Sigh these pc transfers....

markt84 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I read all posts.

I am unhappy with the transfers. Why? Because this is my first MMO (I do not own a computer) and I really wanted that experience of being on the first wave of players.

You know where everyone wants to do a dungeon because it hasn't been done before, where guilds have large participation throughout all levels because not everyone is V14. Where you can see a Vet 1 and be impressed he got there so quickly.

I missed all of that, most guild leaders (of large guilds actually worth being apart of) are PC transfers. Crafting (which I love) will not make me any value, as there are crafters making things for people day one. Ill be a day late and a dollar short.

But it doesn't matter, especially now that so much time has passed.

Im really hoping some new people come in around Christmas. I really want to make someone's day with a handcrafted armor peice.

U can make my day by crafting some v6 set pieces, having trouble finding cooling looking helmets to make me want to change my necromancer helmet. I wanna run 3-4 light sets that boost my magic, and 3-4 to boost my I don't know resistance and damage. Been running pants, gloves, and helmet necro and chest, belt, and shoulder construction or something. I need a new set up, been wearing the same set gear since v1......so tired of it. X1 na by the way, you would make my day with some new gear

Ask for Seducer 5, Bulwark 3. I mean, Bulwark isn't really an optimal pick, but it will give you additional armor if you really want it.

wouldn't a 5 magus, 2-3 torugs pact be better?

Magnus you're gambling on getting a discount. Seducer you will get one all the time. I mean, if you're doing resto, Eyes of Mara might actually be better, but seducer's a good entry level set. There's long discussions crunching the numbers, but of the two, Seducer is safer than Magnus.

Willows might be another option. I don't have a lot of experience with it, but that regen up could help.

Like I said, Bulwark isn't optimal, but if you want more physical resist, it'll give you an armor up in the 2pc bonus, (and I think health on the 3pc, but I'd need to check.)

Torug's is spell damage and health up on the 3pc. So, while that would help a little with durability, it's not what you were actually asking for.

I really don't care what the heavy give me, just as long as it looks cool and it's some stam buff regen set. I use stam but not enough to care about when it comes to my set buffs

A heavy chest and shoulder pads that are imperial would be awesome, any imperial style sets?

Sithisvoid · August 2015

markt84 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I read all posts.

I am unhappy with the transfers. Why? Because this is my first MMO (I do not own a computer) and I really wanted that experience of being on the first wave of players.

You know where everyone wants to do a dungeon because it hasn't been done before, where guilds have large participation throughout all levels because not everyone is V14. Where you can see a Vet 1 and be impressed he got there so quickly.

I missed all of that, most guild leaders (of large guilds actually worth being apart of) are PC transfers. Crafting (which I love) will not make me any value, as there are crafters making things for people day one. Ill be a day late and a dollar short.

But it doesn't matter, especially now that so much time has passed.

Im really hoping some new people come in around Christmas. I really want to make someone's day with a handcrafted armor peice.

U can make my day by crafting some v6 set pieces, having trouble finding cooling looking helmets to make me want to change my necromancer helmet. I wanna run 3-4 light sets that boost my magic, and 3-4 to boost my I don't know resistance and damage. Been running pants, gloves, and helmet necro and chest, belt, and shoulder construction or something. I need a new set up, been wearing the same set gear since v1......so tired of it. X1 na by the way, you would make my day with some new gear

Ask for Seducer 5, Bulwark 3. I mean, Bulwark isn't really an optimal pick, but it will give you additional armor if you really want it.

wouldn't a 5 magus, 2-3 torugs pact be better?

Magnus you're gambling on getting a discount. Seducer you will get one all the time. I mean, if you're doing resto, Eyes of Mara might actually be better, but seducer's a good entry level set. There's long discussions crunching the numbers, but of the two, Seducer is safer than Magnus.

Willows might be another option. I don't have a lot of experience with it, but that regen up could help.

Like I said, Bulwark isn't optimal, but if you want more physical resist, it'll give you an armor up in the 2pc bonus, (and I think health on the 3pc, but I'd need to check.)

Torug's is spell damage and health up on the 3pc. So, while that would help a little with durability, it's not what you were actually asking for.

I really don't care what the heavy give me, just as long as it looks cool and it's some stam buff regen set. I use stam but not enough to care about when it comes to my set buffs

A heavy chest and shoulder pads that are imperial would be awesome, any imperial style sets?

Yeah you can make the craftable sets Imperial. Here's a list of them http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Set+Bonus+Crafting+Locations

starkerealm · August 2015

markt84 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

markt84 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I read all posts.

I am unhappy with the transfers. Why? Because this is my first MMO (I do not own a computer) and I really wanted that experience of being on the first wave of players.

You know where everyone wants to do a dungeon because it hasn't been done before, where guilds have large participation throughout all levels because not everyone is V14. Where you can see a Vet 1 and be impressed he got there so quickly.

I missed all of that, most guild leaders (of large guilds actually worth being apart of) are PC transfers. Crafting (which I love) will not make me any value, as there are crafters making things for people day one. Ill be a day late and a dollar short.

But it doesn't matter, especially now that so much time has passed.

Im really hoping some new people come in around Christmas. I really want to make someone's day with a handcrafted armor peice.

