Ok, seriously, stop with the stacks of groups

frozywozy · August 2015

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

#RemovePurge

Purge op ~ 2 fire ballistas on top with oil and meatbag would wipe the stack of 100 for playing stupid-like (very smart and organized (c) zos) and staying on top of eachother. Yet ZoS trollnalysts cant figure it out. I should get paid for pointing them things that are broken and killing PvP ~

Then watch large zergs do the same thing against smaller groups, they already make a field of siege as soon as you bring 5 people. Siege change only benefit bigger numbers.

Your argument is invalid. It would not/doesn't punish small groups of players since they are not running purge anyways.

~~ Lets end this zergblob stacking ~~

#Remove/Rework Purge

The typical answer of people who don't want to see purge nerfed so they can keep rolling inside keeps spamming it and being totally invincible against siege. What those players avoid to mention at all cost tho is that open field battles don't win a campaign and a small group who engage a large group in open field is suicidal and should never win unless he can successfuly bait the larger group into some kind of choke point.

What win the war is keep battles and with enough sieges deployed on a breach, no group in the world should be able to run inside stacking up on top of each other with purges or not. With proper defense, it should be required to open a second breach to get inside the courtyard.

But the way purge is designed right now, no matter the defensive strategies, if you don't have another large organized group defending aswell, it is totally impossible to counter purge spamming large groups which is sad and boring.

I'm a vampire without fire resist enchant and WITHOUT purge on my bars. With one of the weakest shield in the game (igneous shield), I can also mitigate the damage of a cold fire treb easily just by spamming it. My health won't even go down! Siege damage is ridculous atm and they should either redesign purge, make siege damage or dots go through shields or something like that. Because once they decrease the weakness to fire even more for vampires, it will be even more ridiculous. Not that I'm sado but I would like to see siege deal more damage overall, especially against vampires.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · August 2015

From This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI#t=2m9s

To This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdMvMDYLd8A

Let's not forget where the ultimate blame lies. The game was designed as STILL IS advertised as having 100s of players on screen at the same time. This was clearly possible at launch.

We can go at eachothers throats all we like or change the way we play to accommodate a gimped game with so much missed potential or we can take the fight to the source.

Post your lag vids on youtube #ESOGAMEPLAY

eliisra · August 2015

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

#RemovePurge

Purge op ~ 2 fire ballistas on top with oil and meatbag would wipe the stack of 100 for playing stupid-like (very smart and organized (c) zos) and staying on top of eachother. Yet ZoS trollnalysts cant figure it out. I should get paid for pointing them things that are broken and killing PvP ~

Then watch large zergs do the same thing against smaller groups, they already make a field of siege as soon as you bring 5 people. Siege change only benefit bigger numbers.

Your argument is invalid. It would not/doesn't punish small groups of players since they are not running purge anyways.

~~ Lets end this zergblob stacking ~~

#Remove/Rework Purge

I think you mean that unorganized pugs aren't using Purge. They dont know any better, or prefer slotting that one extra dps skill that makes no difference.

Tactical small groups going up against zergs, they always use Purge. They cant play without it. They need it because getting bombarded by enemy tryhard siege and Meteor, but also to remove roots and snares for mobility, so they can kite away from the zerg of doom and avoid exploding.

I dont even get people thinking that siege somehow benefits the underdog faction lol. Stupidity? Because the more numbers you have, the more siege you can place, the more guys you can have protecting and healing the siegers and so on, it's that simple.

Mr_Nobody · August 2015

eliisra wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

#RemovePurge

Purge op ~ 2 fire ballistas on top with oil and meatbag would wipe the stack of 100 for playing stupid-like (very smart and organized (c) zos) and staying on top of eachother. Yet ZoS trollnalysts cant figure it out. I should get paid for pointing them things that are broken and killing PvP ~

Then watch large zergs do the same thing against smaller groups, they already make a field of siege as soon as you bring 5 people. Siege change only benefit bigger numbers.

Your argument is invalid. It would not/doesn't punish small groups of players since they are not running purge anyways.

