Not Catching ANY Blue Fish!

KriHavok · June 2015

Hi, I've recently had the incentive to return to fishing since launch in an attempt to find the new Perfect Roe. At the same time, I thought that I should also try getting the achievements, as most were half-finished since I got slightly bored with it from launch.

However... I remember finding green and blue fish quite easily at launch, but now I cannot find ANY blue fish whatsoever. I have gone through almost 450 pieces of bait (the right kind of bait for the water type) and still cannot find any blue fish! I used to be able to find 1 blue fish every 20 fish at launch, but now getting 0 after 450 pieces, it's ridiculous! In the meantime, I have even found 6 pieces of Perfect Roe (legendary quality) and 0 blue fishes (superior quality).

These 450 pieces of bait were spent in Glenumbra and Stormhaven (if that helps). So, what I wanted to know is if anyone else is experiencing difficulties with finding blue fish. Because at first I thought myself as unlucky but after continuing I've become perplexed after so many bait and hours spent.

I even tried emailing ZoS support and they recommended their support page (nothing on it there), on the uesp.net wiki (nothing on it there) and the forums. I'm trying my luck here and fingers-crossed someone can help... Thanks!

driosketch · June 2015

I've caught a few blue fish since I started fishing again, even caught one using the lower tier bait.

Rosveen · June 2015

driosketch wrote: »

I've caught a few blue fish since I started fishing again, even caught one using the lower tier bait.

What do you mean by lower tier? Don't they all work the same way, just on different water types?

MissBizz · June 2015

Some blue fish are WAY harder than others to get - I'm not home so I can't check if I have those two...

Try fishing with others. I find that I find way more rare fish when a few of us are fishing at the same holes together.

MissBizz · June 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

I've caught a few blue fish since I started fishing again, even caught one using the lower tier bait.

What do you mean by lower tier? Don't they all work the same way, just on different water types?

I'm guessing they mean worms/crawlers etc. Rather than the catchable baits like roe, minnows etc.

Rosveen · June 2015

MissBizz wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

I've caught a few blue fish since I started fishing again, even caught one using the lower tier bait.

What do you mean by lower tier? Don't they all work the same way, just on different water types?

I'm guessing they mean worms/crawlers etc. Rather than the catchable baits like roe, minnows etc.

But they don't change the catch rate, do they?

It might just be bad luck, but ever since Perfect Roe was introduced, I feel like I'm catching fewer rare fish. Maybe I'm imagining it. Either way, I second the suggestion to fish in a group, it's the best way to catch rares.

MissBizz · June 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

I've caught a few blue fish since I started fishing again, even caught one using the lower tier bait.

What do you mean by lower tier? Don't they all work the same way, just on different water types?

I'm guessing they mean worms/crawlers etc. Rather than the catchable baits like roe, minnows etc.

But they don't change the catch rate, do they?

It might just be bad luck, but ever since Perfect Roe was introduced, I feel like I'm catching fewer rare fish. Maybe I'm imagining it. Either way, I second the suggestion to fish in a group, it's the best way to catch rares.

I have never tested the catch rate with the catchable baits.. I don't think it changes anything. (other than the fact the Stro m'kai blue fish USED to be bugged and could only be caught with Chub)

I actually noticed I'm catching a lot of rare fish since perfect roe has been introduced. maybe it's all just RNG at it's finest?

Allyhoo811 · June 2015

I have also felt like I'm catching fewer blue fish than in the past. Over the last few days, I've used close to 400 pieces of bait and only caught one blue fish.

We are probably just having a stint of bad RNG rolls; I'm sure there is someone out there who can say it feels like they are catching tons of blue fish.

On the plus side, I have found 3 perfect roe -- so that's something.

driosketch · June 2015

MissBizz wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

I've caught a few blue fish since I started fishing again, even caught one using the lower tier bait.

What do you mean by lower tier? Don't they all work the same way, just on different water types?

I'm guessing they mean worms/crawlers etc. Rather than the catchable baits like roe, minnows etc.

But they don't change the catch rate, do they?

It might just be bad luck, but ever since Perfect Roe was introduced, I feel like I'm catching fewer rare fish. Maybe I'm imagining it. Either way, I second the suggestion to fish in a group, it's the best way to catch rares.

I have never tested the catch rate with the catchable baits.. I don't think it changes anything. (other than the fact the Stro m'kai blue fish USED to be bugged and could only be caught with Chub)

I actually noticed I'm catching a lot of rare fish since perfect roe has been introduced. maybe it's all just RNG at it's finest?

Are you telling me you can catch the Stros M'kai rare with worms now? Because I attribute that to my notion that catchable bait increases or is required for certain rare fishes.

