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Double Mundus Bug - A must have now?

  • rfennell_ESO
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    FMonk wrote: »
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    AD zerg guilds are cheating patriot fans. Nothing new learned in this thread.

    Coming from someone who streams himself using both the double mundus and overload bar exploits.

    Haha I reported him for a week straight on double mundus because I knew he's a win at all costs type.(I was just guessing, never saw his stream).

    So much for reporting people in this game doing anything at all.

  • Rayste
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    FMonk wrote: »
    FENGRUSH wrote: »
    AD zerg guilds are cheating patriot fans. Nothing new learned in this thread.

    Coming from someone who streams himself using both the double mundus and overload bar exploits.

    And that wrecking blow spam .....
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  • rfennell_ESO
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    Rayste wrote: »

    And that wrecking blow spam .....

    Gotta be careful, he's a lot like Lance Armstrong.

    He will protect himself by going to the mods and trying to silence you. Other comparisons are accurate as well I guess.
  • Ezareth
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    WRX wrote: »
    Honestly we all know Tom Brady did not cheat and he will get cleared of it.

    I really thing the big issue here is the fact that people still can not admit that LeBron James is hands down the best number 23 to ever play the game of basketball, and does so without cheating.

    MJ has better stats, sure, but the game was much different then as well and not nearly as sophisticated. LBJ is the king of this generation and certainly of all the past generations, except MAYBE for Magic who also was a team player and truly versatile in what he did on the court.
    Oh and Double Mundus? It's so trivial you can say big whoop to it. All the sorc cheaters using the overload bug with inner light and armor buff are worse. The artificial lag inducers that pollute Cyrondil and are respected as "great players" because they cheat are the worst though. But the worst of them all are the people that post here talking about fair play and not exploiting because they rock without it, but when you see them in game are cheap exploiting hacks... well, no one abusing double mundus ought even feel slightly bad about it when you have the real exploiters cheating their way to fame (of course only in their minds and the minds of young males who don't sexually identify yet due to never not soloing it).

    Actually anyone exploiting double mundus should feel bad about it but they lack a moral compass. I don't know of any exploit right now with greater impact other than whatever it is Blinxey does to mitigate damage....and evidently what he's doing isn't an exploit.

    I still get occused of "exploiting" all the time, almost every day by people I kill in game...usually they put me on /ignore before I can respond. There are too many players who have to justify their losses by somethin beyond their control . These are the same players who will *never* get better. I never accuse anyone of exploiting unless I have no doubt they are in fact exploiting. Most of the time the people will admit it when you ask them.
    FMonk wrote: »
    FENGRUSH wrote: »
    AD zerg guilds are cheating patriot fans. Nothing new learned in this thread.

    Coming from someone who streams himself using both the double mundus and overload bar exploits.

    Haha I reported him for a week straight on double mundus because I knew he's a win at all costs type.(I was just guessing, never saw his stream).

    So much for reporting people in this game doing anything at all.

    This is exactly what I'm talking about. You didn't even know someone was using an exploit and yet you reported them?

    The ironic thing is in the same breath you wonder why ZoS doesnt do anything about /reports. I wonder if it perhaps has to do with the vast majority of reports being unsubstantiated...
    Rayste wrote: »
    FMonk wrote: »
    FENGRUSH wrote: »
    AD zerg guilds are cheating patriot fans. Nothing new learned in this thread.

    Coming from someone who streams himself using both the double mundus and overload bar exploits.

    And that wrecking blow spam .....

    You should find a Stamina damage ability a sorc can use to replace it and let him know.
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  • Winnamine
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    FMonk wrote: »
    FENGRUSH wrote: »
    AD zerg guilds are cheating patriot fans. Nothing new learned in this thread.

    Coming from someone who streams himself using both the double mundus and overload bar exploits.

    Haha I reported him for a week straight on double mundus because I knew he's a win at all costs type.(I was just guessing, never saw his stream).

