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What is with the overpowered tanks in PTS?

McSwaggins
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Most of the people I come across now are tanks in PTS, and they seem to be able to take way too much damage. I have many fights where I get the person down to around 10% health, throw down my execute and they some how still take and heal through al of the damage. I've even seen a nightblade doing it. Also there's been times where me and my friend will both meteor someone, they dont block it or anything, and some how only takes about half of their health. Is there some damage mitigation bug or exploit people are using?
  • Wing
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    its the way the Cyrodil debuff is working in relation to effects that mitigate damage, that is to say, they are stacking.
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  • McSwaggins
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    Wing wrote: »
    its the way the Cyrodil debuff is working in relation to effects that mitigate damage, that is to say, they are stacking.

    Why must people exploit the games bugs
  • MrGrimey
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    There's a new armor set that isn't calculating properly
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    MrGrimey wrote: »
    There's a new armor set that isn't calculating properly

    it isn't just the new Armour set. It's all damage migration effect's.
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  • TBois
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    McSwaggins wrote: »
    Wing wrote: »
    its the way the Cyrodil debuff is working in relation to effects that mitigate damage, that is to say, they are stacking.

    Why must people exploit the games bugs

    Bugs should be exploited in the PTS as ZOS needs to get data about them.
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  • Saint_JiubB14_ESO
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    McSwaggins wrote: »
    Wing wrote: »
    its the way the Cyrodil debuff is working in relation to effects that mitigate damage, that is to say, they are stacking.

    Why must people exploit the games bugs

    Bugs should be exploited in the PTS as ZOS needs to get data about them.

    too bad when they carry over into live... :(
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  • TBois
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    McSwaggins wrote: »
    Wing wrote: »
    its the way the Cyrodil debuff is working in relation to effects that mitigate damage, that is to say, they are stacking.

    Why must people exploit the games bugs

    Bugs should be exploited in the PTS as ZOS needs to get data about them.

    too bad when they carry over into live... :(

    agreed, what can you do but wait for Camelot Unchained?
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  • Alcast
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    McSwaggins wrote: »
    Most of the people I come across now are tanks in PTS, and they seem to be able to take way too much damage. I have many fights where I get the person down to around 10% health, throw down my execute and they some how still take and heal through al of the damage. I've even seen a nightblade doing it. Also there's been times where me and my friend will both meteor someone, they dont block it or anything, and some how only takes about half of their health. Is there some damage mitigation bug or exploit people are using?

    Its either Sets that have %dmg mitigation + Undeath passive Vampire, footman+ new %dmg mitigation set orsome bug that calculates execute dmg wrong with battle spirit
    Edited by Alcast on August 17, 2015 8:28AM
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  • actosh
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    Everybody takes less dmg and maybe dps should adjust. Cruel world now that armor/spellpen is fixed *hahaha*.

    Even light armor got a 100% increase in armor. Even in la u can last long against a lot of enemys as long as u have ressources. Qq a bit more and zos will change pvp.
    All play naked and first hit kills ^^.

    Encountered tough enemys but killed them. Just takes time. Maybe u should adjust. There are enough players that can counter tanks. I guess the qq will still go on ^^ enjoy.
    Edited by actosh on August 17, 2015 8:38AM
  • Wing
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    actosh wrote: »
    Everybody takes less dmg and maybe dps should adjust. Cruel world now that armor/spellpen is fixed *hahaha*.

    Even light armor got a 100% increase in armor. Even in la u can last long against a lot of enemys as long as u have ressources. Qq a bit more and zos will change pvp.
    All play naked and first hit kills ^^.

    Encountered tough enemys but killed them. Just takes time. Maybe u should adjust. There are enough players that can counter tanks. I guess the qq will still go on ^^ enjoy.

    its funny when you claim its just. . ."qq". . .when its a known fact how many effects are unintentionally stacking to provide full 100% damage mitigation. . .almost makes your opinion worthless.
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  • Alcast
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    actosh wrote: »
    Everybody takes less dmg and maybe dps should adjust. Cruel world now that armor/spellpen is fixed *hahaha*.

    Even light armor got a 100% increase in armor. Even in la u can last long against a lot of enemys as long as u have ressources. Qq a bit more and zos will change pvp.
    All play naked and first hit kills ^^.

    Encountered tough enemys but killed them. Just takes time. Maybe u should adjust. There are enough players that can counter tanks. I guess the qq will still go on ^^ enjoy.

    Most *** change from ZOS in this update.

    Stamina classes got like 3x nerfZZZZZZ, time to reroll sorc
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  • Dracane
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    #WeWant1.6Back
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  • Wing
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    Dracane wrote: »
    #WeWant1.6Back

    to be fair I didn't mind 1.5

    but if stamina regen while blocking comes with it then f**k yeah #wewant1.6back
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  • kkampaseb17_ESO
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    Yes we want 1.6 back with the changes to absorb shields of 1.7 and the fixes to sharpened mace/nirn. And now let the rage begin....
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    Yes we want 1.6 back with the changes to absorb shields of 1.7 and the fixes to sharpened mace/nirn. And now let the rage begin....

    yeah that one
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  • Rinmaethodain
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    OP tanks in PVP?