In any case, it might be the RNG, or it might be they increased white fish drops since you can only get Roe from them.

KriHavok · June 2015

I've had no problem finding many duplicates of green fish, it's just these blue fish that persist to not appear... I've talked to other people as well and they have noticed that they are also finding little to no blue fish also. However, I did not hear anything about the blue fish catch-rate being affected by the latest patch, or perhaps it was unintentional?

And @driosketch I found the Eltheric Grouper from Stros M'kai using worms a few weeks back when I was going around with friends, it only took a few worms actually before it appeared.

MissBizz · June 2015

driosketch wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

I've caught a few blue fish since I started fishing again, even caught one using the lower tier bait.

What do you mean by lower tier? Don't they all work the same way, just on different water types?

I'm guessing they mean worms/crawlers etc. Rather than the catchable baits like roe, minnows etc.

But they don't change the catch rate, do they?

It might just be bad luck, but ever since Perfect Roe was introduced, I feel like I'm catching fewer rare fish. Maybe I'm imagining it. Either way, I second the suggestion to fish in a group, it's the best way to catch rares.

I have never tested the catch rate with the catchable baits.. I don't think it changes anything. (other than the fact the Stro m'kai blue fish USED to be bugged and could only be caught with Chub)

I actually noticed I'm catching a lot of rare fish since perfect roe has been introduced. maybe it's all just RNG at it's finest?

Are you telling me you can catch the Stros M'kai rare with worms now? Because I attribute that to my notion that catchable bait increases or is required for certain rare fishes.

In any case, it might be the RNG, or it might be they increased white fish drops since you can only get Roe from them.

@driosketch Yes that's what I'm saying

I have caught the Stros M'kai blue fish with worms.

ScruffyWhiskers · June 2015

Add me to the complaint list here on blue fish. I've been after the rainbow zender in stonefalls for days. 400+ casts and loads of green and bags but no blue. Foul water and river blues showed up within 100 casts each.

ScruffyWhiskers · June 2015

When it rains it pours I guess. Fish are practically jumping in my boat at the moment. I've caught 3 blues in the last 2 hours. The elusive Rainbow Zender is now mounted on my wall. :0

It would be nice if the rng wasn't so fickle. Maybe they could program in some check to start bumping your odds of the blue fish if you have made a lot of casts and not pulled one in yet....sort of an adaptive probability curve for the activity. I'm a game designer myself so I know all about complaints about the rng. Getting a taste of my own medicine has been educational to say the least.

Ourorboros · June 2015

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

When it rains it pours I guess. Fish are practically jumping in my boat at the moment. I've caught 3 blues in the last 2 hours. The elusive Rainbow Zender is now mounted on my wall. :0

It would be nice if the rng wasn't so fickle. Maybe they could program in some check to start bumping your odds of the blue fish if you have made a lot of casts and not pulled one in yet....sort of an adaptive probability curve for the activity. I'm a game designer myself so I know all about complaints about the rng. Getting a taste of my own medicine has been educational to say the least.

This is a good illustration that catching rare fish is just down to RNG. I've been pulling plenty of rares, blue and green, but I just vendor them. I've heard reports of a thousand or more casts to get a single rare, and I've come close to that on a few fish. But fishing is bug free, at least on PC. As advised above, fishing in a group is the best way to improve odds of catching rares.

There is no evidence that caught bait (minnows, shad, roe) has a better chance of catching rares than found bait. It's my practice to use the caught bait first to free inventory slots.

newtinmpls · June 2015

Don't know.... I just caught another pyandonean ray in Kenarthi's Roost. Caught a Nedic Eel on my first or second cast in Cold Harbor.

No perfect roe - but I probably haven't come anywhere close to 100 fish since it was initiated; and if it's only a small chance, then it will probably take a while.

mrkoolaidhd · June 2015

i been lucky getting blue fish but when i got blue fish i always get them by useing worms

Shimmer · June 2015

I have to say before the update it seems it was easier to catch all the fish. I have been going for the achievement for some time, and before i was able to complete 1 zone a night (meaning catch all the fish for the achievement). Then somewhere along the way it seems there was some kind of stealth nerf and now its more difficult to complete a zone, IE there's always that ONE fish in each zone that will take me days to fish up. I wont leave a zone till its complete.

Shimmer · June 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

When it rains it pours I guess. Fish are practically jumping in my boat at the moment. I've caught 3 blues in the last 2 hours. The elusive Rainbow Zender is now mounted on my wall. :0

It would be nice if the rng wasn't so fickle. Maybe they could program in some check to start bumping your odds of the blue fish if you have made a lot of casts and not pulled one in yet....sort of an adaptive probability curve for the activity. I'm a game designer myself so I know all about complaints about the rng. Getting a taste of my own medicine has been educational to say the least.

