Veteran Ranks and Endgame is just awful.

Dcaliber · August 2015

ghostwise wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

ghostwise wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

MaKTaiL wrote: »

I couldn't disagree more. I've been playing on PS4 since it came out and I'm just enjoying the quests and story on my own pace. I'm on veteran rank 7 doing quests on a rank 4 area. Leveling is fine the way it is, I don't feel like I'm grinding at all.

That is until you reach the end of questing and have to grind zombies to level. The questing will only take you to VR10. This is the main focus of my thread(1)

So have you done everything in craglorn and all the quests in cyrodiil too then?

No need to take offense pal
I'm waiting for IC patch to level my console toons. .

No offense taken, was merely a question because you said you've exhausted all the quests at vr10 and you didn't answer my question. I just find it a bit far fetched.

My point comes from many of my PC guildies who did all the silver +gold Quests and some Cyrodiil quests,yet still had to mob grind for the last 3 VR levels. I see this as a problem that there isn't enough solo quest for a player to reach true endgame.

Dcaliber · August 2015

deathbykarma wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

The point is that throughout all the effort they put into the game, they should be a master of their build. They shouldn't have to rely on superior level. Just because they farmed zombies for days on end doesn't mean they should have a statistical advantage over someone else.
Skill vs time.

Wrong, mmo's are all about the grinding and gear, the person that plays more and gets that great gear should always have the upper hand. Sounds like moba's are more up your alley.

I don't see why ESO has to fit that build. Even the largest MMO out there is now going for a skill based PvP system. Eso is anything but a standard MMO, it sucks they had to follow the status quo on PvP.

Surragard · August 2015

The guild chat packaged into the console version is nice but the OP does point out some annoyances with how it works. I still use a Teamspeak for my guild (which plays PC and console games). I run it through my phone or iPad and throw on headphones.

Mighty_oakk · August 2015

Dcaliber wrote: »

ghostwise wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

ghostwise wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

MaKTaiL wrote: »

I couldn't disagree more. I've been playing on PS4 since it came out and I'm just enjoying the quests and story on my own pace. I'm on veteran rank 7 doing quests on a rank 4 area. Leveling is fine the way it is, I don't feel like I'm grinding at all.

That is until you reach the end of questing and have to grind zombies to level. The questing will only take you to VR10. This is the main focus of my thread(1)

So have you done everything in craglorn and all the quests in cyrodiil too then?

No need to take offense pal
I'm waiting for IC patch to level my console toons. .

No offense taken, was merely a question because you said you've exhausted all the quests at vr10 and you didn't answer my question. I just find it a bit far fetched.

My point comes from many of my PC guildies who did all the silver +gold Quests and some Cyrodiil quests,yet still had to mob grind for the last 3 VR levels. I see this as a problem that there isn't enough solo quest for a player to reach true endgame.

Not to mention if your on console its a huge pain to group for anything without text. On ps4 2% of players have completed their starting factions 5 dungeons. Like wtf an mmo without group play?

Dcaliber · August 2015

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

ghostwise wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

ghostwise wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

MaKTaiL wrote: »

I couldn't disagree more. I've been playing on PS4 since it came out and I'm just enjoying the quests and story on my own pace. I'm on veteran rank 7 doing quests on a rank 4 area. Leveling is fine the way it is, I don't feel like I'm grinding at all.

That is until you reach the end of questing and have to grind zombies to level. The questing will only take you to VR10. This is the main focus of my thread(1)

So have you done everything in craglorn and all the quests in cyrodiil too then?

No need to take offense pal
I'm waiting for IC patch to level my console toons. .

No offense taken, was merely a question because you said you've exhausted all the quests at vr10 and you didn't answer my question. I just find it a bit far fetched.

My point comes from many of my PC guildies who did all the silver +gold Quests and some Cyrodiil quests,yet still had to mob grind for the last 3 VR levels. I see this as a problem that there isn't enough solo quest for a player to reach true endgame.

Not to mention if your on console its a huge pain to group for anything without text. On ps4 2% of players have completed their starting factions 5 dungeons. Like wtf an mmo without group play?

Exactly, getting a group together to go to Craglorn is hell w/o text chat.

