SeptimusDova wrote: »

How about as what someone said in another thread about speaking with wallets. Words on forums do not seem to make an impact. So maybe if all true tanks stop being an eso plus? I bet that will grab some attention. Of the things that were supposed to be addressed and were not. Of the things that were done to satisfy a few. Of the things that were nerfed Healz. Of all these things the members of my household all stopped being plus members at the same time. Yeah 5 subs no big deal. 5000 subs is a different story. Will we plus again. Ha! only if changes to stamina, Heals, and exploits are reverted or fixed. Until we may log in from time to time. But other than that nah. We got to much real life things to get into.

That is a pretty good idea.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

I think having a reason to let your guard down makes combat more exciting. Really good tanks will stand out even more.

Whats left isn't a tank.

lol, what?

only if your definition of a "tank" is "the one who holds block"

Adapt and overcome.

Anxileel wrote: »

I will always be a Tank even if I was to be the last Tank in the entire game.

I know you will take abuse and keep coming back for more.

Your profile pic is an ARGONIAN.

You think tanking is dead? Not at all but... dps player's are trying to take it away!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/207625/tanking-just-got-real-and-heres-why-it-should-stay-reactive-armour-set-cc-burst-build-counter#latest

Anxileel wrote: »

This Nerf may stir others away from Tanking but I will always be a Tank even if I was to be the last Tank in the entire game. This change is absurd and extreme and what happened to choosing the way we want to play and why do YOU ZOS listen to a minority of people and NOT THE COMMUNITY. Tanking is a role for a REASON which is to control mobs and to take the damage for the group. Even if this thread gets ignored and buried beneath hundreds of other Threads I WILL NOT STOP TANKING but it isn't fair for other players who are Tanks or just starting as Tanks. What gives people like Eric Wrobel and the elitist DPS the right to say L2P how about you learn to play and be a part of this community and not against it.

People are hyping up the problem, it isn't the tanks who should be upset, because quite frankly the nerf changes almost nothing if you already know how to manage your resources. The offended party should be all the non-templar healers who will be shunned away as they don't have shards or repentance..

Also, I just think the nerf is odd, they have barely explained why, similar to when they buffed the cost of Inner Fire to like 1.5x its previous cost after update 6.

Further, they are just making stam regen buffs completely obsolete for tanks, which seems really strange. I could get behind a 50-75% nerf to stam regen, but 100% is bonkers.

Scyantific wrote: »

lol@anyone who just aggros and blocks and calls themselves a "good tank"

sniped a lot of the silly out of your post to get to this.

its not really about block being nerfed, but they didn't nerf block, they nerfed stamina regen, and that is used for a whole lot more then just blocking. I would not mind a block nerf at this point, as long as it actually targeted blocking and not stamina regen.

blocking is as strong as it has always been its just a matter of finding a new way to do it (and people are) and once those builds become common we will be right back to square one. . .because they didn't nerf blocking at all, they nerfed stamina.

oh and don't confuse challenging with punishing, that's what makes game companies go under.

Wing wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

lol@anyone who just aggros and blocks and calls themselves a "good tank"

sniped a lot of the silly out of your post to get to this.

its not really about block being nerfed, but they didn't nerf block, they nerfed stamina regen, and that is used for a whole lot more then just blocking. I would not mind a block nerf at this point, as long as it actually targeted blocking and not stamina regen.

blocking is as strong as it has always been its just a matter of finding a new way to do it (and people are) and once those builds become common we will be right back to square one. . .because they didn't nerf blocking at all, they nerfed stamina.

oh and don't confuse challenging with punishing, that's what makes game companies go under.

Back to square one, but with all of the consequences of the stam regen nerf. And then what happens? Will they have to throw another nerf on top of the dung heap of combat?

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Hopefully your tank will figure out how to use the pierce armor and deep slash. Those two abilities are what makes the tank worth bringing besides necessity.

Unfortunately current testing points to "no"
I guess you will need Elemental Drain and/or Mark Target and NB-Shades.
Maybe after this comes live and we spent a while bouncing ideas and have less lag (on PTS, downside of EU-players i guess) and more people to run with (seriously, EU-char-copy happened and suddenly there are no other players around ) we may find something but chances are at this point someone else will find it before us.

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Why people value adaption so much is beyond me. For some reason adaption is considered an a priori good even when the only reason adaption is necessary is because of a really bad situation. It's not like thou shall adapt is written on an ancient stone tablet of god given rules.

Without adapting, I would have given up with this game months ago. But I agree with you, every major update I have to completely change how I play my chars and it starts to really annoy me. I have no problems with finding new ways to play, if the old ways would also still be viable ( which translates to diversity, something we all want) but with every good playstyle found we get a series of nerfs and gamechanges which make this particular playstyle not worthwhile. And that is the biggest mistake ZOS makes. They continue to nerf things everyone uses (sometimes justified, most often not) and if they buff something, most of the time it is in completely non-helpful ways. They should serioulsy start buffing/changing skills and morphs no-one uses (trap from fighters guild, first two skills from undaunted, spell symetry from mages guild, wall of elements from destro staff, quite a few class skills,...)