U can make my day by crafting some v6 set pieces, having trouble finding cooling looking helmets to make me want to change my necromancer helmet. I wanna run 3-4 light sets that boost my magic, and 3-4 to boost my I don't know resistance and damage. Been running pants, gloves, and helmet necro and chest, belt, and shoulder construction or something. I need a new set up, been wearing the same set gear since v1......so tired of it. X1 na by the way, you would make my day with some new gear

Ask for Seducer 5, Bulwark 3. I mean, Bulwark isn't really an optimal pick, but it will give you additional armor if you really want it.

wouldn't a 5 magus, 2-3 torugs pact be better?

Magnus you're gambling on getting a discount. Seducer you will get one all the time. I mean, if you're doing resto, Eyes of Mara might actually be better, but seducer's a good entry level set. There's long discussions crunching the numbers, but of the two, Seducer is safer than Magnus.

Willows might be another option. I don't have a lot of experience with it, but that regen up could help.

Like I said, Bulwark isn't optimal, but if you want more physical resist, it'll give you an armor up in the 2pc bonus, (and I think health on the 3pc, but I'd need to check.)

Torug's is spell damage and health up on the 3pc. So, while that would help a little with durability, it's not what you were actually asking for.

I really don't care what the heavy give me, just as long as it looks cool and it's some stam buff regen set. I use stam but not enough to care about when it comes to my set buffs

A heavy chest and shoulder pads that are imperial would be awesome, any imperial style sets?

Crafted sets can be made in any armor type, and any motif. So, you can get exactly the aesthetics you want, and the armor type you want. Want a spell caster in heavy armor? You can use Seducer to get some of the benifits you'd have from a light armor spell caster.

There's still a discussion on if it's better to just flat play to your strengths, or to create a well rounded build. Generally for PvP and late game PvE, it's the former, but you can do stuff like Light Armor Alessia's Bulwark or heavy armor Seudcer if you want. And for most of the game they'll work fine. Honestly, even in vet dungeons and trials a few bits of bulwark on a DPS can be enough to keep them breathing until the healer can get to them.

So, in that respect, Crafted sets are freakin' wonderful for just messing around and trying to come up with interesting approaches to the game, and it turns out, some of those really do perform at endgame.

RedTalon · August 2015

Those are built into the game problems that never where fixed

starkerealm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

I do run into some really tough obvious pc transfers but if anything I have to thank them for making me a better player. I mean if they weren't kicking my butt how would I learn? lol

You can tell when you hit a pc transfer when they decide to 10k steel tornado you to death... xD

Could just be a high crit chance and high weapon damage. I'm a very one shotty archer on my nightblade. He can't do much upfront sustained dps I should have rolled redgaurd or Imperial but with potions and buffs like rally and relentless focus, as well as camouflaged hunter the damage gets silly fast.

@Sithisvoid I like how Lee's argument here is basically that console players are literally too stupid or incompetent to make a pure stamina build. Of course, I also think of Twin Peaks every time I look at his username. So, you know, I might have some bias here.

EDIT: And yes, you can get your weap crit to around 60% fairly easily (though it does take a CR of 90). So, critting on three out of five strikes for around 10k each is a real possibility.

lol? not idea how you got that idea, it's more along the lines of pc xfers having fully maxed stamina builds with the highest level gear when people were lvl 10. That on top of that is a few hundred cp's which adds 25% stamina/hp/magicka, allowed to to infinitely sustain themselves with the cp and increase their dmg by 25%~.

But sure a new console player making a max stamina build would basically be the same (in spirit at least)also people stack weapon dmg, not stamina as it's a lot easier and more efficient to stack weapon dmg.. but hey your the 5 star pc elitist.

It might have something to do with knowing that a player can get from walking out of the tutorial to Vet 14 in about 40-45 hours. That's less than a month of casual playing. Less with some experimentation and practice.

This is stuff that was learned within a week of the PC launch and remains true on the current builds.

If ESO had launched for consoles a week ago, then, yeah, you're going up against imported V14s who knew the systems you were just starting to learn.

But, it's August. The game launched in June for you. It's been nearly three months. You've had home grown V14s in top tier gear for about a month and a half to two months now. Unless you're trying to say that Console players are somehow unable to actually learn how the game functions, can't learn to handle the crafting system, and can't learn to farm for XP. If that's the case, then I'm afraid you're saddly mistaken. You're getting creamed by high end PvPers. Some of them came over from the PC, but in blaming the PC transfers and saying, "well I could never compete with that," you're actually making life easier for the PvPers (homegrown and transfers) that are griefing you, by giving up and saying you can never be competitive with them. Throwing your hands up, and crying, instead of continuing to fight.

And I say this as someone who has splattered V14s in Cyrodiil on their lowbies. Lowbies with fewer champion points, and blue gear that was levels below, against "unbeatable" FotM built V14s.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

I do run into some really tough obvious pc transfers but if anything I have to thank them for making me a better player. I mean if they weren't kicking my butt how would I learn? lol

You can tell when you hit a pc transfer when they decide to 10k steel tornado you to death... xD

Could just be a high crit chance and high weapon damage. I'm a very one shotty archer on my nightblade. He can't do much upfront sustained dps I should have rolled redgaurd or Imperial but with potions and buffs like rally and relentless focus, as well as camouflaged hunter the damage gets silly fast.

@Sithisvoid I like how Lee's argument here is basically that console players are literally too stupid or incompetent to make a pure stamina build. Of course, I also think of Twin Peaks every time I look at his username. So, you know, I might have some bias here.