Zebo7 · August 2015

I completely agree with the poster who said this is an RPG. Old School MMORPG'ers expect the massive time sink and grind. This game still pales in comparison to some of the original MMORPG in regards to massive time sinks and grinds. I am on XB1 and a smidge away from V14. I love the fact I still have a ton of CP to go. Most these games on XB1 you crap out 60 bucks, dump a couple weeks into and your done. Props to ESO for creating a game that doesn't become a beer coaster in a few weeks because there isn't squat left to do or achieve.

Grunim · August 2015

Dcaliber wrote: »

MaKTaiL wrote: »

I couldn't disagree more. I've been playing on PS4 since it came out and I'm just enjoying the quests and story on my own pace. I'm on veteran rank 7 doing quests on a rank 4 area. Leveling is fine the way it is, I don't feel like I'm grinding at all.

That is until you reach the end of questing and have to grind zombies to level. The questing will only take you to VR10. This is the main focus of my thread(1)

There is an alternative. Go to Cyrodiil and kill NPCs there and do the PvE daily quests.

DrunkenGryffinInn · August 2015

I am a console player. I have completed all quests in all zones to include Cadwell's Silver and Gold area. I am not a huge PvP player but I have played currently at rank Legionary.

When I finished the "gold" area I was VR 13. I still have Craglorn and some miscellaneous accomplishments to complete. The experience scrolls were not out at the time I completed if they were I am confident I could have completed and reached VR 14.

My experience with the game has been mostly positive, I can't identify with any of the complaints in this thread. Are there frustrating moments, absolutely. There is always room for improvement but so far ESO has exceeded my expectations based on the feedback I had been hearing for months from friends who had played on the PC.

I look forward to playing this game a few years from now.

crytantrevors · August 2015

Vet ranks are fine if you dont like how mmorpgs are played stop whining and go play call of duty....

dday3six · August 2015

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

dlepi24 wrote: »

You sit here and compare everything to Destiny as if it's some magical perfect MMO. Destiny doesn't have text chat. Destiny doesn't have group finder. Destiny didn't even have voice chat for a long time. Destiny has an awful level up system based entirely on RNG. Destiny doesn't have guilds. Destiny doesn't have crafting. Hell, Destiny doesn't even have content to play after 10 hours. This game has an absurd amount of content and a variety of things to do than Destiny. Destiny is one of the worst MMO's ever.

I mentioned Destiny once...

But your entire post makes it seem as if you came to ESO expecting it to be more like a MOBA or FPS than a proper MMO.

ESO is a proper MMO, and as such Questing is a hefty part of the formula.

After reading your OP and responses several times to make sure I had captured all the nuances of your arguments, it has become apparent to me that (IMO) you were expecting more of a FPS/MOBA than a proper MMO when you came to ESO.

It also seems that (based off of those proclivities), you joined Guilds and made friends with people who are/were also expecting quick-leveling FPS's/MOBA's, and thus left once they realized that ESO was none of those.

It is quite possible that ESO (as well as many other proper MMO's [which does not include Destiny]) simply is not the game for you.

I think a similar issue runs through a good portion of the console community. They didn't quite realize what ESO actually was.

Players run through the content where build and role don't matter and suddenly find themselves in places where those thing matter greatly. It's a shock to them. However I can't say the game actually does anything to steer players toward a good spot for endgame either.

Uriel_Nocturne · August 2015

dday3six wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

dlepi24 wrote: »

You sit here and compare everything to Destiny as if it's some magical perfect MMO. Destiny doesn't have text chat. Destiny doesn't have group finder. Destiny didn't even have voice chat for a long time. Destiny has an awful level up system based entirely on RNG. Destiny doesn't have guilds. Destiny doesn't have crafting. Hell, Destiny doesn't even have content to play after 10 hours. This game has an absurd amount of content and a variety of things to do than Destiny. Destiny is one of the worst MMO's ever.

I mentioned Destiny once...

But your entire post makes it seem as if you came to ESO expecting it to be more like a MOBA or FPS than a proper MMO.

ESO is a proper MMO, and as such Questing is a hefty part of the formula.

After reading your OP and responses several times to make sure I had captured all the nuances of your arguments, it has become apparent to me that (IMO) you were expecting more of a FPS/MOBA than a proper MMO when you came to ESO.

It also seems that (based off of those proclivities), you joined Guilds and made friends with people who are/were also expecting quick-leveling FPS's/MOBA's, and thus left once they realized that ESO was none of those.

It is quite possible that ESO (as well as many other proper MMO's [which does not include Destiny]) simply is not the game for you.

