rfennell_ESO wrote: »Oh and Double Mundus? It's so trivial you can say big whoop to it. All the sorc cheaters using the overload bug with inner light and armor buff are worse. The artificial lag inducers that pollute Cyrondil and are respected as "great players" because they cheat are the worst though. But the worst of them all are the people that post here talking about fair play and not exploiting because they rock without it, but when you see them in game are cheap exploiting hacks... well, no one abusing double mundus ought even feel slightly bad about it when you have the real exploiters cheating their way to fame (of course only in their minds and the minds of young males who don't sexually identify yet due to never not soloing it).Honestly we all know Tom Brady did not cheat and he will get cleared of it.
I really thing the big issue here is the fact that people still can not admit that LeBron James is hands down the best number 23 to ever play the game of basketball, and does so without cheating.
MJ has better stats, sure, but the game was much different then as well and not nearly as sophisticated. LBJ is the king of this generation and certainly of all the past generations, except MAYBE for Magic who also was a team player and truly versatile in what he did on the court.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »
Haha I reported him for a week straight on double mundus because I knew he's a win at all costs type.(I was just guessing, never saw his stream).
So much for reporting people in this game doing anything at all.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »
Haha I reported him for a week straight on double mundus because I knew he's a win at all costs type.(I was just guessing, never saw his stream).
So much for reporting people in this game doing anything at all.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. You didn't even know someone was using an exploit and yet you reported them?
The ironic thing is in the same breath you wonder why ZoS doesnt do anything about /reports. I wonder if it perhaps has to do with the vast majority of reports being unsubstantiated...
I'm pretty against the double mundus thing, I think it's weak af, but you reported someone for a week straight with zero proof he was even using it other than "he seemed like the type"?
You know, sometimes I wonder why ZOS doesn't take exploiting reports more seriously, thanks for answering that question for me.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »
This is exactly what I'm talking about. You didn't even know someone was using an exploit and yet you reported them?
The ironic thing is in the same breath you wonder why ZoS doesnt do anything about /reports. I wonder if it perhaps has to do with the vast majority of reports being unsubstantiated...
It was always obvious regarding that particular cad. If you have pvped in games long enough you just know when something isn't kosher.
Thing is we have confirmation here that on his stream he is known to be using at least 2 exploits. Likely far more than just that.
This is regarding the most aggressive defender of himself here, past you. You can either read something into that or not.
I'm pretty against the double mundus thing, I think it's weak af, but you reported someone for a week straight with zero proof he was even using it other than "he seemed like the type"?
You know, sometimes I wonder why ZOS doesn't take exploiting reports more seriously, thanks for answering that question for me.
Meanwhile someone confirmed that he is. Pretty hard to "provide" proof in this game with the limited tools they give you to log anything. They claim they will "investigate" all tickets, if they actually did they would have seen double mundus, broken overload bug, werevamp, and probably a half dozen other things.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »Honestly we all know Tom Brady did not cheat and he will get cleared of it.
I really thing the big issue here is the fact that people still can not admit that LeBron James is hands down the best number 23 to ever play the game of basketball, and does so without cheating.
MJ has better stats, sure, but the game was much different then as well and not nearly as sophisticated. LBJ is the king of this generation and certainly of all the past generations, except MAYBE for Magic who also was a team player and truly versatile in what he did on the court.
I guess the question to ask is do you believe two equipment "manager" doofuses manipulated balls without Tom's knowledge? My answer is: not a snowball's chance in fiery hell.
Hard to compare Lebron in the age of zone D to MJ who played in the era of man to man D and could nearly always be isolated. Also keep in mind a legitimate strategy was to beat the crap out of someone until the NBA changed the rules in MJ's favor. The Pistons once had a D strategy called "Jordan Rules" that was basically force him to the middle so Rodman, Lambier and/or Mahorn could sledgehammer him to the floor. Players used to clothesline MJ as their foul... Point being it's pretty hard to make a comparison. I'd take a forward over a guard though, when it comes to a prolific scorer.
As for Magic, magic was always a defensive liability. A big smile seemed to charm people that should have been saying things like "he's a great offensive player, but". Then again, "showtime" didn't include much Defense.
Oh and Double Mundus? It's so trivial you can say big whoop to it. All the sorc cheaters using the overload bug with inner light and armor buff are worse. The artificial lag inducers that pollute Cyrondil and are respected as "great players" because they cheat are the worst though. But the worst of them all are the people that post here talking about fair play and not exploiting because they rock without it, but when you see them in game are cheap exploiting hacks... well, no one abusing double mundus ought even feel slightly bad about it when you have the real exploiters cheating their way to fame (of course only in their minds and the minds of young males who don't sexually identify yet due to never not soloing it).
DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Two Mundus stones is not trivial at all, and the overload bug doesn't even come close to it. Justifying an exploit with another exploit is just...wow. People who exploit should feel bad. Can't wait until it's patched.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Two Mundus stones is not trivial at all, and the overload bug doesn't even come close to it. Justifying an exploit with another exploit is just...wow. People who exploit should feel bad. Can't wait until it's patched.
Some of us have an unexplained bug that won't go away!
But it actually is trivial compared to the K v z bug where his computer randomly stutters and then plows you with all his attacks at once. Saw a dress wearing NB that posts here very righteously attempt to do very same the other night. It's a bug I'm sure and by no means anyone's fault right?
The entire "plot" of this thread is that a certain exploit had become so pervasive that nearly everyone was using it. There is a such a thing... as something becoming so abused that even the minority, that didn't receive participation trophies their entire life and end up with a self esteem so much higher than what the mirror shows, will cave and start using it. It's a bad sign, and double mundus is likely the tip of the iceberg.
PS I'd take 10% crit or the ability to see all stealthers and not be able to be critted from stealth over 1kish in a stat any day. I guess your reasoning is you use the overload bug so it's trivial compared to double mundus.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »
This is exactly what I'm talking about. You didn't even know someone was using an exploit and yet you reported them?
The ironic thing is in the same breath you wonder why ZoS doesnt do anything about /reports. I wonder if it perhaps has to do with the vast majority of reports being unsubstantiated...
It was always obvious regarding that particular cad. If you have pvped in games long enough you just know when something isn't kosher.
Thing is we have confirmation here that on his stream he is known to be using at least 2 exploits. Likely far more than just that.
This is regarding the most aggressive defender of himself here, past you. You can either read something into that or not.
I'm pretty against the double mundus thing, I think it's weak af, but you reported someone for a week straight with zero proof he was even using it other than "he seemed like the type"?
You know, sometimes I wonder why ZOS doesn't take exploiting reports more seriously, thanks for answering that question for me.
Meanwhile someone confirmed that he is. Pretty hard to "provide" proof in this game with the limited tools they give you to log anything. They claim they will "investigate" all tickets, if they actually did they would have seen double mundus, broken overload bug, werevamp, and probably a half dozen other things.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »
Two Mundus stones is not trivial at all, and the overload bug doesn't even come close to it. Justifying an exploit with another exploit is just...wow. People who exploit should feel bad. Can't wait until it's patched.
Some of us have an unexplained bug that won't go away!
But it actually is trivial compared to the K v z bug where his computer randomly stutters and then plows you with all his attacks at once. Saw a dress wearing NB that posts here very righteously attempt to do very same the other night. It's a bug I'm sure and by no means anyone's fault right?
The entire "plot" of this thread is that a certain exploit had become so pervasive that nearly everyone was using it. There is a such a thing... as something becoming so abused that even the minority, that didn't receive participation trophies their entire life and end up with a self esteem so much higher than what the mirror shows, will cave and start using it. It's a bad sign, and double mundus is likely the tip of the iceberg.
PS I'd take 10% crit or the ability to see all stealthers and not be able to be critted from stealth over 1kish in a stat any day. I guess your reasoning is you use the overload bug so it's trivial compared to double mundus.
Minnesinger wrote: »This is like tilting against the windmills. A fair percentage of the pvp population are playing as intended without all these double mundus, mitigation, overload bar exploits. What ever exploits there are. But then there are the ones jumping at every opportunity to get an advantage by exploiting every possible way. I certainly hope ZOS do notice who benefit PVP more.
The ones who say they don´t know what way they got double mundus should report themselves in order to get it removed. In my opinion, if questioned everyone running double mundus says they didn´t intend to have it. If after a reasonable time frame they still have double mundus they should just be banned.
Exploitation is so widespread. The secrets are freely discussed. There are players who test things to find loopholes in the game mechanics. In some cases they start using their findings. Remember how all the leaderboards of the trials had to be reset after they were so ridden with exploiting mechanics? I wonder how many doesn´t start pvp after reading this kind of crap happening in pvp?
Minnesinger wrote: »This is like tilting against the windmills. A fair percentage of the pvp population are playing as intended without all these double mundus, mitigation, overload bar exploits. What ever exploits there are. But then there are the ones jumping at every opportunity to get an advantage by exploiting every possible way. I certainly hope ZOS do notice who benefit PVP more.
The ones who say they don´t know what way they got double mundus should report themselves in order to get it removed. In my opinion, if questioned everyone running double mundus says they didn´t intend to have it. If after a reasonable time frame they still have double mundus they should just be banned.
