Princess "OP" Asgari | Sorcerer vs Dragonknight Emperor

Garion · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Why do you think he is on a sorc and not his dk? Another Fotm.

Dk is in a sorry state and about to become worse. Look at syphers last video. He is successful because he stays alive until reinforcements come and kills one guy. Lol

Response from Asgari - " HAHA ... So you mean to tell me because you and all the other bads who lose to sorcs and think sorcs are fotm i cant play my sorc that i made on day1 release of the game? The sorc has over 120 /played days on it alone not including the /played time from my other chars. Sypher gave up on magicka DK because he went to the real fotm which was stam nb. I guess you missed all the magicka DK videos i have posted along with sorc videos, i haven't given up on DK and will still continue to be a top DK player for NA. You honestly can't expect a person to not play chars they have had created and put more time into than most casuals in this game with all their chars combined. "

I hope you're not trying to deny that Sorcs are not grossly OP right now. Sure in the hands of a bad player they die easy enough, but in the hands of a good or a great player they are impossible to kill in a 1 v 1 unless there is some lag/bug component involved. Shields right now are just ridiculous. Most of the great sorcs take 3 players to take down with any sort of certainty. I do it with 2 against good ones but the best sorcs manage their stamina perfectly and as long as they can break free you can't burst through their shields and their health faster than they can refresh them.

That's part of the reason I haven't touched my sorc in 3 months. They are so easymode right now it's not even fun and I'm half gimping myself not min/maxing my shield like almost every other sorc out there. With CPs and a properly set up sorc, they're just stupid right now. Any sorc out there who tries to argue otherwise is either deceiving themselves or they just haven't tried facing another good sorc with any other class out there.

Ezareth - stolidly defended sorcs following patch 1.6. Rerolls FOTM NB, starts defending NBs and calling for sorc nerf.

I'm not saying you're wrong - sorcs are very strong right now if played correctly - but it's just funny to have seen the transition!

hammayolettuce · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Why do you think he is on a sorc and not his dk? Another Fotm.

Dk is in a sorry state and about to become worse. Look at syphers last video. He is successful because he stays alive until reinforcements come and kills one guy. Lol

Response from Asgari - " HAHA ... So you mean to tell me because you and all the other bads who lose to sorcs and think sorcs are fotm i cant play my sorc that i made on day1 release of the game? The sorc has over 120 /played days on it alone not including the /played time from my other chars. Sypher gave up on magicka DK because he went to the real fotm which was stam nb. I guess you missed all the magicka DK videos i have posted along with sorc videos, i haven't given up on DK and will still continue to be a top DK player for NA. You honestly can't expect a person to not play chars they have had created and put more time into than most casuals in this game with all their chars combined. "

I hope you're not trying to deny that Sorcs are not grossly OP right now. Sure in the hands of a bad player they die easy enough, but in the hands of a good or a great player they are impossible to kill in a 1 v 1 unless there is some lag/bug component involved. Shields right now are just ridiculous. Most of the great sorcs take 3 players to take down with any sort of certainty. I do it with 2 against good ones but the best sorcs manage their stamina perfectly and as long as they can break free you can't burst through their shields and their health faster than they can refresh them.

That's part of the reason I haven't touched my sorc in 3 months. They are so easymode right now it's not even fun and I'm half gimping myself not min/maxing my shield like almost every other sorc out there. With CPs and a properly set up sorc, they're just stupid right now. Any sorc out there who tries to argue otherwise is either deceiving themselves or they just haven't tried facing another good sorc with any other class out there.

From Asgari - "I was simply laughing that because certain mechanics make one class better than another each patch i cant play whatever class people find "easy mode" or "fotm" even though the char is my original one? I also do not think Sorcerers are easy mode; its harness magicka and healing ward that are the issue. Take those two out of the equation and sorcerers are no better off than any other class. (in 2.1 pts i do not use either of those abilities and do just fine)

How is stamina NB any different? why is it ok for so many to reroll NB's for insane stamina burst or be prepped for 2.1 with magicka NB and everyone has an issue with me on my sorc? I am one the few people who theory crafts my own builds, runs my own cp placement and uses zero exploits. Sure i talk a lot of trash to people, but its a competitive game and its all in good fun.

People complain about my Magicka DK build that I created with Bae and Skaffa and now almost every single DK uses it after skaffa told it to Sypher. Should I not play my DK since the build is too good for 1.6? Everyone said Magicka templar is weak and I made my own build and in /played time of 9 days i went from lvl 1 -v14 and Alliance rank 18 and got Emp with it playing solo and in groups. It is not my fault people cant theory craft their own builds and copy builds posted by others. Hell, I had my v14 martial knowledge back in December before 1.6 was even confirmed in preparation for the chance of soft cap removals. I even used martial knowledge back in 1.3.