~~ Lets end this zergblob stacking ~~

#Remove/Rework Purge

I think you mean that unorganized pugs aren't using Purge. They dont know any better, or prefer slotting that one extra dps skill that makes no difference.

Tactical small groups going up against zergs, they always use Purge. They cant play without it. They need it because getting bombarded by enemy tryhard siege and Meteor, but also to remove roots and snares for mobility, so they can kite away from the zerg of doom and avoid exploding.

I dont even get people thinking that siege somehow benefits the underdog faction lol. Stupidity? Because the more numbers you have, the more siege you can place, the more guys you can have protecting and healing the siegers and so on, it's that simple.

I have yet to see, as you call it, a tactical small group going up against a zerg. Does it include 24 players in your small group? (LOL) Most likely, i assume. I have successfully bombed zergblobs with actual small grps of max 5 people, and none of us would/or even ran Purge because it does not make a small group benefit of anything. Your point exactly explains why zergblobers like you run it.

You just confirmed that you cant deal with all the AoE disabling/damaging abilities which were meant to counter/punish blobs like yours. Yet Purge denies it.

#Remove/Rework Purge

Ishammael · August 2015

I actually really liked when purge was glitches to explode WoE and other ground AoEs.

PainfulFAFA · August 2015

Thew new v16 sets are just gonna make groups much stronger. 10% chance on hit to give shields to your allies?..... lmfao

Kupoking · August 2015

GRxKnight wrote: »

Inb4 "we play how we want and we don't care what anyone else thinks of us"... I seriously got that tell from one of their members a couple weeks ago after experiencing the same ***...Good thing we left said guild Ry

butthurt still?

Kupoking · August 2015

Rylana wrote: »

The guild knows who they are. Youve been doing it for so long youre a running joke by this point

You are the ones causing the lag, your 2-3 full raids all stacked together in the same place

Just fricken stop it, go get good or take three different objectives on the map at the same time or something, i mean 20 people is more than enough for everyone else

Why not for you

Why are you seriously destroying Cyrodiil and game performance in general on a nightly basis.

Stop being bads. Seriously, its been over a year. For once be intelligent enough to realize your "20 years of experience in guild wars 2" doesnt fricken apply here.

You know who you are.

The 100+ AD (seriously, not even an exaggeration, it may have actually been more if you count the ones outside) that were stacked inside the breach and flags at nikel outpost on Haderus PC NA at about 10pm last night.... that was a sick joke right? Whats worse is was mostly all the same guild being "pro"

You did much the same thing at Ash earlier in the evening as well. And even earlier on Azuras during a scroll take. But now youre guesting to other campaigns and bringing your BS there?

Id kinda like to play without 3000 ping thank you, so would the rest of ESO, now stop being dickbags.

PROTIP for your leader: It was never that red guild that was the lagswitch. it was always your guild and i see it quite clearly now. quite clearly.

And no, this isnt towards the guy named after a car, this is to the guy named after a restaurant chain or pair of shoes.

inb4 l2p, inb4 rylana umad, inb4 table condiments, inb4 lock, inb4 moderator, inb4 inb4

Rylana you should know better. You ran with us. We see you run in 50+ red raids. You must be really mad at your ex guild to post that *** here and try to clean your dirty laundry in public. If not well your just an hypocrith.

Look, Your personnal matter you had with said guild leader doesnt concerns anyone but yourself and doesnt excuse what you are doing right now.

So you like giving blows under the waist? well here one for you: with GoS having in their guild the most prolific exploiter in the game i.e blinxey, i'd say a zerg of 1000 players on your dead body is what you all deserve right now. Might deflate you and your guild's inflated ego.

Cry me a *** river man. Oh and the day youll man up and want to have a talk, you know in which TS to find me.

-Red'Ak

p.s: GW2 didnt exsist 20 years ago.

mrvbalc · August 2015

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

The guild knows who they are. Youve been doing it for so long youre a running joke by this point

You are the ones causing the lag, your 2-3 full raids all stacked together in the same place

Just fricken stop it, go get good or take three different objectives on the map at the same time or something, i mean 20 people is more than enough for everyone else

Why not for you

Why are you seriously destroying Cyrodiil and game performance in general on a nightly basis.

