The fear trap morph -Aspect of Terror- is unblockable and should remain so, that morph of fear is very well balanced. A placed trap that requires "arming" before activating. Therefore, it being powerful and going through block is reasonable.



The morph -Mass hysteria- is the skill that is broken and needs nerfed. A cheap, fast, insta-cast CC that is also AoE and can be fired off without even needing a target, should be blockable. If you want the morph that is insta-cast, instant results, then it needs to be balanced by being blockable, as it is an AoE. Then make Agony go through block to compensate, equivalent to Petrify and Rune Cage.

its extremely powerful but imo just the delay between the animation of CC and being CCed needs to go. If it wasnt for add ons telling me to break free i would never break fear in time lol.

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

Fear is one of the most powerful abilities in game, if not the most powerful one. It takes about 1 sec to notice you are feared and CC Break it; in the meantime, the NB is spamming Veiled Strikes (and/or Soul Harvest) and there's nothing you can do to mitigate the damage (except if you are wearing Reactive Armor set or had a damage shield active).
If you are low on stamina and can't CC break the fear, the NB will most likely kill you. In my opinion, Aspect of Terror and Death Stroke shouldn't be in the same class, but nothing we can do now about it.

What ZoS can still do is change how Fear is treated, make it break on damage, like Petrify and other CC abilities. QQ

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If a nerf is necessary I'd encourage ZoS to increase the magicka cost so damage stacked assassins can't use it so often, while it can still maintain functionality for other NB tanks, casters, and healers. While the assassins are definitely the majority, the rest of us I feel are limited because of their potency and access to the same skills...

What delay? You can clearly see the red mist when it is cast. I have never taken a soul harvest/incap strike while feared, unless I didn't have the stamina to cc break. As a stamina NB I am always near opposing faction NB's and get feared quite often. It's not hard to bind a single key to cc break (Cause the default is terrible) and never suffer from a delay. That is unless you are hit with the unbreakable cc bug, but that's a totally diff issue.

I constantly see people complain about CC break having a delay, yet I am able to break fear before another attack comes in, or break WB mid air, break CF knockdown before I am actually knocked down. I guess folks have really low pings or need to work on their reaction times. I have also had people cry foul when I cc break while they are still on animation cooldown. It's not hard to hit the button when you see the animations.

Lets not try to blow this out of proportion, just learn it's animation, bind the break key (Interrupt), get a new internet service provider and or work on your reaction times.

Fear is the only CC you can't break instantly. That's the problem with it. Maybe it needs an animation of some sort before the cast and not after.

The way it is atm in live, your death recap may as well say "you got feared" and in PTS my NB doesn't use it, I still think it's a cowards ability.

Remember how Nightblades always claimed that Fear should be unblockable so that blocking has a counter?

Now that blocking has been NERFED, why do we still need a "counter" to blocking?

timidobserver wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Ill take the nerf when dk's lose the leap across a keep move

NBs can leap across a keep and straight through the door.

Broken mechanics doesn't mean the skill is op or broken. Let's all calm down.

As for the topic of the thread, yes Mass Hysteria is a strong ability, but so is say Fossilize. Which effectively a double cc. You get stunned from like 15 meters, and even when you break it, you're still technically cc'ed because you're rooted and have to roll to get out of it. Yet I don't hear people crying about that.

Fear and cloak are great defensive and offensive abilities depending on situation for nightblades. They are staple to their survival and utility, and competitiveness against the other classes. Also, unless you're a magicka build, you can't"spam" fear and cloak. It's one or the other. Again depends on the situation.

As a stamina nightblade myself, I can use cloak 3-4 times in a row if waiting to the last second if it to recast to get the most if it. Where as fear is for sure only 3. And this is with roughly 1k recovery from drinks. I don't understand why people are so negative towards these two skills. They really aren't that bad.

Aside from any bugs or latency issues server side or player side, these skills are fine. People just love a good ol' fashioned cry.

ahahaha . This guy is crying about it taking him 1 second to notice he is feared when their are multiple abilities in the game that you sit through stunned for 2 seconds spamming to break free and nothing happens...

ZOS, already listen to this man. You have screwed your game enough that it really doesn't matter if you cater to this guy?

I can't wait to get my hand's on the reactive Armour set for my Nightblade. It sound's great. No more ambush/crystal frag spam death re-cap's since they count as CC.