    So much for reporting people in this game doing anything at all.


    I'm pretty against the double mundus thing, I think it's weak af, but you reported someone for a week straight with zero proof he was even using it other than "he seemed like the type"?

    You know, sometimes I wonder why ZOS doesn't take exploiting reports more seriously, thanks for answering that question for me.
    Edited by Winnamine on August 13, 2015 5:51PM
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  • rfennell_ESO
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    Ezareth wrote: »

    This is exactly what I'm talking about. You didn't even know someone was using an exploit and yet you reported them?

    The ironic thing is in the same breath you wonder why ZoS doesnt do anything about /reports. I wonder if it perhaps has to do with the vast majority of reports being unsubstantiated...

    It was always obvious regarding that particular cad. If you have pvped in games long enough you just know when something isn't kosher.

    Thing is we have confirmation here that on his stream he is known to be using at least 2 exploits. Likely far more than just that.

    This is regarding the most aggressive defender of himself here, past you. You can either read something into that or not.
    Winnamine wrote: »

    I'm pretty against the double mundus thing, I think it's weak af, but you reported someone for a week straight with zero proof he was even using it other than "he seemed like the type"?

    You know, sometimes I wonder why ZOS doesn't take exploiting reports more seriously, thanks for answering that question for me.

    Meanwhile someone confirmed that he is. Pretty hard to "provide" proof in this game with the limited tools they give you to log anything. They claim they will "investigate" all tickets, if they actually did they would have seen double mundus, broken overload bug, werevamp, and probably a half dozen other things.
    Edited by rfennell_ESO on August 13, 2015 8:59PM
  • Garwulf
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    Ezareth wrote: »

    This is exactly what I'm talking about. You didn't even know someone was using an exploit and yet you reported them?

    The ironic thing is in the same breath you wonder why ZoS doesnt do anything about /reports. I wonder if it perhaps has to do with the vast majority of reports being unsubstantiated...

    It was always obvious regarding that particular cad. If you have pvped in games long enough you just know when something isn't kosher.

    Thing is we have confirmation here that on his stream he is known to be using at least 2 exploits. Likely far more than just that.

    This is regarding the most aggressive defender of himself here, past you. You can either read something into that or not.
    Winnamine wrote: »

    I'm pretty against the double mundus thing, I think it's weak af, but you reported someone for a week straight with zero proof he was even using it other than "he seemed like the type"?

    You know, sometimes I wonder why ZOS doesn't take exploiting reports more seriously, thanks for answering that question for me.

    Meanwhile someone confirmed that he is. Pretty hard to "provide" proof in this game with the limited tools they give you to log anything. They claim they will "investigate" all tickets, if they actually did they would have seen double mundus, broken overload bug, werevamp, and probably a half dozen other things.

    I have 2 on one of my toons. Never used Twin Mundas at any stage , just appeared just like the appox 50 extra champion points appeared on another toon. Since removed. A friend had 5 mundas , put in a ticket and ZoS removed them. Now cannot even have one.

    There might be cheats and there is definitley an unkown 'bug' as well.
  • DisgracefulMind
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    WRX wrote: »
    Honestly we all know Tom Brady did not cheat and he will get cleared of it.

    I really thing the big issue here is the fact that people still can not admit that LeBron James is hands down the best number 23 to ever play the game of basketball, and does so without cheating.

    MJ has better stats, sure, but the game was much different then as well and not nearly as sophisticated. LBJ is the king of this generation and certainly of all the past generations, except MAYBE for Magic who also was a team player and truly versatile in what he did on the court.

    I guess the question to ask is do you believe two equipment "manager" doofuses manipulated balls without Tom's knowledge? My answer is: not a snowball's chance in fiery hell.