EDIT: And yes, you can get your weap crit to around 60% fairly easily (though it does take a CR of 90). So, critting on three out of five strikes for around 10k each is a real possibility.

lol? not idea how you got that idea, it's more along the lines of pc xfers having fully maxed stamina builds with the highest level gear when people were lvl 10. That on top of that is a few hundred cp's which adds 25% stamina/hp/magicka, allowed to to infinitely sustain themselves with the cp and increase their dmg by 25%~.

But sure a new console player making a max stamina build would basically be the same (in spirit at least)also people stack weapon dmg, not stamina as it's a lot easier and more efficient to stack weapon dmg.. but hey your the 5 star pc elitist.

It might have something to do with knowing that a player can get from walking out of the tutorial to Vet 14 in about 40-45 hours. That's less than a month of casual playing. Less with some experimentation and practice.

This is stuff that was learned within a week of the PC launch and remains true on the current builds.

If ESO had launched for consoles a week ago, then, yeah, you're going up against imported V14s who knew the systems you were just starting to learn.

But, it's August. The game launched in June for you. It's been nearly three months. You've had home grown V14s in top tier gear for about a month and a half to two months now. Unless you're trying to say that Console players are somehow unable to actually learn how the game functions, can't learn to handle the crafting system, and can't learn to farm for XP. If that's the case, then I'm afraid you're saddly mistaken. You're getting creamed by high end PvPers. Some of them came over from the PC, but in blaming the PC transfers and saying, "well I could never compete with that," you're actually making life easier for the PvPers (homegrown and transfers) that are griefing you, by giving up and saying you can never be competitive with them. Throwing your hands up, and crying, instead of continuing to fight.

And I say this as someone who has splattered V14s in Cyrodiil on their lowbies. Lowbies with fewer champion points, and blue gear that was levels below, against "unbeatable" FotM built V14s.

I'm saying that console players hone grown or not will not catch pc xfers with cp points, the xfer had at least around 200 when the console servers started, now 3 months later people with vet 14 on console ( i have one myself) have roughly 100~ cps if they play a lot, even then the xfers will still have 200 more thab them because cp gain is linear, 400k exp each points, so when a console player gets one so will a xfer players.

They will always have that advantage and thats just the casual xfers, some of the ones who grinded cp and play a lot more will have a bigger gap. Theres no catch up mechanic, cp's should of been like xp gain, less exp when you have less and the cost of 1 cp increases the more you have.

RatedChaotic · August 2015

All factions have pc transfers. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

Now if everyone that transfered from pc went to one faction I could see the problem there. But they didnt.

TequilaFire · August 2015

LOL at transfers with 1000's of CP statement.

starkerealm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm saying that console players hone grown or not will not catch pc xfers with cp points, the xfer had at least around 200 when the console servers started, now 3 months later people with vet 14 on console ( i have one myself) have roughly 100~ cps if they play a lot, even then the xfers will still have 200 more thab them because cp gain is linear, 400k exp each points, so when a console player gets one so will a xfer players.

If you have 100 CP, then you already know the system isn't linear. The points are, but the actual value of those points decays quickly. Yes, you get a CP every 100k experience, but what that CP can buy? Your first couple got you a couple % up in various things, but after that it dropped off sharply.

That's why you see people saying the difference between a CR300 and a CR1k is negligible. It's actually less than the difference between a CR0 and a CR30.

So you can look at the CR grinders who are hitting you for 30k and complain about how, "well that one attack hit so hard," but, really, the only thing their CP did, that yours couldn't, was add 100-250 points of damage.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They will always have that advantage and thats just the casual xfers, some of the ones who grinded cp and play a lot more will have a bigger gap. Theres no catch up mechanic, cp's should of been like xp gain, less exp when you have less and the cost of 1 cp increases the more you have.

No, casual transfers may very well have less CP than you do.

You can cry about how everyone who came over from PC has more CP than you, but my CR, On PC, right now is 101.

Now, if you're blindly putting all your points into three stars and trying to max them out, then, yes, another CR100, myself included, will have a significant statistical advantage. Don't allocate your champion builds like that. Put 10 points in three stars in a tree to build for the 30pt passive, then move to another constellation. If you want all four stars, divide your 30 equally among them. The first points you put in any star get you more than the points that follow. There are diminishing returns. So distribute those points evenly. It will make your characters a lot beefier.

And that's the only real difference between you and a CR600 smearing you across the walls. They know to spread their points out rather than focusing on a single star.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm saying that console players hone grown or not will not catch pc xfers with cp points, the xfer had at least around 200 when the console servers started, now 3 months later people with vet 14 on console ( i have one myself) have roughly 100~ cps if they play a lot, even then the xfers will still have 200 more thab them because cp gain is linear, 400k exp each points, so when a console player gets one so will a xfer players.

If you have 100 CP, then you already know the system isn't linear. The points are, but the actual value of those points decays quickly. Yes, you get a CP every 100k experience, but what that CP can buy? Your first couple got you a couple % up in various things, but after that it dropped off sharply.

That's why you see people saying the difference between a CR300 and a CR1k is negligible. It's actually less than the difference between a CR0 and a CR30.

