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Console: Should text chat be implemented with the IC patch?
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KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭NoKiraTsukasa wrote: »i really dont understand why this was not implemented at launch. do these gaming companies have a bunch of 2 year olds working for them .maybe all mmo from now on should just have text chat by default. i mean hey even neverwinter has it for crying out loud even non mmo games have them.
It's possible that text chat doesn't work properly on the console versions. I mean, just look at the mail system. That's a rudimentary text chat and it hardly ever works properly. You can't just shoehorn stuff into a game and be done with it, game making doesn't work that way.
no excuse. they should have been working on this when they were still fine tuning the game. it couldnt have been that hard. they could have found way to do it. if they hadnt put in the mail system maybe text chat would have been here instead
As I explained on the last page, this was a request that Bioware got for Mass Effect 3's multiplayer and they worked on trying to get it into the game. The end result was that the game's engine could not handle text chat, not even on PC.
Get over your self entitlement. Zenimax isn't stupid. They aren't going to ruin their game just because a bunch of misfits demand text chat that isn't going to work.0 -
sirhctpac✭✭✭YesI am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
I'll tell you what it really is and watch you twist it around to fit your agenda: the poll represents those who care enough about the game to try to get it fixed before quitting. Are you still in any of the 500 member trading guilds that you joined on launch day? If so, you know that seeing 30 of those 500 online is more than the norm. I looked through the rosters of both such guilds I belong to earlier to try to get a wayshrine... 6 in one, 11 in the other.
I was just talking to a guild leader on PM as I'm interested in merging my small guild into his. He actually brought up the fact that he's having a problem kicking those who quit cause there's no 'last played' info on the roster.
I have a character in the second Daggerfall Caldwell's silver zone, Grahtwood and it's on the brink of desertion.
Like I said: I'm dumbfounded at that argument.
ZOS, I humbly beg you to take a look at the number of console accounts that haven't logged on in weeks/months and then consider the sheer volume of forum activity on this topic and the overwhelming player opinion represented in this poll. We consolers are desperately hoping that you won't allow this to become a single payer TES in truth.Edited by sirhctpac on August 15, 2015 11:54AM0 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭NoI am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
Why? People that use the forums are a vocal minority. The number of people that don't post on the forums vastly outnumber the people that do. That's how it is with EVERY game's forums.0 -
sirhctpac✭✭✭YesKiraTsukasa wrote: »I am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
Why? People that use the forums are a vocal minority. The number of people that don't post on the forums vastly outnumber the people that do. That's how it is with EVERY game's forums.
Did you even bother to read the rest of my post? THEY'RE QUITTING!1 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭NoKiraTsukasa wrote: »I am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
Why? People that use the forums are a vocal minority. The number of people that don't post on the forums vastly outnumber the people that do. That's how it is with EVERY game's forums.
Did you even bother to read the rest of my post? THEY'RE QUITTING!
If they want to quit over a silly thing like text chat, they have no business playing the game in the first place.
The poll represents the opinions of, at the time of this post, 581 people out of thousands that play the game. You are a vast minority.0 -
Geemarc✭✭✭YesKiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »I am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
Why? People that use the forums are a vocal minority. The number of people that don't post on the forums vastly outnumber the people that do. That's how it is with EVERY game's forums.
Did you even bother to read the rest of my post? THEY'RE QUITTING!
If they want to quit over a silly thing like text chat, they have no business playing the game in the first place.
The poll represents the opinions of, at the time of this post, 581 people out of thousands that play the game. You are a vast minority.
Once again please stop trying to speak for the people that haven't voted and don't use the forums. You have no idea how they would vote. All you can say for sure is of the people that visit the forums the vast majority want text chat.1 -
sirhctpac✭✭✭YesKiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »I am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
Why? People that use the forums are a vocal minority. The number of people that don't post on the forums vastly outnumber the people that do. That's how it is with EVERY game's forums.
Did you even bother to read the rest of my post? THEY'RE QUITTING!
If they want to quit over a silly thing like text chat, they have no business playing the game in the first place.
The poll represents the opinions of, at the time of this post, 581 people out of thousands that play the game. You are a vast minority.
"SILLY thing like that"
I genuinely tried to find an explanation for that comment other than you've never played an MMO before. I failed.