    Hard to compare Lebron in the age of zone D to MJ who played in the era of man to man D and could nearly always be isolated. Also keep in mind a legitimate strategy was to beat the crap out of someone until the NBA changed the rules in MJ's favor. The Pistons once had a D strategy called "Jordan Rules" that was basically force him to the middle so Rodman, Lambier and/or Mahorn could sledgehammer him to the floor. Players used to clothesline MJ as their foul... Point being it's pretty hard to make a comparison. I'd take a forward over a guard though, when it comes to a prolific scorer.

    As for Magic, magic was always a defensive liability. A big smile seemed to charm people that should have been saying things like "he's a great offensive player, but". Then again, "showtime" didn't include much Defense.

    Oh and Double Mundus? It's so trivial you can say big whoop to it. All the sorc cheaters using the overload bug with inner light and armor buff are worse. The artificial lag inducers that pollute Cyrondil and are respected as "great players" because they cheat are the worst though. But the worst of them all are the people that post here talking about fair play and not exploiting because they rock without it, but when you see them in game are cheap exploiting hacks... well, no one abusing double mundus ought even feel slightly bad about it when you have the real exploiters cheating their way to fame (of course only in their minds and the minds of young males who don't sexually identify yet due to never not soloing it).

    Two Mundus stones is not trivial at all, and the overload bug doesn't even come close to it. Justifying an exploit with another exploit is just...wow. People who exploit should feel bad. Can't wait until it's patched.
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    Two Mundus stones is not trivial at all, and the overload bug doesn't even come close to it. Justifying an exploit with another exploit is just...wow. People who exploit should feel bad. Can't wait until it's patched.

    Some of us have an unexplained bug that won't go away!

    But it actually is trivial compared to the K v z bug where his computer randomly stutters and then plows you with all his attacks at once. Saw a dress wearing NB that posts here very righteously attempt to do very same the other night. It's a bug I'm sure and by no means anyone's fault right?

    The entire "plot" of this thread is that a certain exploit had become so pervasive that nearly everyone was using it. There is a such a thing... as something becoming so abused that even the minority, that didn't receive participation trophies their entire life and end up with a self esteem so much higher than what the mirror shows, will cave and start using it. It's a bad sign, and double mundus is likely the tip of the iceberg.

    PS I'd take 10% crit or the ability to see all stealthers and not be able to be critted from stealth over 1kish in a stat any day. I guess your reasoning is you use the overload bug so it's trivial compared to double mundus.
    Edited by rfennell_ESO on August 13, 2015 10:00PM
  • Lava_Croft
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    People who exploit should not just feel bad, they should feel ZOS. I don't give a flying *** if ZOS bans 75% of Cyrodiil for a while. At some point ZOS will have to do something about this except letting bugs run rampant for half a year or longer, letting the upper echelon exploit the *** out of it and then fix it once the casuals start to use it.

    Especially because the Imperial City and the Tel Var stone system bring an actual penalty to death, properly dealing with exploiters is more important than ever.
  • Mr_Nobody
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    Inb4 someone else uploads a 1vX video of them killing Sub VR14s while using numerous exploits. I always tempt to message such people and tell them that they might as well run around like Blinxey since it does not make much of a difference. But I let it go.

    Exploiting is exploiting.

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  • Ezareth
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    Two Mundus stones is not trivial at all, and the overload bug doesn't even come close to it. Justifying an exploit with another exploit is just...wow. People who exploit should feel bad. Can't wait until it's patched.

    Some of us have an unexplained bug that won't go away!

    But it actually is trivial compared to the K v z bug where his computer randomly stutters and then plows you with all his attacks at once. Saw a dress wearing NB that posts here very righteously attempt to do very same the other night. It's a bug I'm sure and by no means anyone's fault right?

    The entire "plot" of this thread is that a certain exploit had become so pervasive that nearly everyone was using it. There is a such a thing... as something becoming so abused that even the minority, that didn't receive participation trophies their entire life and end up with a self esteem so much higher than what the mirror shows, will cave and start using it. It's a bad sign, and double mundus is likely the tip of the iceberg.