I think a similar issue runs through a good portion of the console community. They didn't quite realize what ESO actually was.

Players run through the content where build and role don't matter and suddenly find themselves in places where those thing matter greatly. It's a shock to them. However I can't say the game actually does anything to steer players toward a good spot for endgame either.

I can easily agree with this.

While I come from an MMO-heavy gaming background (and thus knew exactly what I was buying when preordering ESO), the average Console Gamer typically compares every game with an FPS, regardless of the new games' genre. So they do what they do in most every single FPS; blow through the story to get to the "end game" activities as soon as possible.

But they don't realize (though they say that they do... *chuckle*) that in MMO's, one really needs to plan for "end game" from the start of a character. Then you spend (in this case) the next fifty levels working towards that build that you want to be running once you are able to access end-game content, and you've typically set yourself up very nicely for it by the time you get there.

Then they've spent money on a game that they never even tried to really understand beyond the basic concepts of the genre, and they struggle at high level activities.

So while I understand OP's frustration, I find it very difficult to summon the sympathy for their situation. This is further exacerbated by OP's comparison of ESO to games that are Shooters with MMO/RPG-ish qualities. The two genre should rarely be mixed, and even more rarely compared as they really share nothing in common amongst the individual games in the aforementioned genre. MMO's especially should not be compared to a travesty like Destiny (worst $60 USD I've ever spent...).

Asherons_Call · August 2015

"Console players are used to games mmos like Destiny and FX where it doesn't take hundreds of hours to hit cap"

It took even the most dedicated players months to years to hit the original level cap of 126 in Asherons call. It was a great achievement back in the days before games that a little arrow pointing you to your next quest. It's unbelievable how much games have dumbed down over the years.

Asherons_Call · August 2015

dlepi24 wrote: »

You sit here and compare everything to Destiny as if it's some magical perfect MMO. Destiny doesn't have text chat. Destiny doesn't have group finder. Destiny didn't even have voice chat for a long time. Destiny has an awful level up system based entirely on RNG. Destiny doesn't have guilds. Destiny doesn't have crafting. Hell, Destiny doesn't even have content to play after 10 hours. This game has an absurd amount of content and a variety of things to do than Destiny. Destiny is one of the worst MMO's ever.

Destiny is a shooting game isn't it? Not sure how a shooter even compares to an rpg.. They're all so boring. Just my opinion though

Huckdabuck · August 2015

Welcome to ESO console peasants! The PC master race started dealing with these issues (minus no text chat) almost a year and a half ago. I find it funny that y'all are creating the same threads that some people did back in April 2014. Just an FYI......ZOS doesn't care.....never have and never will.

reften · August 2015

PvP end game is by far the best I've ever played on a game, regardless of genre...with no close 2nd. Find a good guild that runs a lot, play with them or go solo only. When you go solo, don't go out in the field, stay close to your alliance. When running with your guild, go with a 16 man group min that uses TS.

So much fun. If you can't have fun doing that, then pvp isn't for you.

twistedmonk · August 2015

I think we were all expecting Elder Scrolls Online to be more of a sandbox MMO...and instead we got a theme-park quest grind style game.

and then, because they lacked content, they decided to add "Veteran Ranks" as a means of rehashing content that they already did...clever I suppose, it's like adding mirrors in a hallway to make it look bigger...but also a cheap tactic and it was not well received. You're basically starting over 3x in a row as nobody knows how you are when you start over (you go from being a hero to zero). I expected better in a AAA title with such a huge budget.

Lack of zone-wide communication is a huge problem in a MMO. especially in cyrodiil where it's supposed to be Realm Vs Realm where you need to be able to communicate with people all over the map.

Uncle_Voodoo · August 2015

Dcaliber wrote: »

ghostwise wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

ghostwise wrote: »

Dcaliber wrote: »

MaKTaiL wrote: »

I couldn't disagree more. I've been playing on PS4 since it came out and I'm just enjoying the quests and story on my own pace. I'm on veteran rank 7 doing quests on a rank 4 area. Leveling is fine the way it is, I don't feel like I'm grinding at all.

That is until you reach the end of questing and have to grind zombies to level. The questing will only take you to VR10. This is the main focus of my thread(1)

So have you done everything in craglorn and all the quests in cyrodiil too then?

