kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

icontested wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

There are Ice Princess ponies, and soon to be undead goat pets and pumpkin head costumes in the crown store. Now what do you think? Of course it's not canon. It's a spin-off cash grab. The actual Elder Scrolls games are numbered in series, and ESO is not a part of that series.

I can't figure you out.. Some posts you defend this game and some posts you sound angry. I'm only asking out of being interested in your answer. But, why the defend/bash flip flop?

Most of us LOVE the series and with the bugs not being ever present the games more enjoyable, well told story (main story is canon, the players are not and we are the Game so..) beautiful looking, and fun can be enjoyed solo, small group, large raid or zerg. But at times many of us see problems with the game knowing how much greater it can be kills us. at lease thats how I feel he may feel differently.

Anything and everything can always be better. I think this game is off to a great start. I have faith in ESO. Good vibes promote good vibes.

Many good points on both sides. I suppose the general consensus is that ESO is officially canon.

Ka-Boom!

Even our own real-world history is unreliable. Just because some old book or song says it happened a certain way doesn't mean it actually DID happen that way.

No.....ESO does not make Printers.....

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

WolffenBloodseeker wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

I know they call it canon but I don't agree with it. How can you explain the main quest retcon of Molag Bal opening gates from his oblivion plane when the dragonfires of Akatosh were still lit at the time? It wasn't until Oblivion that the fires went out and Mehrunes was able to open oblivion gates.

Have you read the story or played the main quest? it's all explained in detail to fit the lore (ESO's loremaster is an awesome guy and he is deep in contact with Bethesda's loremasters to always get things right)

The emperor Varen Aquilarius was tricked by Mannimarco and broke the covenant of saint Alessia with Akatosh when he tried a ritual with the amulet of kings to force the Time Dragon to bless him as Dragonborn to legitimize his rule, this leads to the soulburst and the interregnum that lasts until the rise of Tiber Septim who unites the lands of Tamriel and relight the Dragonfires on the temple of the one as the true Dragonborn emperor of Tamriel.

Why only Molag Bal invades Tamriel? for the same reason only Dagon invades it during the last days of the third era, create a breach for invasion was HIS plan all the time, he planned it on details, made the moves and when the opportunity rose he was ready with all the war machines and daedric armies he needed, it probably isn't a fast and easy thing to forge hundreds or even thousands of war machines (like the dark anchors who are made in factories in Coldharbour), mobilize and train armies, make the right connections and fool the right individuals in Tamriel.

The Main story line is Canon the side quest, mix races in enemy alliances push it and the fact that 100% of the soldiers that take Keeps in Cyrodiil are all the one Vestige. they could have made it more MMO in that regard we can't all be the one person that saved the world solo.

An Dummer army fighting The three living Gods of Morrowind with the Armies of Dominion and Covenant? Bretons and Redguard fighting to take down Daggerfall in Pact and Dominion ranks. Altmer and Bosmer in force with the Pact and Covenant. Trusting one soldier that saved your people okay but whole Armies of enemy races? We can see in nearly all the story line main and side that the three races of each faction loosely trust each other yet the races they fight are just fine?

Also Orcs don't join the Pact Redguard and Bretons sieged their home in the first place. Nord, Dummer and Argonians are seen as more honorable then very recent enemies. Redguards and Orcs hate dark magic, Bretons use Necromancy more then any other race way would they be in this alliance let alone leading it. Nords hate Elves and magic and invaded Morrowmind more then a few times, Dummer hate Nords see invasion and Argonian hate Dummer with no real reason to care about the other side World worst comes to worst they can retreat to the inner workings of the Marsh and live untouched.

And that's the super short one

I agree that they should have made the story more MMO friendly like make the player just another soldier/mercenary/scholar/thief and etc instead of the chosen one but they probably thought: Hey let's apeal to the TES fans making them the chosenone in their story like in all previous TES games, they will like it and say it follows the spirit of the series!

