Crafting Writs - Current bugs and problems on the PTS.

Sharmony · August 2015

Hello everyone,

I am writing this post to briefly discuss about the crafting writs that produce the glass armor motif fragments. I am fortunate enough to have played the game a long enough time that I have achieved 7 Veteran Rank 14's, each of which I have been doing writs on every day saving up writ boxes since the announcement of the PTS patch notes. Having saved up a considerable amount of max level writ boxes (17 on each character of Blacksmithing, Clothing and Woodworking (2 and a half weeks)) I was excited when the European character transfer occurred to the PTS. Whilst understanding that these writ boxes were not of the new rank 10 skill point in each of these three professions I was still excited to receive several glass motif chapters from the 357 writ boxes that were available to me and therefore to see the new glass style. The shock occurred that from these 357 boxes I only was able to obtain 15 recipe fragments, with 10 fragments giving you 1 chapter page with the addition of 25k gold (Equivalent to the Dwemer motif chapters). Out of the 357 boxes the 238 Woodworking and Clothing boxes granted me only 1 recipe fragment. Meanwhile, the 119 Blacksmithing boxes gave me 14 fragments , indicating a bug in the drop rates from both the Clothing and Woodworking boxes? which was also reflected in my friends drop rates. While I appreciate that these are rare armor styles, to achieve only a single complete chapter page from this volume of writ boxes seems ludicrous to me. Most players will not be able to gather this volume of boxes within even a month or even two. Likewise having carried out the new rank 10 writ boxes on the PTS I have been finding similar results on the drop rates. If this is intentional and to be as slower process as researching 9/9 traits in all professions then forgive my ignorance in this post, I just thought that you would want players to see the new work that your visual set designers have put into the 1.7 update.

A response would be much appreciated.

Darlon · August 2015

yeah, experienced the same on my character copies... got 3 recipe fragments out of 30 or so boxes...
Drop rate is ridiculously low...

Sharmony · August 2015

I wonder if @ZOS_GinaBruno will ever see this

EDIT: Notice me Senpai!

Rinmaethodain · August 2015

They be seeing it, they wont be carin for it.
As long as glass motif will come to crown store, they will keep it like that.

BuggeX · August 2015

MaximusDargus wrote: »

They be seeing it, they wont be carin for it.
As long as glass motif will come to crown store, they will keep it like that.

nah, they will fix it. Blacksmithing has a to high drop chance

Sharmony · August 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

They be seeing it, they wont be carin for it.
As long as glass motif will come to crown store, they will keep it like that.

nah, they will fix it. Blacksmithing has a to high drop chance

Too high?! Far from the opposite, the others have too low, if a player needs to do lets say 1000 writs to get the full set of chapters (regardless of even if they don't get all the exact chapters, therefore including duplicates of some with some still missing) this is a ridiculous amount of time / money / effort to ask a player to do.

Contraptions · August 2015

@ OP,

Thanks for the info. Were all the boxes you opened rank IX? Was hoping if you could confirm if lower level boxes also dropped the fragments.

On a side note, did you open any Provisioning boxes? Was also wondering whether V15 recipes were available from boxes as well.

(My nightmare of Glass being a grind fest is becoming closer and closer to a reality...)

Sharmony · August 2015

Contraptions wrote: »

@ OP,

Thanks for the info. Were all the boxes you opened rank IX? Was hoping if you could confirm if lower level boxes also dropped the fragments.

On a side note, did you open any Provisioning boxes? Was also wondering whether V15 recipes were available from boxes as well.

(My nightmare of Glass being a grind fest is becoming closer and closer to a reality...)

All writ boxes were indeed max level and obtained from Craglorn, so I don't have any further information for you on this one, sorry

I haven't saved or opened any of the provisioning writ boxes for the new recipe's as these did not excite me as much as Glass armor!

Glass armor sadly can't even be a grind-fest as you stated like dwemer was, as you are limited to how many times you can try and get the fragments per day

The 'grind' per-ce is currently endless given how many writs I do per day and how little I was rewarded with 357 boxes

Rinmaethodain · August 2015

Sharmony wrote: »

Contraptions wrote: »

@ OP,

Thanks for the info. Were all the boxes you opened rank IX? Was hoping if you could confirm if lower level boxes also dropped the fragments.

On a side note, did you open any Provisioning boxes? Was also wondering whether V15 recipes were available from boxes as well.