Edit: a robust, all-encompassing communication system is the single most important component of an MMO, bar none.
Edited by sirhctpac on August 15, 2015 11:49AM2 -
Kleptobrainiac✭✭✭NoKiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »I am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
Why? People that use the forums are a vocal minority. The number of people that don't post on the forums vastly outnumber the people that do. That's how it is with EVERY game's forums.
Did you even bother to read the rest of my post? THEY'RE QUITTING!
If they want to quit over a silly thing like text chat, they have no business playing the game in the first place.
The poll represents the opinions of, at the time of this post, 581 people out of thousands that play the game. You are a vast minority.
Once again please stop trying to speak for the people that haven't voted and don't use the forums. You have no idea how they would vote. All you can say for sure is of the people that visit the forums the vast majority want text chat.
You can't even say that. The poll is not mandatory. There are plenty of people that visit the forums & have an opinion that refuse to participate in threads like these or who never visit general chat, spending time in other parts of the forums where more constructive discussions take place.
The poll is meaningless. You've lost the fight. Deal with it in a healthier way. That would be my recommendation.The artist formerly known as StaticWax.0 -
AnthrophobicSoul ShrivenYesI was actually surprised to see no text chat in ESO for console when I first logged in. The vocal chat system has so many flaws in the long run. Having to be in a certain range of a player in order to hear them well, searching for a specific role for dungeons or trials is difficult due to this, and not to mention the little kids yelling over the headset.
Text chat would be a easy add to the game.
Trade channel - Goes across all major cities
Guild channel - For guild members. Of course one for each guild, but you can only be in one at a time. This could even be a feature that has to be bought for the guild, or once you hit a certain amount of members.
Group channel
Zone channel/Area channel
Group Finder Channel - For finding a group for anything you desire.
Could easily add in a spam feature to stop people from spamming the chat as well. I could have fleshed this out more and gave more detail, but you all get the idea.
*Also, I shouldn't have to block a person on PSN just to mute them in game. Text chat is a necessity.PS4 - NA | | High Elf - DPS Sorcerer1 -
sirhctpac✭✭✭YesKleptobrainiac wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »I am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
Why? People that use the forums are a vocal minority. The number of people that don't post on the forums vastly outnumber the people that do. That's how it is with EVERY game's forums.
Did you even bother to read the rest of my post? THEY'RE QUITTING!
If they want to quit over a silly thing like text chat, they have no business playing the game in the first place.
The poll represents the opinions of, at the time of this post, 581 people out of thousands that play the game. You are a vast minority.
Once again please stop trying to speak for the people that haven't voted and don't use the forums. You have no idea how they would vote. All you can say for sure is of the people that visit the forums the vast majority want text chat.
You can't even say that. The poll is not mandatory. There are plenty of people that visit the forums & have an opinion that refuse to participate in threads like these or who never visit general chat, spending time in other parts of the forums where more constructive discussions take place.
The poll is meaningless. You've lost the fight. Deal with it in a healthier way. That would be my recommendation.
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Azurulia✭✭✭YesMy only question is, why is this even a question at all?
It should already be there.Criminal Scum:
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Kleptobrainiac✭✭✭NoAnthrophobic wrote: »*Also, I shouldn't have to block a person on PSN just to mute them in game. Text chat is a necessity.
You don't have to. You can block/mute them just in-game through the interface. I'm not sure why ppl keep saying they can't....The artist formerly known as StaticWax.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoKiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »I am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
Why? People that use the forums are a vocal minority. The number of people that don't post on the forums vastly outnumber the people that do. That's how it is with EVERY game's forums.
Did you even bother to read the rest of my post? THEY'RE QUITTING!
If they want to quit over a silly thing like text chat, they have no business playing the game in the first place.
The poll represents the opinions of, at the time of this post, 581 people out of thousands that play the game. You are a vast minority.
Once again please stop trying to speak for the people that haven't voted and don't use the forums. You have no idea how they would vote. All you can say for sure is of the people that visit the forums the vast majority want text chat.
I'm going to jump in here....
The poll and the vocal group on the forums doesn't represent everyone and is a small group all together.
In the past and again yesterday the ZOS team have shared how they utilize the forums.
