Sigh these pc transfers....

starkerealm

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Again your entire post then fell back onto a 'l2p' comment because you have no way to actually answer my posts.

No, that is the answer to your complaints. I know it burns, but it's the truth.

Some day, you might actually learn how to play this game, and when (or if) you do, then you can come back here and articulate your grievances. Until then, there's nothing that can help you. And this elaborate fantasy you've concocted about the state of play is just that, a fantasy. It doesn't reflect the actual state of the game. Not on PC. Not on Consoles. You can ask the people who actually play on them if you don't believe me.

leepalmer95

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Again your entire post then fell back onto a 'l2p' comment because you have no way to actually answer my posts.

No, that is the answer to your complaints. I know it burns, but some day, you might actually learn how to play this game, and when you do, then you can come back here and articulate your grievances. Until then, there's nothing that can help you. And this elaborate fantasy you've concocted about the state of play is just that, a fantasy. It doesn't reflect the actual state of the game. Not on PC. Not on Consoles. You can ask the people who actually play on them if you don't believe me.

Why would i believe you, you don't actually play console but somehow you've convinced yourself you a Eso expert, you hardly play, you don't play vets much.

Next time instead of spamming the thread with useless responses when you've realised your argument died 2 pages ago, just don't be stubborn and stop posting... Told you all you'd end up being able to say is L2P.

starkerealm

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Oh so you get 50-70 cps for free... so if you did 10-15 mins of killing mobs which people do just by running around you'd get your enlightenment point, it was 3 months before console... how many mmorpg's have you played grinding is literally the basis on them. It will always be a part of them.

See, this is where I know you don't understand what you're talking about. Earning a CP with enlightenment takes about 45 minutes to an hour. If you're a hardcore grinder taking something like Cracked Wood, or Spellscar (before the nerf) you could probably swing 100k in 10 minutes, but for normal play? Not so much.

starkerealm

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Told you all you'd end up being able to say is L2P.

No, that's more to do with you not having anything to say, beyond crying about how the world is unfair. Which, you know what? It is.

If it makes you sleep better at night to believe that everyone who kills you did it through some unfair statistical advantage, you know what? Go ahead.

I mean, I gave you my honest advice. My recommendations. And, let's be honest here, I've been with the game for a lot longer than you have. I've learned more about it's intricacies and idiosyncrasies than you. Hell, I could even tell you a lot about how the game handles and parses XP, but I won't, because there's no point.

At this point, all you can do is continue crying about how unfair the great wide world is, and how you've been deceived, and how joining a game over a year after launch and facing players who came to it last year, learned the ins and outs, and already know what they're doing puts them at an unfair advantage.

You can even pretend that they aren't better at the game than you if you want. You can pretend. It won't make it real, but, that's up to you.

All I can tell you is, you can either approach the game, and try to understand it, or you can cry. Take that as a metaphor for life if you want. But, in this case, you're dealing with a Pebkac issue.

leepalmer95

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Oh so you get 50-70 cps for free... so if you did 10-15 mins of killing mobs which people do just by running around you'd get your enlightenment point, it was 3 months before console... how many mmorpg's have you played grinding is literally the basis on them. It will always be a part of them.

See, this is where I know you don't understand what you're talking about. Earning a CP with enlightenment takes about 45 minutes to an hour. If you're a hardcore grinder taking something like Cracked Wood, or Spellscar (before the nerf) you could probably swing 100k in 10 minutes, but for normal play? Not so much.

Not exactly hardcore if it takes 10-15 mins, lots of spots in lots of zones can get you 500k-600k an hour, just doing it for 10-15 mins gets you your daily cp, just doing dragonstar gets you 200k-300k or so.

What exactly is normal play for you then?

ObsidianMichi

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

Agreed. I can't even think of another game that gave players a full year advantage against a brand new player base. Such a moronic decision.

Every free to play MMO relaunch ever, comes to mind.

But it wasn't a true re launch, for pc players it was an update, for console players it was a brand new game which just game out. I wasn't expecting maxed players to be around on a new game or was i expecting a system like the cp system were it doesn't matter how high you progress it'll still still you the same amount of time to gain that extra cp and a vet 1 who just unlocked it.

Should of let the alpha/beta testers keep their characters and carry on playing until actual release, same thing.