Stop being bads. Seriously, its been over a year. For once be intelligent enough to realize your "20 years of experience in guild wars 2" doesnt fricken apply here.

You know who you are.

The 100+ AD (seriously, not even an exaggeration, it may have actually been more if you count the ones outside) that were stacked inside the breach and flags at nikel outpost on Haderus PC NA at about 10pm last night.... that was a sick joke right? Whats worse is was mostly all the same guild being "pro"

You did much the same thing at Ash earlier in the evening as well. And even earlier on Azuras during a scroll take. But now youre guesting to other campaigns and bringing your BS there?

Id kinda like to play without 3000 ping thank you, so would the rest of ESO, now stop being dickbags.

PROTIP for your leader: It was never that red guild that was the lagswitch. it was always your guild and i see it quite clearly now. quite clearly.

And no, this isnt towards the guy named after a car, this is to the guy named after a restaurant chain or pair of shoes.

inb4 l2p, inb4 rylana umad, inb4 table condiments, inb4 lock, inb4 moderator, inb4 inb4

Rylana you should know better. You ran with us. We see you run in 50+ red raids. You must be really mad at your ex guild to post that *** here and try to clean your dirty laundry in public. If not well your just an hypocrith.

Look, Your personnal matter you had with said guild leader doesnt concerns anyone but yourself and doesnt excuse what you are doing right now.

So you like giving blows under the waist? well here one for you: with GoS having in their guild the most prolific exploiter in the game i.e blinxey, i'd say a zerg of 1000 players on your dead body is what you all deserve right now. Might deflate you and your guild's inflated ego.

Cry me a *** river man. Oh and the day youll man up and want to have a talk, you know in which TS to find me.

-Red'Ak

p.s: GW2 didnt exsist 20 years ago.

Well said
but red u should refrain from using names, u can use shadowy guild and streaky player for future references

Draxys · August 2015

bring back the purge bug and make it a legit feature plz, and bring woe back from nerfed oblivion

Kupoking · August 2015

Tell youself one thing: If said ad guild was lagging the server to win fights, how come they didnt win the lasts Azura Star campains? How come they did crown an emp since... I dont know *** when?

On the other hand... EP had perma emp lately it seems there.

Oh and one last thing: I never run across Lyzara Dyonisis by himself. Never. He always follows raids like Meth's groups. BUT when we gank his ass because hes the last of the tail of his party, 50 EP ruberband backwards to rez him/kill gankers. Nice lesson dude you shown us there. You really are the swarm.

Septimus_Magna · August 2015

Prox deto should have this in the tooltip: damage is increased by 10% per player hit, upto a maximum of 500%.

Also the AOE dmg should scale up instead of down when it comes to dmg to players. Think of it as splash dmg when you hit multiple players are in the same place. I understand that the AOE dmg reductions are needed for pve but the opposite is needed for pvp.

Either of these changes would greatly improve the gameplay in Cyrodiil. Zergs of 30+ will have a very dangerous counter, even a couple well coordinated players could take them out when they're on the flag, breach etc. This will disencourage zergs and they will break-up into smaller groups which gives smaller groups a better chance of defending a keep for example.

Rylana · August 2015

Wait what, I run with Meth on Azuras now?

Lol ive been to azuras a grand total of twice in the last month and one of those times I was on my blue.

Sorry red but youre just slinging now, youll find me usually in a 12 - 16 man GoS group on Haderus or Thornblade, I avoid AZ like the plague because of lag zergs and have for a long time. Once in a while we might coordinate a ring push on Had or somewhere with Nexus but most of the time they keep very much to themselves as we do.

Allied guilds =/= the same guild. Unlike yours we dont need 3 in house raids to accomplish anything. Hell my emp run on haderus just 2 weeks ago crowned me with a 14 man group. Whens the last time you did anything with 14 people. (I still remember your guild coming to haderus to try to dethrone me, coming oh so close, and being utterly obliterated by half your numbers at BRK once we called in some people to shut down the massive wall of humanity. Yeah we had to call in help just to get HALF your numbers.