    PS I'd take 10% crit or the ability to see all stealthers and not be able to be critted from stealth over 1kish in a stat any day. I guess your reasoning is you use the overload bug so it's trivial compared to double mundus.

    Lol...I was wondering if you were one of the people who accused me of exploiting in game, the dress comment confirms it. I'm still not sure about what this "random stutters" issue you're speaking of is other than some problem with your connection/computer. I've killed "Kvz" multiple times and watched as he called me a "Garbage DK NB" on his Twitch stream after one such kill. He's got me quite a few times on my NB and my sorc as well. There is nothing he is doing to exploit but if you don't have sub-second reaction times when he attacks you he'll two-shot you, and if there is any lag in your break free on his stun you're dead as well. I don't even stealth, and the only people I two-shot are Templars who are stupid enough to Jesus Beam me and provide me with the bonus damage necessary to kill them. Most of the people I kill die *very* slowly compared to 90% of the other nightblades out there running weapon power builds since I usually end up Bashing people to death mixed in with deep slash. If I'm lucky enough to be in a 1 v 1 scenario against a caster class I'll be able to bring out my 2-hander and wrecking blow, but unless they're a ganker nightblade running sub-20K health they're dying slowly.

    Mundus bug provides you with several thousand magicka or 5000+ penetration, or ~400 Magicka regen.

    I'd put it equal to the overload bug as 5% magicka and 10% crit isn't insignificant either.

    People like you are exactly the type of people I've been talking about. They have no idea why they die so the reason has to be someone using an "Exploit" because they're so full of themselves they can't conceive the fact that someone may have a better build or better skills than them and have egos too big to accept that fact.

    Next time you die to someone you suspect of "Exploiting" ask them straight out what they're doing if they are doing something you don't understand and suspect is cheating. You might actually learn someone if you're respectful and they're nice enough to answer you...
    Edited by Ezareth on August 13, 2015 11:37PM
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  • Winnamine
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    Ezareth wrote: »

    This is exactly what I'm talking about. You didn't even know someone was using an exploit and yet you reported them?

    The ironic thing is in the same breath you wonder why ZoS doesnt do anything about /reports. I wonder if it perhaps has to do with the vast majority of reports being unsubstantiated...

    It was always obvious regarding that particular cad. If you have pvped in games long enough you just know when something isn't kosher.

    Thing is we have confirmation here that on his stream he is known to be using at least 2 exploits. Likely far more than just that.

    This is regarding the most aggressive defender of himself here, past you. You can either read something into that or not.
    Winnamine wrote: »

    I'm pretty against the double mundus thing, I think it's weak af, but you reported someone for a week straight with zero proof he was even using it other than "he seemed like the type"?

    You know, sometimes I wonder why ZOS doesn't take exploiting reports more seriously, thanks for answering that question for me.

    Meanwhile someone confirmed that he is. Pretty hard to "provide" proof in this game with the limited tools they give you to log anything. They claim they will "investigate" all tickets, if they actually did they would have seen double mundus, broken overload bug, werevamp, and probably a half dozen other things.

    Pretty hard for them to investigate all tickets when people like you are spamming reports on anyone you have any vague, but completely uncorroborated, suspicion about.
    As for being sure, well, you can't be entirely, which is why you should be careful with your reports. But if you are determined to be the vigilante of ESO, bringing justice, or at least disregarded support tickets, to exploiters across Tamriel, then at least go to the effort of getting one of the multiple addons that shows you which buffs a player has active, including mundus stone(s).
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  • tordr86b16_ESO
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    People who are abusing this should get a 1st warning + 74 hour temp ban.
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    Two Mundus stones is not trivial at all, and the overload bug doesn't even come close to it. Justifying an exploit with another exploit is just...wow. People who exploit should feel bad. Can't wait until it's patched.

    Some of us have an unexplained bug that won't go away!