So you can look at the CR grinders who are hitting you for 30k and complain about how, "well that one attack hit so hard," but, really, the only thing their CP did, that yours couldn't, was add 100-250 points of damage.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They will always have that advantage and thats just the casual xfers, some of the ones who grinded cp and play a lot more will have a bigger gap. Theres no catch up mechanic, cp's should of been like xp gain, less exp when you have less and the cost of 1 cp increases the more you have.

No, casual transfers may very well have less CP than you do.

You can cry about how everyone who came over from PC has more CP than you, but my CR, On PC, right now is 101.

Now, if you're blindly putting all your points into three stars and trying to max them out, then, yes, another CR100, myself included, will have a significant statistical advantage. Don't allocate your champion builds like that. Put 10 points in three stars in a tree to build for the 30pt passive, then move to another constellation. If you want all four stars, divide your 30 equally among them. The first points you put in any star get you more than the points that follow. There are diminishing returns. So distribute those points evenly. It will make your characters a lot beefier.

And that's the only real difference between you and a CR600 smearing you across the walls. They know to spread their points out rather than focusing on a single star.

I already know how to spread my points , not sure why you assumed i didn't,

your telling me 0-30 (30 cps) has the time difference as 300-1k (700 cps), think you exaggerated just a little bit there.

Those extra 200 can let people max the ones they need and get 10% in other stuff by spreading the rest out, it does make a difference.

Waffennacht · August 2015

When i get time to play, ill work on that armor. Just gonna be away from xbox for a few days

Hey how do u get that vet 14 in 50 hours? Where is a good place to level low level vets?

zornyan · August 2015

You do know after 300 CP you get diminishing returns right? As in 0-300 there is a gap, but 300-600 there's literially the smallest of differences.

You seem like an angry child that wants to blame everyone else for his lack of skill, may I suggest you play the game instead of blaming xyz for your inability to survive.

starkerealm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I already know how to spread my points , not sure why you assumed i didn't,

Because almost every other sentence you write makes me think, "no, this guy really doesn't understand how to play The Elder Scrolls Online."

Take this one for instance:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

your telling me 0-30 (30 cps) has the time difference as 300-1k (700 cps), think you exaggerated just a little bit there.

It's not about time commitment, it's about the value of the reward. The raw statistical increases that you get from 0 to 30 are roughly equilvant to the jump you get from 300 to 1k. If you're distributing your points intelligently.

Or This one:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Those extra 200 can let people max the ones they need and get 10% in other stuff by spreading the rest out, it does make a difference.

If you're think about maxing out anything with 300 CP, you have screwed up. Stop typing. Go back. Reread what I said earlier.

The best distribution for 300cp is 10 points spread out over 30 stars. The exception is the Attronach, where you're hard pressed to find three, simultaneously, valuable stars to sink points into.

You notice what I didn't say there? I didn't say put 100 points in anything. Because if you're below about 1600 CP, you shouldn't be thinking about maxing out any star. If you do that, you will screw yourself over.

So, yeah, that's why I assume you don't. Not, "I assumed you didn't." Why I still assume you don't.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I already know how to spread my points , not sure why you assumed i didn't,

Because almost every other sentence you write makes me think, "no, this guy really doesn't understand how to play The Elder Scrolls Online."

Take this one for instance:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

your telling me 0-30 (30 cps) has the time difference as 300-1k (700 cps), think you exaggerated just a little bit there.

It's not about time commitment, it's about the value of the reward. The raw statistical increases that you get from 0 to 30 are roughly equilvant to the jump you get from 300 to 1k. If you're distributing your points intelligently.

Or This one:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Those extra 200 can let people max the ones they need and get 10% in other stuff by spreading the rest out, it does make a difference.

If you're think about maxing out anything with 300 CP, you have screwed up. Stop typing. Go back. Reread what I said earlier.

The best distribution for 300cp is 10 points spread out over 30 stars. The exception is the Attronach, where you're hard pressed to find three, simultaneously, valuable stars to sink points into.

You notice what I didn't say there? I didn't say put 100 points in anything. Because if you're below about 1600 CP, you shouldn't be thinking about maxing out any star. If you do that, you will screw yourself over.

So, yeah, that's why I assume you don't. Not, "I assumed you didn't." Why I still assume you don't.

You need to re read what i said, by max i didn't mean sink 100 into a star, i mean't sinking 30 before diminishing returns hits harder.

Though you say spread them over 30 stars but most of the time most stars don't actually benefits certain builds.

starkerealm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I already know how to spread my points , not sure why you assumed i didn't,

Because almost every other sentence you write makes me think, "no, this guy really doesn't understand how to play The Elder Scrolls Online."

Take this one for instance:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

your telling me 0-30 (30 cps) has the time difference as 300-1k (700 cps), think you exaggerated just a little bit there.

It's not about time commitment, it's about the value of the reward. The raw statistical increases that you get from 0 to 30 are roughly equilvant to the jump you get from 300 to 1k. If you're distributing your points intelligently.

Or This one:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Those extra 200 can let people max the ones they need and get 10% in other stuff by spreading the rest out, it does make a difference.

If you're think about maxing out anything with 300 CP, you have screwed up. Stop typing. Go back. Reread what I said earlier.

The best distribution for 300cp is 10 points spread out over 30 stars. The exception is the Attronach, where you're hard pressed to find three, simultaneously, valuable stars to sink points into.