Their mindset is when there's a problem ppl voice it on this forums as well as other forums. They read more than just this forum. When ppl don't have an issue they rarely post about it, they go play.
500ppl is such a small number in the grand scheme of active PS4 and Xbox One players that according to ZOS isn't even the example made yesterday in reference to a "sweet spot".
The sweet spot is where 50% like something and 50% don't like something.
The game is still growing on consoles so that could mean that there are more who like what exists vs those who don't like what exists.
Consider a lot of ppl that vote yes to text chat also want to continue using voice chat.
Within the 500 votes there is even a much smaller group who will quit if it's not imemented. Less than 100 ppl so as of now ZOS has no new information to share.
I've tried to steer you guys away from the same ol same ol....but so many of you insist on arguing and fighting for a response.
Well yesterday you all got a response doing it your way. Nothing is going to change. The group who said no is still with the company so just because part of the leadership left don't feel that this is going to now change as those DeVs still remain who shared their decisions with us on prior ESO lives.
Please stop fighting ppl who are joining the discussion who do not agree with you because they are offering other points of view and good points of view that could help you guys land on some ideas that could be implemented.
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✭✭✭✭✭YesI'll vote yes, simply so I don't have to see any more of these whining threads from console users spamming the forum about lack of text chat. If you want to type, sell your console and buy a PC. You'll thank me later. Before anyone calls me a "fanboy" again, let me just say I used to own an Xbox. I sold it, along with all my games and accessories, and bought a decent gaming laptop. Totally worth it. Games are generally cheaper on PC, you get access to addons, text chat, you can still voice chat using Skype, TS, mumble with only the people you want to talk with (not 16 year old kids screaming into the microphone), the UI is better. You just get an all round pleasant experience.
Having common sense, if I'm unhappy about something, I change it as soon as possible instead of moaning. Life is too short for that. Why not enjoy your gaming now instead of wasting time complaining about things that are probably never going to happen?
Sincerely,
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AnthrophobicSoul ShrivenYesKleptobrainiac wrote: »Anthrophobic wrote: »*Also, I shouldn't have to block a person on PSN just to mute them in game. Text chat is a necessity.
You don't have to. You can block/mute them just in-game through the interface. I'm not sure why ppl keep saying they can't....
Care to explain where this feature would be? I have searched high and low for it, the only option I have found is going in to the participant list for people in the voice channel I am in and blocking them. Which the end result would be blocking them on PSN to mute them because it opens their profile on PSN.
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KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭NoKiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »I am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
Why? People that use the forums are a vocal minority. The number of people that don't post on the forums vastly outnumber the people that do. That's how it is with EVERY game's forums.
Did you even bother to read the rest of my post? THEY'RE QUITTING!
If they want to quit over a silly thing like text chat, they have no business playing the game in the first place.
The poll represents the opinions of, at the time of this post, 581 people out of thousands that play the game. You are a vast minority.
Once again please stop trying to speak for the people that haven't voted and don't use the forums. You have no idea how they would vote. All you can say for sure is of the people that visit the forums the vast majority want text chat.
A vast majority of A MINORITY. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize that a majority of PLAYERS don't want or don't care about text chat, or they'd be here asking for it as well. When you can produce a majority of the ENTIRE playerbase on your side, then we'll talk. Until then, deal with the fact that you have inferior numbers and get over it. Or you could always quit the game if you're so dissatisfied with it.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoAnthrophobic wrote: »Kleptobrainiac wrote: »Anthrophobic wrote: »*Also, I shouldn't have to block a person on PSN just to mute them in game. Text chat is a necessity.
You don't have to. You can block/mute them just in-game through the interface. I'm not sure why ppl keep saying they can't....
Care to explain where this feature would be? I have searched high and low for it, the only option I have found is going in to the participant list for people in the voice channel I am in and blocking them. Which the end result would be blocking them on PSN to mute them because it opens their profile on PSN.
You guys should have a mute in chat option on PSN as we do on Xbox live.
Open profile and mute in chat. Takes 2 secs. The quickest way is to hit menu, triangle and the right bumper to scroll to recent interactions, select the user and bam.