    But it actually is trivial compared to the K v z bug where his computer randomly stutters and then plows you with all his attacks at once. Saw a dress wearing NB that posts here very righteously attempt to do very same the other night. It's a bug I'm sure and by no means anyone's fault right?

    The entire "plot" of this thread is that a certain exploit had become so pervasive that nearly everyone was using it. There is a such a thing... as something becoming so abused that even the minority, that didn't receive participation trophies their entire life and end up with a self esteem so much higher than what the mirror shows, will cave and start using it. It's a bad sign, and double mundus is likely the tip of the iceberg.

    PS I'd take 10% crit or the ability to see all stealthers and not be able to be critted from stealth over 1kish in a stat any day. I guess your reasoning is you use the overload bug so it's trivial compared to double mundus.

    Oh please, I'm not talking about the people who have no control over them being bugged, I'm talking about the people who purposelessly do it.

    And no, I don't use the overload bug. Don't sit there and accuse me of exploiting **** just because you see I play a Sorcerer.

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_Brett on August 14, 2015 6:17AM
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  • Minnesinger
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    This is like tilting against the windmills. A fair percentage of the pvp population are playing as intended without all these double mundus, mitigation, overload bar exploits. What ever exploits there are. But then there are the ones jumping at every opportunity to get an advantage by exploiting every possible way. I certainly hope ZOS do notice who benefit PVP more.

    The ones who say they don´t know what way they got double mundus should report themselves in order to get it removed. In my opinion, if questioned everyone running double mundus says they didn´t intend to have it. If after a reasonable time frame they still have double mundus they should just be banned.

    Exploitation is so widespread. The secrets are freely discussed. There are players who test things to find loopholes in the game mechanics. In some cases they start using their findings. Remember how all the leaderboards of the trials had to be reset after they were so ridden with exploiting mechanics? I wonder how many doesn´t start pvp after reading this kind of crap happening in pvp?
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  • Garwulf
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    This is like tilting against the windmills. A fair percentage of the pvp population are playing as intended without all these double mundus, mitigation, overload bar exploits. What ever exploits there are. But then there are the ones jumping at every opportunity to get an advantage by exploiting every possible way. I certainly hope ZOS do notice who benefit PVP more.

    The ones who say they don´t know what way they got double mundus should report themselves in order to get it removed. In my opinion, if questioned everyone running double mundus says they didn´t intend to have it. If after a reasonable time frame they still have double mundus they should just be banned.

    Exploitation is so widespread. The secrets are freely discussed. There are players who test things to find loopholes in the game mechanics. In some cases they start using their findings. Remember how all the leaderboards of the trials had to be reset after they were so ridden with exploiting mechanics? I wonder how many doesn´t start pvp after reading this kind of crap happening in pvp?

    A friend did put in a ticket to have his extra ones removed( 5 in total). Then he found he could not have one.
    Sounds like a lot of bother to me expecially when the problem is really at ZoS' end.
    I go to a Mundas stone and it removes one and leaves the other.
    Why should I be required to put in a ticket for a ZoS problem especially when it may lead to another problem for me?
  • Minnesinger
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    Garwulf wrote: »
    This is like tilting against the windmills. A fair percentage of the pvp population are playing as intended without all these double mundus, mitigation, overload bar exploits. What ever exploits there are. But then there are the ones jumping at every opportunity to get an advantage by exploiting every possible way. I certainly hope ZOS do notice who benefit PVP more.

    The ones who say they don´t know what way they got double mundus should report themselves in order to get it removed. In my opinion, if questioned everyone running double mundus says they didn´t intend to have it. If after a reasonable time frame they still have double mundus they should just be banned.

    Exploitation is so widespread. The secrets are freely discussed. There are players who test things to find loopholes in the game mechanics. In some cases they start using their findings. Remember how all the leaderboards of the trials had to be reset after they were so ridden with exploiting mechanics? I wonder how many doesn´t start pvp after reading this kind of crap happening in pvp?