Three raids of TKO could not depose me. 1 raid of Vehemence could. That should tell you where your skill level as a guild lies.

Like me, youre too good for that guild. unlike me, you didnt see the forest for the trees before you became a joke along with them. I tried to help you, to get you out, but for whatever reason you want to sit in the middle of 70 guys spamming abilities and farming AP at a rate of 5k/hour blaming everyone but yourselves for the horrid lag.

You guys werent even on my radar until you guested onto a small campaign again and caused craploads of lag for everyone. I dont care what you do on AZ or wherever youre homed. But coming to Haderus and flooding our server with your trash is where I draw the line of calling you out again on your bull.

Zavus · August 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Wait what, I run with Meth on Azuras now?

Lol ive been to azuras a grand total of twice in the last month and one of those times I was on my blue.

Sorry red but youre just slinging now, youll find me usually in a 12 - 16 man GoS group on Haderus or Thornblade, I avoid AZ like the plague because of lag zergs and have for a long time. Once in a while we might coordinate a ring push on Had or somewhere with Nexus but most of the time they keep very much to themselves as we do.

Allied guilds =/= the same guild. Unlike yours we dont need 3 in house raids to accomplish anything. Hell my emp run on haderus just 2 weeks ago crowned me with a 14 man group. Whens the last time you did anything with 14 people. (I still remember your guild coming to haderus to try to dethrone me, coming oh so close, and being utterly obliterated by half your numbers at BRK once we called in some people to shut down the massive wall of humanity. Yeah we had to call in help just to get HALF your numbers.

Three raids of TKO could not depose me. 1 raid of Vehemence could. That should tell you where your skill level as a guild lies.

Like me, youre too good for that guild. unlike me, you didnt see the forest for the trees before you became a joke along with them. I tried to help you, to get you out, but for whatever reason you want to sit in the middle of 70 guys spamming abilities and farming AP at a rate of 5k/hour blaming everyone but yourselves for the horrid lag.

You guys werent even on my radar until you guested onto a small campaign again and caused craploads of lag for everyone. I dont care what you do on AZ or wherever youre homed. But coming to Haderus and flooding our server with your trash is where I draw the line of calling you out again on your bull.

Kill em

-Meth

mrvbalc · August 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Wait what, I run with Meth on Azuras now?

Lol ive been to azuras a grand total of twice in the last month and one of those times I was on my blue.

Sorry red but youre just slinging now, youll find me usually in a 12 - 16 man GoS group on Haderus or Thornblade, I avoid AZ like the plague because of lag zergs and have for a long time. Once in a while we might coordinate a ring push on Had or somewhere with Nexus but most of the time they keep very much to themselves as we do.

Allied guilds =/= the same guild. Unlike yours we dont need 3 in house raids to accomplish anything. Hell my emp run on haderus just 2 weeks ago crowned me with a 14 man group. Whens the last time you did anything with 14 people. (I still remember your guild coming to haderus to try to dethrone me, coming oh so close, and being utterly obliterated by half your numbers at BRK once we called in some people to shut down the massive wall of humanity. Yeah we had to call in help just to get HALF your numbers.

Three raids of TKO could not depose me. 1 raid of Vehemence could. That should tell you where your skill level as a guild lies.

Like me, youre too good for that guild. unlike me, you didnt see the forest for the trees before you became a joke along with them. I tried to help you, to get you out, but for whatever reason you want to sit in the middle of 70 guys spamming abilities and farming AP at a rate of 5k/hour blaming everyone but yourselves for the horrid lag.

You guys werent even on my radar until you guested onto a small campaign again and caused craploads of lag for everyone. I dont care what you do on AZ or wherever youre homed. But coming to Haderus and flooding our server with your trash is where I draw the line of calling you out again on your bull.

We all know wat kind of help you called for,
So stop acting like you dont know anything about this lagswitch

xaraan · August 2015

ZoS shares the blame with these players. There are about half a dozen plus easy things they could roll out that would make zerging less appealing and help the lag issue in their game and they refuse to do it. Heck, they continue to make it easier and more appealing in most cases.