From my part, i love TES and played all games on the series and the only thing i always hated in TES is the mainquest, "you are the chosen one, huray! now care about everyone and save our world, it's your destiny and that's it!" (not the lore around it, i'm a lore addict)

As you said the mainquest + side quests and all the game lore are canon (with the classic unreliable narrator from TES)
the game handles the players like a singleplayer game, in your game you are the chosen one, the champion and savior of everything and everyone else is just an adventurer or whatever but don't forget that the TES races are not set in stone, just because the kingdom of Skyrim do something it doesn't mean all nords should do it or approve, the kingdom is a political entity, not a racial one (even if most nords live in skyrim, many are born and travel and settle all across the continent, an altmer born in the kingdom of daggerfall would be an altmer by race but a subject to the Crown of Daggerfall by place of birth for example)

As for the lore around the alliances war, just like the real world politics are not set in stone, they vary from generation to generation and the circumstances, the English and the French hated each other and battled for centuries in our world, but in WWII they joined forces against a common enemy and have a pretty good relation right now (jokes aside), just like the Americans and the English, and many other nations around the globe, the Nords fought the Dunmer in the past yes, now they are allies, 800 hundred years in the future we know they will be raiding morrowind, 1000 years in the future they will be giving assylum to the dunmer who lost part of their kingdom to argonians and the eruption of red mountain and it goes on and on with all nations.

Speely wrote: »

People that created reality-warping Dragon Breaks should certainly be held accountable for the internal logic of their relative Dark Ages.

& @speely this sentence wins the internet for me today!

You forgot the option "WHO GIVES A FUDGE!"

starkerealm wrote: »

Stranglehands wrote: »

The elder scrolls lore has always struck me as being designed to sabotage the whole idea of canon. Each game might as well be in its own rendition of the universe like zelda, and you've got this funny image of historians in the universe trying to figure out what the hell's going on and why the world keeps suddenly and violently changing and coming up with metaphysical explanations like the dragon break, and trying to knit the whole mess into something resembling a coherent timeline and failing miserably

Yeah, no, that's basically exactly what a dragon break is. Some derp reloaded their old save, and now the hero of destiny didn't go on a homicidal rampage through Balmora/Chorrel/Whiterun.

I don't like the idea of every game happening in a Dragon Break. It cheapens the concept of the Break and doesn't really make sense in relation to the rest of events. Sometimes gameplay is just gameplay.

Vigarr wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

I don't like the idea of every game happening in a Dragon Break. It cheapens the concept of the Break and doesn't really make sense in relation to the rest of events. Sometimes gameplay is just gameplay.

I agree and I don't like every game being a prisoner who becomes the destined hero. Just once I want to be able to be the bad guy if I so choose and be rightly imprisoned at the start of the game.

Then play Morrowind or Skyrim. Neither of those requires you to follow the main quest line; neither one includes any mention of you being "the" hero or being imprisoned unjustly while you're escaping. Heck, even with Oblivion's intro you can just pretend that your character is listening to the Emperor's babbling and thinking "senility sucks, old man. As soon as I get out of here, I'm goin' on a crime spree."

Arena, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim don't take place in a Dragon Break (unless you count the echo of the Time Wound which allowed the ancient Nords to send Alduin into the time of Skyrim.) The only main series game whose events happen within a Dragon Break so far is Daggerfall, and that Dragon Break was essentially invented after-the-fact to allow for the multiple possible endings of that game.

As for ESO, a Dragon Break would allow for why there are so many Vestiges, why frost/fire horses are all over the place, how there can be a new emperor crowned on practically a daily basis, etc. But I don't think that goes beyond fan speculation at this point.

Blackhorne wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

I don't like the idea of every game happening in a Dragon Break. It cheapens the concept of the Break and doesn't really make sense in relation to the rest of events. Sometimes gameplay is just gameplay.

I agree and I don't like every game being a prisoner who becomes the destined hero. Just once I want to be able to be the bad guy if I so choose and be rightly imprisoned at the start of the game.

Then play Morrowind or Skyrim. Neither of those requires you to follow the main quest line; neither one includes any mention of you being "the" hero or being imprisoned unjustly while you're escaping. Heck, even with Oblivion's intro you can just pretend that your character is listening to the Emperor's babbling and thinking "senility sucks, old man. As soon as I get out of here, I'm goin' on a crime spree."

Arena, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim don't take place in a Dragon Break (unless you count the echo of the Time Wound which allowed the ancient Nords to send Alduin into the time of Skyrim.) The only main series game whose events happen within a Dragon Break so far is Daggerfall, and that Dragon Break was essentially invented after-the-fact to allow for the multiple possible endings of that game.