Then back to gaming. If they are irritating in this game the same applies outside and this way you've muted the user vs a specific character-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭NoCheeseDivinity wrote: »I'll vote yes, simply so I don't have to see any more of these whining threads from console users spamming the forum about lack of text chat. If you want to type, sell your console and buy a PC. You'll thank me later. Before anyone calls me a "fanboy" again, let me just say I used to own an Xbox. I sold it, along with all my games and accessories, and bought a decent gaming laptop. Totally worth it. Games are generally cheaper on PC, you get access to addons, text chat, you can still voice chat using Skype, TS, mumble with only the people you want to talk with (not 16 year old kids screaming into the microphone), the UI is better. You just get an all round pleasant experience.
Having common sense, if I'm unhappy about something, I change it as soon as possible instead of moaning. Life is too short for that. Why not enjoy your gaming now instead of wasting time complaining about things that are probably never going to happen?
Sincerely,
A happy ex-console gamer
Just gonna depost your comment again...-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes"KiraTsukasa wrote: »You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize that a majority of PLAYERS don't want or don't care about text chat, or they'd be here asking for it as well.
You're right. I only voted yes so they'd shut up about it. I wonder how many others did the same as meEdited by Alucardo on August 15, 2015 12:03PM1 -
sirhctpac✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »I am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
Why? People that use the forums are a vocal minority. The number of people that don't post on the forums vastly outnumber the people that do. That's how it is with EVERY game's forums.
Did you even bother to read the rest of my post? THEY'RE QUITTING!
If they want to quit over a silly thing like text chat, they have no business playing the game in the first place.
The poll represents the opinions of, at the time of this post, 581 people out of thousands that play the game. You are a vast minority.
Once again please stop trying to speak for the people that haven't voted and don't use the forums. You have no idea how they would vote. All you can say for sure is of the people that visit the forums the vast majority want text chat.
I'm going to jump in here....
The poll and the vocal group on the forums doesn't represent everyone and is a small group all together.
In the past and again yesterday the ZOS team have shared how they utilize the forums.
Their mindset is when there's a problem ppl voice it on this forums as well as other forums. They read more than just this forum. When ppl don't have an issue they rarely post about it, they go play.
500ppl is such a small number in the grand scheme of active PS4 and Xbox One players that according to ZOS isn't even the example made yesterday in reference to a "sweet spot".
The sweet spot is where 50% like something and 50% don't like something.
The game is still growing on consoles so that could mean that there are more who like what exists vs those who don't like what exists.
Consider a lot of ppl that vote yes to text chat also want to continue using voice chat.
Within the 500 votes there is even a much smaller group who will quit if it's not imemented. Less than 100 ppl so as of now ZOS has no new information to share.
I've tried to steer you guys away from the same ol same ol....but so many of you insist on arguing and fighting for a response.
Well yesterday you all got a response doing it your way. Nothing is going to change. The group who said no is still with the company so just because part of the leadership left don't feel that this is going to now change as those DeVs still remain who shared their decisions with us on prior ESO lives.
Please stop fighting ppl who are joining the discussion who do not agree with you because they are offering other points of view and good points of view that could help you guys land on some ideas that could be implemented.CheeseDivinity wrote: »"KiraTsukasa wrote: »You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize that a majority of PLAYERS don't want or don't care about text chat, or they'd be here asking for it as well.
You're right. I only voted yes so they'd shut up about it. I wonder how many others did the same as me
Now I'm getting frustrated. I explain to you guys the substantive reasons why this is such a huge problem, debunk your bashing of my poll; non-forumers vote with /quit, ALL elections largely consist of those who care about the issue(s) and you simply ignore me and try to argue against less fleshed-out posts.
So let's put our cards on the table. Are you antis a) at end-game? b) are you working on your undaunted/alliance ranks? c)basically, are you playing this game as an MMO?
If not, that's totally fine, but stop trying to deny those of us who want to play this game to it's fullest the tools we need to do so just so you don't have to go into the options menu and turn off a small on-screen box or see an extra menu tab labeled text chat(THE HORROR!!)
Edited by sirhctpac on August 15, 2015 12:29PM0 -
Azurulia✭✭✭YesCheeseDivinity wrote: »"KiraTsukasa wrote: »You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize that a majority of PLAYERS don't want or don't care about text chat, or they'd be here asking for it as well.