(My nightmare of Glass being a grind fest is becoming closer and closer to a reality...)

All writ boxes were indeed max level and obtained from Craglorn, so I don't have any further information for you on this one, sorry

I haven't saved or opened any of the provisioning writ boxes for the new recipe's as these did not excite me as much as Glass armor!

Glass armor sadly can't even be a grind-fest as you stated like dwemer was, as you are limited to how many times you can try and get the fragments per day The 'grind' per-ce is currently endless given how many writs I do per day and how little I was rewarded with 357 boxes

And the reason glass motif droprate is so low is because ZOS assumes everyone "exploits" writs by making every alt max crafts out.

So everyone who plays "fair" is put at disadvantage by the start.

Would love to see "writ" quests being account wide, not character wide.

Sharmony · August 2015

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Sharmony wrote: »

Contraptions wrote: »

@ OP,

Thanks for the info. Were all the boxes you opened rank IX? Was hoping if you could confirm if lower level boxes also dropped the fragments.

On a side note, did you open any Provisioning boxes? Was also wondering whether V15 recipes were available from boxes as well.

(My nightmare of Glass being a grind fest is becoming closer and closer to a reality...)

All writ boxes were indeed max level and obtained from Craglorn, so I don't have any further information for you on this one, sorry

I haven't saved or opened any of the provisioning writ boxes for the new recipe's as these did not excite me as much as Glass armor!

Glass armor sadly can't even be a grind-fest as you stated like dwemer was, as you are limited to how many times you can try and get the fragments per day The 'grind' per-ce is currently endless given how many writs I do per day and how little I was rewarded with 357 boxes

And the reason glass motif droprate is so low is because ZOS assumes everyone "exploits" writs by making every alt max crafts out.

So everyone who plays "fair" is put at disadvantage by the start.

Would love to see "writ" quests being account wide, not character wide.

I understand you place "Exploit" in such a manner, but in creating my alts (all V14) all I was technically doing was playing the game and leveling new characters to keep my options and interests open

. I do not believe therefore that players who do not do this are at a disadvantage in general but choose to play the game in a manner. This being said that when concerning the writs in particular does put them at a disadvantage. Players who enjoyed leveling multiple characters should not be punished, especially when players like myself have gone out of their way to test writs on the PTS and be able to provide feedback which will hopefully benefit players who can do less writs then I can. Account wide writs does seem an unfair but just solution to players with multiple characters.

BuggeX · August 2015

Sharmony wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

They be seeing it, they wont be carin for it.
As long as glass motif will come to crown store, they will keep it like that.

nah, they will fix it. Blacksmithing has a to high drop chance

Too high?! Far from the opposite, the others have too low, if a player needs to do lets say 1000 writs to get the full set of chapters (regardless of even if they don't get all the exact chapters, therefore including duplicates of some with some still missing) this is a ridiculous amount of time / money / effort to ask a player to do.

sry i forgot,

/irony off

Pyro117 · August 2015

For all the console players who were not able to transfer any game characters over.... It would be a small set of us that have multiple VR14 with a bank of max writs waiting for us.

I only have 1 VR1 (the rest are below VR ranks). How in the world am I ever doing to get the glass motiff without buying them from the crown store or guild traders? I certainly don't have the time to create several VR14s with maxed out crafting.

Sharmony · August 2015

Pyro117 wrote: »

For all the console players who were not able to transfer any game characters over.... It would be a small set of us that have multiple VR14 with a bank of max writs waiting for us.

I only have 1 VR1 (the rest are below VR ranks). How in the world am I ever doing to get the glass motiff without buying them from the crown store or guild traders? I certainly don't have the time to create several VR14s with maxed out crafting.

I agree entirely, the drop rate is too low for anyone, even me with enough characters to attempt to test these drop rates with a reasonably small sample size of writ boxes.

Faulgor · August 2015

Not as large as your pool, but I collected crafting boxes for this occasion as well and came up with this:

16 Clothier Boxes - 1 Fragment
16 Blackmithing Boxes - 1 Fragment
16 Woodworking Boxes - 1 Fragment

What's more, the fragment usually dropped in the first 1-3 boxes I opened, then nothing. It's almost like the droprate is higher than it seems, but activates some sort of cooldown once one drops.