You're ultimately splitting hairs because it's not that different and it was the same B2P/F2P transition of every MMO that I have ever been part of. (STO, CO, DCUO, TSW.) There was never a chance of a clean slate, even if those same players hadn't been allowed to bring their characters over. They would still have come and still have come with all their experience and all their knowledge on how to play the game that they'd gained from playing it for over a year. With dedicated leveling, they'd have been back to VR14 within around 3 days by leveling on dungeon mobs like in the Wayrest sewers with the associated CP of getting their characters to that max level. They'd have known where the best places to go to farm gold would be. With knowledge of how to do so, one can level an alchemist or provisioner in crafting to max rank within a day. Even if you didn't let them bring their characters across platform, it doesn't change the fact that it'd be their 9th (or more) character.

It was a new game for you and many other console players who didn't play it on PC. However, that doesn't mean the game didn't exist in some nebulous no man's land. It was never going to be an even playing field. Hell, it wasn't even an even playing field when ESO launched on PC. We still had the Beta testers who powerleveled their characters and made use of the exploits they'd discovered while playing, who amassed massive amounts of gold and controlled some markets. They dominated the PvP arena in the early days. The first ever VR10 was 48 hours after launch (including early access) which was the highest one could go at the time.

If anything, all the complaints on the consoles remind me of was the same crap that WE were putting up with over a year ago. It does suck and I'm sorry, but it will level itself out. It already is. You will have an advantage over a person who buys the game tomorrow and starts out fresh. Should ZoS roll back all your advantages just because they came late to the party?

You'll say, "No, because I was with them at launch."

The same is true for many of those PC transfers. I'm not saying that ZoS's decision to let them import wasn't stupid and their behavior at launch was certainly reminiscent of the worst behavior I saw on the PC at launch. What does boggle me, though, is the overwhelming negativity and this idea of "I'll never catch up" because it's actually not true. Both in experience and in CP. Every point of CP gained is one more added to a pool of diminishing returns. It's also not true that you'll never be competitive. Ironically, PvP is not just a matter of numerical values. If it was then a VR5 would never kill a VR14, yet they do. In accordance with your logic, my level 38 should never have stood a chance against a VR14 one on one in a vet campaign and she didn't, but she wasn't one shot either. Almost survived long enough for backup and forced the VR14 to waste a meteor when I only had about 25% health left (but so did they). It was rather hilarious. I have about 60-70 CP total. The character in question was poorly spec'd and wearing (crafted) green gear. I am very casual and I live in fear of PvP in general. And yet...

You, however, shot yourself in the foot with this thread for complaining about exploits (legit, everyone is experiencing them) but about an event where no exploiting was actually involved. Just smart tactics. It hurt your credibility and leaves you open to me saying that you can't determine the difference. Most of what you've said, actually, has hurt your credibility. Especially after it came out that you beat these "unbeatable, exploiting" players. It highlights the idea that you honestly can't tell the difference and if something surprises you then they must be cheating.

I should also state that the players with the highest CP, the hardcore grinders, don't use Enlightenment. And, if you're imagining that every PC transfer is Sypher or a former Emperor then you have a problem. Sypher is as hardcore a player as they come. So, please, stop listing him as a transfer casual for your arguments. (He can also be killed and often is.) And I am with the group that says we need a non-CP version of Blackwater Blade. However, there were veteran PvPers leveling alts on Blackwater Blade before CP came. Especially if they came in wearing a full set of Hundings Rage mixed with another of their choice.

No one is arguing that many of these transfers aren't jerks or using their advanced knowledge (more than their advanced characters) to get ahead.

No one is saying that ZoS shouldn't fix these exploit issues. And I know that you are not alone in wanting those who are actually exploiting to be punished. (Unlikely given history, but we can dream.)

I am with you in general on things needing to be fixed, but you make a very poor case.

leepalmer95

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Told you all you'd end up being able to say is L2P.

No, that's more to do with you not having anything to say, beyond crying about how the world is unfair. Which, you know what? It is.

If it makes you sleep better at night to believe that everyone who kills you did it through some unfair statistical advantage, you know what? Go ahead.

I mean, I gave you my honest advice. My recommendations. And, let's be honest here, I've been with the game for a lot longer than you have. I've learned more about it's intricacies and idiosyncrasies than you. Hell, I could even tell you a lot about how the game handles and parses XP, but I won't, because there's no point.

At this point, all you can do is continue crying about how unfair the great wide world is, and how you've been deceived, and how joining a game over a year after launch and facing players who came to it last year, learned the ins and outs, and already know what they're doing puts them at an unfair advantage.

You can even pretend that they aren't better at the game than you if you want. You can pretend. It won't make it real, but, that's up to you.

All I can tell you is, you can either approach the game, and try to understand it, or you can cry. Take that as a metaphor for life if you want. But, in this case, you're dealing with a Pebkac issue.

What i wan't to know is when you stopped with the OP such a the exploits + glitches and the cp difference and the fact pc xfers shouldn't of been allowed because they had so much of an advantage to me needing to L2P?

