Sigh these pc transfers....

leepalmer95 · August 2015

wraith808 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Gate and keep glitches/exploits are being fixed with the IC update. Anyone can make alts in another faction, it has nothing to do with PC players. And what do glitches and alts have to do with Champion Points?

It's the fact they allowed people with max characters with 200+ cp each, with knowledge of exploits + glitches to transfer all of this onto console so us new players get absolutely wrecked by them.

I just found out apparently you can glitch into chalmen as i turned round and 7-10 vet 14's just rekt me.

You don't know that people got to VR14 on consoles with 200CP in a few weeks, right? Transfers aren't the problem.

I have a v14 and a v5 and i have 100 cp, doubt someone on console has 200 cp already, unless they have literally farmed since release.

Even then the average player on pc will always have more cp than the average player on console.

Post right after yours:

gjmgamesub17_ESO wrote: »

I love how people are saying pc transfers still have the advantage lol.

I'm not a transfer and I'm vr14 with 100 CP. And I'm lazy compared to my guildies and friends, a couple have 2 vr14 characters and almost 200 CP now as well. And that's not really even out of the ordinary.

The pc transfer excuse for your lack of skill is no longer valid.

What were you saying?

that is definetly out of the ordinary, since most players are barely vet 1, lets me direct you to the fact he said 'a couple' as in a few, not the average cp. Just because a few people decided to grind cp on console doesn't mean the entirety of console does.

If he only has 100 cp as a pc xfer then doesn't play much, at all even. The average pc xfer will have 200-300 easy simply because the games been out for 1 year; that was when then just xfered as well if i can get 100 in 3 months the the hardcore xfers on pc can get even more.

TL:DR ... in simple terms.

A casual console player is around vet 1-4 now.

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Then you have got to take into account that despite it being released on console even the players who played a lot would still take 3-4 weeks to even reach lvl 50 the first time, during this time the pc xfers will still be getting cp.

So just because the outliers ( e.g. the inactive/hardly play pc xfer and the play all the time, dedicated grinder that started on console) of the groups are close together doesn't mean the majority are close or will ever be close.

icontested · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Got to love these vet 14 pc transfer guilds, bringing exploits into console pvp!

We have glitching through gate to get elder scroll.

Glitching into keeps.

Making alts in other factions just to mess up their attacks.

Such a great idea it was allowing them to come over with their 200+ cp maxed characters.

Your complaining skills must be max level by now

leepalmer95 · August 2015

icontested wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Got to love these vet 14 pc transfer guilds, bringing exploits into console pvp!

We have glitching through gate to get elder scroll.

Glitching into keeps.

Making alts in other factions just to mess up their attacks.

Such a great idea it was allowing them to come over with their 200+ cp maxed characters.

Your complaining skills must be max level by now

Just pointing out obvious exploits/glitches, is there a problem?

starkerealm · August 2015

wraith808 wrote: »

What were you saying?

Hey, I'm on the PC, and have a similar CP count to Lee.

icontested · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

icontested wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Got to love these vet 14 pc transfer guilds, bringing exploits into console pvp!

We have glitching through gate to get elder scroll.

Glitching into keeps.

Making alts in other factions just to mess up their attacks.

Such a great idea it was allowing them to come over with their 200+ cp maxed characters.

Your complaining skills must be max level by now

Just pointing out obvious exploits/glitches, is there a problem?

No. I would not want a problem with a fellow ESO player. If you played cod well different story. Meantime we both play good games but every post you make is a complaint. Make a post about positive thing.. You crybaby jk

starkerealm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Because as we all know, a full year elapsed between March 9, 2015 and June 7, 2015.

chevalierknight · August 2015

Dekkameron wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

i tea bagged that potatoe guy simply because i chased him for 10 mins, he deserved it.

Seriously, what is up with you console players and teabagging? Just stop it already

Halo where tea bagging was created built in a animation for tea bagging in 4

ObsidianMichi · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Just pointing out obvious exploits/glitches, is there a problem?

When you can't tell the difference between a game mechanic and an exploit?

Probably, but it isn't with the game.

starkerealm · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Because as we all know, a full year elapsed between March 9, 2015 and June 7, 2015.

Incidentally, the average pc transfer would have come over with less than 70 CP.

chevalierknight · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Because as we all know, a full year elapsed between March 9, 2015 and June 7, 2015.