You're right. I only voted yes so they'd shut up about it. I wonder how many others did the same as me
I play PC, so this doesn't effect me. I simply cannot imagine playign the game without text chat.
...that and to shut them up, yes.
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mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »I am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
Why? People that use the forums are a vocal minority. The number of people that don't post on the forums vastly outnumber the people that do. That's how it is with EVERY game's forums.
Did you even bother to read the rest of my post? THEY'RE QUITTING!
If they want to quit over a silly thing like text chat, they have no business playing the game in the first place.
The poll represents the opinions of, at the time of this post, 581 people out of thousands that play the game. You are a vast minority.
Once again please stop trying to speak for the people that haven't voted and don't use the forums. You have no idea how they would vote. All you can say for sure is of the people that visit the forums the vast majority want text chat.
I'm going to jump in here....
The poll and the vocal group on the forums doesn't represent everyone and is a small group all together.
In the past and again yesterday the ZOS team have shared how they utilize the forums.
Their mindset is when there's a problem ppl voice it on this forums as well as other forums. They read more than just this forum. When ppl don't have an issue they rarely post about it, they go play.
500ppl is such a small number in the grand scheme of active PS4 and Xbox One players that according to ZOS isn't even the example made yesterday in reference to a "sweet spot".
The sweet spot is where 50% like something and 50% don't like something.
The game is still growing on consoles so that could mean that there are more who like what exists vs those who don't like what exists.
Consider a lot of ppl that vote yes to text chat also want to continue using voice chat.
Within the 500 votes there is even a much smaller group who will quit if it's not imemented. Less than 100 ppl so as of now ZOS has no new information to share.
I've tried to steer you guys away from the same ol same ol....but so many of you insist on arguing and fighting for a response.
Well yesterday you all got a response doing it your way. Nothing is going to change. The group who said no is still with the company so just because part of the leadership left don't feel that this is going to now change as those DeVs still remain who shared their decisions with us on prior ESO lives.
Please stop fighting ppl who are joining the discussion who do not agree with you because they are offering other points of view and good points of view that could help you guys land on some ideas that could be implemented.CheeseDivinity wrote: »"KiraTsukasa wrote: »You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize that a majority of PLAYERS don't want or don't care about text chat, or they'd be here asking for it as well.
You're right. I only voted yes so they'd shut up about it. I wonder how many others did the same as me
Now I'm getting frustrated. I explain to you guys the substantive reasons why this is such a huge problem, debunk your bashing of my poll; non-forumers vote with /quit, ALL elections largely consist of those who care about the issue(s) and you simply ignore me and try to argue against less fleshed-out posts.
So let's put our cards on the table. Are you antis a) at end-game? b) are you working on your undaunted/alliance ranks? c)basically, are you playing this game as an MMO?
If not, that's totally fine, but stop trying to deny those of us who want to play this game to it's fullest the tools we need to do so just so you don't have to go into the options menu and turn off a small on-screen box or see an extra menu tab labeled text chat(THE HORROR!!)
I'm A, B and C on all of this and 100 per cent with you mate. As for everyone else saying "we just voted yes to shut them up"... Grow up and take responsibility for your choices and your votes!! If you voted yes you meant it. Don't go change your mind later just to look big infront of the forum veterans. Be strong men and women and stick to your guns instead of being a fence sitter.
if someone decides to create a poll and that poll gains major traction don't get all jealous and petty just because you have posted polls and nothing but crickets replied (I may be wrong but that, from an outsiders perspective is exactly how it looks). I could also swear on my life with full confidence that if the shoe were on the other foot and the people trying to defame this poll's legitimacy were on the winning side you'd all be saying this poll was gospel (don't lie you know you would). Provide feedback on the poll's topic... Not on the poll and its participants.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoIf ZOS choose not to implement this feature, perhaps a community solution could be worked out? A centralised chat server with various channels for consoles/alliances/zones would certainly be preferable to the PS4 messaging system for me at least.
Individual players and groups may already use third-party text communication methods, but a centralised place would be nice, and while it would never be as accessible as built-in text chat, it should offer most of the same benefits as a global/zone chat, if only on a smaller scale.
What about the PlayStation app?