Sharmony · August 2015

Faulgor wrote: »

Not as large as your pool, but I collected crafting boxes for this occasion as well and came up with this:

16 Clothier Boxes - 1 Fragment
16 Blackmithing Boxes - 1 Fragment
16 Woodworking Boxes - 1 Fragment

What's more, the fragment usually dropped in the first 1-3 boxes I opened, then nothing. It's almost like the droprate is higher than it seems, but activates some sort of cooldown once one drops.

This was also the case for me but then I also received several further along the openings on each character within Blacksmithing, yet still I did not receive a single one from woodworking and only one from clothing as previously mentioned across all characters

pppontus · August 2015

It's been confirmed that the Glass motif will come to the Crown Store, they probably noticed that even with the added grind of finding motif chapters (i.e. Dwemer chapters) the sales just weren't enough.. so they added in an extra layer of 10x grind to boost sales numbers of the Glass motif. If that doesn't work, next time we'll probably see fragments of fragments

Sharmony · August 2015

pppontus wrote: »

It's been confirmed that the Glass motif will come to the Crown Store, they probably noticed that even with the added grind of finding motif chapters (i.e. Dwemer chapters) the sales just weren't enough.. so they added in an extra layer of 10x grind to boost sales numbers of the Glass motif. If that doesn't work, next time we'll probably see fragments of fragments

Haha, all I'm thinking of now is "Round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel..."

Faulgor · August 2015

Sharmony wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Not as large as your pool, but I collected crafting boxes for this occasion as well and came up with this:

16 Clothier Boxes - 1 Fragment
16 Blackmithing Boxes - 1 Fragment
16 Woodworking Boxes - 1 Fragment

What's more, the fragment usually dropped in the first 1-3 boxes I opened, then nothing. It's almost like the droprate is higher than it seems, but activates some sort of cooldown once one drops.

This was also the case for me but then I also received several further along the openings on each character within Blacksmithing, yet still I did not receive a single one from woodworking and only one from clothing as previously mentioned across all characters

There's definitely something odd going on with the droprate.

Regardless, even if you managed to get 10 fragments per month, that'll take over a year to get the full motif. That's ridiculous. The time-gating brought by daily writs really amplifies this problem and leads to unpleasant meta-gaming, where dedicated crafters who want to work towards a new style have to create as many characters as possible with maxed out crafting professions. I don't want to limit access to writ rewards further to prevent this, but I think one writ box per profession per day is a reasonable baseline to adjust the fragment droprate.
A crafter who completes one clothing, blacksmithing and woodworking writ per day should have a good chance to complete the motif before a new update with new motifs gets released.

Sharmony · August 2015

Faulgor wrote: »

Sharmony wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Not as large as your pool, but I collected crafting boxes for this occasion as well and came up with this:

16 Clothier Boxes - 1 Fragment
16 Blackmithing Boxes - 1 Fragment
16 Woodworking Boxes - 1 Fragment

What's more, the fragment usually dropped in the first 1-3 boxes I opened, then nothing. It's almost like the droprate is higher than it seems, but activates some sort of cooldown once one drops.

This was also the case for me but then I also received several further along the openings on each character within Blacksmithing, yet still I did not receive a single one from woodworking and only one from clothing as previously mentioned across all characters

There's definitely something odd going on with the droprate.

Regardless, even if you managed to get 10 fragments per month, that'll take over a year to get the full motif. That's ridiculous. The time-gating brought by daily writs really amplifies this problem and leads to unpleasant meta-gaming, where dedicated crafters who want to work towards a new style have to create as many characters as possible with maxed out crafting professions. I don't want to limit access to writ rewards further to prevent this, but I think one writ box per profession per day is a reasonable baseline to adjust the fragment droprate.
A crafter who completes one clothing, blacksmithing and woodworking writ per day should have a good chance to complete the motif before a new update with new motifs gets released.

Couldn't agree more. (However, I do have multiple characters as already discussed but only because I like being ready for change with coming updates and am an Alt-o-holic!)

ZOS_RichLambert · August 2015

/lurk

GTech_1 · August 2015

357 writs without a full copy of the Glass motif??

Olivierko · August 2015

Great, people saving undaunted keys and writ boxes so that they can get the new items at launch of the patch, whilst people who have saved up AP are now sitting on millions that are more or less worthless unless you're in deep need of soul gems.