People can complain all they want, its an MMO and since its an MMO, the devs each and every major update are going to make one class the "strongest" and one the weakest. Its the nature of the game.

p.s. ... Ezareth, I know we have had our spats in the past but you are one of the few players in this game that actually understand chore mechanics and no offense should be taken from my post".

Ezareth · August 2015

Garion wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Why do you think he is on a sorc and not his dk? Another Fotm.

Dk is in a sorry state and about to become worse. Look at syphers last video. He is successful because he stays alive until reinforcements come and kills one guy. Lol

Response from Asgari - " HAHA ... So you mean to tell me because you and all the other bads who lose to sorcs and think sorcs are fotm i cant play my sorc that i made on day1 release of the game? The sorc has over 120 /played days on it alone not including the /played time from my other chars. Sypher gave up on magicka DK because he went to the real fotm which was stam nb. I guess you missed all the magicka DK videos i have posted along with sorc videos, i haven't given up on DK and will still continue to be a top DK player for NA. You honestly can't expect a person to not play chars they have had created and put more time into than most casuals in this game with all their chars combined. "

I hope you're not trying to deny that Sorcs are not grossly OP right now. Sure in the hands of a bad player they die easy enough, but in the hands of a good or a great player they are impossible to kill in a 1 v 1 unless there is some lag/bug component involved. Shields right now are just ridiculous. Most of the great sorcs take 3 players to take down with any sort of certainty. I do it with 2 against good ones but the best sorcs manage their stamina perfectly and as long as they can break free you can't burst through their shields and their health faster than they can refresh them.

That's part of the reason I haven't touched my sorc in 3 months. They are so easymode right now it's not even fun and I'm half gimping myself not min/maxing my shield like almost every other sorc out there. With CPs and a properly set up sorc, they're just stupid right now. Any sorc out there who tries to argue otherwise is either deceiving themselves or they just haven't tried facing another good sorc with any other class out there.

Ezareth - stolidly defended sorcs following patch 1.6. Rerolls FOTM NB, starts defending NBs and calling for sorc nerf.

I'm not saying you're wrong - sorcs are very strong right now if played correctly - but it's just funny to have seen the transition!

When everyone was sitting at ~70-100 CPs it's wasn't prevalent and I'd put stamina NBs/DKs as equal to sorcs at that level. I was getting killed and actually had to use skill to counter my enemies and versus many plays it was an even fight. Even then however I wasn't min/maxing my shields to be nearly as large as they could be and now at 300-400 CPs there is a much bigger difference once you can stack your shields high enough to no longer need to block/dodge roll which eliminates stamina constraints and allows you to use food over drink which increases the disparity further.

Plus I have to note, my NB is hardly a "FOTM" build since it's my own build that I developed from my own experience I have yet to see any other NB using it that I've encountered. I'm not saying it is the *best* build but it fits my playstyle and I see it as necessary to fight Sorcs since I don't have access to healing from Vigor. I currently *can* be killed 1 v 1, but unless I play offensively and keep eating mines a sorc isn't going to kill me either which is fine by me. They can dawnbreaker/streak/crushing shock/curse their heart out but a sorc can't do enough damage against a permaroll/block build with Absorb magick.

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Why do you think he is on a sorc and not his dk? Another Fotm.

Dk is in a sorry state and about to become worse. Look at syphers last video. He is successful because he stays alive until reinforcements come and kills one guy. Lol

Response from Asgari - " HAHA ... So you mean to tell me because you and all the other bads who lose to sorcs and think sorcs are fotm i cant play my sorc that i made on day1 release of the game? The sorc has over 120 /played days on it alone not including the /played time from my other chars. Sypher gave up on magicka DK because he went to the real fotm which was stam nb. I guess you missed all the magicka DK videos i have posted along with sorc videos, i haven't given up on DK and will still continue to be a top DK player for NA. You honestly can't expect a person to not play chars they have had created and put more time into than most casuals in this game with all their chars combined. "

I hope you're not trying to deny that Sorcs are not grossly OP right now. Sure in the hands of a bad player they die easy enough, but in the hands of a good or a great player they are impossible to kill in a 1 v 1 unless there is some lag/bug component involved. Shields right now are just ridiculous. Most of the great sorcs take 3 players to take down with any sort of certainty. I do it with 2 against good ones but the best sorcs manage their stamina perfectly and as long as they can break free you can't burst through their shields and their health faster than they can refresh them.