It allows messaging and long running conversations amongst players using text. Plus its faster than in game messaging.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »I am honestly in disbelief that I'm still seeing the "this poll is a niche sampling" argument. Utterly astonished.
Why? People that use the forums are a vocal minority. The number of people that don't post on the forums vastly outnumber the people that do. That's how it is with EVERY game's forums.
Did you even bother to read the rest of my post? THEY'RE QUITTING!
If they want to quit over a silly thing like text chat, they have no business playing the game in the first place.
The poll represents the opinions of, at the time of this post, 581 people out of thousands that play the game. You are a vast minority.
Once again please stop trying to speak for the people that haven't voted and don't use the forums. You have no idea how they would vote. All you can say for sure is of the people that visit the forums the vast majority want text chat.
I'm going to jump in here....
The poll and the vocal group on the forums doesn't represent everyone and is a small group all together.
In the past and again yesterday the ZOS team have shared how they utilize the forums.
Their mindset is when there's a problem ppl voice it on this forums as well as other forums. They read more than just this forum. When ppl don't have an issue they rarely post about it, they go play.
500ppl is such a small number in the grand scheme of active PS4 and Xbox One players that according to ZOS isn't even the example made yesterday in reference to a "sweet spot".
The sweet spot is where 50% like something and 50% don't like something.
The game is still growing on consoles so that could mean that there are more who like what exists vs those who don't like what exists.
Consider a lot of ppl that vote yes to text chat also want to continue using voice chat.
Within the 500 votes there is even a much smaller group who will quit if it's not imemented. Less than 100 ppl so as of now ZOS has no new information to share.
I've tried to steer you guys away from the same ol same ol....but so many of you insist on arguing and fighting for a response.
Well yesterday you all got a response doing it your way. Nothing is going to change. The group who said no is still with the company so just because part of the leadership left don't feel that this is going to now change as those DeVs still remain who shared their decisions with us on prior ESO lives.
Please stop fighting ppl who are joining the discussion who do not agree with you because they are offering other points of view and good points of view that could help you guys land on some ideas that could be implemented.CheeseDivinity wrote: »"KiraTsukasa wrote: »You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize that a majority of PLAYERS don't want or don't care about text chat, or they'd be here asking for it as well.
You're right. I only voted yes so they'd shut up about it. I wonder how many others did the same as me
Now I'm getting frustrated. I explain to you guys the substantive reasons why this is such a huge problem, debunk your bashing of my poll; non-forumers vote with /quit, ALL elections largely consist of those who care about the issue(s) and you simply ignore me and try to argue against less fleshed-out posts.
So let's put our cards on the table. Are you antis a) at end-game? b) are you working on your undaunted/alliance ranks? c)basically, are you playing this game as an MMO?
If not, that's totally fine, but stop trying to deny those of us who want to play this game to it's fullest the tools we need to do so just so you don't have to go into the options menu and turn off a small on-screen box or see an extra menu tab labeled text chat(THE HORROR!!)
I'm playing the game as TESO
I don't buy games to bring a genre mindset over. The games design is what I'm playing as intended even when I was on PC.
Endgame. Yes I do DSA and soon to start trials with another guild.
Toons range from lvl 41- VR11
The problems that you're having are specifically because you refuse to let go of MMO= XYZ in my head.
This is a great game but it also differs drastically from a traditional MMO. Treat it as such-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoIt makes no sense to have anything different from what pc has. We have enough proof from other games that have successfully pulled of a text chat like that on consoles, so why would eso on the Consoles need anything different?
It makes zero sense.
Yeah because the input and hardware are exactly the same, right.
Also the target audience is exactly as commented to gaming as that guy who spent 2,000$ for a gaming computer her built from the ground up.
Different audiences, different style.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »It makes no sense to have anything different from what pc has. We have enough proof from other games that have successfully pulled of a text chat like that on consoles, so why would eso on the Consoles need anything different?
It makes zero sense.
What are you talking about....it makes 100% sense for consoles games to differ from PC just based on the peripherals alone
Cmon
Why is that? It's not like no keyboards can be used along with XboX and PS and it's not like no other MMORPGs on consoles have text chat.
The games you are reffering to sold so poorly they had to go free to play to gather a large player base.