You notice what I didn't say there? I didn't say put 100 points in anything. Because if you're below about 1600 CP, you shouldn't be thinking about maxing out any star. If you do that, you will screw yourself over.

So, yeah, that's why I assume you don't. Not, "I assumed you didn't." Why I still assume you don't.

You need to re read what i said, by max i didn't mean sink 100 into a star, i mean't sinking 30 before diminishing returns hits harder.

Though you say spread them over 30 stars but most of the time most stars don't actually benefits certain builds.

._.

Then learn to play. Also, learn math. I'm not sure there's anything else I can help you with. I can tell you, you can bag people way over your CR in Cyrodiil. But, if you don't know what you're doing, all the CP in the game won't save you.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I already know how to spread my points , not sure why you assumed i didn't,

Because almost every other sentence you write makes me think, "no, this guy really doesn't understand how to play The Elder Scrolls Online."

Take this one for instance:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

your telling me 0-30 (30 cps) has the time difference as 300-1k (700 cps), think you exaggerated just a little bit there.

It's not about time commitment, it's about the value of the reward. The raw statistical increases that you get from 0 to 30 are roughly equilvant to the jump you get from 300 to 1k. If you're distributing your points intelligently.

Or This one:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Those extra 200 can let people max the ones they need and get 10% in other stuff by spreading the rest out, it does make a difference.

If you're think about maxing out anything with 300 CP, you have screwed up. Stop typing. Go back. Reread what I said earlier.

The best distribution for 300cp is 10 points spread out over 30 stars. The exception is the Attronach, where you're hard pressed to find three, simultaneously, valuable stars to sink points into.

You notice what I didn't say there? I didn't say put 100 points in anything. Because if you're below about 1600 CP, you shouldn't be thinking about maxing out any star. If you do that, you will screw yourself over.

So, yeah, that's why I assume you don't. Not, "I assumed you didn't." Why I still assume you don't.

You need to re read what i said, by max i didn't mean sink 100 into a star, i mean't sinking 30 before diminishing returns hits harder.

Though you say spread them over 30 stars but most of the time most stars don't actually benefits certain builds.

._.

Then learn to play. Also, learn math. I'm not sure there's anything else I can help you with. I can tell you, you can bag people way over your CR in Cyrodiil. But, if you don't know what you're doing, all the CP in the game won't save you.

Just curious are you a pc xfer? i know what i'm doing, you can easily tell when you find a pc xfer in cyrodiil and if there 300 cp ahead of you theres nothing you can do.

GeekReaper · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Got to love these vet 14 pc transfer guilds, bringing exploits into console pvp!

We have glitching through gate to get elder scroll.

Glitching into keeps.

Making alts in other factions just to mess up their attacks.

Such a great idea it was allowing them to come over with their 200+ cp maxed characters.

I must have PVP'd with you yesterday. My group was talking about people able to chain pull themselves into keeps as the guy goes through the door, and how a guy we were playing with went to the other faction to hault our secret assault lol

starkerealm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I already know how to spread my points , not sure why you assumed i didn't,

Because almost every other sentence you write makes me think, "no, this guy really doesn't understand how to play The Elder Scrolls Online."

Take this one for instance:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

your telling me 0-30 (30 cps) has the time difference as 300-1k (700 cps), think you exaggerated just a little bit there.

It's not about time commitment, it's about the value of the reward. The raw statistical increases that you get from 0 to 30 are roughly equilvant to the jump you get from 300 to 1k. If you're distributing your points intelligently.

Or This one:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Those extra 200 can let people max the ones they need and get 10% in other stuff by spreading the rest out, it does make a difference.

If you're think about maxing out anything with 300 CP, you have screwed up. Stop typing. Go back. Reread what I said earlier.

The best distribution for 300cp is 10 points spread out over 30 stars. The exception is the Attronach, where you're hard pressed to find three, simultaneously, valuable stars to sink points into.

You notice what I didn't say there? I didn't say put 100 points in anything. Because if you're below about 1600 CP, you shouldn't be thinking about maxing out any star. If you do that, you will screw yourself over.

So, yeah, that's why I assume you don't. Not, "I assumed you didn't." Why I still assume you don't.

You need to re read what i said, by max i didn't mean sink 100 into a star, i mean't sinking 30 before diminishing returns hits harder.

Though you say spread them over 30 stars but most of the time most stars don't actually benefits certain builds.

._.

Then learn to play. Also, learn math. I'm not sure there's anything else I can help you with. I can tell you, you can bag people way over your CR in Cyrodiil. But, if you don't know what you're doing, all the CP in the game won't save you.

Just curious are you a pc xfer? i know what i'm doing, you can easily tell when you find a pc xfer in cyrodiil and if there 300 cp ahead of you theres nothing you can do.

And you know how many CP they have... how, exactly? That's right, you don't. You got killed by someone who knew how to play the game, and now you're here telling us, "no, it must have been all those CP they had, because having +5% magicka regeneration to my +2.6% gen is too OP for me!"

leepalmer95 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I already know how to spread my points , not sure why you assumed i didn't,

Because almost every other sentence you write makes me think, "no, this guy really doesn't understand how to play The Elder Scrolls Online."

Take this one for instance:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

your telling me 0-30 (30 cps) has the time difference as 300-1k (700 cps), think you exaggerated just a little bit there.

