses. You'll succeed there. You will never win with 8 against a skilled 24 man raid. This game was advertised as a MASSIVE SCALE PVP game. Its inability to handle such large scale fights is an entirely different problem/question. The max group size is 24, if you cannot handle that, perhaps you should find another game. Everyone hates the lag, but I am not going to stop playing or grouping the way Zenimax intended because you want to cry over it. Get over it, get a real raid together, and push back. There is no question Zenimax needs to fix their ***, but do not try and blame a guild for it. That is pathetic.

You seem to have missed the entire point of my post. Yonkit was some how blaming AD for not wanting to play in lag or put up with DC/EP night capping the map with multiple raids vs unorganized pugs+ a few small groups. I used you as an anecdote as you fight unorganized pugs every night and call it a a "massive battle". There are no groups near your size to compete, but somehow you enjoy ROFL stomping things through the broken mechanics of Purge and Barrier.

The advertised argument is plaid out and silly. This game was also advertised as having an active and skill full combat system, but players such as your self who lack skill somehow excel. It was also advertised as an Elder Scrolls Game, and it sure as hell isn't that. The max group size argument is also horrid. I mean for months there existed ways within the game to chain pull a group into a keep, but that does not mean it is something you should do. (Heck I have seen people do it recently) Then of course you use the counter argument that 24 is an intended thing. Well a sorc getting their bat swarm to cost something like 7 ult was also considered "Working as Intended". It is also possible to get an entire faction into one giant zerg, but that does not mean we should do it. The devs barely have a clue about pvp anymore.

Telling me to not fight without a full group is out of context? lol I mean I understand you personally are unable to contribute to a keep battle without a full group, but some of us are more competent then that. BTW considering 8 people have wiped your raid group before I don't think you should call it impossible. Remember the night after you sent me that tell? You went to go harvest your crop of AD at the bridge and we caught you while you weren't paying attention. Then that same night you went to try and back cap drakelowe from us. You expected us to cower in the keep, but we pushed out and wiped half your group before you could ball up. Then of course 8 vs12 we destroy you. Then one of your members told me something hilarious "We don't wipe if we don't want to" "We could have won if we wanted" lol.

Back to another main point. The AD faction is on life support right now. As I said before the experienced players have either already left or are so jaded they don't see the point anymore. I feel one of the easiest ways to illustrate this is to talk about Alliance War Rank. On AD NA there are in total 2 players that have achieved General or Higher (I think I saw herk with warlord the other day). On EP there are too many to count, and DC had there own fare share. Why is this? Because most of the higher level players have quit the game or barely play anymore. Hell I am almost to level 39, and this would make me one of the higher level players on the faction. I have only really been a true hardcore pvp player for 5 months, and I am ahead of most of the active AD population that considers themselves pvp players. I really stopped pvping when 1.5 came out, and spent then and the first part of 1.6 playing pve.

I leave you with this to finish summarizing my feelings about ESO pvp right now. /Heartbroken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdc__fUqo6k&feature=youtu.be

Don't hate on 24 man groups Mojican
It hurts the Deciblob's feelings

I dont think we take any offense to it for many reasons lol

Correction: Deci takes no offense, as we do not and have not ever run 24 man groups*

We just dont typically enjoy them or what it does to the game, nor would we defend using them. It always ends the same, not enjoyable. We ran them for a few weeks since Ive been back but strayed away from them for several months and are back to that.

Moji is making a solid points that is not entirely related to the use of 24 man groups, and that seems to be getting missed by a lot of people.