I really don't see the difference between this since the argument for no new items on AP vendors was to prevent players from retrieving desired gear at launch, only difference here being that these writ boxes will translate to gold which will most likely be used to buy the new gear.

Faulgor · August 2015

GTech_1 wrote: »

357 writs without a full copy of the Glass motif??

To get a full copy from 357 writs, you'd have to get at least 140 fragments, which is about a 40% drop rate. No way will they make a rare item that common.

If we assume for a moment that there is no bug with the drop rate and we add mine and Sharmony's data, we get 18 fragments from 405 boxes. That is roughly a 5% drop rate for a single fragment. You'll need ~20 boxes for one fragment, 10 fragments for a full page, and 14 pages for the full motif. That adds up to 2800 boxes, which will take 7.6 years to collect with one writ per day, 2.5 years with 3 writs per day, and so on.

Of course, this is just silly. As mentioned above, 3 months seems like a resonable timeframe.

Apparently, ZOS was not happy how fast full Ambrosia recipes were available after their release, and simply decided to make the grind that much more horrible to compensate. However, this will just put an even larger gap between those who use writs the "normal" way, doing one with their dedicated crafter every day, and those who power-game the system, by maxing professions on multiple characters. As described above, this creates a very unpleasant situation, where you feel forced to go out of the way of normal gameplay to get the best rewards, in this case, create and play characters you don't want to create or play.

There are a few solutions to this I can see, which should be considered before adjusting the fragment drop rate.
* Remove the daily limit for writs. Of course, this would mean you could do writs as many times as you wanted as long as you had the materials. Thus, the droprate of rare items from writs would have to be lowered even more, and power-gamers would find new ways to maximize the reward, but "normal" players wouldn't have to go out of their way anymore to increase their chances.
* Make the daily timer account-wide. This way, you could only do one clothing / blacksmithing / woodworking writ per day per account, instead of the current limit of 8. This would not impact most players, except maybe those who would like to level a secondary character's profession with writs while at the same time doing writs with a high level character for rewards.
* Don't tie fragments to writs at all. I can't see a better way right now, but technically this could be an option.

I've been doing provisioning writs with my provisioner since the release of Ambrosia on PC. I don't have a full recipe yet. That's fine with me, but it's also evident that the system was not designed for this playstyle. Likewise, I don't see how the Glass motif system is designed for dedicated crafters, but I think it should be. I like that fragments and pages are tradeable, but currently, it seems you are better off making money any other way and buying your fragments than actually crafting.

I've recently started to do provisioning writs with another character for Ambrosia fragments. It hasn't increased my enjoyment of the game.

Sharmony · August 2015

Olivierko wrote: »

Great, people saving undaunted keys and writ boxes so that they can get the new items at launch of the patch, whilst people who have saved up AP are now sitting on millions that are more or less worthless unless you're in deep need of soul gems.

I really don't see the difference between this since the argument for no new items on AP vendors was to prevent players from retrieving desired gear at launch, only difference here being that these writ boxes will translate to gold which will most likely be used to buy the new gear.

I couldn't agree more about the AP situation, I wish the Tel'var system had had a reasonable and non ridiculous way to maybe convert one to the other. The other alternative being open up new item sets within the AP system (It's been a year...). Once again, I agree with you but this post here was specifically being targeted at an obscurely low drop chance on writ boxes

Faulgor wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

357 writs without a full copy of the Glass motif??

To get a full copy from 357 writs, you'd have to get at least 140 fragments, which is about a 40% drop rate. No way will they make a rare item that common.

If we assume for a moment that there is no bug with the drop rate and we add mine and Sharmony's data, we get 18 fragments from 405 boxes. That is roughly a 5% drop rate for a single fragment. You'll need ~20 boxes for one fragment, 10 fragments for a full page, and 14 pages for the full motif. That adds up to 2800 boxes, which will take 7.6 years to collect with one writ per day, 2.5 years with 3 writs per day, and so on.

Of course, this is just silly. As mentioned above, 3 months seems like a resonable timeframe.

I couldn't agree more @Faulgor. Your time frame once again is a very reasonable one, 3 months to complete the entire set of chapters with the chance each time to getting the full volume of them is very reasonable.

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

Appreciated!

byrom101b16_ESO · August 2015

With the default assumption that everyone uses a maximal number of alts for crafting purposes, the drop rates on gold mats and from crafting crates have been heavily nerfed.