Incidentally, the average pc transfer would have come over with less than 70 CP.

Yep deltia who grinds from 1am only has 300

But op says they have 300 so must be true

All so im sure cp didnt come out till half way in the year

starkerealm · August 2015

chevalierknight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Because as we all know, a full year elapsed between March 9, 2015 and June 7, 2015.

Incidentally, the average pc transfer would have come over with less than 70 CP.

Yep deltia who grinds from 1am only has 300

But op says they have 700 so must be true

Supposedly a creature exists out there that has gotten over 1k. It's possible that creature is in fact a real person and not just a highly sophisticated bot in Craglorn using lethal arrow across a stream.

chevalierknight · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Because as we all know, a full year elapsed between March 9, 2015 and June 7, 2015.

Incidentally, the average pc transfer would have come over with less than 70 CP.

Yep deltia who grinds from 1am only has 300

But op says they have 700 so must be true

Supposedly a creature exists out there that has gotten over 1k. It's possible that creature is in fact a real person and not just a highly sophisticated bot in Craglorn using lethal arrow across a stream.

Top kek didnt cp come out half way not at release? So one more over statement from op

starkerealm · August 2015

chevalierknight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Because as we all know, a full year elapsed between March 9, 2015 and June 7, 2015.

Incidentally, the average pc transfer would have come over with less than 70 CP.

Yep deltia who grinds from 1am only has 300

But op says they have 700 so must be true

Supposedly a creature exists out there that has gotten over 1k. It's possible that creature is in fact a real person and not just a highly sophisticated bot in Craglorn using lethal arrow across a stream.

Top kek didnt cp come out half way not at release? So one more over statement from op

Yeah, I think I said it best:

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Because as we all know, a full year elapsed between March 9, 2015 and June 7, 2015.

Of, course I am an egotist like that.

EDIT: 1.6 actually shook up a lot of stuff. It completely tanked a lot of existing build assumptions, did away with soft caps, altered gear scaling (I remember when my VR8 only had 2k health), and added the Champion system wholesale.

chevalierknight · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Because as we all know, a full year elapsed between March 9, 2015 and June 7, 2015.

Incidentally, the average pc transfer would have come over with less than 70 CP.

Yep deltia who grinds from 1am only has 300

But op says they have 700 so must be true

Supposedly a creature exists out there that has gotten over 1k. It's possible that creature is in fact a real person and not just a highly sophisticated bot in Craglorn using lethal arrow across a stream.

Top kek didnt cp come out half way not at release? So one more over statement from op

Yeah, I think I said it best:

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Because as we all know, a full year elapsed between March 9, 2015 and June 7, 2015.

Of, course I am an egotist like that.

EDIT: 1.6 actually shook up a lot of stuff. It completely tanked a lot of existing build assumptions, did away with soft caps, altered gear scaling (I remember when my VR8 only had 2k health), and added the Champion system wholesale.

Wow so patch 6 that way shorter then a year lol op you fail at everything plz stop making post im calling it his next topic dk op everyone should replie with march 9 now till op stops posting lol

leepalmer95 · August 2015

chevalierknight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Because as we all know, a full year elapsed between March 9, 2015 and June 7, 2015.

Incidentally, the average pc transfer would have come over with less than 70 CP.

Yep deltia who grinds from 1am only has 300

But op says they have 700 so must be true

Supposedly a creature exists out there that has gotten over 1k. It's possible that creature is in fact a real person and not just a highly sophisticated bot in Craglorn using lethal arrow across a stream.

Top kek didnt cp come out half way not at release? So one more over statement from op

Yeah, I think I said it best:

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Because as we all know, a full year elapsed between March 9, 2015 and June 7, 2015.

Of, course I am an egotist like that.

EDIT: 1.6 actually shook up a lot of stuff. It completely tanked a lot of existing build assumptions, did away with soft caps, altered gear scaling (I remember when my VR8 only had 2k health), and added the Champion system wholesale.

Wow so patch 6 that way shorter then a year lol op you fail at everything plz stop making post im calling it his next topic dk op everyone should replie with march 9 now till op stops posting lol

But did the pc people have to go from 1-50 doing quests first? No they could immediately play.

March - --> junes is 3 months, so around 90~ days.

1 enlightened cp = 100k exp. Most people can get 300k-400 just by questing pretty easy, dragonstar provides at least 200k...

So 90 days x 1 enlightenment per day = 90 cp + the 12 intitial cp. = 102.