The only time me pvping got brought up was when those guys who were hiding in the keep for a while ganked me and i still killed all 4 of them?

You think console players knew how to glitch through gates into temples? or how to glitch into keeps and take down the sieges in the first few weeks? no that was pc xfer guilds which yes they do exist, not that you'd know considering you don't play console.

Like i said it's useless to even argue with you, your entire argument went 2 pages ago when you said you don't even play console, play vets, only have 70 cp (yet is a cp expert), said cp's only adds minimal difference and just generally ran out of things to say and started pretty me re-arranging past posts to say l2p. You know you can't get more than 5 stars right? you can stop farming now.

leepalmer95

ObsidianMichi wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

Agreed. I can't even think of another game that gave players a full year advantage against a brand new player base. Such a moronic decision.

Every free to play MMO relaunch ever, comes to mind.

But it wasn't a true re launch, for pc players it was an update, for console players it was a brand new game which just game out. I wasn't expecting maxed players to be around on a new game or was i expecting a system like the cp system were it doesn't matter how high you progress it'll still still you the same amount of time to gain that extra cp and a vet 1 who just unlocked it.

Should of let the alpha/beta testers keep their characters and carry on playing until actual release, same thing.

You're ultimately splitting hairs because it's not that different and it was the same B2P/F2P transition of every MMO that I have ever been part of. (STO, CO, DCUO, TSW.) There was never a chance of a clean slate, even if those same players hadn't been allowed to bring their characters over. They would still have come and still have come with all their experience and all their knowledge on how to play the game that they'd gained from playing it for over a year. With dedicated leveling, they'd have been back to VR14 within around 3 days by leveling on dungeon mobs like in the Wayrest sewers with the associated CP of getting their characters to that max level. They'd have known where the best places to go to farm gold would be. With knowledge of how to do so, one can level an alchemist or provisioner in crafting to max rank within a day. Even if you didn't let them bring their characters across platform, it doesn't change the fact that it'd be their 9th (or more) character.

It was a new game for you and many other console players who didn't play it on PC. However, that doesn't mean the game didn't exist in some nebulous no man's land. It was never going to be an even playing field. Hell, it wasn't even an even playing field when ESO launched on PC. We still had the Beta testers who powerleveled their characters and made use of the exploits they'd discovered while playing, who amassed massive amounts of gold and controlled some markets. They dominated the PvP arena in the early days. The first ever VR10 was 48 hours after launch (including early access) which was the highest one could go at the time.

If anything, all the complaints on the consoles remind me of was the same crap that WE were putting up with over a year ago. It does suck and I'm sorry, but it will level itself out. It already is. You will have an advantage over a person who buys the game tomorrow and starts out fresh. Should ZoS roll back all your advantages just because they came late to the party?

You'll say, "No, because I was with them at launch."

The same is true for many of those PC transfers. I'm not saying that ZoS's decision to let them import wasn't stupid and their behavior at launch was certainly reminiscent of the worst behavior I saw on the PC at launch. What does boggle me, though, is the overwhelming negativity and this idea of "I'll never catch up" because it's actually not true. Both in experience and in CP. Every point of CP gained is one more added to a pool of diminishing returns. It's also not true that you'll never be competitive. Ironically, PvP is not just a matter of numerical values. If it was then a VR5 would never kill a VR14, yet they do. In accordance with your logic, my level 38 should never have stood a chance against a VR14 one on one in a vet campaign and she didn't, but she wasn't one shot either. Almost survived long enough for backup and forced the VR14 to waste a meteor when I only had about 25% health left (but so did they). It was rather hilarious. I have about 60-70 CP total. The character in question was poorly spec'd and wearing (crafted) green gear. I am very casual and I live in fear of PvP in general. And yet...

You, however, shot yourself in the foot with this thread for complaining about exploits (legit, everyone is experiencing them) but about an event where no exploiting was actually involved. Just smart tactics. It hurt your credibility and leaves you open to me saying that you can't determine the difference. Most of what you've said, actually, has hurt your credibility. Especially after it came out that you beat these "unbeatable, exploiting" players. It highlights the idea that you honestly can't tell the difference and if something surprises you then they must be cheating.

I should also state that the players with the highest CP, the hardcore grinders, don't use Enlightenment. And, if you're imagining that every PC transfer is Sypher or a former Emperor then you have a problem. Sypher is as hardcore a player as they come. So, please, stop listing him as a transfer casual for your arguments. (He can also be killed and often is.) And I am with the group that says we need a non-CP version of Blackwater Blade. However, there were veteran PvPers leveling alts on Blackwater Blade before CP came. Especially if they came in wearing a full set of Hundings Rage mixed with another of their choice.