    A friend did put in a ticket to have his extra ones removed( 5 in total). Then he found he could not have one.
    Sounds like a lot of bother to me expecially when the problem is really at ZoS' end.
    I go to a Mundas stone and it removes one and leaves the other.
    Why should I be required to put in a ticket for a ZoS problem especially when it may lead to another problem for me?

    Because that way they know how you might have gotten it. They can maybe fix the problem when they know the root of it. Other players should also report you and in case you just happily run around with various mundus you should be banned :) I am happy to get rid of players who ignore exploits.
    Edited by Minnesinger on August 14, 2015 7:42AM
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  • Garwulf
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    Garwulf wrote: »
    This is like tilting against the windmills. A fair percentage of the pvp population are playing as intended without all these double mundus, mitigation, overload bar exploits. What ever exploits there are. But then there are the ones jumping at every opportunity to get an advantage by exploiting every possible way. I certainly hope ZOS do notice who benefit PVP more.

    The ones who say they don´t know what way they got double mundus should report themselves in order to get it removed. In my opinion, if questioned everyone running double mundus says they didn´t intend to have it. If after a reasonable time frame they still have double mundus they should just be banned.

    Exploitation is so widespread. The secrets are freely discussed. There are players who test things to find loopholes in the game mechanics. In some cases they start using their findings. Remember how all the leaderboards of the trials had to be reset after they were so ridden with exploiting mechanics? I wonder how many doesn´t start pvp after reading this kind of crap happening in pvp?

    A friend did put in a ticket to have his extra ones removed( 5 in total). Then he found he could not have one.
    Sounds like a lot of bother to me expecially when the problem is really at ZoS' end.
    I go to a Mundas stone and it removes one and leaves the other.
    Why should I be required to put in a ticket for a ZoS problem especially when it may lead to another problem for me?

    Because that way they know how you might have gotten it. They can maybe fix the problem when they know the root of it. Other players should also report you and in case you just happily run around with various mundus you should be banned :) I am happy to get rid of players who ignore exploits.

    It will be ZoS' loss if they ban me for their own' incompitence' not mine.
    In fact it is laughable if ZoS do not now know there is a problem and need me to tell them in order to fix it.
    This thread shows that the problem is very widely known just like many broken skills.
    Maybe I should get out my Dawn breaker (Smiting morph) ....I am getting killed too often by that broken skill in PVP. ;)
  • ToRelax
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    Ezareth wrote: »
    Mundus bug provides you with several thousand magicka or 5000+ penetration, or ~400 Magicka regen.

    Exactly, there is a reason you should only be able to choose one mundus stone unless you use the set. This is one of the most important choices in any build.
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  • ToRelax
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    Alcast wrote: »
    The double mundus bug is imo more beneficial to magicka builds due to the recovery you can get.

    Atronach isn't a bad choice for stam build either, not to mention there's serpent in 2.1.
    And they still didn't fix it on PTS unless something changed since yesterday...
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  • GRxKnight
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    This is like tilting against the windmills. A fair percentage of the pvp population are playing as intended without all these double mundus, mitigation, overload bar exploits. What ever exploits there are. But then there are the ones jumping at every opportunity to get an advantage by exploiting every possible way. I certainly hope ZOS do notice who benefit PVP more.

    The ones who say they don´t know what way they got double mundus should report themselves in order to get it removed. In my opinion, if questioned everyone running double mundus says they didn´t intend to have it. If after a reasonable time frame they still have double mundus they should just be banned.

    Exploitation is so widespread. The secrets are freely discussed. There are players who test things to find loopholes in the game mechanics. In some cases they start using their findings. Remember how all the leaderboards of the trials had to be reset after they were so ridden with exploiting mechanics? I wonder how many doesn´t start pvp after reading this kind of crap happening in pvp?