That's part of the reason I haven't touched my sorc in 3 months. They are so easymode right now it's not even fun and I'm half gimping myself not min/maxing my shield like almost every other sorc out there. With CPs and a properly set up sorc, they're just stupid right now. Any sorc out there who tries to argue otherwise is either deceiving themselves or they just haven't tried facing another good sorc with any other class out there.

From Asgari - "I was simply laughing that because certain mechanics make one class better than another each patch i cant play whatever class people find "easy mode" or "fotm" even though the char is my original one? I also do not think Sorcerers are easy mode; its harness magicka and healing ward that are the issue. Take those two out of the equation and sorcerers are no better off than any other class. (in 2.1 pts i do not use either of those abilities and do just fine)

How is stamina NB any different? why is it ok for so many to reroll NB's for insane stamina burst or be prepped for 2.1 with magicka NB and everyone has an issue with me on my sorc? I am one the few people who theory crafts my own builds, runs my own cp placement and uses zero exploits. Sure i talk a lot of trash to people, but its a competitive game and its all in good fun.

People complain about my Magicka DK build that I created with Bae and Skaffa and now almost every single DK uses it after skaffa told it to Sypher. Should I not play my DK since the build is too good for 1.6? Everyone said Magicka templar is weak and I made my own build and in /played time of 9 days i went from lvl 1 -v14 and Alliance rank 18 and got Emp with it playing solo and in groups. It is not my fault people cant theory craft their own builds and copy builds posted by others. Hell, I had my v14 martial knowledge back in December before 1.6 was even confirmed in preparation for the chance of soft cap removals. I even used martial knowledge back in 1.3.

People can complain all they want, its an MMO and since its an MMO, the devs each and every major update are going to make one class the "strongest" and one the weakest. Its the nature of the game.

p.s. ... Ezareth, I know we have had our spats in the past but you are one of the few players in this game that actually understand chore mechanics and no offense should be taken from my post".

No offense taken and no was intended on my part either. I don't take issue with anything you've done or said here and you're right on pretty much all of it. I also hate when people tell you that you're FOTM just because so many others are. I've been told that I was "doing it wrong" so many times by so many players only to be right in the end. That's part of why I play my Nightblade without stealth (except sometimes with an opener when I'm 1vXing) or Dark Cloak. It's also why I use wrecking blow and crit-charge instead of Ambush and Surprise attack. There are things about the mechanics of those abilities that I just can't live with for my own reasons.

I've been wrong on things as well. It was only within the past few days that I realized the stat point gain of CPs actually scales with food, attributes and gear bonuses which until then I didn't know and that changes quite a few equations for me.

The best part about this game is that if you're intelligent and you put in time to learn core mechanics and how they function you can put together almost any build that is relatively unique and be successful with it and the game meta changes with every major patch so there is always something new to learn.

TBois · August 2015

Shhh ezareth, don't tell all the sorcs that their crystal frags and overload light attacks aren't working to their benefit even if the projectiles aren't reflected back at them. #absorbmagickop

Dreyloch · August 2015

Score one for the blue. Good on ya Princess!

manny254 · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Why do you think he is on a sorc and not his dk? Another Fotm.

Dk is in a sorry state and about to become worse. Look at syphers last video. He is successful because he stays alive until reinforcements come and kills one guy. Lol

Response from Asgari - " HAHA ... So you mean to tell me because you and all the other bads who lose to sorcs and think sorcs are fotm i cant play my sorc that i made on day1 release of the game? The sorc has over 120 /played days on it alone not including the /played time from my other chars. Sypher gave up on magicka DK because he went to the real fotm which was stam nb. I guess you missed all the magicka DK videos i have posted along with sorc videos, i haven't given up on DK and will still continue to be a top DK player for NA. You honestly can't expect a person to not play chars they have had created and put more time into than most casuals in this game with all their chars combined. "

I hope you're not trying to deny that Sorcs are not grossly OP right now. Sure in the hands of a bad player they die easy enough, but in the hands of a good or a great player they are impossible to kill in a 1 v 1 unless there is some lag/bug component involved. Shields right now are just ridiculous. Most of the great sorcs take 3 players to take down with any sort of certainty. I do it with 2 against good ones but the best sorcs manage their stamina perfectly and as long as they can break free you can't burst through their shields and their health faster than they can refresh them.