No one is arguing that many of these transfers aren't jerks or using their advanced knowledge (more than their advanced characters) to get ahead.

No one is saying that ZoS shouldn't fix these exploit issues. And I know that you are not alone in wanting those who are actually exploiting to be punished. (Unlikely given history, but we can dream.)

I am with you in general on things needing to be fixed, but you make a very poor case.

This entire thread went down hill when the pc player(s) decided to be the master race...again and think they knew the situation on console without actually playing it...

They kind of ignored the glitches + exploits first post and decided it was my fault, immediately a l2p issue.

Also the group saying they snuck in, they weren't the only ones, the fight was at chalman which is one of the more known ones were people can glitch in pretty easy. Not sure why just because that specific group didn't do it doesn't mean other have/do. I'm not even sure people actually read these threads, they just saw the title and decided it needed to l2p, despite me killing that group and then dying to more people inside a keep that only just was under siege.

The pc xfers literally nearly killed the game before it even began, like that video i showed of sypher killing a entire zerg of new players (all low lvl), that was likely one of their first experience of pvp and 1 person shows up max levels and destroys the entire team, how many players quit pvp do you think because of that? i know a lot of people who just quit because they got steam rolled even with 15~ players by a pc xfer. I wonder how many xfered just to become emperor.

People can't get decent guild traders because the pc xfer guilds literally throw millions of gold which new guilds don't have or can make because they can't get a decent trader...

They took the leader boards on trials and such as well because of the fact they all have decently high cp and had full geared characters and they were just enjoying the benefits of having 0 competition for top spots.

Prof_Bawbag

I don't agree with many things leepalmer has written in this thread, however, I can't wrap my head around why there's people insinuating the advantages that PC transfers had/have aren't as major as leepalmer is making them out to be. There is no argument to be had because the proof is out there in black and white. They do run all the top guilds, they do head most of leader boards and so on. That's indisputable. Why people would attempt to say otherwise or dress it up as something different beggars belief.

I can't think of any other console game this has been allowed to happen (awaits the influx of examples ), and for good reason. It would have been a lot more fairer on everyone else if the perks began and ended at getting ESO at a discounted price. After all, new platform, new game and character.

zornyan

I still can't believe this ridiculous thread is going on, pc players I apologise for my fellow console players, we're not all children that have to blame everything on a scape goat.

What no one seems to mention is yes 0-300 CP you have a slight advantage, but after that a 300 vs a 1500 CP player has barely any difference, so in a couple months once all the console players have 300cp there's no advantage to us.

Secondly, there's videos of people with no CP stomping up cyrodlil against players with CP, so that goes to show its skill not points that make the difference.

starkerealm

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I don't agree with many things leepalmer has written in this thread, however, I can't wrap my head around why there's people insinuating the advantages that PC transfers had/have aren't as major as leepalmer is making them out to be. There is no argument to be had because the proof is out there in black and white. They do run all the top guilds, they do head most of leader boards and so on. That's indisputable. Why people would attempt to say otherwise or dress it up as something different beggars belief.

I can't think of any other console game this has been allowed to happen (awaits the influx of examples ), and for good reason. It would have been a lot more fairer on everyone else if the perks began and ended at getting ESO at a discounted price. After all, new platform, new game and character.

The issue isn't that transfers have an advantage. It's what that advantage actually is.

The thing PC players brought to bare on the consoles was a year of experience with the game. That was the real advantage. It took the console players a couple days to start hitting V14, and a couple weeks to start hitting the CP values that got ported over.

Some console players are coming onto the forums (and I assume elsewhere) and actually starting to really catch up on understanding the game.

There were two blunders. ZoS said when they transfers would happen, meaning some players borrowed items and gold from friends who weren't having their characters copied over, artificially inflating their wealth.

This meant transfers hit the servers with several times their actual wealth, and it screwed up the console economy pretty seriously.

The second one was research coming over. This might be a strange thing to point out. Especially given the tone of everything else I've said. But the advantage of having access to sets like Hunding's Rage or Willow's Path is a lot more substantial than anything you can get out of the CP system. However, this was another timed advantage. Unfortunately (and I'm not about to crunch the numbers) you're probably looking at something like another three months before the first crop of home grown nine trait crafters emerges on the consoles.

Over time, the money from the initial transfer will burn off. From what I'm hearing, the economy is starting to come back down into rational ranges. Over time you'll get more and more console players who actually understand the game. Over time you'll have your own people climbing up.