Now only people who hardly play will get 1 cp per day.

People easily get 2-4 if they grind or quest a bit longer, and cp grinding was the meta when they first came out as everyone wanted them. Lets just say 2.

90 cp from enlightenment + 90 from the extra 1 day + 12 from initial enlightenment = 192.

This was before console came out.

Even if we take people who hardly play, you literally do like 3-4 quests, grind for 15 mins or so and just got the 1 a day from enlightenment + the initial 12 thats still 102 then they had a month before even the highly dedicated console players even got to vet ranks so thats another 30 days of enlightenment of at least getting 1 cp a day or possibly 2.

So yes even in 3 months they still have that 200 cp advantage.

starkerealm wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Because as we all know, a full year elapsed between March 9, 2015 and June 7, 2015.

Incidentally, the average pc transfer would have come over with less than 70 CP.

Well if you spent even half time playing the game instead of farming posts on this forum about topics on systems you don't even play you'd have 4x as much as me. You know considering you've been playing since 2014.

starkerealm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So 90 days x 1 enlightenment per day = 90 cp + the 12 intitial cp. = 112.

Look, if you can't even do basic math, don't pretend you understand the game. I'd explain how it actually works, but it would go way over your head.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So 90 days x 1 enlightenment per day = 90 cp + the 12 intitial cp. = 112.

Look, if you can't even do basic math, don't pretend you understand the game. I'd explain how it actually works, but it would go way over your head.

102 then maybe i got a bit exited typing it all out, still my point still stands, you don't even play on console stop pretending like you know the situation over there.

starkerealm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So 90 days x 1 enlightenment per day = 90 cp + the 12 intitial cp. = 112.

Look, if you can't even do basic math, don't pretend you understand the game. I'd explain how it actually works, but it would go way over your head.

102 then maybe i got a bit exited typing it all out, still my point still stands, you don't even play on console stop pretending like you know the situation over there.

No, your point really doesn't. If you can't do something as simple as adding two numbers together, nevermind that they have absolutely no relation to anything, how can you be expected to provide anything of value to the discussion.

Casual gamers did not transfer to the consoles with 300cp. Hardcore grinder that started on the consoles did not do the quests from 1-50, they started with grinding, and just because you didn't twig to the idea until someone pointed you at Wayrest's sewers last week doesn't mean that you could speak for anyone, much less everyone.

As others have pointed out, homegrown grinders on the consoles are already well over the 300cp mark, which means, again, you don't know what you're talking about.

At this point, I'm not entirely convinced you even play the game. I'm marginally convinced you don't actually have a vet character, and haven't even seen the CP system first hand to understand how minuscule the upgrades are.

And yet, here we are, with you crying about how you can't go 1v10 without having to work for it, because you think curse works on someone who's using mistform (it doesn't.)

But, then again, you also think that ultimates scale with crit modifiers, so I'm not even going to guess at what systems you actually do or don't understand.

EDIT: lest you forgot, this bit:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Dekkameron wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

i tea bagged that potatoe guy simply because i chased him for 10 mins, he deserved it.

Seriously, what is up with you console players and teabagging? Just stop it already

You don't understand i was chasing him for 10 mins, 10! that damn mist form.

Pretty sure i hit him with about 10 curses when i was chasing him!

KingKush · August 2015

Can't blame PC transfers. Blame ZOS for making such a stupid decison to allow PC players to transfer and give them a full year head start on every competitive aspect of this game. But as you can already tell, ZOS makes some really dumb decisions.

Funkopotamus · August 2015

KingKush wrote: »

Can't blame PC transfers. Blame ZOS for making such a stupid decison to allow PC players to transfer and give them a full year head start on every competitive aspect of this game. But as you can already tell, ZOS makes some really dumb decisions.

Yes PC transfers were a HORRIBLE idea. Most of them will leave after a few months of instagibing and trolling the "New players"

Sadly what ZOS did not think of was the impact it will have to the longevity of the console player base. My friends list of ESO players could not wait till this came out we gamed together on NWinter, RIFT,WOW, and a few other MMO's drooling for the day for ESO.

Most of them got on the same day the servers went live. About 45 people on this list...
Do you know how many of them are still playing?......................... SIX

When asked why they left most say the transfers killed the economy and the CP system is "Just not for them" Most of them knew going in about the transfers and the CP system, but we all thought "We could overcome and deal with it" Nope if you are not rolling vet14 with 700CP you are never going to overcome the gap as it will widen day by day.