It's not about time commitment, it's about the value of the reward. The raw statistical increases that you get from 0 to 30 are roughly equilvant to the jump you get from 300 to 1k. If you're distributing your points intelligently.

Or This one:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Those extra 200 can let people max the ones they need and get 10% in other stuff by spreading the rest out, it does make a difference.

If you're think about maxing out anything with 300 CP, you have screwed up. Stop typing. Go back. Reread what I said earlier.

The best distribution for 300cp is 10 points spread out over 30 stars. The exception is the Attronach, where you're hard pressed to find three, simultaneously, valuable stars to sink points into.

You notice what I didn't say there? I didn't say put 100 points in anything. Because if you're below about 1600 CP, you shouldn't be thinking about maxing out any star. If you do that, you will screw yourself over.

So, yeah, that's why I assume you don't. Not, "I assumed you didn't." Why I still assume you don't.

You need to re read what i said, by max i didn't mean sink 100 into a star, i mean't sinking 30 before diminishing returns hits harder.

Though you say spread them over 30 stars but most of the time most stars don't actually benefits certain builds.

._.

Then learn to play. Also, learn math. I'm not sure there's anything else I can help you with. I can tell you, you can bag people way over your CR in Cyrodiil. But, if you don't know what you're doing, all the CP in the game won't save you.

Just curious are you a pc xfer? i know what i'm doing, you can easily tell when you find a pc xfer in cyrodiil and if there 300 cp ahead of you theres nothing you can do.

And you know how many CP they have... how, exactly? That's right, you don't. You got killed by someone who knew how to play the game, and now you're here telling us, "no, it must have been all those CP they had, because having +5% magicka regeneration to my +2.6% gen is too OP for me!"

Lmk how many console guild and players know how to glitch into keeps, glitch to get scrolls and such.

Also how do you know they didn't have 300+ cp? I love the way 50% of responses on this forum is a l2p issue.

So considering you didn't answer you are pc xfer?

starkerealm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Lmk how many console guild and players know how to glitch into keeps, glitch to get scrolls and such.

That makes it sound like console players are incapable of learning things. That if you present a system to them, their minds implode in horror and they crawl into a corner weeping.

On day 1, how many knew? Probably not many. Today how many console players know? The ones that researched it. Same as on the PC.

Unless you're trying to say that console players are somehow deficient, which, I don't really believe.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Also how do you know they didn't have 300+ cp? I love the way 50% of responses on this forum is a l2p issue.

I know that if they did have 300+ it isn't an insurmountable obstacle for actually understanding how to deal with living players. And, no I don't mean that in an animation-canceling macro, murder kind of way. I mean, literally, dealing with another human being is different from slapping around an AI controlled enemy. Learn to deal with people, and you know what they're going to do. Approach them like just another mob, and you will die. This isn't a raw stat issue, it actually is a learn-to-play issue. It's a PEBKAC error.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So considering you didn't answer you are pc xfer?

No, I'm a PC player. Why would I bother with a platform that still thinks teabagging is an acceptable form of celebration?

I have one significant advantage over you, I've messed around with 3600 cp on the PTS, when that was an option there. I know what the system is actually capable of, when it's maxed out. I also have more experience dealing with it at level. What you're saying it can do... it actually can't. It's not the god tier upgrades you want to believe it to be.

Yes, it takes forever to grind them up... and ultimately, they're not really worth it, if that's all you're after.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Lmk how many console guild and players know how to glitch into keeps, glitch to get scrolls and such.

That makes it sound like console players are incapable of learning things. That if you present a system to them, their minds implode in horror and they crawl into a corner weeping.

On day 1, how many knew? Probably not many. Today how many console players know? The ones that researched it. Same as on the PC.

Unless you're trying to say that console players are somehow deficient, which, I don't really believe.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Also how do you know they didn't have 300+ cp? I love the way 50% of responses on this forum is a l2p issue.

I know that if they did have 300+ it isn't an insurmountable obstacle for actually understanding how to deal with living players. And, no I don't mean that in an animation-canceling macro, murder kind of way. I mean, literally, dealing with another human being is different from slapping around an AI controlled enemy. Learn to deal with people, and you know what they're going to do. Approach them like just another mob, and you will die. This isn't a raw stat issue, it actually is a learn-to-play issue. It's a PEBKAC error.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So considering you didn't answer you are pc xfer?

No, I'm a PC player. Why would I bother with a platform that still thinks teabagging is an acceptable form of celebration?

I have one significant advantage over you, I've messed around with 3600 cp on the PTS, when that was an option there. I know what the system is actually capable of, when it's maxed out. I also have more experience dealing with it at level. What you're saying it can do... it actually can't. It's not the god tier upgrades you want to believe it to be.

Yes, it takes forever to grind them up... and ultimately, they're not really worth it, if that's all you're after.

So, your a pc player that doesn't even play console and therefore doesn't understand what it's like when you come up against an obvious pc xfer... i see, i'm going to stop responding to you know as your replying to a topic for a platform on which you've not played the game.

starkerealm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So, your a pc player that doesn't even play console and therefore doesn't understand what it's like when you come up against an obvious pc xfer... i see, i'm going to stop responding to you know as your replying to a topic for a platform on which you've not played the game.

At this point, I guarantee you can't accurately identify the PC transfers anymore. You might get some by dumb luck. But the 3 month head start on CP isn't as significant as you seem to believe.