I hope the outcry when 0 stam regen while blocking comes live will be great enough to convince ZOS to change it to something that makes sense.

Saturn wrote: »

Anxileel wrote: »

This Nerf may stir others away from Tanking but I will always be a Tank even if I was to be the last Tank in the entire game. This change is absurd and extreme and what happened to choosing the way we want to play and why do YOU ZOS listen to a minority of people and NOT THE COMMUNITY. Tanking is a role for a REASON which is to control mobs and to take the damage for the group. Even if this thread gets ignored and buried beneath hundreds of other Threads I WILL NOT STOP TANKING but it isn't fair for other players who are Tanks or just starting as Tanks. What gives people like Eric Wrobel and the elitist DPS the right to say L2P how about you learn to play and be a part of this community and not against it.

People are hyping up the problem, it isn't the tanks who should be upset, because quite frankly the nerf changes almost nothing if you already know how to manage your resources. The offended party should be all the non-templar healers who will be shunned away as they don't have shards or repentance..

Also, I just think the nerf is odd, they have barely explained why, similar to when they buffed the cost of Inner Fire to like 1.5x its previous cost after update 6.

Further, they are just making stam regen buffs completely obsolete for tanks, which seems really strange. I could get behind a 50-75% nerf to stam regen, but 100% is bonkers.

The 100% is too extreme in my point of view and there is little to no explanation as to why they have done this extreme move.

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

I am a tank. I agree with the changes. Will still be tanking and expect to be in demand since I was able to adapt quick to it.

I already have things prepared if these changes (though likely) to go through; but I still hate these changes though.

Anxileel wrote: »

This Nerf may stir others away from Tanking but I will always be a Tank even if I was to be the last Tank in the entire game. This change is absurd and extreme and what happened to choosing the way we want to play and why do YOU ZOS listen to a minority of people and NOT THE COMMUNITY. Tanking is a role for a REASON which is to control mobs and to take the damage for the group. Even if this thread gets ignored and buried beneath hundreds of other Threads I WILL NOT STOP TANKING but it isn't fair for other players who are Tanks or just starting as Tanks. What gives people like Eric Wrobel and the elitist DPS the right to say L2P how about you learn to play and be a part of this community and not against it.

I think this change was ment for pvp mostly, due to the fact that they just block and never die why they put this for pve i have no idea but the down side here is for all the sorcs and stuff that dont have alot of stam we need to block to stop some of the incoming damage so this change may result in me using sword and shield on my sorc

DEATHquidox wrote: »

Anxileel wrote: »

This Nerf may stir others away from Tanking but I will always be a Tank even if I was to be the last Tank in the entire game. This change is absurd and extreme and what happened to choosing the way we want to play and why do YOU ZOS listen to a minority of people and NOT THE COMMUNITY. Tanking is a role for a REASON which is to control mobs and to take the damage for the group. Even if this thread gets ignored and buried beneath hundreds of other Threads I WILL NOT STOP TANKING but it isn't fair for other players who are Tanks or just starting as Tanks. What gives people like Eric Wrobel and the elitist DPS the right to say L2P how about you learn to play and be a part of this community and not against it.

I think this change was ment for pvp mostly, due to the fact that they just block and never die why they put this for pve i have no idea but the down side here is for all the sorcs and stuff that dont have alot of stam we need to block to stop some of the incoming damage so this change may result in me using sword and shield on my sorc

Yeah this change can wreck many players preferred play style.

Ppls still are able to perma block, especially DKs.. Black Rose set is great, it proc uber oft (20% chance to gain ~800+ stmaina)... and atm cause bug it proc even if u are not blocking, which is sick.. So pls stop Qq, I saw many ppls perma blocking and block casting in IC.. From pvp perspective its great change, also from pve - more challenge?

EvilEmpire wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

Ppls still are able to perma block, especially DKs.. Black Rose set is great, it proc uber oft (20% chance to gain ~800+ stmaina)... and atm cause bug it proc even if u are not blocking, which is sick.. So pls stop Qq, I saw many ppls perma blocking and block casting in IC.. From pvp perspective its great change, also from pve - more challenge?

the black rose set is [snip] garbage. wow..800 stam back when blocking a boss in the new dungeon chews up 8k of your stamina...

Get 2k+ stam regen, black rose, class passives, templar healer which spams lumi shards? Also stop perma blockin during boss fights and use brain? Srry, no more press RMB and i am king of tanks.. U need to know when to use magic block button.. Get as much as u can increase healing received to help healer, CP block reduction, enchants block redycton, u need to adjust totally to be a TANK in 1.7.. not tank + dps at once like we have on live..

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