But you are right, it's always a certain handful of guilds spread throughout all three alliances that zerg up in obscene numbers because they are too terrible to be effective without outnumbering the other side 5 to 1. It's sad that they both need to do that and that zos seems to want it.

xaraan · August 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

From This:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI#t=2m9s

To This:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdMvMDYLd8A

Let's not forget where the ultimate blame lies. The game was designed as STILL IS advertised as having 100s of players on screen at the same time. This was clearly possible at launch.

We can go at eachothers throats all we like or change the way we play to accommodate a gimped game with so much missed potential or we can take the fight to the source.

Post your lag vids on youtube #ESOGAMEPLAY

This is true, but I've been in lag filled and non-lagged filled battles both with tons of people involved and locked pop. It's not just the amount of people I think, but the player check per person in a group (i.e. group size) and the stacking of players in a very concentrated spot. (Maybe losing the AoE diminishing returns cap and just let damage be damage would free up some of that background work). The time when I see the most lag is when groups stack up very tight and run in a blob. When that same amount of players is spread all over and fighting and probably not all in one group together, I've had some fun lag free play.

Huckdabuck · August 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Wait what, I run with Meth on Azuras now?

Lol ive been to azuras a grand total of twice in the last month and one of those times I was on my blue.

Sorry red but youre just slinging now, youll find me usually in a 12 - 16 man GoS group on Haderus or Thornblade, I avoid AZ like the plague because of lag zergs and have for a long time. Once in a while we might coordinate a ring push on Had or somewhere with Nexus but most of the time they keep very much to themselves as we do.

Allied guilds =/= the same guild. Unlike yours we dont need 3 in house raids to accomplish anything. Hell my emp run on haderus just 2 weeks ago crowned me with a 14 man group. Whens the last time you did anything with 14 people. (I still remember your guild coming to haderus to try to dethrone me, coming oh so close, and being utterly obliterated by half your numbers at BRK once we called in some people to shut down the massive wall of humanity. Yeah we had to call in help just to get HALF your numbers.

Three raids of TKO could not depose me. 1 raid of Vehemence could. That should tell you where your skill level as a guild lies.

Like me, youre too good for that guild. unlike me, you didnt see the forest for the trees before you became a joke along with them. I tried to help you, to get you out, but for whatever reason you want to sit in the middle of 70 guys spamming abilities and farming AP at a rate of 5k/hour blaming everyone but yourselves for the horrid lag.

You guys werent even on my radar until you guested onto a small campaign again and caused craploads of lag for everyone. I dont care what you do on AZ or wherever youre homed. But coming to Haderus and flooding our server with your trash is where I draw the line of calling you out again on your bull.

#REKT

Cody · August 2015

is it still the same people or is it someone new?

Rylana · August 2015

xaraan wrote: »

ZoS shares the blame with these players. There are about half a dozen plus easy things they could roll out that would make zerging less appealing and help the lag issue in their game and they refuse to do it. Heck, they continue to make it easier and more appealing in most cases.

But you are right, it's always a certain handful of guilds spread throughout all three alliances that zerg up in obscene numbers because they are too terrible to be effective without outnumbering the other side 5 to 1. It's sad that they both need to do that and that zos seems to want it.

I dont disagree about ZoS taking the blame for their shoddy server performance, but my entire point is most of us adapted and adjusted to try to minimize lag problems with smaller raid sizes, spreading objectives and just having as good of fights as we can

Then you get people like the guild in question that wont change, knowingly and intentionally contribute to the problem and act indignant like they did nothing wrong.

If someone is stacking three raids purposely knowing full well their strategy is contributing to the lag, and then dont take measures to correct it when called out on it, then they are even more to blame in my opinion.

Why cant they do what the rest of us did while still remaining very competitive.

stewie_801 · August 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YioIw1dNnts
Here's the fight Rylanna is talking about in question.