As for ESO, a Dragon Break would allow for why there are so many Vestiges, why frost/fire horses are all over the place, how there can be a new emperor crowned on practically a daily basis, etc. But I don't think that goes beyond fan speculation at this point.

I think all the games could potentially take place in a Dragon Break, specifically -because- there are so many players and The One True Nerevarine/Hero of Kvatch/Dragonborn can't possible be all of them... or can they?

For ESO specifically, we have multiple overlapping emperors on any given day, a war fought almost exclusively by immortals, and quests that sometimes result one way and sometimes another. So my vote is for a definite Dragon Break during the ESO timeline, probably related to the Soul Burst because why not.

Recremen wrote: »

Blackhorne wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

I don't like the idea of every game happening in a Dragon Break. It cheapens the concept of the Break and doesn't really make sense in relation to the rest of events. Sometimes gameplay is just gameplay.

I agree and I don't like every game being a prisoner who becomes the destined hero. Just once I want to be able to be the bad guy if I so choose and be rightly imprisoned at the start of the game.

Then play Morrowind or Skyrim. Neither of those requires you to follow the main quest line; neither one includes any mention of you being "the" hero or being imprisoned unjustly while you're escaping. Heck, even with Oblivion's intro you can just pretend that your character is listening to the Emperor's babbling and thinking "senility sucks, old man. As soon as I get out of here, I'm goin' on a crime spree."

Arena, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim don't take place in a Dragon Break (unless you count the echo of the Time Wound which allowed the ancient Nords to send Alduin into the time of Skyrim.) The only main series game whose events happen within a Dragon Break so far is Daggerfall, and that Dragon Break was essentially invented after-the-fact to allow for the multiple possible endings of that game.

As for ESO, a Dragon Break would allow for why there are so many Vestiges, why frost/fire horses are all over the place, how there can be a new emperor crowned on practically a daily basis, etc. But I don't think that goes beyond fan speculation at this point.

I think all the games could potentially take place in a Dragon Break, specifically -because- there are so many players and The One True Nerevarine/Hero of Kvatch/Dragonborn can't possible be all of them... or can they?

They could but they don't necessarily have to, because there's only a single player playing at one time. Also, if you play the main quest line, then the historical pieces are pretty well set in stone (and if you don't, then you're not the hero of legend anyway). With Daggerfall, however, the next-to-last quest line had you choosing between several very different historical endings. So something HAD to be done so that Morrowind had a single history for that time period.

For ESO specifically, we have multiple overlapping emperors on any given day, a war fought almost exclusively by immortals, and quests that sometimes result one way and sometimes another. So my vote is for a definite Dragon Break during the ESO timeline, probably related to the Soul Burst because why not.

Yes, I like the idea of a Dragon Break for ESO as well, but it's not official, so I respect those who don't accept it. For now. ; )

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

ThyIronFist wrote: »

It's canon and if you're mad that there are some players running around on ice ponies and wearing weird costumes from the crown store that are not lore friendly then please don't play an MMO and play a singleplayer game.

You know why you're wrong Talos... In canon ESO lore ALL accounts of Cyrodiil were of the lush Jungles but after forming the empires Talos used a shout to reshape the land to the extent it's green grass lands and seeing as ESO looks just like oblivion and we are 400 years before the birth of Talos who used the shout that changed the land itself. Fun facts that was the "sign" that he was more then just a mere man. So yea this simply can't be canon as things in Cyrodiil as the way we know them and they should only be this way after Talos changed it not before.

But Talos changed Cyrodiil for all time. He retroactively made the jungle into a forest.

This is the power of CHIM.

They address the climate issue in game. Presumably Ayrenn/the Aldmeri Dominion 'wins' or at least keeps hold of White-Gold Tower the longest, or maybe it just starts swinging back to tropical the way it was originally when no one steers it for long stretches of time. Then Talos comes along in a few centuries to give it a Thu'um-backed 'push' to knock it all the way to temperate all at once.

(My pet theory is somewhat simpler, namely the game was originally envisioned to take place after Skyrim, but for whatever reason was placed in the Second Era after development started and they just never changed the art assets. This neatly explains not only the climate but the existence of towns which act like they went through the events of Oblivion in spite of the extreme difference in time and political climate, EX: Bleaker's Way, Cropsford.)