If you don't even understand the state of the PC playerbase, how can you tell when... oh right, because they killed you, so they must be a PC transfer, and not just better at the game. Right. Gotcha.

Pallmor · August 2015

If it makes you feel any better, I'm a PC transfer and I came over with less than 50 CP, I don't run any trade guilds, and I suck at PvP. Happy?

leepalmer95 · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So, your a pc player that doesn't even play console and therefore doesn't understand what it's like when you come up against an obvious pc xfer... i see, i'm going to stop responding to you know as your replying to a topic for a platform on which you've not played the game.

At this point, I guarantee you can't accurately identify the PC transfers anymore. You might get some by dumb luck. But the 3 month head start on CP isn't as significant as you seem to believe.

If you don't even understand the state of the PC playerbase, how can you tell when... oh right, because they killed you, so they must be a PC transfer, and not just better at the game. Right. Gotcha.

I don't understand the state of the pc player base because i don't play pc, just like you don't understand console because you don't play it, stop commentating on stuff you don't know about because you don't play it.

I don't pretend to know how stuff works on the pc version of the game like you shouldn't pretend to know about the console version.

Is this just your pc elitism showing? Is it? Ok, Gotcha.

mrskinskull · August 2015

Dekkameron wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

i tea bagged that potatoe guy simply because i chased him for 10 mins, he deserved it.

Seriously, what is up with you console players and teabagging? Just stop it already

Yeah theres a push up emote that is far more degrading.

Most of those maxed out characters from PC transfers aren't any good as players.

The experience system tends to coddle long time players by cradling them with champ points and cheesy exploits.
Or the training wheels of add ons. They need add ons to tell them when to eat food, lol.

Oh and who can forget using copied gold to sieze the trading market.
Once the console crowd catches up experience wise, they will be a terrifying horde of more skilled players who never knew the soft touch of a frames per second meter.

mrskinskull · August 2015

Reverb wrote: »

You think a group staying stealthed in a keep for 40 min is unbelievable? I've known groups that hid near scroll temples for hours after a gate had closed. Half a day sometimes. Outwaiting your enemies isn't a glitch, and has nothing to do with pc transfers or cp points.

I'm pretty sure there are a few champ point trees that help stealth.
So...

starkerealm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I don't understand the state of the pc player base because i don't play pc, just like you don't understand console because you don't play it, stop commentating on stuff you don't know about because you don't play it.

Actually, I do have a fairly solid grasp of what's going on here because the exact same conversation happens on the PC side of the equation.

We have the players over here who cry about how CP is overpowered, and they can't possibly compete, and how everyone with CP must automatically have +25% in everything relevant ever, including in stars that only go to +13% like armor.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I don't pretend to know how stuff works on the pc version of the game like you shouldn't pretend to know about the console version.

Actually, you're pretending for both, and I'm not pretending for either. I actually understand the systems. I took the time, messed around with them, and got a good handle for what they can, and cannot do.

That's my only advantage. I know what I'm talking about. You don't.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Is this just your pc elitism showing? Is it? Ok, Gotcha.

I don't know. Is it "elitism" to say, "yes, you could do this, if you'd put the time in to learning the systems and stop searching for scapegoats to foist the blame on"?

Here's the thing about PvP, everyone sucks at the beginning. It doesn't matter what game we're talking about. You will begin by being killed by those more experienced at it than you. Be that in a competitive FPS, in chess, or in Cyrodiil. It does not matter.

You can learn from your defeats. And granted, some defeats won't teach you much. Just, boom, you died, no idea how it happened. You can go back in, and keep at it, or you can sit down, and start crying about how it's not your fault because they had access to some incredibly minor advantage.

They didn't beat you because their magicka regen was 1.4% higher than yours, or their armor was 1.25% stronger, or their weapons hit for 1.4% more damage. They killed you because they knew the systems better than you did.

They killed you because they were, actually, better at the game.

But, no, "clearly it was a PC transfer," because that way it's not your fault. And you can keep crying that to yourself for however long you want, but it doesn't make it true. It might have been a transfer. Day one in Cyrodiil, it was the transfers. They had an advantage. That advantage is long since spent. The console PvP community has caught up with them. You know how I know that? Because they're on this forums whining about it.

If half the people on these forums are telling you that you need to learn more about the game, then maybe, just maybe, you should.

Aneima · August 2015

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Gate and keep glitches/exploits are being fixed with the IC update. Anyone can make alts in another faction, it has nothing to do with PC players. And what do glitches and alts have to do with Champion Points?

I'm all for fixes dealing with any exploit or glitch. The problem is when the damage is already done. Take the pig farming for instance, the percentage of people with large amounts of Dreugh wax is probably pretty high. A lot higher than those who had multiple crafting alts that's checked their daily hirelings. Yet even though it's been patched, all those people still have all that wax they farmed. Zero consequences.

Last year it was a craglorn boss called Szeknorist...people were getting a vet level once or twice an hour. And that's back when it took 5 million plus xp to get from vr13 to 14. I'd like to know how many alts some people were able to get maxed level for that exploit. Anyways it got patched and there were zero consequences.

Like I said I'm all for fixing exploits, I'd also like to see something happen to those that abused the exploits to get ahead of others.