Rylana · August 2015

stewie_801 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YioIw1dNnts
Here's the fight Rylanna is talking about in question.

Sucks that you have to read the flytext to get a good idea of how many youre really hitting in that barn. They had over 40 stacked on that crate. At one point I mentioned a single meteor of mine hit 26 at once (check my ftc post to chat around the eight minute mark of a +25 hit), and that was OUTSIDE. The stack in the barn was a completely different group of them, the one outside retreated to the flag and were spamming there.

Had to have been 50 AD at that resource, most in your vid werent even rendering it seemed.

Also note that in the very opening of the recording, 2 minutes in or so, they literally lag bombed us with about 30 meteors, if you listen closely you can hear them going off and I even comment on it (do you hear that?)

And yes I clearly call them bitchtits @ 3:20 and clearly fight fire with fire. At least ill admit it. XD

themdogesbite · August 2015

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

#RemovePurge

Purge op ~ 2 fire ballistas on top with oil and meatbag would wipe the stack of 100 for playing stupid-like (very smart and organized (c) zos) and staying on top of eachother. Yet ZoS trollnalysts cant figure it out. I should get paid for pointing them things that are broken and killing PvP ~

Then watch large zergs do the same thing against smaller groups, they already make a field of siege as soon as you bring 5 people. Siege change only benefit bigger numbers.

Your argument is invalid. It would not/doesn't punish small groups of players since they are not running purge anyways.

~~ Lets end this zergblob stacking ~~

#Remove/Rework Purge

lol.

I guess you´ve never been at chalman milegate.

SedoUmbra · August 2015

ThyIronFist wrote: »

To be honest I'm finding it hard to blame ZOS anymore at this point... it's just the player mentality. All people do nowadays is run in 24-48 man groups. It's really pathetic. Solo / small scale is dead. Ever since the removal of FCs it's been the same old zergfests and same old large groups ruining PvP.

You try to take a keep solo. Good Luck.

Ingenium01 · August 2015

Don't spam meteor but it's ok to spam Dawnbreaker and Talons 20 times in 15 seconds...

Joy_Division · August 2015

Rylana wrote: »

stewie_801 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YioIw1dNnts
Here's the fight Rylanna is talking about in question.

Sucks that you have to read the flytext to get a good idea of how many youre really hitting in that barn. They had over 40 stacked on that crate. At one point I mentioned a single meteor of mine hit 26 at once (check my ftc post to chat around the eight minute mark of a +25 hit), and that was OUTSIDE. The stack in the barn was a completely different group of them, the one outside retreated to the flag and were spamming there.

Had to have been 50 AD at that resource, most in your vid werent even rendering it seemed.

Also note that in the very opening of the recording, 2 minutes in or so, they literally lag bombed us with about 30 meteors, if you listen closely you can hear them going off and I even comment on it (do you hear that?)

And yes I clearly call them bitchtits @ 3:20 and clearly fight fire with fire. At least ill admit it. XD

So you complain about getting meteor lagged ... and then spam meteor back at them?

I find your attempts at self-policing the PvP community amusing.

Bezilar · August 2015

Garion wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ingenium01 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/-DV9TwsosyI?t=2m12s

oh my god lol. is that console? thats... about what nikel looked like in my OP. but.... just lol

(just looked at the video date, god those were the days when ESO had lots of people but no lag. WHY DO GROUP THIS BIG LAG US SO MUCH NOW)

also that dude screaming is epic

That's from the early days of the game, when things actually worked.

Yep, the early days of the game....most were low levels with no barrage of aoe effects or high quality lighting. Angry Joe was the reason behind the massive AD population at roll out from his game review after the last beta session.

Kupoking · August 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Wait what, I run with Meth on Azuras now?

Lol ive been to azuras a grand total of twice in the last month and one of those times I was on my blue.

Sorry red but youre just slinging now, youll find me usually in a 12 - 16 man GoS group on Haderus or Thornblade, I avoid AZ like the plague because of lag zergs and have for a long time. Once in a while we might coordinate a ring push on Had or somewhere with Nexus but most of the time they keep very much to themselves as we do.

