Deltia's Umbra Magicka NB
Mhylton44142
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Can anyone tell me if this is still a viable magicka based PvE leveling build for PS4 or should i be looking for something else?
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mklundub17_ESO✭✭✭It was a 1.6 build so yes still viable, might not be after the Imperial patch though.Mass Terror
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Reeko✭✭✭✭It will be stronger after IC drops. I'm pretty sure he recently did unpdate to the build on pts0 -
QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm sorry, but I could swear I saw LOTUS FAN in that build. NO, just NO.
LOTUS FAN.... LOL.0 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭Im guessing its not for damage rather for the snare it gives and also a gap closer all in one. The snare will help with controlling the mobs though its not useful for bosses though.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
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KellionBane✭✭He uses Lotus Fan in his low level portion of the guide, to show how he can help in group PVP. He later drops it.0 -
milesrodneymcneely2_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Isn't Lotus Fan getting a straight-up DPS boost when Imperial City goes live?
I could be having a brain fart, but I swear I read this somewhere...
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Reeko✭✭✭✭milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »Isn't Lotus Fan getting a straight-up DPS boost when Imperial City goes live?
I could be having a brain fart, but I swear I read this somewhere...
You are correct.0 -
WyldfireWyrm✭✭✭The Umbra build is what I'll be basing my magicka Nightblade off of. There is controversy among PTS theorycrafters as to whether Lotus Fan will be worth the skill point or if magicka nightblades will just continue to use Teleporting Strike un-morphed. Realistically, Teleporting Strike and it's morphs are not really useful once Concealed Weapon is obtained. Bring able to basically sprint while cloaked makes closing gaps easy.0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WyldfireWyrm wrote: »The Umbra build is what I'll be basing my magicka Nightblade off of. There is controversy among PTS theorycrafters as to whether Lotus Fan will be worth the skill point or if magicka nightblades will just continue to use Teleporting Strike un-morphed. Realistically, Teleporting Strike and it's morphs are not really useful once Concealed Weapon is obtained. Bring able to basically sprint while cloaked makes closing gaps easy.
I was thinking about using Ambush as a gap closer even in a magi NB. That empower buff is always usefulSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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Gorilla✭✭✭It is viable but a little too PVP oriented. I went DW/resto instead but generally speaking its a strong build -- just needs some mod for PVE.
As for the gap closer, I wonder if you actually need one with a magicka NB, eg siphon focus.0 -
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✭✭Even as a vamp I can solo group challenges in public dungeons with a build similar to this. Its not designed for high dps but survival is easy with cloak + conceiled.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
Septimus Rulanir - Orsimer Templar
Septimus Desmoru - Khajiit Necromancer
Septimus Iroh - Dunmer Dragon Knight
Septimus Thragar - Dunmer Nightblade
Septimus Jah'zar - Khajiit Nightblade
Septimus Nerox - Redguard Warden
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WyldfireWyrm✭✭✭WyldfireWyrm wrote: »The Umbra build is what I'll be basing my magicka Nightblade off of. There is controversy among PTS theorycrafters as to whether Lotus Fan will be worth the skill point or if magicka nightblades will just continue to use Teleporting Strike un-morphed. Realistically, Teleporting Strike and it's morphs are not really useful once Concealed Weapon is obtained. Bring able to basically sprint while cloaked makes closing gaps easy.
I was thinking about using Ambush as a gap closer even in a magi NB. That empower buff is always useful
That is fine for a while until you get the mage guild passive called "Might of the Guild", which grants Empower after any mage guild skill is cast. Then the only thing that Ambush has to offer is a short stun, which can be obtained from several other weapon lines and/or nightblade skills.0 -
WyldfireWyrm✭✭✭It is viable but a little too PVP oriented. I went DW/resto instead but generally speaking its a strong build -- just needs some mod for PVE.
As for the gap closer, I wonder if you actually need one with a magicka NB, eg siphon focus.
He has a section on the build page that goes over PVE skills and gear.
And a gap closer is great for the first few levels until you get Concealed Weapon, which boosts stealth speed enough to make a gap closer feel like a waste of a skill slot.0 -
Scyantific✭✭✭✭✭
✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »Even as a vamp I can solo group challenges in public dungeons with a build similar to this. Its not designed for high dps but survival is easy with cloak + conceiled.