Or
They needed to ,maintain the dying subscription model to essentially tax the hardcore players for being a niche market.
ESO exists in a sweet spot of buy to play and collecting an optional subscription.
All of those new players that keep flooding into the console version are doing so because it looks more like skyrim and less like world of Warcraft.
Those casuals are actually keeping the crown store cosmetic and the game balanced without that buy to win fiddling that would have to happen.1 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »It makes no sense to have anything different from what pc has. We have enough proof from other games that have successfully pulled of a text chat like that on consoles, so why would eso on the Consoles need anything different?
It makes zero sense.
What are you talking about....it makes 100% sense for consoles games to differ from PC just based on the peripherals alone
Cmon
Let me reexplain this to you... because you obviously didn't understand it the first time.
If other mmo's on consoles have a succefull text chat... why shouldn't eso????
That is as plain as I could put it.
You must mean those other games that failed to gather enough mass appeal to keep them from having to go free to play.
Or
I guess you might mean the other game that still charges for content and keeps a mandatory monthly sub, because its player base is so tiny. In buisness terms, obviously.
ESO needs to hit the bullseye of casual gamers here.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It makes no sense to have anything different from what pc has. We have enough proof from other games that have successfully pulled of a text chat like that on consoles, so why would eso on the Consoles need anything different?
It makes zero sense.
What are you talking about....it makes 100% sense for consoles games to differ from PC just based on the peripherals alone
Cmon
Why is that? It's not like no keyboards can be used along with XboX and PS and it's not like no other MMORPGs on consoles have text chat.
You guys need to take your heads outta the sand.
MMO just means massive multiplayer online. Nothing is attached to that requirement other than lots of players online playing a game.
You're trying to make an argument that's basically a PC experience or in some but very few cases a PC to console port where the DeVs neglected to rework their game to work on both with different UI's.
See from all the examples that are given for text chat on consoles...the UI looks very similar to PC so basically it's a PC game with button confit changes for console.
This is a completely different UI on PC than console.
Even further there are lots of things you can do on PC that aren't possible for console by design.
Basically when you suggest adding text chat to consoles you're actually suggesting to add full keyboard support.
With that comes other requirements by console like how does the PsP do this. How does smartglass work with this
What keyboards are supported and which are not. What happens to the UI
There are reasons it was not put on there in the first place and regardless of how any of us feel about being there or not being there...it's not there.
Will it be added...as of now it sounds like no
Will some sort of typing to communicate be added, it sounds like a chat bubble is a possibility but not being worked on.
Coming up with ideas that take a different approach to me is logical considering what we know and what has been shared but that hasn't taken root since April in umpteen different threads.
It's time to adjust or make a decision and move on for your personal entertainment.
This comment would almost make sense if we didn't have about 20 years of proof on how great text chat works on console mmos.
Lol you would have pulled a fast one but if it wasn't for those other pesky console mmo's and wonderful working text chat with keyboard support.... grrrr
He means all of this awesome games that failed to reach mass appeal and became pay to win cash shops.
Lol.
I'd rather zos keeps the ability to claim a bit of money from each casual player, so they don't need to find it elsewhere in the game.
And all those games you keep pointing out are hurting your case, they are financial failures.
They mistakenly listened to the vocal harcore and chased out the 'Ive never played a game like this before' crowd.
And. Ff is basically extorting that niche hardcore crowd and punishing them financially for being so niche.0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »...
Take this however you want but what I've shared has been in efforts to help.
Having been apart of this community for approx 2 years I've learned a lot and try to share those experiences with others.
I realize ppl don't want to agree or compromise or listen and or want to be heard, argue etc but having been around for a long time there are trends.
This company talks about what they want to work on and even comments on things they like. They address things that won't happen and often never restate that.
It's how things are done...for whatever it's worth to you I won't be going anywhere anytime soon as I'm a longtime supporter of this game and the company who developed it.
I've been following much of the DeVs since 1999-ish so I'm not going anywhere cause I like what they produce.
Please be respectful to other posters.
You have your opinions and others have theirs.
Its this kind of toxic commenting that gets threads closed.
If sometimes posts make you so angry, click ignore and don't engage.
Do not try to dictate who can and can't comment.
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