Those that play few or one character (casuals, right up to those who can't park themselves 18 hours a day on their computer) suffer for it - seeing next to no drops over a considerable time indeed.

Zenimax, instead of making this extremely bias move, should have had a reasonable drop rate on the first one of each type of hireling for the character(s) by having a loot bag sent by each one, and make it the same with the crates.

Then have a diminishing return on further crates and hireling loot bags opened by the same account in the same 20 hour period.

The current flat numerical model is really no good for anyone.

In fact a significant number of game elements increasingly force grinding and favour those who do little else with their day except play, who are in a minority of course...

... being bias in favour of a small minority in serving their needs whilst simultaneously seriously disadvantaging the majority of your customers is commercially self-defeating any way you slice it.

Zenimax don't seem to have grasped this concept to-date...

Sharmony · August 2015

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

With the default assumption that everyone uses a maximal number of alts for crafting purposes, the drop rates on gold mats and from crafting crates has been heavily nerfed.

Those that play few or one character (casuals, right up to those who can't park themselves 18 hours a day on their computer) suffer for it - seeing next to no drops over a considerable time indeed.

Zenimax, instead of making this useless move, should have had a reasonable drop rate on the first one of each type of hireling for the character(s) by having a loot bag sent by each one, and make it the same with the crates.

Then have a diminishing return on further crates and hireling loot bags opened by the same account in the same 20 hour period.

The current flat numerical model is really no good for anyone.

As someone with multiple characters I agree with this idea of yours, although I would not like to see the diminishing returns become too hefty due to my leveling efforts which I did as part of my enjoyment of both the game, community and content.

Recremen · August 2015

It's really kind of disappointing as it stands. Crafting writ rewards have always been pretty sub-par for the amount of material you need to complete them, and tying the new Glass Motif to writs doesn't make them seem more rewarding from a user experience perspective, it makes the Glass Motif seem like more of a horrifying grind.

I've always loved the writs as a concept, but they give no XP (as I recall), only sometimes enough gold to reimburse you for the materials cost (depending on player markets), and the RNG rewards might give you, like, a tempering alloy every 100 writs, but usually it's a piece of Molybdenum and maybe a repair kit. Even with all that, though, it still feels kind of rewarding because it's like a bonus for completing the quest. "Aww, a crafting survey? You shouldn't have. But I'll take it anyway." Imagine instead that doing crafting writs was the -only- way to get stuff like Tempering Alloy, but the drop rate was just as low, or worse. Not so much a reward as a terrifying grind at that point.

Now, I get that the crown store exists and that they want the grind to be too cumbersome for folks with a full-time job and kids (as I understand these are the primary target for the microtransaction economy), but when it starts looking too cumbersome for even no-lifers, I think there's a threshold that's been crossed. And let's look at what the crown store options give you so far: one motif on one character which is only good for crafted gear. That doesn't really seem worth 50 bucks to me. If it were more like Imperial Edition, where I couldn't automatically craft it on every character, but every character could convert their owned gear to glass style, I'd actually have no problem buying it. Heck, at that point, I'd buy every damn motif in the crown store! Bonus points if you could make it "look like" a different tier of armor, kind of like how all the clothies in Cyro are running around in heavy armor costumes. If I'm paying for aesthetics and customization, which I totally am and want to do, I also want to get some bang for my buck!

s7732425ub17_ESO · August 2015

You guys are missing the main reason why this grind exists in the first place:

ZOS does not want it to be easy for a single person to be able to craft everything in the glass motif. They want to promote trading between crafters. Player Bob can craft glass daggers, player Kathy can craft glass robes, player George can craft glass helms, etc. They are forcing us to specialize. So you should not be expecting to be able to craft full glass by yourself within a month's time.

They did the same thing with Nirnhoned. In order to get a full set of Nirnhoned, you pretty much have to get individual pieces crafted by multiple players. They seem to like this approach to crafting (because it is an MMO).

Sharmony · August 2015

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

You guys are missing the main reason why this grind exists in the first place:

ZOS does not want it to be easy for a single person to be able to craft everything in the glass motif. They want to promote trading between crafters. Player Bob can craft glass daggers, player Kathy can craft glass robes, player George can craft glass helms, etc. They are forcing us to specialize. So you should not be expecting to be able to craft full glass by yourself within a month's time.