Saying that you can solo group challenges isn't a good metric for measuring the viability of builds, considering how easy it is to do the group challenges (source: I solo'd every single group challenge minus the Alik'r public dungeon one on my minimally optimized sorcerer as I went through each region).0 -
Gorilla✭✭✭WyldfireWyrm wrote: »
He has a section on the build page that goes over PVE skills and gear.
I looked at the site and it said coming soon for end game PVE. If you have a link to the final version do you mind posting? Thanks.0 -
milesrodneymcneely2_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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I agree; I just whipped out my glovebox calculator and it looks like leaving Teleport Strike unmorphed is still the way to go.WyldfireWyrm wrote: »That is fine for a while until you get the mage guild passive called "Might of the Guild", which grants Empower after any mage guild skill is cast. Then the only thing that Ambush has to offer is a short stun, which can be obtained from several other weapon lines and/or nightblade skills.
At VR13, my GROSSLY unoptimized build basically loses 518 damage by using the Empower buff from Ambush for Concealed Weapon.
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WyldfireWyrm✭✭✭WyldfireWyrm wrote: »
He has a section on the build page that goes over PVE skills and gear.
I looked at the site and it said coming soon for end game PVE. If you have a link to the final version do you mind posting? Thanks.
My apologies. I was thinking of another of his builds.
Still, it can be optimized without too much effort. I always use his guides as the basis for my builds, then I tweak them to my own person style of combat.0 -
chevalierknight✭✭✭He updated it and yes i use it tho with mark in place of sap me and a vr12 own on it all day0 -
chevalierknight✭✭✭WyldfireWyrm wrote: »The Umbra build is what I'll be basing my magicka Nightblade off of. There is controversy among PTS theorycrafters as to whether Lotus Fan will be worth the skill point or if magicka nightblades will just continue to use Teleporting Strike un-morphed. Realistically, Teleporting Strike and it's morphs are not really useful once Concealed Weapon is obtained. Bring able to basically sprint while cloaked makes closing gaps easy.
Ill never pick up lotus as its not lotus vs ambush for me its lotus vs grasp and grasp wins every time "got to go fast"0 -
wafcatb14_ESO✭✭✭Wouldn`t the lotus fan aoe help with 2 piece armor procs ? since each mob hit would have a chance to proc. or not really ?Edited by wafcatb14_ESO on August 15, 2015 2:55PM0
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chevalierknight✭✭✭wafcatb14_ESO wrote: »Wouldn`t the lotus fan aoe help with 2 piece armor procs ? since each mob hit would have a chance to proc. or not really ?
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Septimus_Magna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Scyantific wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »Even as a vamp I can solo group challenges in public dungeons with a build similar to this. Its not designed for high dps but survival is easy with cloak + conceiled.
Saying that you can solo group challenges isn't a good metric for measuring the viability of builds, considering how easy it is to do the group challenges (source: I solo'd every single group challenge minus the Alik'r public dungeon one on my minimally optimized sorcerer as I went through each region).
Pve is easy anyways, if you can do public dungeon group challenges by yourself the build is fine for pve. It has decent damage and the survivability is fine with cloak and healing ward, even as a vamp.
As a sorc you only need to slot hardened ward to survive pve so its not fair to compair that to an entire NB build imo.
PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
Septimus Rulanir - Orsimer Templar
Septimus Desmoru - Khajiit Necromancer
Septimus Iroh - Dunmer Dragon Knight
Septimus Thragar - Dunmer Nightblade
Septimus Jah'zar - Khajiit Nightblade
Septimus Nerox - Redguard Warden
Septimus Ozurk - Orsimer Sorcerer1 -
chevalierknight✭✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »Scyantific wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »Even as a vamp I can solo group challenges in public dungeons with a build similar to this. Its not designed for high dps but survival is easy with cloak + conceiled.
Saying that you can solo group challenges isn't a good metric for measuring the viability of builds, considering how easy it is to do the group challenges (source: I solo'd every single group challenge minus the Alik'r public dungeon one on my minimally optimized sorcerer as I went through each region).
Pve is easy anyways, if you can do public dungeon group challenges by yourself the build is fine for pve. It has decent damage and the survivability is fine with cloak and healing ward, even as a vamp.
As a sorc you only need to slot hardened ward to survive pve so its not fair to compair that to an entire NB build imo.
Im using the build and its strong been winning alot of 1v3s i really lose a 1v1 it the mist ward heal is strong0