I think the grind killed off most of them though. I dunno it is just sad to see these people leave the game most of them were over 25ish and really nice people.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So 90 days x 1 enlightenment per day = 90 cp + the 12 intitial cp. = 112.

Look, if you can't even do basic math, don't pretend you understand the game. I'd explain how it actually works, but it would go way over your head.

102 then maybe i got a bit exited typing it all out, still my point still stands, you don't even play on console stop pretending like you know the situation over there.

No, your point really doesn't. If you can't do something as simple as adding two numbers together, nevermind that they have absolutely no relation to anything, how can you be expected to provide anything of value to the discussion.

Casual gamers did not transfer to the consoles with 300cp. Hardcore grinder that started on the consoles did not do the quests from 1-50, they started with grinding, and just because you didn't twig to the idea until someone pointed you at Wayrest's sewers last week doesn't mean that you could speak for anyone, much less everyone.

As others have pointed out, homegrown grinders on the consoles are already well over the 300cp mark, which means, again, you don't know what you're talking about.

At this point, I'm not entirely convinced you even play the game. I'm marginally convinced you don't actually have a vet character, and haven't even seen the CP system first hand to understand how minuscule the upgrades are.

And yet, here we are, with you crying about how you can't go 1v10 without having to work for it, because you think curse works on someone who's using mistform (it doesn't.)

But, then again, you also think that ultimates scale with crit modifiers, so I'm not even going to guess at what systems you actually do or don't understand.

EDIT: lest you forgot, this bit:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Dekkameron wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

i tea bagged that potatoe guy simply because i chased him for 10 mins, he deserved it.

Seriously, what is up with you console players and teabagging? Just stop it already

You don't understand i was chasing him for 10 mins, 10! that damn mist form.

Pretty sure i hit him with about 10 curses when i was chasing him!

As you seem so intent on defending pc transers on a console you know NOTHING about, led me educate you.

When people mist form it's hard to target them, so i put curse on him everytime he came out of it, it wouldn't do much dmg but it was in preparation for when he ran out of magicka.

Please direct me to the post were someone says console grinders have 300 cp.

Can you please for the love of god stop comparing hardcore grinders with casual players? Your so intent on pointing out the top grinders of console have about the same cp as casual xfers... it's not helping with whatever your trying to prove.

I have a v14, a v5 and a v1. So apparently i've played the game more than you, you've just grinded forum posts it looks like.

How would you know how many cp casual gamers had when they xfer, you never xfered, your haven't played the game much with only 70 cp after 4 months, thats less than half a enlightened cp a day, 50k exp a day... so you obviously don't play much.

Also how do i think ultimates scale with crit modifiers? is that coming from the guy who just found out the your highest resource is the one which effects your ult dmg?

Wayrest sewers is good for 3-50 but thats it, there are better places to grind with better loot and gold when you hit vet. Not that you've ever grinded or done wayrest as you barely play, likely just heard about it on the forums when you farm for posts, a bit like what your doing now.

So your saying if i pump the mighty star with enough points for a 25% physical dmg increase thats 'miniscule' ? try getting some high cp first before trying to tell people 'miniscule' the cp system is. Just because the most you've experienced with it is the 10 cp passives.

Also are you going to actually comment on the basic maths i did, one little mistake that i fixed doesn't mean it's irrelevant? is are you still thinking of a way to ignore it with something pointless because logic is > you?

KingKush · August 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

Can't blame PC transfers. Blame ZOS for making such a stupid decison to allow PC players to transfer and give them a full year head start on every competitive aspect of this game. But as you can already tell, ZOS makes some really dumb decisions.

Yes PC transfers were a HORRIBLE idea. Most of them will leave after a few months of instagibing and trolling the "New players"

Sadly what ZOS did not think of was the impact it will have to the longevity of the console player base. My friends list of ESO players could not wait till this came out we gamed together on NWinter, RIFT,WOW, and a few other MMO's drooling for the day for ESO.

Most of them got on the same day the servers went live. About 45 people on this list...
Do you know how many of them are still playing?......................... SIX

When asked why they left most say the transfers killed the economy and the CP system is "Just not for them" Most of them knew going in about the transfers and the CP system, but we all thought "We could overcome and deal with it" Nope if you are not rolling vet14 with 700CP you are never going to overcome the gap as it will widen day by day.