Things like the CP system create the illusion that the people on top will just keep climbing, but that's a fallacy. For trade guilds, you're going to see console guilds popping up as time goes on (assuming it hasn't happened already) because there's nothing inherently special about the PC players who set up shop. The ones who honestly couldn't swing it before will gradually get ground under by players who can actually take the initiative.

In a lot of ways this is like any relaunch. There's a lot of people who've been here a year, and already learned the ropes. You're coming into an established community, even if you didn't know it.

starkerealm

KingKush wrote: »

Did anyone actually read this long ass post?

Yes. It was more coherent than anything you've contributed to the conversation.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

What i wan't to know is when you stopped with the OP such a the exploits + glitches and the cp difference and the fact pc xfers shouldn't of been allowed because they had so much of an advantage to me needing to L2P?

The exact moment would be when it became blindingly apparent that the "exploits + glitches" weren't actually nothing of the sort, and were nothing more than systems and power interactions you didn't understand. Combined with a bunch of horror stories based around phenomena you'd never actually seen, but might happen somewhere out there.

Prof_Bawbag

starkerealm wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I don't agree with many things leepalmer has written in this thread, however, I can't wrap my head around why there's people insinuating the advantages that PC transfers had/have aren't as major as leepalmer is making them out to be. There is no argument to be had because the proof is out there in black and white. They do run all the top guilds, they do head most of leader boards and so on. That's indisputable. Why people would attempt to say otherwise or dress it up as something different beggars belief.

I can't think of any other console game this has been allowed to happen (awaits the influx of examples ), and for good reason. It would have been a lot more fairer on everyone else if the perks began and ended at getting ESO at a discounted price. After all, new platform, new game and character.

The issue isn't that transfers have an advantage. It's what that advantage actually is.

The thing PC players brought to bare on the consoles was a year of experience with the game. That was the real advantage. It took the console players a couple days to start hitting V14, and a couple weeks to start hitting the CP values that got ported over.

Some console players are coming onto the forums (and I assume elsewhere) and actually starting to really catch up on understanding the game.

There were two blunders. ZoS said when they transfers would happen, meaning some players borrowed items and gold from friends who weren't having their characters copied over, artificially inflating their wealth.

This meant transfers hit the servers with several times their actual wealth, and it screwed up the console economy pretty seriously.

The second one was research coming over. This might be a strange thing to point out. Especially given the tone of everything else I've said. But the advantage of having access to sets like Hunding's Rage or Willow's Path is a lot more substantial than anything you can get out of the CP system. However, this was another timed advantage. Unfortunately (and I'm not about to crunch the numbers) you're probably looking at something like another three months before the first crop of home grown nine trait crafters emerges on the consoles.

Over time, the money from the initial transfer will burn off. From what I'm hearing, the economy is starting to come back down into rational ranges. Over time you'll get more and more console players who actually understand the game. Over time you'll have your own people climbing up.

Things like the CP system create the illusion that the people on top will just keep climbing, but that's a fallacy. For trade guilds, you're going to see console guilds popping up as time goes on (assuming it hasn't happened already) because there's nothing inherently special about the PC players who set up shop. The ones who honestly couldn't swing it before will gradually get ground under by players who can actually take the initiative.

In a lot of ways this is like any relaunch. There's a lot of people who've been here a year, and already learned the ropes. You're coming into an established community, even if you didn't know it.

I'm not disagreeing about the experience they brought over, nothing can be done about that because everyone is entitled to buy any game they want on any platform they want. I simply don't agree with them being allowed to bring their fully fledged characters over and everything that entails. It doesn't happen in any other PC to console game that I'm aware of. Player skill aside, everyone should start from the same point. If people had an issue with that, then it would have just been a case of sticking to their previous platform. Like i said, getting a discount for cross purchasing should have been reward enough.

Knowing how to gain a tactical advantage because you have prior knowledge is a non issue and is something leepalmer is going to have to come to terms with. That's just a simple case of experience and being able to outwit your opponent(s). It's no different than coming to any game a year down the line. you accept most of the other people will be better. It happens in all aspects of life.

dlepi24

So, they couldn't possibly pick up on these "tips and tricks" from streams and youtube videos? That can't possibly be true though - they have to be PC transfers. They couldn't possibly accidentally ambush a kid trying to get inside of a keep and wind up inside? They couldn't possibly wonder if they could streak from this spot into that spot? Somebody originally had to wonder that on PC, so why can't someone on console do the same? I show people these things all the time. I show them bridge parkour, streaking/speed running onto chalman milegate, streaking into chalman mine, where you can dragon leap from, etc. I don't see why it's cheating - I think it's a benefit of a specific class and clever map knowledge/movement. Until they say it's an exploit or fix it, I don't see what's wrong with it. Also, anyone can make alts and spy on others.