    Seems like we have a DPS here with L2P issue *wink*wink*

    The part where "i throw down my execute and they still live" is highlight of my day. OP wanted to one shot kill someone, failed, went to forum and complained.
  • Wing
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    OP tanks in PVP?

    Seems like we have a DPS here with L2P issue *wink*wink*

    The part where "i throw down my execute and they still live" is highlight of my day. OP wanted to one shot kill someone, failed, went to forum and complained.

    hey now maximus you know I more then anyone will be more then happy to fight and rage for tanks, but I think this is a reference to the broken stacking damage mitigation effects currently being enjoyed on the pts.

    ESO player since beta.
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  • kkampaseb17_ESO
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    OP tanks in PVP?

    Seems like we have a DPS here with L2P issue *wink*wink*

    The part where "i throw down my execute and they still live" is highlight of my day. OP wanted to one shot kill someone, failed, went to forum and complained.

    No actually the OP has a point and it is caused due to some exploit of an OP set synergizing with the current Battle spirit. Same goes with some other abilities that introduce flat -% damage taken. Apart from that he is not correct.
    Edited by kkampaseb17_ESO on August 17, 2015 9:10AM
  • Rinmaethodain
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    Wing wrote: »
    OP tanks in PVP?

    Seems like we have a DPS here with L2P issue *wink*wink*

    The part where "i throw down my execute and they still live" is highlight of my day. OP wanted to one shot kill someone, failed, went to forum and complained.

    hey now maximus you know I more then anyone will be more then happy to fight and rage for tanks, but I think this is a reference to the broken stacking damage mitigation effects currently being enjoyed on the pts.

    Thanks for information. Hope people /bug it and ZOS fixes it.

    Also i wonder how many people, who had no idea about this exploit, live in false assumption that "tanks are OP in PVP" despite unjustified "0 stamina regen while blocking" nerf.

    Because, exploits and critical bugs like this can make rumors spread. Someone sees that, doesent know bout exploit, first thing he does? Assumes that he meet something OP.
    Edited by Rinmaethodain on August 17, 2015 9:25AM
  • Rune_Relic
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    Armour is useless.
    Blocking is too expensive.
    Damage shields is the way to go now.

    You too can stand there all day and take no damage.
    Or you can invest in armour, do no damage and melt.
    Or you can invest in block, have no resource, do no damage and melt.

    Anything and everything that empowers, creates a damage shield is where you want to be now.
    Don't forget to grind the CP.
    Anything that can be exploited will be exploited
  • actosh
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    Wing wrote: »
    actosh wrote: »
    Everybody takes less dmg and maybe dps should adjust. Cruel world now that armor/spellpen is fixed *hahaha*.

    Even light armor got a 100% increase in armor. Even in la u can last long against a lot of enemys as long as u have ressources. Qq a bit more and zos will change pvp.
    All play naked and first hit kills ^^.

    Encountered tough enemys but killed them. Just takes time. Maybe u should adjust. There are enough players that can counter tanks. I guess the qq will still go on ^^ enjoy.

    its funny when you claim its just. . ."qq". . .when its a known fact how many effects are unintentionally stacking to provide full 100% damage mitigation. . .almost makes your opinion worthless.

    Well. Not everyone stacking some mitigation crap is automaticly a tank.
    Mist form is bugged.
    Battlespirit still got issues.

    So dont get in here and blame tanks. Blame and mention the abilities, ultimates and passives that do so.
    Like VoB, Mist Form (wich is an escape skill and its fine. Nope im no vampire), SoM, Temp Ult ( all 3of em) and varios Sets.

    All those things are a reason ppl nearly never die since not the skills are the problem, but battlespirit is and the fact that this patch still need a lot of time to fix stuff and get everything to "working as intended".

    Thats the reason i told em to continue the qq is that he is blaming a playstyle in this game and not the real reason why it suxx and he cant kill *** like many others. Besides that, if this was a ragepost made by him or just qq, how about constructive feedback and mentioning the real issue. Maybe i should have given another answer but atm it suxx to see ppl blamin playstyles and not the *** up mechanics that allow to do so ending up in more gamebreaking patches.

    We can just hope zos will get rhis done before release, but to be honest just remember how long it took them to fix the armorpenbug. Maybe we have to deal with this for a long long time.

    Another sidenote: Rich Lambert mentioned in the last eso live that there wont be drastic changes in the future and that zhey rather do littke fixes over and over. I expect they deal with the game how they dealt qith the nightblade since release. Someday everything is working as intended.

    Edited by actosh on August 17, 2015 10:37AM
  • serjomalekrwb17_ESO
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    Armour is useless.
    Blocking is too expensive.
    Damage shields is the way to go now.

    You too can stand there all day and take no damage.
    Or you can invest in armour, do no damage and melt.
    Or you can invest in block, have no resource, do no damage and melt.