Xeniph wrote: »

What delay? You can clearly see the red mist when it is cast. I have never taken a soul harvest/incap strike while feared, unless I didn't have the stamina to cc break. As a stamina NB I am always near opposing faction NB's and get feared quite often. It's not hard to bind a single key to cc break (Cause the default is terrible) and never suffer from a delay. That is unless you are hit with the unbreakable cc bug, but that's a totally diff issue.

I constantly see people complain about CC break having a delay, yet I am able to break fear before another attack comes in, or break WB mid air, break CF knockdown before I am actually knocked down. I guess folks have really low pings or need to work on their reaction times. I have also had people cry foul when I cc break while they are still on animation cooldown. It's not hard to hit the button when you see the animations.

Lets not try to blow this out of proportion, just learn it's animation, bind the break key (Interrupt), get a new internet service provider and or work on your reaction times.

You mean high ping me and you have low ping why i never have a problem with cc i brake out in the air with destro stun

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Ill take the nerf when dk's lose the leap across a keep move

NBs can leap across a keep and straight through the door.

Broken mechanics doesn't mean the skill is op or broken. Let's all calm down.

As for the topic of the thread, yes Mass Hysteria is a strong ability, but so is say Fossilize. Which effectively a double cc. You get stunned from like 15 meters, and even when you break it, you're still technically cc'ed because you're rooted and have to roll to get out of it. Yet I don't hear people crying about that.

Fear and cloak are great defensive and offensive abilities depending on situation for nightblades. They are staple to their survival and utility, and competitiveness against the other classes. Also, unless you're a magicka build, you can't"spam" fear and cloak. It's one or the other. Again depends on the situation.

As a stamina nightblade myself, I can use cloak 3-4 times in a row if waiting to the last second if it to recast to get the most if it. Where as fear is for sure only 3. And this is with roughly 1k recovery from drinks. I don't understand why people are so negative towards these two skills. They really aren't that bad.

Aside from any bugs or latency issues server side or player side, these skills are fine. People just love a good ol' fashioned cry.

You don't hear ppl crying about petrify because the stun breaks if you sneeze on it.

Fear serves a unique purpose in the game right now, its a AoE hard CC that goes through block and does not break on damage. The mass hysteria morph also reduces damage done by the target and slows the movement speed of the target once the effect ends. There is also the fact that you can break free and roll dodge just before the opposing nightblade's soul harvest lands, safely avoiding it. It does require fast reaction times to do so, which not everyone has (or they are playing from austrailia ). If the nightblade casting the fear also has similar slow reaction time, since fear does send the target running away from the nightblade's position at the time of casting, in some cases the nightblade might slip up because they are rooted/CCed or are not running with the target for their followup attacks. There is counterplay if you are fast, but I can totally understand why people want it nerfed compared to other forms of CC in the game since they are currently unappealing.


Should fear be homogenized to be the same as other CC's that go through block to break on damage? No, it shouldn't. Homogenization and making everything the same is boring and un-insightful. That's how you get players to quit your game (*cough* WoW Homogenization *cough*). Fear should be unique in it's current role in the game. Other CC's in the game should also be made unique, and more importantly, appealing as well. Agony should have a stronger, short duration DoT that doesn't last longer than CC immunity so it can actually be re-applied. Fossilize and rune cage should also have appealing effects that occur once the target breaks free that are unique in their own way.

Should fear be toned down in some fashion? Quite possibly yes if other forms of CC aren't made appealing. This can be accomplished by increasing the magicka cost of the ability so spamming will punish the nightblade if they aren't careful. Ever get feared by a nightblade, and you break free and you see them fear 3 more times during your CC immunity period? (I've totally never done this *whistles*) Yeah...that should be punished somehow... Should fear reduce your damage once you break free from it (Mass Hysteria)? In my opinion, no. No one uses shades because fear already reduces damage by applying maim. I'm all for making spells unique and in my opinion mass hysteria shouldn't apply maim. That will make shades unique and tone down fear a bit.

I'm all for balance, but making every spell the same is not balance. It's making everything the same. Balance is taking unique spells, abilities, classes, etc all with their own unique themes and styles and making sure that they are all viable options with their own pros/cons while still retaining that theme at the core.