Allied guilds =/= the same guild. Unlike yours we dont need 3 in house raids to accomplish anything. Hell my emp run on haderus just 2 weeks ago crowned me with a 14 man group. Whens the last time you did anything with 14 people. (I still remember your guild coming to haderus to try to dethrone me, coming oh so close, and being utterly obliterated by half your numbers at BRK once we called in some people to shut down the massive wall of humanity. Yeah we had to call in help just to get HALF your numbers.

Three raids of TKO could not depose me. 1 raid of Vehemence could. That should tell you where your skill level as a guild lies.

Like me, youre too good for that guild. unlike me, you didnt see the forest for the trees before you became a joke along with them. I tried to help you, to get you out, but for whatever reason you want to sit in the middle of 70 guys spamming abilities and farming AP at a rate of 5k/hour blaming everyone but yourselves for the horrid lag.

You guys werent even on my radar until you guested onto a small campaign again and caused craploads of lag for everyone. I dont care what you do on AZ or wherever youre homed. But coming to Haderus and flooding our server with your trash is where I draw the line of calling you out again on your bull.

We see gos' raidleader run with meths grp all the time along woth other gos members.

Your 12-16 man grp? we see it, around 1-2 24 men groups usually in haderus also.

You know whats the main difference between us though? We do it only 3 nights a week, rest of the time were split on 2-6 unorganized gank groups. You guys (GoS) however, are in or around zergballs everytime. Except when out of prime time... But I guess to stomping grps of 2-3 players with your 12-16 man grp is reeeeeally impressive.

xaraan · August 2015

Rylana wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

ZoS shares the blame with these players. There are about half a dozen plus easy things they could roll out that would make zerging less appealing and help the lag issue in their game and they refuse to do it. Heck, they continue to make it easier and more appealing in most cases.

But you are right, it's always a certain handful of guilds spread throughout all three alliances that zerg up in obscene numbers because they are too terrible to be effective without outnumbering the other side 5 to 1. It's sad that they both need to do that and that zos seems to want it.

I dont disagree about ZoS taking the blame for their shoddy server performance, but my entire point is most of us adapted and adjusted to try to minimize lag problems with smaller raid sizes, spreading objectives and just having as good of fights as we can

Then you get people like the guild in question that wont change, knowingly and intentionally contribute to the problem and act indignant like they did nothing wrong.

If someone is stacking three raids purposely knowing full well their strategy is contributing to the lag, and then dont take measures to correct it when called out on it, then they are even more to blame in my opinion.

Why cant they do what the rest of us did while still remaining very competitive.

Sure, but there will always be trolls and a-hole players in pvp games, it's up to the people behind the game to put measures in place to address it. If there were a bunch in place and it was still happening, I'd put it all on the players; but there are an easy dozen things they could roll out to address zerging (and it would fix their lag issues some and improve their game) but they refuse. They want this game based on mindless gameplay, which is why they are rolling out the insta-spawn/call of duty combat in IC.

You aren't wrong in calling out particular guilds though. All three factions have groups that do it. We've fought 20+ guys with 8 and wiped them, that's why they keep doing it - they aren't good enough to win without stacking up an obscene amount of numbers. I guess I aim my anger at ZoS being their game and they have the ability to do something about it - all I can feel toward the zerg guilds is to feel sorry for them.

Kupoking · August 2015

And dont dare us to go in there and start using lag to our advantage.

The main reason were not doing stuff like dethrone emp or swarm scrolls is that we try to avoid those situations, thus being the main reason we dont focus on the scoreboard anymore or on who's name is written on the emp line.

Why you keep going at us all the time, knowing you will create lag, is beyond my understanding. I guess you want to prove something. Its still funny how we encounter OTHER large forces of OTHER guilds and have epic 50 vs 50 fights lagless. And I have videos to prove it.

Now you can keep going at it Rylana and settle you personnal matter with BKs on public. BUT The day we will have enough though and start doing the lag thing for real, you will freak the *** out.

P.S. dont lecture us on that subjet anymore especially since blinxey is now a member of GoS.