    Completely agree with you there...there are probably a lot of people who just happen to have multiple mundus stones, but haven't filled out a ticket at all...in hindsight these people are just as bad as those who intentionally exploited to get the benefits...sure you may not have gone out of your way to cheat but doing nothing and ignoring it lumps you in with the rest of the population
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    JDar wrote: »
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    @jules @Takllin You guys pats fans much?

    LoL I was wondering if that small comment would rustle some jimmies. I kid Tom Brady, I'm sure he is an amazing person.

    He's a cheater and so is the team he plays for. They were caught cheating. It's that simple.

    It has been well documented from numerous teams and players from other teams that a lot of quarterbacks do it. Just like players in this game. :)
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    WRX wrote: »
    Honestly we all know Tom Brady did not cheat and he will get cleared of it.

    I really thing the big issue here is the fact that people still can not admit that LeBron James is hands down the best number 23 to ever play the game of basketball, and does so without cheating.

    MJ has better stats, sure, but the game was much different then as well and not nearly as sophisticated. LBJ is the king of this generation and certainly of all the past generations, except MAYBE for Magic who also was a team player and truly versatile in what he did on the court.

    Nope. Tiger woods in his prime. He literally took off like a year of not playing before he lost number one in the WORLD. Not to mention he banged hot chicks.
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    Really? This is a question.

    Exploits are a meta, they are part of the game. They are practically skills at this point as ZOS never fixes them.

    GJ Zenimax really tuning up your game.
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    Sad to see so many players exploiting and then justifying themselves for doing so.
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    Alcast wrote: »
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    so, if you wear Twice Born... you get 3 stones?

    The idea is you somehow manage to remove Twice Born and keep the double mundus without needing the set. I have yet to see any proof outside of bugged unit frames. So far I have seen several visual bugs with all the popular Unit Frame addons - FTC / Srrendar / LUIe/ etc. What I have not seen are videos showing the multiple mundus application without wearing Twice Born via the character sheet.

    It is always "I know someone" or "I heard..." or "someone said they..." etc. I know that you can't remove armor during combat and you can't remove it when you are dead, so I don't see how the alleged way of doing it works. I can try again in Cyrodiil tonight but I think it's bs and predicated on misplaced trust in "he said, she said."

    I am being objective about it and until I see some actual proof, I will remain skeptical. Yes Rich addressed the issue without actually admitting what the issue is, that doesn't confirm or deny it's existence, rather it could be a unit frame display issue or an actual exploit. Afterall, I have screenshots of people who are vamp when they are not, multiple vamp stages at the same time, vamp and ww at the same time, etc.

    Ok here look:

    Equip Twice born star, go get 2 mundus. Die from smth, and while you are still a ghost remove the set and voila, 2 mundus without the *** set.

    Maybe I should make a video and post it in forum so ZOS can remove it and then they will fix it "maybe". Thats how i got some major bug fixed, only way actually lol

    @Alcast

    Maybe you should make the video. Because like combat, you can't change gear while dead. I tried it. It's not true. Also this doesn't explain the 3-6 mundus buffs people are reporting through UNIT FRAME addons. The one guy who posts a screenshot of his character doesn't even know if it's a graphical glitch or he actually has the buffs.

    Regarding the vamp / WW it's not an exploit, its a bugged unit frame. Please explain how I can be stage 2 Vamp and stage 4 vamp at the same time.... all of this is connected. Don't gloss over some of it just to ram the other part down as a verifiable fact. All of this crap is hearsay based on unit frames or he said she said.

    I took this screenshot today while pvping, tell me this dude is exploiting... I have seen similar junk on a lot of people, it's not the player, it's the addon. Notice how dumb these buffs are?
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    I got killed in pvp, nerf everything...
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    Humans amaze me.

    Someone is doing something immoral that gives them an edge.

    Therefore, you have to do it too?

    What happened to your disagreement that they should be doing it?
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