Exploitation is so widespread. The secrets are freely discussed. There are players who test things to find loopholes in the game mechanics. In some cases they start using their findings. Remember how all the leaderboards of the trials had to be reset after they were so ridden with exploiting mechanics? I wonder how many doesn´t start pvp after reading this kind of crap happening in pvp?
A friend did put in a ticket to have his extra ones removed( 5 in total). Then he found he could not have one.
Sounds like a lot of bother to me expecially when the problem is really at ZoS' end.
I go to a Mundas stone and it removes one and leaves the other.
Why should I be required to put in a ticket for a ZoS problem especially when it may lead to another problem for me?
Minnesinger wrote: »Minnesinger wrote: »This is like tilting against the windmills. A fair percentage of the pvp population are playing as intended without all these double mundus, mitigation, overload bar exploits. What ever exploits there are. But then there are the ones jumping at every opportunity to get an advantage by exploiting every possible way. I certainly hope ZOS do notice who benefit PVP more.
The ones who say they don´t know what way they got double mundus should report themselves in order to get it removed. In my opinion, if questioned everyone running double mundus says they didn´t intend to have it. If after a reasonable time frame they still have double mundus they should just be banned.
Exploitation is so widespread. The secrets are freely discussed. There are players who test things to find loopholes in the game mechanics. In some cases they start using their findings. Remember how all the leaderboards of the trials had to be reset after they were so ridden with exploiting mechanics? I wonder how many doesn´t start pvp after reading this kind of crap happening in pvp?
A friend did put in a ticket to have his extra ones removed( 5 in total). Then he found he could not have one.
Sounds like a lot of bother to me expecially when the problem is really at ZoS' end.
I go to a Mundas stone and it removes one and leaves the other.
Why should I be required to put in a ticket for a ZoS problem especially when it may lead to another problem for me?
Because that way they know how you might have gotten it. They can maybe fix the problem when they know the root of it. Other players should also report you and in case you just happily run around with various mundus you should be bannedI am happy to get rid of players who ignore exploits.
Mundus bug provides you with several thousand magicka or 5000+ penetration, or ~400 Magicka regen.
The double mundus bug is imo more beneficial to magicka builds due to the recovery you can get.
Minnesinger wrote: »This is like tilting against the windmills. A fair percentage of the pvp population are playing as intended without all these double mundus, mitigation, overload bar exploits. What ever exploits there are. But then there are the ones jumping at every opportunity to get an advantage by exploiting every possible way. I certainly hope ZOS do notice who benefit PVP more.
The ones who say they don´t know what way they got double mundus should report themselves in order to get it removed. In my opinion, if questioned everyone running double mundus says they didn´t intend to have it. If after a reasonable time frame they still have double mundus they should just be banned.
Exploitation is so widespread. The secrets are freely discussed. There are players who test things to find loopholes in the game mechanics. In some cases they start using their findings. Remember how all the leaderboards of the trials had to be reset after they were so ridden with exploiting mechanics? I wonder how many doesn´t start pvp after reading this kind of crap happening in pvp?
Honestly we all know Tom Brady did not cheat and he will get cleared of it.
I really thing the big issue here is the fact that people still can not admit that LeBron James is hands down the best number 23 to ever play the game of basketball, and does so without cheating.
MJ has better stats, sure, but the game was much different then as well and not nearly as sophisticated. LBJ is the king of this generation and certainly of all the past generations, except MAYBE for Magic who also was a team player and truly versatile in what he did on the court.
so, if you wear Twice Born... you get 3 stones?
The idea is you somehow manage to remove Twice Born and keep the double mundus without needing the set. I have yet to see any proof outside of bugged unit frames. So far I have seen several visual bugs with all the popular Unit Frame addons - FTC / Srrendar / LUIe/ etc. What I have not seen are videos showing the multiple mundus application without wearing Twice Born via the character sheet.
It is always "I know someone" or "I heard..." or "someone said they..." etc. I know that you can't remove armor during combat and you can't remove it when you are dead, so I don't see how the alleged way of doing it works. I can try again in Cyrodiil tonight but I think it's bs and predicated on misplaced trust in "he said, she said."
I am being objective about it and until I see some actual proof, I will remain skeptical. Yes Rich addressed the issue without actually admitting what the issue is, that doesn't confirm or deny it's existence, rather it could be a unit frame display issue or an actual exploit. Afterall, I have screenshots of people who are vamp when they are not, multiple vamp stages at the same time, vamp and ww at the same time, etc.
Ok here look:
Equip Twice born star, go get 2 mundus. Die from smth, and while you are still a ghost remove the set and voila, 2 mundus without the *** set.
Maybe I should make a video and post it in forum so ZOS can remove it and then they will fix it "maybe". Thats how i got some major bug fixed, only way actually lol