I think the grind killed off most of them though. I dunno it is just sad to see these people leave the game most of them were over 25ish and really nice people.

Agreed. I can't even think of another game that gave players a full year advantage against a brand new player base. Such a moronic decision. They are making choices they negativiy impact the player base of the game. I don't see this game lasting long on console unless they make some changes in their leveling system including VR and CP.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

Can't blame PC transfers. Blame ZOS for making such a stupid decison to allow PC players to transfer and give them a full year head start on every competitive aspect of this game. But as you can already tell, ZOS makes some really dumb decisions.

Yes PC transfers were a HORRIBLE idea. Most of them will leave after a few months of instagibing and trolling the "New players"

Sadly what ZOS did not think of was the impact it will have to the longevity of the console player base. My friends list of ESO players could not wait till this came out we gamed together on NWinter, RIFT,WOW, and a few other MMO's drooling for the day for ESO.

Most of them got on the same day the servers went live. About 45 people on this list...
Do you know how many of them are still playing?......................... SIX

When asked why they left most say the transfers killed the economy and the CP system is "Just not for them" Most of them knew going in about the transfers and the CP system, but we all thought "We could overcome and deal with it" Nope if you are not rolling vet14 with 700CP you are never going to overcome the gap as it will widen day by day.

I think the grind killed off most of them though. I dunno it is just sad to see these people leave the game most of them were over 25ish and really nice people.

I'm guessing the fact this was a thing also helped towards that fact:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfllRa4CYyc&list=PLXm4ijgo1i0Gxx5v-4Aa_zegCcGGCpeT6&index=11

Nothing like having some maxed level pc xfer kill half of your faction on your first experience of pvp...

even sypher said it shouldn't of happened.

starkerealm · August 2015

KingKush wrote: »

Agreed. I can't even think of another game that gave players a full year advantage against a brand new player base. Such a moronic decision.

Every free to play MMO relaunch ever, comes to mind.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

Agreed. I can't even think of another game that gave players a full year advantage against a brand new player base. Such a moronic decision.

Every free to play MMO relaunch ever, comes to mind.

But it wasn't a true re launch, for pc players it was an update, for console players it was a brand new game which just game out. I wasn't expecting maxed players to be around on a new game or was i expecting a system like the cp system were it doesn't matter how high you progress it'll still still you the same amount of time to gain that extra cp and a vet 1 who just unlocked it.

Should of let the alpha/beta testers keep their characters and carry on playing until actual release, same thing.

starkerealm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

As you seem so intent on defending pc transers on a console you know NOTHING about, led me educate you.

Based on your grasp of fundamental arithmetic, I'm not sure you can educate anyone on anything. And no, I'm not talking about your belief that 90+12=112. I'm talking about your inability to understand how the CPs function, what they provide, how you obtain them, and how many you get.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

When people mist form it's hard to target them, so i put curse on him everytime he came out of it, it wouldn't do much dmg but it was in preparation for when he ran out of magicka.

So your cunning plan was to waste resources in the hope that your opponent would spontaneously run out... yeah, that's not how PvP works. And if you're getting regularly smeared across the walls for that kind of play, I can say you honestly deserve it.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Please direct me to the post were someone says console grinders have 300 cp.

wraith808 wrote: »

You don't know that people got to VR14 on consoles with 200CP in a few weeks, right? Transfers aren't the problem.

Now, this may blow your mind, but it's been more than a few weeks since launch.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Can you please for the love of god stop comparing hardcore grinders with casual players?

I'll stop comparing them, when you stop confusing the two.

Casual players are coming in here and telling you, "hey, I've got 50" or "hey, I've got 100" but you just keep ignoring them because it distracts from your dream world where you have something legitimate to cry about.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Your so intent on pointing out the top grinders of console have about the same cp as casual xfers... it's not helping with whatever your trying to prove.

I'm trying to explain why everything you're saying is wrong. You're making it easy, because most of what you're saying is the incoherent ramblings of someone throwing a tantrum. All I see from your posts is, "the big kids beat me up, it's not fair." When, no, wait for it, you were the one chasing people down, and killing them.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I have a v14, a v5 and a v1. So apparently i've played the game more than you, you've just grinded forum posts it looks like.

"Ground." If you're insisting on this being an educational experience, then let's start here. The past tense of "grind" is "ground." Not "grinded." "Grinded" is not a word. The part where your spellchecker threw a squiggly red line under it was probably a hint.