No need to take offense pal
I'm waiting for IC patch to level my console toons. .

No offense taken, was merely a question because you said you've exhausted all the quests at vr10 and you didn't answer my question. I just find it a bit far fetched.

My point comes from many of my PC guildies who did all the silver +gold Quests and some Cyrodiil quests,yet still had to mob grind for the last 3 VR levels. I see this as a problem that there isn't enough solo quest for a player to reach true endgame.

I just don't see this.. I am on my second toon and I was able to hit vr14 on the first at completion of cadwell's gold and the current toon is vr6 in the starting the last zone of cadwell's silver. I don't grind mobs, but I do kill stuff on my way thru quests.

Avenias · August 2015

Dcaliber wrote: »

Let me get this out of the way, this is not a thread about me raging over the game, rather me voicing my opinions and ideas to HELP the game.

1. Veteran Ranks- I'm not going to go on talking about what has been said over in a thousand threads. VR's are killing ESO on consoles.All my friends are just burnt out of questing. All but 1 have quit. 7 guilds I had joined at launch are now COMPLETELY dead due to VRs.(And lack of communication) The time required to reach VR14 is ridiculous. That doesn't even go over the fact that questing in ALL the zones doesn't even get you to VR14! You still have to grind mobs to get xp.
-Solution- Exactly what ZOS has planned. Scrap VR's and just have the champion system(with seasons and catch up mechanics of course). Allow players to hit 50, and have the option to do silver+gold for champion points, nothing else. This needs to be added asap. Console players are used to games mmos like Destiny and FX where it doesn't take hundreds of hours to hit cap.

2. Lack of communication(No text chat)- I don't know how many of the devs actually main on consoles, but the lack of communication is mind-boggling. Let's say you join 5 guilds. In order for a guild to ask you if you want to do a delve, you have to manually join the voice chat. Most likely, out of the 100 players in the guild, MAYBE 2 will be in the voice chat. This is only for one guild of the five. So either you end up messaging the entire guilds via console messaging or the gm spams a new message of the day. Most guilds don't even talk to each other because of the lack of communication tools.
-Solution- ADD TEXT CHAT. Please. It is 100% needed. What about deaf players? We need it. If I have to join one more Cyrodiil pug via a guy screaming " COME TO STEPS FOR INVITE" I am going to scream.

3. Battle Leveling- I pvp'd from level 10 to 45 and had an absolute blast in Cyrodiil(apart from no text chat). We were all even and didn't have champion points or VR's to rely on, only our pvp prowess. Then I hit VR1 and que'd for Cyrodiil and was destroyed by VR14's from PC who have insane gear and champion points. It just isn't fun. That was the last time I went to Cyrodiil.
Solution-Battle leveling needs to be in all campaigns, not just non vet. At least give me a fighting chance.

I doubt I will be playing ESO for much longer. I just hope that when I return that these problems are fixed.

I really do love the Zos team. It is awesome to see them come on ESO live and answer these questions and for the most part, the team has been straight forward. I would just appreciate if the team acknowledges these as problems on consoles. And trust me, they are HUGE problems. (WE NEED TEXT CHAT)

I hope my fellow ESO players show some support, especially fellow console players.
Thanks everyone!

Dont disturb the devs, they r too busy collecting talvar stones.

k2blader · August 2015

The time to level in this game is ridiculous. For a casual player wanting to play casually a few hours a night (PvE or PvP) the time to get to max level shouldn't be any longer than a month-- maybe two if you want to stick it to them. After that the vast majority of a person's time should be enjoying end game, gearing and fine tuning, and/or leveling new toons for the fun of a change in class/build. And for new toons, you shouldn't have to repeat the exact same tedious content already completed for your first vet. This game's forced leveling grind is so F'd up it's not funny.

reften · August 2015

k2blader wrote: »

The time to level in this game is ridiculous. For a casual player wanting to play casually a few hours a night (PvE or PvP) the time to get to max level shouldn't be any longer than a month-- maybe two if you want to stick it to them. After that the vast majority of a person's time should be enjoying end game, gearing and fine tuning, and/or leveling new toons for the fun of a change in class/build. And for new toons, you shouldn't have to repeat the exact same tedious content already completed for your first vet. This game's forced leveling grind is so F'd up it's not funny.

You have to be kidding? Why? What is the hurry?