psicorpb16_ESO

"All these moments will be lost in time .... Like tears in the rain"

Asuryan11

Other players and PC transfers have already explained this enough and yet it is just ignored by the OP. well, the 4 or so PC transfers that I know that play this game. There aren't many of us and as I have said: there are non-PC transfer players have already passed me and others with content completed/CP. It is NOT the PC transfer being most of the issue. It is the CP system you should complain about. Go and cry about no-lifers and how they gain more CP gaming for 20 hours a day. Put a cap on play time maybe? 2 hours a day possibly? And I have not once glitched/exploited the game and neither does anybody I know. I actually know more console players exploiting the game not the PC guys. I do not even grind!! as has been said ~L2P???

leepalmer95

So are people actually saying that is didn't affect console when they allowed it?

How do people know how to came across this forum does'nt even make a dent in the total player population. People keep saying 'console players have already reached 300 cp etc..' good on those hardcore grinders the pc hardcore grinders have already reached 700+ cp some even over 1k. But against why do people keep using the hardcore grinders as an example.

Even just being vet 10-14 when 1.6 came pc xfer would get 50-70 cp, then they have 3 months of getting more cp...? just people people who don't play much keep saying 'people have more than me' doesn't mean their the average. I person gaining the enlightened cp a day can easily have 150 by the time console was released just because the people on the forum don't doesn't mean no ones does.

Yes some hardcore grinders may be 300 cp, but the average lvl of a console player at the moment is about vet 1-4.

starkerealm

psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »

"All these moments will be lost in time .... Like tears in the rain"

"The Corp is your friend."

starkerealm

Asuryan11 wrote: »

Other players and PC transfers have already explained this enough and yet it is just ignored by the OP. well, the 4 or so PC transfers that I know that play this game. There aren't many of us and as I have said: there are non-PC transfer players have already passed me and others with content completed/CP. It is NOT the PC transfer being most of the issue. It is the CP system you should complain about. Go and cry about no-lifers and how they gain more CP gaming for 20 hours a day. Put a cap on play time maybe? 2 hours a day possibly? And I have not once glitched/exploited the game and neither does anybody I know. I actually know more console players exploiting the game not the PC guys. I do not even grind!! as has been said ~L2P???

To be fair, if you're just mindlessly grinding CP, after a couple weeks the diminishing returns will get to the point that you're just grinding out for days to get .4% up to a couple stats. Earning the points is linear, but what they buy is not, and that does trip up a lot of players.

wraith808

starkerealm wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

What were you saying?

Hey, I'm on the PC, and have a similar CP count to Lee.

And I'm on the PC, and I've barely cracked 100. And my alt is on the XB1, and doesn't even have that. But then again, I quickly figured out I didn't want to play on the XB1.

starkerealm

wraith808 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

What were you saying?

Hey, I'm on the PC, and have a similar CP count to Lee.

And I'm on the PC, and I've barely cracked 100. And my alt is on the XB1, and doesn't even have that. But then again, I quickly figured out I didn't want to play on the XB1.

That's just because you have some dignity.

wraith808

leepalmer95 wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Gate and keep glitches/exploits are being fixed with the IC update. Anyone can make alts in another faction, it has nothing to do with PC players. And what do glitches and alts have to do with Champion Points?

It's the fact they allowed people with max characters with 200+ cp each, with knowledge of exploits + glitches to transfer all of this onto console so us new players get absolutely wrecked by them.

I just found out apparently you can glitch into chalmen as i turned round and 7-10 vet 14's just rekt me.

You don't know that people got to VR14 on consoles with 200CP in a few weeks, right? Transfers aren't the problem.

I have a v14 and a v5 and i have 100 cp, doubt someone on console has 200 cp already, unless they have literally farmed since release.

Even then the average player on pc will always have more cp than the average player on console.

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gjmgamesub17_ESO wrote: »

I love how people are saying pc transfers still have the advantage lol.

I'm not a transfer and I'm vr14 with 100 CP. And I'm lazy compared to my guildies and friends, a couple have 2 vr14 characters and almost 200 CP now as well. And that's not really even out of the ordinary.

The pc transfer excuse for your lack of skill is no longer valid.

What were you saying?

that is definetly out of the ordinary, since most players are barely vet 1, lets me direct you to the fact he said 'a couple' as in a few, not the average cp. Just because a few people decided to grind cp on console doesn't mean the entirety of console does.

If he only has 100 cp as a pc xfer then doesn't play much, at all even. The average pc xfer will have 200-300 easy simply because the games been out for 1 year; that was when then just xfered as well if i can get 100 in 3 months the the hardcore xfers on pc can get even more.