Also, this may surprise you, but I write for a living. These posts don't actually take long, because you're not presenting anything challenging to refute.

And yes, I am more casual than you are. I have more non-vets than you do, by the look of things. Which should tell you, you're not a casual player.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

How would you know how many cp casual gamers had when they xfer, you never xfered, your haven't played the game much with only 70 cp after 4 months, thats less than half a enlightened cp a day, 50k exp a day... so you obviously don't play much.

Because I actually have gained CP through normal means. Because I play when I have time. When I'm not doing something else. Because unlike you I actually have some responsibilities that extend beyond treating the game like a part time job.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Also how do i think ultimates scale with crit modifiers? is that coming from the guy who just found out the your highest resource is the one which effects your ult dmg?

No, it's coming from the guy who did the testing before 1.6, and hadn't bothered to see how that system had been altered.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Wayrest sewers is good for 3-50 but thats it, there are better places to grind with better loot and gold when you hit vet. Not that you've ever grinded or done wayrest as you barely play, likely just heard about it on the forums when you farm for posts, a bit like what your doing now.

So your saying if i pump the mighty star with enough points for a 25% physical dmg increase thats 'miniscule' ? try getting some high cp first before trying to tell people 'miniscule' the cp system is. Just because the most you've experienced with it is the 10 cp passives.

Also are you going to actually comment on the basic maths i did, one little mistake that i fixed doesn't mean it's irrelevant? is are you still thinking of a way to ignore it with something pointless because logic is > you?

Well, that's all irrelevant. Started reading it, didn't bother to finish. Not worth the time.

How I play the game is doesn't matter. Much like most of stuff you've been posting it's a bland distraction. Pretending you have a point, while using it as a justification to throw a tantrum about all those people you murdered. Yeah, that... doesn't really sound right, when you say it like that.

You go into a place, kill a bunch of players, and then complain about how it was too hard, because they were all PC transfers. Except, you won. So, you thought, what? You shouldn't be challenged at all? I mean, you're the one trying to use curse on someone under mistform. So... your grasp of the mechanics is transient at best. And if I'm reading their posts right, the "exploit" the used was to go through the wall while it was down and then stay out of sight. I mean, it's not like they were guesting in from another campaign. So you're complaining because your win wasn't easy enough?

You don't understand the game. You don't understand the players. You don't understand your own class abilities. Yeah, honestly, I don't think veteran players are your problem. I think you do just need to learn how to play before you come in here with your sob story about how awesome you think you are.

FireCowCommando · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

Can't blame PC transfers. Blame ZOS for making such a stupid decison to allow PC players to transfer and give them a full year head start on every competitive aspect of this game. But as you can already tell, ZOS makes some really dumb decisions.

Yes PC transfers were a HORRIBLE idea. Most of them will leave after a few months of instagibing and trolling the "New players"

Sadly what ZOS did not think of was the impact it will have to the longevity of the console player base. My friends list of ESO players could not wait till this came out we gamed together on NWinter, RIFT,WOW, and a few other MMO's drooling for the day for ESO.

Most of them got on the same day the servers went live. About 45 people on this list...
Do you know how many of them are still playing?......................... SIX

When asked why they left most say the transfers killed the economy and the CP system is "Just not for them" Most of them knew going in about the transfers and the CP system, but we all thought "We could overcome and deal with it" Nope if you are not rolling vet14 with 700CP you are never going to overcome the gap as it will widen day by day.

I think the grind killed off most of them though. I dunno it is just sad to see these people leave the game most of them were over 25ish and really nice people.

I'm guessing the fact this was a thing also helped towards that fact:

Nothing like having some maxed level pc xfer kill half of your faction on your first experience of pvp...

even sypher said it shouldn't of happened.

Sypher wins that fight because of the large number of hours spent understanding his class, build, gearing up, and time spent already running said build.

He said that on a video that is very old, The console players who DID grind to catch up are no different then those who transferred at this point.

When the CP system was introduced, on March 9, 2015, if you had a v14 you got 70 CP for free.

Three months later with Console launch, June 9, 2015, SOME of the players who transferred had 200+. Most who transferred did not.