Gaiden'Densetsu · August 2015

Dcaliber wrote: »

Let me get this out of the way, this is not a thread about me raging over the game, rather me voicing my opinions and ideas to HELP the game.

1. Veteran Ranks- I'm not going to go on talking about what has been said over in a thousand threads. VR's are killing ESO on consoles.All my friends are just burnt out of questing. All but 1 have quit. 7 guilds I had joined at launch are now COMPLETELY dead due to VRs.(And lack of communication) The time required to reach VR14 is ridiculous. That doesn't even go over the fact that questing in ALL the zones doesn't even get you to VR14! You still have to grind mobs to get xp.
-Solution- Exactly what ZOS has planned. Scrap VR's and just have the champion system(with seasons and catch up mechanics of course). Allow players to hit 50, and have the option to do silver+gold for champion points, nothing else. This needs to be added asap. Console players are used to games mmos like Destiny and FX where it doesn't take hundreds of hours to hit cap.

2. Lack of communication(No text chat)- I don't know how many of the devs actually main on consoles, but the lack of communication is mind-boggling. Let's say you join 5 guilds. In order for a guild to ask you if you want to do a delve, you have to manually join the voice chat. Most likely, out of the 100 players in the guild, MAYBE 2 will be in the voice chat. This is only for one guild of the five. So either you end up messaging the entire guilds via console messaging or the gm spams a new message of the day. Most guilds don't even talk to each other because of the lack of communication tools.
-Solution- ADD TEXT CHAT. Please. It is 100% needed. What about deaf players? We need it. If I have to join one more Cyrodiil pug via a guy screaming " COME TO STEPS FOR INVITE" I am going to scream.

3. Battle Leveling- I pvp'd from level 10 to 45 and had an absolute blast in Cyrodiil(apart from no text chat). We were all even and didn't have champion points or VR's to rely on, only our pvp prowess. Then I hit VR1 and que'd for Cyrodiil and was destroyed by VR14's from PC who have insane gear and champion points. It just isn't fun. That was the last time I went to Cyrodiil.
Solution-Battle leveling needs to be in all campaigns, not just non vet. At least give me a fighting chance.

I doubt I will be playing ESO for much longer. I just hope that when I return that these problems are fixed.

I really do love the Zos team. It is awesome to see them come on ESO live and answer these questions and for the most part, the team has been straight forward. I would just appreciate if the team acknowledges these as problems on consoles. And trust me, they are HUGE problems. (WE NEED TEXT CHAT)

I hope my fellow ESO players show some support, especially fellow console players.
Thanks everyone!

Still new to the game and just hit v14 today, but for your number 1 point about having to grind to v14 is not true. I hit v 14 today on my first toon and im right at the end on caldwells gold with no grinding at all. I did all quest that i know of and didn't even do all group dungeons yet and hit v14 before i finished gold. as for your other comments, I have no opinion on yet because im still pretty new.

Reeko · August 2015

I ht V14 and i havnt even finished cadwell gold.

Gaiden'Densetsu · August 2015

^^ see, only reason your grinding is because your rushing through skipping stuff.

Reeko · August 2015

Gaiden'Densetsu wrote: »

^^ see, only reason your grinding is because your rushing through skipping stuff.

No not at all. Please dont make assumptions. Im v14 BECAUSE i did everything in each zone before moveing on. All delves, side quests, public dungeon, dolmens, even lore books. I have yet to sit and "grind" a lvl. If anything, the people who dont hit v14 at the end of gold skipped stuff.

icontested · August 2015

Dcaliber wrote: »

Let me get this out of the way, this is not a thread about me raging over the game, rather me voicing my opinions and ideas to HELP the game.

1. Veteran Ranks- I'm not going to go on talking about what has been said over in a thousand threads. VR's are killing ESO on consoles.All my friends are just burnt out of questing. All but 1 have quit. 7 guilds I had joined at launch are now COMPLETELY dead due to VRs.(And lack of communication) The time required to reach VR14 is ridiculous. That doesn't even go over the fact that questing in ALL the zones doesn't even get you to VR14! You still have to grind mobs to get xp.
-Solution- Exactly what ZOS has planned. Scrap VR's and just have the champion system(with seasons and catch up mechanics of course). Allow players to hit 50, and have the option to do silver+gold for champion points, nothing else. This needs to be added asap. Console players are used to games mmos like Destiny and FX where it doesn't take hundreds of hours to hit cap.