ObsidianMichi · August 2015

Aneima wrote: »

I'm all for fixes dealing with any exploit or glitch. The problem is when the damage is already done. Take the pig farming for instance, the percentage of people with large amounts of Dreugh wax is probably pretty high. A lot higher than those who had multiple crafting alts that's checked their daily hirelings. Yet even though it's been patched, all those people still have all that wax they farmed. Zero consequences.

Last year it was a craglorn boss called Szeknorist...people were getting a vet level once or twice an hour. And that's back when it took 5 million plus xp to get from vr13 to 14. I'd like to know how many alts some people were able to get maxed level for that exploit. Anyways it got patched and there were zero consequences.

Like I said I'm all for fixing exploits, I'd also like to see something happen to those that abused the exploits to get ahead of others.

I think that's my biggest issue with exploits and the exploiters. While they do eventually get patched, there's no reason to cease and desist in the interim. They won't be punished. They know they won't be. So there's no reason to stop other than being interested in some kind of fairness. I get the issues and difficulties when it comes to punishing players, but ZoS has always been skittish about consequences. And, if I remember correctly, many of those players who powerleveled to VR14 came on the forums a day or two later complaining about the lack of challenge and lack of content.

The worst part is how this damages PvP in the long run. When we die it becomes easy to blame it on the cheaters (sometimes with good reason) rather than our own lack of skill or not enough understanding of game mechanics/class skills. Lee here already complained about having to chase down an enemy nightblade for ten minutes while they were in Mist Form while consistently firing off Curse. Mist Form. They are a Sorc and have access to BE, and may be under the mistaken impression that Mist Form works the same way as BE.

It doesn't.

I've run a Sorc, a vampire, and a vampire Sorc. When it comes to escapes, Mist Form is better than BE in terms of damage mitigation. It doesn't make you invulnerable anymore and you can no longer cast while in that form, so Lee was fortunately not batswarmed to death while possessing no recourse. However, this power is accessible to any player who can swing a bite or port themselves to Reaper's March/Bankorai/The Rift on a new moon.

Now, they managed to kill this "uber" player and their VR14 cohorts. Blamed them for cheating when they managed to get somewhere that they didn't expect. Blamed CP for their difficulty when it came to killing them (though, they did manage it). Blamed the sun and the moon and the sky above for players making use of actual game mechanics (not exploiting) and using powers that are readily available to any player regardless of being a PC transfer or an Xbox "scrub". Sure, it's easier to blame the CP but I very much doubt that CP is actually the problem.

Which brings us back to exploiting, cheating, and the lack of punishment. It's easier to blame the cheaters because there's no system in place to punish them, no recourse other than descending to their level. Even when they are few and far between, plenty of players may feel that they need to use the exploits in order to "level the playing field". Suddenly, it feels like everyone must be cheating even if very few players actually are. And there's no reason not to because, again, no consequences.

CP is just another in a long conga line of complaints. Whether that player had 300 CP or not doesn't matter, whether they were a PC transfer or not doesn't matter. Not really. It ignores all the other factors: the players gear (crafted sets, gold sets, endgame sets, master weapons, all properly split to lend the best statistical advantage), their build, whether or not they were using food, and the spread of their points. Right now, CP is just a convenient crutch that's easy to blame for another player being better or having some kind of statistical advantage.

And, three months in, I find it difficult to believe that there are no Xbox players who've figured out the provisioning system, managed to hit VR14, and run the trials to get the gear. Enchanting, Alchemy, and Provisioning don't have the same time requirements as Blacksmithing, Woodworking, and Clothier. The only advantage I can really see the PC transfers still having is those maxed crafters that transferred over who can craft the 6, 7, 8, and 9 trait sets because of the substantial time investment crafting requires. However, in the same hand, many of the most useful sets are in the 5 trait and below range. While Night's Silence, Vampire stealth speed boost, and Concealed Weapon one no longer stack, I'm sure that some players can still be thrown off by a combination of Night's Silence (run in stealth), Cloak, Cripple (40% movement increase), and their sudden ability to book it. Just like a player running tri-pots to boost recovery of all three stats and crafted food (not even purple) to raise their stats/increase regen has an advantage over a player that lacks those items and skills.

In PvP, it's almost impossible to tell unless you know what you're looking for. Honestly, I don't think many players do.

wraith808 · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Gate and keep glitches/exploits are being fixed with the IC update. Anyone can make alts in another faction, it has nothing to do with PC players. And what do glitches and alts have to do with Champion Points?

It's the fact they allowed people with max characters with 200+ cp each, with knowledge of exploits + glitches to transfer all of this onto console so us new players get absolutely wrecked by them.

I just found out apparently you can glitch into chalmen as i turned round and 7-10 vet 14's just rekt me.

You don't know that people got to VR14 on consoles with 200CP in a few weeks, right? Transfers aren't the problem.

I have a v14 and a v5 and i have 100 cp, doubt someone on console has 200 cp already, unless they have literally farmed since release.

Even then the average player on pc will always have more cp than the average player on console.

Post right after yours:

gjmgamesub17_ESO wrote: »

I love how people are saying pc transfers still have the advantage lol.

I'm not a transfer and I'm vr14 with 100 CP. And I'm lazy compared to my guildies and friends, a couple have 2 vr14 characters and almost 200 CP now as well. And that's not really even out of the ordinary.

The pc transfer excuse for your lack of skill is no longer valid.

What were you saying?