Thats not even 2 CP per day, with one of those being enlightened. I am fairly confident you have more interest in the game to earn CP at a better rate. That video is a pretty good representation of how PvP was a long time ago, I'm not sure how it is on Xbox, but i dont encounter 60% of my enemies in the level 10-15 range.

starkerealm · August 2015

FireCowCommando wrote: »

Sypher wins that fight because of the large number of hours spent understanding his class, build, gearing up, and time spent already running said build.

He said that on a video that is very old, The console players who DID grind to catch up are no different then those who transferred at this point.

When the CP system was introduced, on March 9, 2015, if you had a v14 you got 70 CP for free.

Three months later with Console launch, June 9, 2015, SOME of the players who transferred had 200+. Most who transferred did not.

Thats not even 2 CP per day, with one of those being enlightened. I am fairly confident you have more interest in the game to earn CP at a better rate. That video is a pretty good representation of how PvP was a long time ago, I'm not sure how it is on Xbox, but i dont encounter 60% of my enemies in the level 10-15 range.

Man, the CR introduction screwed me hard. I had a V10 or 11, got about 50 CP, and was almost out of quests to do. So then I started running up alts. Which dosn't generate CP. I've still only got two vets. Though all but two of my bank alts are in their 30s. So... $:\$

And no matter how badly Leland Palmer cries about grinding, I'm not going to just sit in Spellscar for an hour a day until my brain melts and flows out my ears. Or Cracked Wood Cave, for that matter.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

As you seem so intent on defending pc transers on a console you know NOTHING about, led me educate you.

Based on your grasp of fundamental arithmetic, I'm not sure you can educate anyone on anything. And no, I'm not talking about your belief that 90+12=112. I'm talking about your inability to understand how the CPs function, what they provide, how you obtain them, and how many you get.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

When people mist form it's hard to target them, so i put curse on him everytime he came out of it, it wouldn't do much dmg but it was in preparation for when he ran out of magicka.

So your cunning plan was to waste resources in the hope that your opponent would spontaneously run out... yeah, that's not how PvP works. And if you're getting regularly smeared across the walls for that kind of play, I can say you honestly deserve it.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Please direct me to the post were someone says console grinders have 300 cp.

wraith808 wrote: »

You don't know that people got to VR14 on consoles with 200CP in a few weeks, right? Transfers aren't the problem.

Now, this may blow your mind, but it's been more than a few weeks since launch.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Can you please for the love of god stop comparing hardcore grinders with casual players?

I'll stop comparing them, when you stop confusing the two.

Casual players are coming in here and telling you, "hey, I've got 50" or "hey, I've got 100" but you just keep ignoring them because it distracts from your dream world where you have something legitimate to cry about.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Your so intent on pointing out the top grinders of console have about the same cp as casual xfers... it's not helping with whatever your trying to prove.

I'm trying to explain why everything you're saying is wrong. You're making it easy, because most of what you're saying is the incoherent ramblings of someone throwing a tantrum. All I see from your posts is, "the big kids beat me up, it's not fair." When, no, wait for it, you were the one chasing people down, and killing them.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I have a v14, a v5 and a v1. So apparently i've played the game more than you, you've just grinded forum posts it looks like.

"Ground." If you're insisting on this being an educational experience, then let's start here. The past tense of "grind" is "ground." Not "grinded." "Grinded" is not a word. The part where your spellchecker threw a squiggly red line under it was probably a hint.

Also, this may surprise you, but I write for a living. These posts don't actually take long, because you're not presenting anything challenging to refute.

And yes, I am more casual than you are. I have more non-vets than you do, by the look of things. Which should tell you, you're not a casual player.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

How would you know how many cp casual gamers had when they xfer, you never xfered, your haven't played the game much with only 70 cp after 4 months, thats less than half a enlightened cp a day, 50k exp a day... so you obviously don't play much.

Because I actually have gained CP through normal means. Because I play when I have time. When I'm not doing something else. Because unlike you I actually have some responsibilities that extend beyond treating the game like a part time job.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Also how do i think ultimates scale with crit modifiers? is that coming from the guy who just found out the your highest resource is the one which effects your ult dmg?

No, it's coming from the guy who did the testing before 1.6, and hadn't bothered to see how that system had been altered.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Wayrest sewers is good for 3-50 but thats it, there are better places to grind with better loot and gold when you hit vet. Not that you've ever grinded or done wayrest as you barely play, likely just heard about it on the forums when you farm for posts, a bit like what your doing now.