2. Lack of communication(No text chat)- I don't know how many of the devs actually main on consoles, but the lack of communication is mind-boggling. Let's say you join 5 guilds. In order for a guild to ask you if you want to do a delve, you have to manually join the voice chat. Most likely, out of the 100 players in the guild, MAYBE 2 will be in the voice chat. This is only for one guild of the five. So either you end up messaging the entire guilds via console messaging or the gm spams a new message of the day. Most guilds don't even talk to each other because of the lack of communication tools.
-Solution- ADD TEXT CHAT. Please. It is 100% needed. What about deaf players? We need it. If I have to join one more Cyrodiil pug via a guy screaming " COME TO STEPS FOR INVITE" I am going to scream.

3. Battle Leveling- I pvp'd from level 10 to 45 and had an absolute blast in Cyrodiil(apart from no text chat). We were all even and didn't have champion points or VR's to rely on, only our pvp prowess. Then I hit VR1 and que'd for Cyrodiil and was destroyed by VR14's from PC who have insane gear and champion points. It just isn't fun. That was the last time I went to Cyrodiil.
Solution-Battle leveling needs to be in all campaigns, not just non vet. At least give me a fighting chance.

I doubt I will be playing ESO for much longer. I just hope that when I return that these problems are fixed.

I really do love the Zos team. It is awesome to see them come on ESO live and answer these questions and for the most part, the team has been straight forward. I would just appreciate if the team acknowledges these as problems on consoles. And trust me, they are HUGE problems. (WE NEED TEXT CHAT)

I hope my fellow ESO players show some support, especially fellow console players.
Thanks everyone!

I read the statement console players are used to destiny.. Now I think you are going from destiny to ESO. you should be in paradise.. I'm no expert but maybe you can break down your post for some gripes in the form of questions so the vets can offer some tips to make paradise even more paradise

Justice31st · August 2015

I got to veteran rank 11 on my Templar with grinding. But I am currently afraid to go into veteran rank Cyrodil pvp under leveled, under champion pointed, and under geared, so I decided to roll a new character and made my main a full crafter lol.

Trensharo · August 2015

ADarklore wrote: »

I've never understood the point of reaching "the highest level"... for what? People complain that they have no 'end game content' when the fact is, they've RUSHED through and/or skipped the majority of CONTENT just because they thought some magical event was waiting for them at the end... but when has this ever been the case in ANY MMO?!? In every MMO, once you get to the top, then you're just WAITING for the next DLC release... and what happens, those same players complaining about lack of content RUSH through the new DLC, so they can sit and complain a couple more months about no content. It just boggles my mind how people make choices and then complain that it is the FAULT of the game.

Because it's the epic nature of role playing games. The leveling process is used to build your character, and then you go and perform epic feats when your character is leveled. It when you formulate a build, pick a class/play style, join guilds, gear up, etc.

These games started being about getting to highest level when people stopped caring about the journey and started caring only about the destination. In older MMORPGs like EQ, the Journey was 90% of the game. The trend changed with the current breed of Quest to Level, EZ Mode, PvP-Oriented MMORPGs.

And seriously, this game is not much different than an FPSMMO like Destiny. It even feels like one, for the most part. Without the ability to communicate efficiently with other people, which doesn't force you to use your RL voice a lot of people get turned off of a game.

Forced Voice Chat would probably be less of an issue in a game like Diablo 3 when you joined a Multi-Player game, but then again those people can simply use Party Chat on an Xbox or PS4 without the need to have the game foist it upon them.

I think the biggest issue with the lack of chat communication is that you get incredibly bored and burned out if you are out soloing in an area and just want to chat with other people without being forced to group with them or joining other, open, channels. I cannot tell how many times I was doing something solo-oriented in an MMORPG that I would have logged off from if not for the ability to have a casual conversation with others while I was doing it...

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · August 2015

Justice31st wrote: »

I got to veteran rank 11 on my Templar with grinding. But I am currently afraid to go into veteran rank Cyrodil pvp under leveled, under champion pointed, and under geared, so I decided to roll a new character and made my main a full crafter lol.

psst I didn't tell you this but there's an option that if you fight a vet 14 player, your skills get a secret boost to their power so you have a fighting chance and the npc mobs being Vet 10 is in appearance only, they are really only Vet 5 but were given a Vet 10 rank so they give more xp.