That's part of the reason I haven't touched my sorc in 3 months. They are so easymode right now it's not even fun and I'm half gimping myself not min/maxing my shield like almost every other sorc out there. With CPs and a properly set up sorc, they're just stupid right now. Any sorc out there who tries to argue otherwise is either deceiving themselves or they just haven't tried facing another good sorc with any other class out there.

Someone give this man a medal.

frozywozy · August 2015

I just have one thing to say.. learn to proximity detonation + charge + leap

A magicka DK will never go through hardened ward + healing ward without prox

Darnathian · August 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

I just have one thing to say.. learn to proximity detonation + charge + leap

A magicka DK will never go through hardened ward + healing ward without prox

So you need to use an ultimate to get through someone's shields? That's balance there for you. If it as barrier then sure. Not the spammable shields that make them gods.

ToRelax · August 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I just have one thing to say.. learn to proximity detonation + charge + leap

A magicka DK will never go through hardened ward + healing ward without prox

So you need to use an ultimate to get through someone's shields? That's balance there for you. If it as barrier then sure. Not the spammable shields that make them gods.

And I need to use an ultimate to kill any decent player. What a stupid argument.

Darnathian · August 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I just have one thing to say.. learn to proximity detonation + charge + leap

A magicka DK will never go through hardened ward + healing ward without prox

So you need to use an ultimate to get through someone's shields? That's balance there for you. If it as barrier then sure. Not the spammable shields that make them gods.

And I need to use an ultimate to kill any decent player. What a stupid argument.

Lol. L2R (learn to read). I said to even get through the shields. Then they just refresh with two or three buttons.

GRxKnight · August 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I just have one thing to say.. learn to proximity detonation + charge + leap

A magicka DK will never go through hardened ward + healing ward without prox

So you need to use an ultimate to get through someone's shields? That's balance there for you. If it as barrier then sure. Not the spammable shields that make them gods.

An ultimate to go through at most 2 shields since harness won't block leap (least i think it won't)...can we stop with the nerf sorc shield now please

Rylana · August 2015

GRxKnight wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I just have one thing to say.. learn to proximity detonation + charge + leap

A magicka DK will never go through hardened ward + healing ward without prox

So you need to use an ultimate to get through someone's shields? That's balance there for you. If it as barrier then sure. Not the spammable shields that make them gods.

An ultimate to go through at most 2 shields since harness won't block leap (least i think it won't)...can we stop with the nerf sorc shield now please

I remember when you were all gung-*** about nerfing sorcs before you rolled one

frozywozy · August 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I just have one thing to say.. learn to proximity detonation + charge + leap

A magicka DK will never go through hardened ward + healing ward without prox

So you need to use an ultimate to get through someone's shields? That's balance there for you. If it as barrier then sure. Not the spammable shields that make them gods.

Did I say it was balanced to do such a thing? I don't recall. I said it was needed.

ToRelax · August 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I just have one thing to say.. learn to proximity detonation + charge + leap

A magicka DK will never go through hardened ward + healing ward without prox

So you need to use an ultimate to get through someone's shields? That's balance there for you. If it as barrier then sure. Not the spammable shields that make them gods.

And I need to use an ultimate to kill any decent player. What a stupid argument.

Lol. L2R (learn to read). I said to even get through the shields. Then they just refresh with two or three buttons.

I guess comprehension is not your strenght, yes?
It doesn't matter how they are able to survive anything you throw at them if they know what they are doing, and they can.

Zuvanov · August 2015

Don't care what anyone thinks.. Mitra is trash & has always been trash, same as most of Tertiary Meat who live on their own world on whichever server they can make their buff. Embarrassing to say the least. I really enjoyed the spanking Asgari gave him though made me giggle.

Ernest145 · August 2015

Makes me laugh when sorcs complain saying healing ward and harness majicka are the problem but it's not a problem when any other class uses them together. Sure healing ward is pretty OP but when any other class uses it it is a bit annoying when they use it at low health but its not hard to get through or weaken it even with harness majicka on and when a templar uses blazing shield and dk igneous. I have a v14 sorc and it is complete easy mode compared to any other class and any sorc that doesn't accept that reality is just try to defend a broken class to keep getting easy kills. I literally stacked my max majicka up to 40k+ non exploiting and didn't need much regen or spell power and i was hitting like a truck and incredibly tanky. I know Asgari has skill and most fotm sorcs don't but seriously when someone with half a brain plays this class they can't do good. Moral of the story conjured ward is broken, healing ward a bit op, and harness majicka is fine.