This is a good illustration that catching rare fish is just down to RNG. I've been pulling plenty of rares, blue and green, but I just vendor them. I've heard reports of a thousand or more casts to get a single rare, and I've come close to that on a few fish. But fishing is bug free, at least on PC. As advised above, fishing in a group is the best way to improve odds of catching rares.

There is no evidence that caught bait (minnows, shad, roe) has a better chance of catching rares than found bait. It's my practice to use the caught bait first to free inventory slots.

I have to disagree with the chance rate going up if you fish with more than one person in a hole. I know the tip page says it does, but I really think its more efficient to fish alone. We tested this (me and three of my buddies) and it didnt seem to increase the odds at all. I caught the same amount of greens and blues that I would have alone, we just spent more time looking for hole to fish as we depleted it faster with all of us.

Rev Rielle · June 2015

Blue fish are indeed tricky to pull in. So much so that when fishing alone, I basically only concern myself with catching the 'green' fish, then move on.

I save going after the blue fish when in a group. I use to try when I was alone, but have found it's much more time-efficient (not to mention enjoyable) doing so with others.

Ourorboros · June 2015

mrkoolaidhd wrote: »

i been lucky getting blue fish but when i got blue fish i always get them by useing worms

This is very bad information. Worms are only for ocean waters. Used elsewhere may catch fish but will give you much more useless used bait.

Ourorboros · June 2015

Sylance9 wrote: »

I have to say before the update it seems it was easier to catch all the fish. I have been going for the achievement for some time, and before i was able to complete 1 zone a night (meaning catch all the fish for the achievement). Then somewhere along the way it seems there was some kind of stealth nerf and now its more difficult to complete a zone, IE there's always that ONE fish in each zone that will take me days to fish up. I wont leave a zone till its complete.

It's a matter of preference, but when I encountered a stubborn fish or two, I generally moved to another zone. RNG fluctuates and changing zones also seems to change RNG. You can stick to a single zone and hope for the best, but that is not how I got my Master Angler title.

UrQuan · June 2015

Sylance9 wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

When it rains it pours I guess. Fish are practically jumping in my boat at the moment. I've caught 3 blues in the last 2 hours. The elusive Rainbow Zender is now mounted on my wall. :0

It would be nice if the rng wasn't so fickle. Maybe they could program in some check to start bumping your odds of the blue fish if you have made a lot of casts and not pulled one in yet....sort of an adaptive probability curve for the activity. I'm a game designer myself so I know all about complaints about the rng. Getting a taste of my own medicine has been educational to say the least.

This is a good illustration that catching rare fish is just down to RNG. I've been pulling plenty of rares, blue and green, but I just vendor them. I've heard reports of a thousand or more casts to get a single rare, and I've come close to that on a few fish. But fishing is bug free, at least on PC. As advised above, fishing in a group is the best way to improve odds of catching rares.

There is no evidence that caught bait (minnows, shad, roe) has a better chance of catching rares than found bait. It's my practice to use the caught bait first to free inventory slots.

I have to disagree with the chance rate going up if you fish with more than one person in a hole. I know the tip page says it does, but I really think its more efficient to fish alone. We tested this (me and three of my buddies) and it didnt seem to increase the odds at all. I caught the same amount of greens and blues that I would have alone, we just spent more time looking for hole to fish as we depleted it faster with all of us.

You're wrong. The drop rate for rare fish is very definitely higher the more people are at a hole. I've done a lot of fishing solo and a lot of fishing in groups, and you absolutely get greens and blues more often when there's a group at a hole. There are quite a few of us in my guild who enjoy fishing (for some only as a social activity), and we do fairly regular fishing events. Those of us who fish both solo and in groups in our fishing events all agree that we get a far higher chance of greens and blues per cast of the line in groups.

Bracteamentum · August 2015

I agree.
The droprates are a disaster.
Once, I need about 50 baits to get all blue and green from a type of water, the other time i needed up to 600.
And more: Not a rare occurance that I get the blue fish before the second or third green fish, whih actually should be even harder to fish.
Another phenomenon is, that I you get 10x Green Fish 1, 3x Blue fish and after a long time 1x Green Fish 2.
I really want the achievements and perfect roe make a good income, but spending hours or even days in one zone to get them all is not challenging anymore, just disappointing.

Preyfar · August 2015

500+ fish today... not a single blue. OR a green for that matter. I've burned through so much bait and I've not gotten anything.