Blocking and a possible different alternative

Yoyuyi999 · August 2015

Yes I agree, PermaBlocking is stupid. But this nerf IMO was also really stupid. Blockcasting in general was a bad idea, sure they helped reduced it but they killed a lot of things when it comes to blocking now. My block now technically costs (initial block cost)+(however much stam regen I have). Blocking for like 2 seconds drains my stam to like 40%.

An alternative to this, in which we can maybe TEST (this is the PTS keep in mind), is add it so when you hold block your abilities are grayed out (just like how they would be if you were sprinting). Make it so you have to let go of block to use an ability. And maybe add a cooldown of 1 second or something before you can enter block or something after you use an ability, just so people cant use abilities then block instantly right after. Could we at least try and test this out?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert

Lord_Hev · August 2015

Or just mess around with regen penalties instead of a flat 0% regen? The only class and builds that is truly unnaffected by this are magic sorcs, because they never need to block in the first place. The 0% regen is killing both magic and stam builds on other classes that need to block.

Zenimax, please consider all these alternatives now for PTS. This is the time to test, not on live which will just cause more problems in the long run.

Yoyuyi999 · August 2015

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Or just mess around with regen penalties instead of a flat 0% regen? The only class and builds that is truly unnaffected by this are magic sorcs, because they never need to block in the first place. The 0% regen is killing both magic and stam builds on other classes that need to block.

Zenimax, please consider all these alternatives now for PTS. This is the time to test, not on live which will just cause more problems in the long run.

The problem with the block nerf is that the damage nerf also hits us. In a good way and bad way. S&B users typically cant dish out enough dmg in PvP especially with the dmg nerf. On top of that we also need to build sustain. Its hard to balance the dmg and sustain together. The good thing is since we cant perma block we can aat least facetank for a bit (Except my NB build hits people for 10k surprise attacks still...)

Yoyuyi999 · August 2015

Yoyuyi999 wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Or just mess around with regen penalties instead of a flat 0% regen? The only class and builds that is truly unnaffected by this are magic sorcs, because they never need to block in the first place. The 0% regen is killing both magic and stam builds on other classes that need to block.

Zenimax, please consider all these alternatives now for PTS. This is the time to test, not on live which will just cause more problems in the long run.

The problem with the block nerf is that the damage nerf also hits us. In a good way and bad way. S&B users typically cant dish out enough dmg in PvP especially with the dmg nerf. On top of that we also need to build sustain. Its hard to balance the dmg and sustain together. The good thing is since we cant perma block we can aat least facetank for a bit (Except my NB build hits people for 10k surprise attacks still...)

That's why I think it'd be better to just nerf blockcasting and not even touching regen on block. So we don't have to build for sustain as much, and still keep a good focus on at least some damage.

Personofsecrets · August 2015

this is worse than the stam regen nerf

Yoyuyi999 · August 2015

Personofsecrets wrote: »

this is worse than the stam regen nerf

How so?

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

This has been suggested since day one cause players even hated it back then and ZoS for some reason want block casting in the game so they went this way of blocking nerf instead of just riding the game of this virus know as block casting.

Wing · August 2015

ZoS "claim" the issue is people don't do anything but hold block. . .

your solution is to make it so people cannot do anything but hold block? . . .

ZoS really don't have an issue with block casting, its time to move on.

Sensesfail13 · August 2015

Or how about not change it to begin with because blockcasting has been around since the beginning of the game and is not a game breaking mechanic.

Rinmaethodain · August 2015

The issue is @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_EricWrobel are giving a BS argument for this nerf like:
"its for the good of long term health of game" without any proper explanation and logical argument.
Not to mention anything so far they said was disproved by people who actually tank in PVE (where in every Eso Live dev gameplay stream we can see all devs run merry go round doing everything but actually tanking).

Armitas · August 2015

I wish they gave it the bolt escape nerf.

For every second in which a block occurs block cost begins to increase after 3 consecutive seconds. Put a max increase cap on it as well. That way you can prep a block for an incoming hit without being penalized and you can drop your guard for 2 seconds in between to shed off the fatigue. Or rather than increase block cost it could begin to lower your offense with a 4 second timer to shed of fatigue.

This gives you plenty of time to use block when you need it without being paranoid about your stam recovery when you are not in heavy armor. You also don't lose stam recovery for basing due to the L/R default bash mechanic. This way everyone is free to use block as needed, but it's going to cost you if you try to permablock.

Yoyuyi999 · August 2015

I personally think that might be too much. When it all comes down to it they should have just nerfed blockcasting.

Rune_Relic · August 2015

I would rather have an accumulation of blocking cost while holding block.
Keep dropping raising block will incur normal cost/hit (single hit block).
Holding block down will incur higher and higher block cost/hit (multiple hit block).

The problem with regen is the same problem I have with stamina recovery in general.
Server lag means I never get reliable stamina or a reliable tick.
I have seen my stamina say +745 for 5 seconds and stay in exactly the same spot.
So how can the server reliably know when I am holding block and not and even then how can the penalty be applied fairly ?

At least with block cost..those that spec into 1h&s, heavy, block cost... face less of a penalty than those that don't.
As soon as I take a unblocked hit...block count (and cost) resets