They did the same thing with Nirnhoned. In order to get a full set of Nirnhoned, you pretty much have to get individual pieces crafted by multiple players. They seem to like this approach to crafting (because it is an MMO).

I get that this is there intention, I am in no means going against this. Firstly, you cannot compare a style achieved from writs compared to something that is researched, both have cooldowns before you may use them again but the former requires far more involvement from the player requiring them to do 3 writs consistently in order to even have a chance. Secondly as shown by the data I've produced, most players may have 1, possibly two characters and the drop chances are even then too low. For someone even like me with 7 characters accessible it would take me over 3 months of farming 21 writs a day to get a full set of the motifs. This is not a reasonable ask on a player like myself or on a player who will spend over 6 months until they can have the sole flexibility to craft something as simple as a new visual style. What you have to bear in mind is no one on this thread has stated they want to instantly be able to craft all of it, not even within the first month! We simply want to be able to craft it all before new content comes out, which at this stage is even unreasonable for a player like me willing to dedicate my time to over an hour and a bit of writs a day. The maths suggests I will not be able to craft glass armor before new content is out, yet alone players who are not as fortunate as I am in having such a multitude of characters accessible to writs.

Saint_JiubB14_ESO · August 2015

Faulgor wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

357 writs without a full copy of the Glass motif??

To get a full copy from 357 writs, you'd have to get at least 140 fragments, which is about a 40% drop rate. No way will they make a rare item that common.

If we assume for a moment that there is no bug with the drop rate and we add mine and Sharmony's data, we get 18 fragments from 405 boxes. That is roughly a 5% drop rate for a single fragment. You'll need ~20 boxes for one fragment, 10 fragments for a full page, and 14 pages for the full motif. That adds up to 2800 boxes, which will take 7.6 years to collect with one writ per day, 2.5 years with 3 writs per day, and so on.

Of course, this is just silly. As mentioned above, 3 months seems like a resonable timeframe.

Apparently, ZOS was not happy how fast full Ambrosia recipes were available after their release, and simply decided to make the grind that much more horrible to compensate. However, this will just put an even larger gap between those who use writs the "normal" way, doing one with their dedicated crafter every day, and those who power-game the system, by maxing professions on multiple characters. As described above, this creates a very unpleasant situation, where you feel forced to go out of the way of normal gameplay to get the best rewards, in this case, create and play characters you don't want to create or play.

There are a few solutions to this I can see, which should be considered before adjusting the fragment drop rate.
* Remove the daily limit for writs. Of course, this would mean you could do writs as many times as you wanted as long as you had the materials. Thus, the droprate of rare items from writs would have to be lowered even more, and power-gamers would find new ways to maximize the reward, but "normal" players wouldn't have to go out of their way anymore to increase their chances.
* Make the daily timer account-wide. This way, you could only do one clothing / blacksmithing / woodworking writ per day per account, instead of the current limit of 8. This would not impact most players, except maybe those who would like to level a secondary character's profession with writs while at the same time doing writs with a high level character for rewards.
* Don't tie fragments to writs at all. I can't see a better way right now, but technically this could be an option.

I've been doing provisioning writs with my provisioner since the release of Ambrosia on PC. I don't have a full recipe yet. That's fine with me, but it's also evident that the system was not designed for this playstyle. Likewise, I don't see how the Glass motif system is designed for dedicated crafters, but I think it should be. I like that fragments and pages are tradeable, but currently, it seems you are better off making money any other way and buying your fragments than actually crafting.

I've recently started to do provisioning writs with another character for Ambrosia fragments. It hasn't increased my enjoyment of the game.

7.6 years assuming each random fragment is not a duplicate, so basically with one crafter it would take longer than the game will live for.

Darlgon · August 2015

Faulgor wrote: »

Not as large as your pool, but I collected crafting boxes for this occasion as well and came up with this:

16 Clothier Boxes - 1 Fragment
16 Blackmithing Boxes - 1 Fragment
16 Woodworking Boxes - 1 Fragment

What's more, the fragment usually dropped in the first 1-3 boxes I opened, then nothing. It's almost like the droprate is higher than it seems, but activates some sort of cooldown once one drops.

I have always had a theory, in every game, that there is an invisible cooldown on crits like the Dwemer pages, Perfect Roe and other "special" items like that. ZoS designed crafting writs to be turned in and opened once a day, so you would only be eligible to get a Fragment once a day. Maybe its a superstition, but, it seems to hold true.