TL:DR ... in simple terms.

A casual console player is around vet 1-4 now.

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Then you have got to take into account that despite it being released on console even the players who played a lot would still take 3-4 weeks to even reach lvl 50 the first time, during this time the pc xfers will still be getting cp.

So just because the outliers ( e.g. the inactive/hardly play pc xfer and the play all the time, dedicated grinder that started on console) of the groups are close together doesn't mean the majority are close or will ever be close.

You're guilty of two logical fallacies:





If you want to argue a point in a thread, at least be prepared to listen to contravening evidence, mkay?

psicorpb16_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »

"All these moments will be lost in time .... Like tears in the rain"

"The Corp is your friend."

I actually kinda got it from 'Syndicate' , also a play on my real name. (Yes I'm that old) but Babylon 5 would've been cooler

leepalmer95

wraith808 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Gate and keep glitches/exploits are being fixed with the IC update. Anyone can make alts in another faction, it has nothing to do with PC players. And what do glitches and alts have to do with Champion Points?

It's the fact they allowed people with max characters with 200+ cp each, with knowledge of exploits + glitches to transfer all of this onto console so us new players get absolutely wrecked by them.

I just found out apparently you can glitch into chalmen as i turned round and 7-10 vet 14's just rekt me.

You don't know that people got to VR14 on consoles with 200CP in a few weeks, right? Transfers aren't the problem.

I have a v14 and a v5 and i have 100 cp, doubt someone on console has 200 cp already, unless they have literally farmed since release.

Even then the average player on pc will always have more cp than the average player on console.

Post right after yours:

gjmgamesub17_ESO wrote: »

I love how people are saying pc transfers still have the advantage lol.

I'm not a transfer and I'm vr14 with 100 CP. And I'm lazy compared to my guildies and friends, a couple have 2 vr14 characters and almost 200 CP now as well. And that's not really even out of the ordinary.

The pc transfer excuse for your lack of skill is no longer valid.

What were you saying?

that is definetly out of the ordinary, since most players are barely vet 1, lets me direct you to the fact he said 'a couple' as in a few, not the average cp. Just because a few people decided to grind cp on console doesn't mean the entirety of console does.

If he only has 100 cp as a pc xfer then doesn't play much, at all even. The average pc xfer will have 200-300 easy simply because the games been out for 1 year; that was when then just xfered as well if i can get 100 in 3 months the the hardcore xfers on pc can get even more.

TL:DR ... in simple terms.

A casual console player is around vet 1-4 now.

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Then you have got to take into account that despite it being released on console even the players who played a lot would still take 3-4 weeks to even reach lvl 50 the first time, during this time the pc xfers will still be getting cp.

So just because the outliers ( e.g. the inactive/hardly play pc xfer and the play all the time, dedicated grinder that started on console) of the groups are close together doesn't mean the majority are close or will ever be close.

You're guilty of two logical fallacies:





If you want to argue a point in a thread, at least be prepared to listen to contravening evidence, mkay?

It would help if the people presenting the evidence actually played console, is this one of those pc master rave things? 'i don't even play that platform but because i'm on pc i know better'?

Funkopotamus

Da-Hummer!

Leep. bro I have to say I went to bed about 12 hours ago and I see you are STILL championing the PC master race resistance. I salute you sir.

The transfer never should have happened, but ZOS had to make amends to the neckbeards that paid to beta test this game so there you have it.

I was one of them and lost interest in the game after a few months of beta as I watched the changes being DE-developed. "people around then will get that! But I never got to transfer because I lost that interest and missed the cutoff limits.

Yes you are going to get harassed by the PC people. I do find it funny how there are PC players on you when they have never seen first hand how transfers ruined the game.

leepalmer95

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Da-Hummer!

Leep. bro I have to say I went to bed about 12 hours ago and I see you are STILL championing the PC master race resistance. I salute you sir.

The transfer never should have happened, but ZOS had to make amends to the neckbeards that paid to beta test this game so there you have it.

I was one of them and lost interest in the game after a few months of beta as I watched the changes being DE-developed. "people around then will get that! But I never got to transfer because I lost that interest and missed the cutoff limits.

Yes you are going to get harassed by the PC people. I do find it funny how there are PC players on you when they have never seen first hand how transfers ruined the game.

It's not hard to champion when all they literally say is 'L2P' though that has nothing to do with the Op.

It's like their just ignoring the actual posts and such and just saying 'cp isn't that great..'