AudioVortex · August 2015

Great video to watch. Kinda makes me want to jump onto a sorc now and give it a whirl! But as he states, I can copy builds all day but never be him! Damn.

(Currently copying a DK)

hammayolettuce · August 2015

AudioVortex wrote: »

Great video to watch. Kinda makes me want to jump onto a sorc now and give it a whirl! But as he states, I can copy builds all day but never be him! Damn.

(Currently copying a DK)

I think the point Asgari was trying to make was that switching every major update to a whatever is considered the "fotm" or copying certain players builds wont make you a better player. What makes you a better player is sticking with w.e. class suites your play style the most and then mastering it, even if it isn't as powerful as others.

Ezareth · August 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

AudioVortex wrote: »

Great video to watch. Kinda makes me want to jump onto a sorc now and give it a whirl! But as he states, I can copy builds all day but never be him! Damn.

(Currently copying a DK)

I think the point Asgari was trying to make was that switching every major update to a whatever is considered the "fotm" or copying certain players builds wont make you a better player. What makes you a better player is sticking with w.e. class suites your play style the most and then mastering it, even if it isn't as powerful as others.

I know in Mitra's case he genuinely never liked his NB which is why he switched to DK and why I had to laugh at the text in that video because it makes zero sense to anyone who knows him. I think he does a lot better as a DK and having fought him with my NB recently I can say he's as beast as any other DK out there that I've fought.

And while we're on the subject of FOTM....I don't recall seeing Asgari using Dawnbreaker of Smiting in any of his prior sorc videos :P~

hammayolettuce · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

AudioVortex wrote: »

Great video to watch. Kinda makes me want to jump onto a sorc now and give it a whirl! But as he states, I can copy builds all day but never be him! Damn.

(Currently copying a DK)

I think the point Asgari was trying to make was that switching every major update to a whatever is considered the "fotm" or copying certain players builds wont make you a better player. What makes you a better player is sticking with w.e. class suites your play style the most and then mastering it, even if it isn't as powerful as others.

I know in Mitra's case he genuinely never liked his NB which is why he switched to DK and why I had to laugh at the text in that video because it makes zero sense to anyone who knows him. I think he does a lot better as a DK and having fought him with my NB recently I can say he's as beast as any other DK out there that I've fought.

And while we're on the subject of FOTM....I don't recall seeing Asgari using Dawnbreaker of Smiting in any of his prior sorc videos :P~

Wasn't referring to Mitra in the video. Prior to this Asgari had no idea who Mitra was or even existed in the real of ESO. What Asgari was referring too was all of the people who copy "fotm" builds and do rerolls to be like twitch stars which he finds hilarious because they are the ones who usually end up giving him the most AP and make it into videos.

Psilent · August 2015

Mitra was dethroned an hour or so ago; Asgari, you should fight him again, even playing field this time.

Don't know why, but I find a lot of players tougher when they're not Emperor compared to when they are, despite the increased stats. Wonder if it's because everyone fights them more strategically or if the emperor themselves get over confident due to the increased stats.

Ezareth · August 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

AudioVortex wrote: »

Great video to watch. Kinda makes me want to jump onto a sorc now and give it a whirl! But as he states, I can copy builds all day but never be him! Damn.

(Currently copying a DK)

I think the point Asgari was trying to make was that switching every major update to a whatever is considered the "fotm" or copying certain players builds wont make you a better player. What makes you a better player is sticking with w.e. class suites your play style the most and then mastering it, even if it isn't as powerful as others.

I know in Mitra's case he genuinely never liked his NB which is why he switched to DK and why I had to laugh at the text in that video because it makes zero sense to anyone who knows him. I think he does a lot better as a DK and having fought him with my NB recently I can say he's as beast as any other DK out there that I've fought.

And while we're on the subject of FOTM....I don't recall seeing Asgari using Dawnbreaker of Smiting in any of his prior sorc videos :P~

Wasn't referring to Mitra in the video. Prior to this Asgari had no idea who Mitra was or even existed in the real of ESO. What Asgari was referring too was all of the people who copy "fotm" builds and do rerolls to be like twitch stars which he finds hilarious because they are the ones who usually end up giving him the most AP and make it into videos.

Ahh, I haven't really group with Mitra and TM in some time as I've moved on from that sort of playstyle so I wasn't sure if there was some sort of history between you two or not that developed since I was running with them. Mitra's a pretty nice dude and pretty down to earth as well. I don't think he has it in him to be a Twitch cam-bag.