So your saying if i pump the mighty star with enough points for a 25% physical dmg increase thats 'miniscule' ? try getting some high cp first before trying to tell people 'miniscule' the cp system is. Just because the most you've experienced with it is the 10 cp passives.

Also are you going to actually comment on the basic maths i did, one little mistake that i fixed doesn't mean it's irrelevant? is are you still thinking of a way to ignore it with something pointless because logic is > you?

Well, that's all irrelevant. Started reading it, didn't bother to finish. Not worth the time.

How I play the game is doesn't matter. Much like most of stuff you've been posting it's a bland distraction. Pretending you have a point, while using it as a justification to throw a tantrum about all those people you murdered. Yeah, that... doesn't really sound right, when you say it like that.

You go into a place, kill a bunch of players, and then complain about how it was too hard, because they were all PC transfers. Except, you won. So, you thought, what? You shouldn't be challenged at all? I mean, you're the one trying to use curse on someone under mistform. So... your grasp of the mechanics is transient at best. And if I'm reading their posts right, the "exploit" the used was to go through the wall while it was down and then stay out of sight. I mean, it's not like they were guesting in from another campaign. So you're complaining because your win wasn't easy enough?

You don't understand the game. You don't understand the players. You don't understand your own class abilities. Yeah, honestly, I don't think veteran players are your problem. I think you do just need to learn how to play before you come in here with your sob story about how awesome you think you are.

This post literally ignores the op, you have just typed useless stuff, never read half of what i typed because you had nothing to fall back onto with your irrelevant useless 'arguement'. Ignored to basic maths i typed for you, i really can't make it simpler.

You do non vet more? why are you pretending to know the ins and outs of cp points when you don't bother with vet much, you don't have the 300+ that ppl do.

Again your entire post then fell back onto a 'l2p' comment because you have no way to actually answer my posts. Sounds like you don't even vet pvp at all to be honest.

Velocious curse takes around 1800-1900 magika for me and i'm only vet 5 on my sorc, now in vet pvp we have this thing called 'sustain', say it out loud. It means we regen resources quikly which you can't really do effectively on non vet unless you have a few hundred cp tp pump the regen stars up. But wait cp is useless isn't it? I mean with those 70 cp and being a non vet expert your obviously a cp expert as well.

So i use curse, takes 3,5 seconds to explode, i regen more than i used back before it explodes pretty simple to be honest.

I'm not rambling either your just choosing to ignore the basic information i'm presenting you because it's blowing your non-existent argument away.

Fine i may not be a casual gamer, does it mean i grinded my way to v14? no, grinders can easly hit 600k-800k exp an hour which is 1.5-2 cp's an hour without exp scrolls.

Now i quested to vet 11 and then grinded to v14 because it's hard to find a group for craglorn, but a 'casual gamer' would at least get that free enlightened cp a day without even trying and like i said likely more so pc xfer would at least have 150 cps after 3 months, add in the extra few weeks it took console beginers to get vet ranks they'd be nearing 200 before most console players even got started. Is that so hard to understand?

Sounds to me like your running out of your random excuses and are falling back on l2p again.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

Sypher wins that fight because of the large number of hours spent understanding his class, build, gearing up, and time spent already running said build.

He said that on a video that is very old, The console players who DID grind to catch up are no different then those who transferred at this point.

When the CP system was introduced, on March 9, 2015, if you had a v14 you got 70 CP for free.

Three months later with Console launch, June 9, 2015, SOME of the players who transferred had 200+. Most who transferred did not.

Thats not even 2 CP per day, with one of those being enlightened. I am fairly confident you have more interest in the game to earn CP at a better rate. That video is a pretty good representation of how PvP was a long time ago, I'm not sure how it is on Xbox, but i dont encounter 60% of my enemies in the level 10-15 range.

Man, the CR introduction screwed me hard. I had a V10 or 11, got about 50 CP, and was almost out of quests to do. So then I started running up alts. Which dosn't generate CP. I've still only got two vets. Though all but two of my bank alts are in their 30s. So... $:\$

And no matter how badly Leland Palmer cries about grinding, I'm not going to just sit in Spellscar for an hour a day until my brain melts and flows out my ears. Or Cracked Wood Cave, for that matter.

Oh so you get 50-70 cps for free... so if you did 10-15 mins of killing mobs which people do just by running around you'd get your enlightenment point, it was 3 months before console... how many mmorpg's have you played grinding is literally the basis on them. It will always be a part of them.