It baffles me as well how they are so certain they are right on things that they haven't done or got, this is the first time i've seen the pc master race pride in action !

starkerealm

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Leep. bro I have to say I went to bed about 12 hours ago and I see you are STILL championing the PC master race resistance. I salute you sir.

It's not much of a resistance when all he's doing is crying and demanding the world change so that he can be upset about something.

EDIT: Of course, at this point, I'm also relatively certain he's about 13. So... eh.

wraith808

leepalmer95 wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Gate and keep glitches/exploits are being fixed with the IC update. Anyone can make alts in another faction, it has nothing to do with PC players. And what do glitches and alts have to do with Champion Points?

It's the fact they allowed people with max characters with 200+ cp each, with knowledge of exploits + glitches to transfer all of this onto console so us new players get absolutely wrecked by them.

I just found out apparently you can glitch into chalmen as i turned round and 7-10 vet 14's just rekt me.

You don't know that people got to VR14 on consoles with 200CP in a few weeks, right? Transfers aren't the problem.

I have a v14 and a v5 and i have 100 cp, doubt someone on console has 200 cp already, unless they have literally farmed since release.

Even then the average player on pc will always have more cp than the average player on console.

Post right after yours:

gjmgamesub17_ESO wrote: »

I love how people are saying pc transfers still have the advantage lol.

I'm not a transfer and I'm vr14 with 100 CP. And I'm lazy compared to my guildies and friends, a couple have 2 vr14 characters and almost 200 CP now as well. And that's not really even out of the ordinary.

The pc transfer excuse for your lack of skill is no longer valid.

What were you saying?

that is definetly out of the ordinary, since most players are barely vet 1, lets me direct you to the fact he said 'a couple' as in a few, not the average cp. Just because a few people decided to grind cp on console doesn't mean the entirety of console does.

If he only has 100 cp as a pc xfer then doesn't play much, at all even. The average pc xfer will have 200-300 easy simply because the games been out for 1 year; that was when then just xfered as well if i can get 100 in 3 months the the hardcore xfers on pc can get even more.

TL:DR ... in simple terms.

A casual console player is around vet 1-4 now.

A casual pc xfer has 200-300 cp before xfering because they had a 1 year advantage.

Then you have got to take into account that despite it being released on console even the players who played a lot would still take 3-4 weeks to even reach lvl 50 the first time, during this time the pc xfers will still be getting cp.

So just because the outliers ( e.g. the inactive/hardly play pc xfer and the play all the time, dedicated grinder that started on console) of the groups are close together doesn't mean the majority are close or will ever be close.

You're guilty of two logical fallacies:





If you want to argue a point in a thread, at least be prepared to listen to contravening evidence, mkay?

It would help if the people presenting the evidence actually played console, is this one of those pc master rave things? 'i don't even play that platform but because i'm on pc i know better'?

As I said, I have a PC and XB1 account and I play both. Next? Do I really have to look for another Logical Fallacy and post another image just to show that these tired attempted excuses for arguments are not in and of themselves refutations of arguments?

Probably.

Funkopotamus

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Da-Hummer!

Leep. bro I have to say I went to bed about 12 hours ago and I see you are STILL championing the PC master race resistance. I salute you sir.

The transfer never should have happened, but ZOS had to make amends to the neckbeards that paid to beta test this game so there you have it.

I was one of them and lost interest in the game after a few months of beta as I watched the changes being DE-developed. "people around then will get that! But I never got to transfer because I lost that interest and missed the cutoff limits.

Yes you are going to get harassed by the PC people. I do find it funny how there are PC players on you when they have never seen first hand how transfers ruined the game.

It's not hard to champion when all they literally say is 'L2P' though that has nothing to do with the Op.

It's like their just ignoring the actual posts and such and just saying 'cp isn't that great..'

It baffles me as well how they are so certain they are right on things that they haven't done or got, this is the first time i've seen the pc master race pride in action !

Well stick around the PCMR is strong around here. They kinda got hostile over the console players taking over their forums

But yes the CP is a broken system... And all of these people turning a blind eye will be crying ina year from now when this MMO cannot support itself anymore. I have said it before and I will say it again.

MMO'S only survive by the number of new players buying/joining the game are equal to or greater than the number of players leaving. This CP system will make it to where nobody will want to join a broken system where they will never be able to play on a competitive level with the other players!!

CP is broken and no new players will flock to ESO to only get trolled by the CP grinders.

FireCowCommando

Lee, people will agree with you that it WAS unfair for the first two months maybe? But now? At this point you are screaming about a house being on fire, when it is already put out.

There are more people who caught up to the transfers then the 300+ Transfer CP whales you are taking about.

Just to be safe: Its an old, outdated issue.