    Anything and everything that empowers, creates a damage shield is where you want to be now.
    Don't forget to grind the CP.
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    LOL really? Damage shields?
    the little shiny bubbles that go boom with 1 Uppercut from my DK?
    good luck mate , roll a sorc , i need more pinatas ......
  • Wing
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    actosh wrote: »
    Well. Not everyone stacking some mitigation crap is automaticly a tank.
    Mist form is bugged.
    Battlespirit still got issues.

    So dont get in here and blame tanks. Blame and mention the abilities, ultimates and passives that do so.
    Like VoB, Mist Form (wich is an escape skill and its fine. Nope im no vampire), SoM, Temp Ult ( all 3of em) and varios Sets.

    All those things are a reason ppl nearly never die since not the skills are the problem, but battlespirit is and the fact that this patch still need a lot of time to fix stuff and get everything to "working as intended".

    Thats the reason i told em to continue the qq is that he is blaming a playstyle in this game and not the real reason why it suxx and he cant kill *** like many others. Besides that, if this was a ragepost made by him or just qq, how about constructive feedback and mentioning the real issue. Maybe i should have given another answer but atm it suxx to see ppl blamin playstyles and not the *** up mechanics that allow to do so ending up in more gamebreaking patches.

    We can just hope zos will get rhis done before release, but to be honest just remember how long it took them to fix the armorpenbug. Maybe we have to deal with this for a long long time.

    Another sidenote: Rich Lambert mentioned in the last eso live that there wont be drastic changes in the future and that zhey rather do littke fixes over and over. I expect they deal with the game how they dealt qith the nightblade since release. Someday everything is working as intended.

    okay, I can see now that you too were thrown off by the title and the lack of specifics as to what the problem was in his post, to be fair from the sounds of it he did not know what the cause of the problem was and was using a generic term for people that are hard to kill, "tanks".

    that said I apologize to you for my tone in response to your post ^_^

    and yes given the choices they have made in this update I reeeeaaaaallllllyyyyyy don't trust ZoS's balance team to be either competent with there supposed "fixes" or deploy them in a timely manner.

    they admitted nirn was over performing and let it persist for months, they knew about the sharpened maul exploits and let it persist for months, etc. etc. etc.

    that is inexcusable behavior.





    Edited by Wing on August 17, 2015 11:11AM
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  • DDuke
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    OP, you are not supposed to say tanks are overpowered (or viable even)! That is a secret, so shhh.

    Quick, make another thread on how they should also be able to regen stamina while blocking because you know, they're so unviable and weak on PTS like these "tanks" keep claiming :D
    Edited by DDuke on August 17, 2015 11:23AM
  • olsborg
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    Its the set that gives the player damage reduction of 35%(!!!) while being cced. That set needs to be brought down to 25% atleast. But there is also an issue with battlespirit damage reduction that makes other mitigation stack with it. Like mistform etc.

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  • Dracane
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    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    Armour is useless.
    Blocking is too expensive.
    Damage shields is the way to go now.

    You too can stand there all day and take no damage.
    Or you can invest in armour, do no damage and melt.
    Or you can invest in block, have no resource, do no damage and melt.

    Anything and everything that empowers, creates a damage shield is where you want to be now.
    Don't forget to grind the CP.

    Another reason why 1,6 should stay. Roll dodge is op in 1.6, permablock is op in 1.6.
    Then all 3 survival mechanic would be equally strong and no need for this annoying qq here.

    You can't balance damage shields. Leave them alone, and people will complain all day long. nerf them too much, and casters are free AP. The only solution is to make all survival mechanics strong enough.
    Edited by Dracane on August 17, 2015 1:01PM
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  • byrom101b16_ESO
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    Wing wrote: »
    actosh wrote: »
    Everybody takes less dmg and maybe dps should adjust. Cruel world now that armor/spellpen is fixed *hahaha*.

    Even light armor got a 100% increase in armor. Even in la u can last long against a lot of enemys as long as u have ressources. Qq a bit more and zos will change pvp.
    All play naked and first hit kills ^^.

    Encountered tough enemys but killed them. Just takes time. Maybe u should adjust. There are enough players that can counter tanks. I guess the qq will still go on ^^ enjoy.

    its funny when you claim its just. . ."qq". . .when its a known fact how many effects are unintentionally stacking to provide full 100% damage mitigation. . .almost makes your opinion worthless.

    "almost"? lol
  • AhPook_Is_Here
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    McSwaggins wrote: »
    Most of the people I come across now are tanks in PTS, and they seem to be able to take way too much damage. I have many fights where I get the person down to around 10% health, throw down my execute and they some how still take and heal through al of the damage. I've even seen a nightblade doing it. Also there's been times where me and my friend will both meteor someone, they dont block it or anything, and some how only takes about half of their health. Is there some damage mitigation bug or exploit people are using?

    Vampires are hard to execute and because ZoS needs to LTP (learn to parentheses) in their calculations multiplicative have an additive function currently.
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