Dracane wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

3. I have yet to see a NB running Path of Darkness. Nobody is going to run this ability in IC. You will aggro a mob and die. Sorry, but no. Shadow Cloak does not make you immune to targeting. You can still be charged or nuked or hit with various weapon skill abilities. Also AoE works against Cloak. Cloak is not immune to detecting pots. Gina Bruno even went on record saying this (yet it does not stop people like you from stinking the place up with their lying and whining). Radiant Magelight is not worthless you have a 12m radius against most NBs. This is rather huge.

Gina said THIS ? Gina Bruno ? Our Gina Bruno ? Bruno Mars>Mars is a planet> Planets are circles>A circle is a shape> a triangle is a shape> triangle=Illuminati= Gina Bruno=Illuminati ?

We're talking about this Gina Bruno ? I don't believe she said this

DDuke wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

So Nightblades are not immune to single target attack when I reveal them with flare ? Good to know

They are not, and they cannot even cloak for 8 seconds after being hit by one (read skill description).

I hope they add a similar stamina based ability, I would absolutely use it :P

BalticBlues wrote: »

The most gamebreaking NB feature to me still is endless invisibility.

I am playing no NB, so I do not know how you guys pull this trick. But yesterday, after being killed by a mob, I watched my team leader (NB) staying invisible/unnoticed inside the hostile mob for more than a minute - until finally the mob disappeared, so he could revive me.

Sorry, but IMHO endless invisibility inside a hostile mob is plain nonsense.
Do you know any other reasonable game where this is possible?

Suggestion: Make NBs visible to near NBs.
Yes, a gifted predator can hide from his prey - but not from other predators.

Xael wrote: »

Hopefully Devs will plug their ears and filter out the stupidity.

Vatter wrote: »

I see what your trying to do there. "derrrrrrp but your mixing stamina and magicka NB's!!!!!!!" It's obvious most of the NB's here don't know about the 30k stamina, 18k magicka, 22k health (while in cyrodiil), 25k+ armor penetration, CP magicka and stamina cost reduction, max physical damage, max spell reduction, tri pot builds. The ones who actually "know how to play" don't come on the forums talking about how OP it is. Your welcome.

Xael wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

The most gamebreaking NB feature to me still is endless invisibility.

I am playing no NB, so I do not know how you guys pull this trick. But yesterday, after being killed by a mob, I watched my team leader (NB) staying invisible/unnoticed inside the hostile mob for more than a minute - until finally the mob disappeared, so he could revive me.

Sorry, but IMHO endless invisibility inside a hostile mob is plain nonsense.
Do you know any other reasonable game where this is possible?

Suggestion: Make NBs visible to near NBs.
Yes, a gifted predator can hide from his prey - but not from other predators.

Let me list the games-

UO- casted stealth (anyone with a mage book)
DAOC- Realm alliance skill Vanish
WoW- Vanish, rogues
Warhammer- Stealth was castable anytime
Rift- Vanish
SWTOR- Vanish
ESO- Vanish

These are just a few of the games I have enjoyed the stealth gameplay in my 19 years of MMOing. The nuances of stealth gameplay change per game and over the years, However I have played very few games that haven't given stealthers what most consider the main reason to play them. Alpha strikes from stealth and a way to vanish mid combat.

People who don't enjoy that playstyle, and non-stealth solo players have always complained about it and will continue to do so.

Actually UO (outside of Magery) had the Hiding skill and Stealth skill which didnt have a cast time
DAoC Infiltrators, Scouts, Rangers, Nightshades, Hunters and Shadowblades all had a stealth ability
WoW, outside of Vanish, Rogues have perma stealth if they so choose, Hunters have Camo, Mages have invis.
Shadowbane, tons of stealth options.
Age of Conan, Assassins, Barbarians, and Rangers had stealth as well.

I agree with your post. People will always whine about what they don't have. People complained about bolt escape until it was nerfed into near uselessness and I forsee the same for this. Hopefully Devs will plug their ears and filter out the stupidity.

Robbmrp wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

If you haven't already I would highly suggest making or leveling up a NB for IC. It will be LIGHT YEARS beyond all other classes. lets take a look at why.

1. Most of the NB's are stacking armor penetration. All will have 25-30k armor penetration so even wearing 7 pieces of reinforced heavy armor and 100 CP's in heavy armor will give you no protection. Your armor will be reduced to 0.

2. Fear is without a doubt the best CC ability in the game. No other skill comes remotely close to it. It has a long animation so CC breaking is delayed and it even goes through block. THEN has an after effect of reduced speed AND reduced damage.

3. Shadow cloak mixed with path of darkness is the ultimate escape. You cannot target them, cannot attack them because they will be immune if you use detect pots, can't catch them (unless your a sorcerer then all you will be doing is aggroing npcs or use the insanely expensive retreating maneuver in which case you will just aggro npc's AND be short on stamina.) Mage light is worthless.

4. The damage reduction doesn't seem to be effecting the class at all. Because of the opportunity for so many escape options they are still stacking weapon damage through the roof. only requires an extra shot or (god forbid) 2.

5. Despite what many people try and say they can heal themselves more then fine. momentum, resolving vigor, resto staff bubble works better then my honor the dead.

LETS SUM UP.
1. unable to mitigate their damage
2. unable to block their damage
3. can't lock them down.
4. can't target them
5. best escapes (vanish)
6. cheapest ultimate
7. best mobility
8. best passives
9. able to fully heal themselves.
10. biggest damage dealer.

Definitely Roll a NB for IC. its a win.

I think a lot people are getting tired of this. except the nb community who of course will say L2P. To be quite honest I don't think I'll purchase IC with the state that classes are in. But thats just me.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, @ZOS_RichLambert, @ZOS_BrianWheeler

#1 above is why Armor Penetration needs to be a % value with a maximum. No amount of armor penetration a player has should EVER reduce another players armor to 0. Seriously what's the point in wearing any armor at all if this is going to be the case. This really needs to be changed with Imperial City otherwise the game will just continue to be broken.

What good is it to fix the issue with Sharpened Maces if players armor can still be dropped to 0??????

Either way, our armor will be worthless.

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

1. Any class can do this. (it's also getting fixed)
2. Petrify and Encase also work against blocking targets and unlike fear they can be used from range. Rune Prison is now instant cast which is pretty effective now since not many people hold block anyway (similar to agony).
3. There are many ways to break their cloak, gap closes, toss caltrops etc. It's also the classes main defensive ability...
4. Again, this is the same for all classes. Infact templar jabs damage doesn't get reduced by battle spirit as much as they should be (also getting fixed).
5. Once again, all classes can do this.

Farorin wrote: »

Haha, I can't wait until a bunch of noobs roll NB thinking it is going to be the best class for IC, only so that I can harvest their delicious tears of regret... *ahem* I mean, Tel Var Stones.

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

It might be hard to believe now, but vampire magicka templars will be the new KING of IC, just wait and see...[/b]

Yep, cos the layout of the IC clearly favours reliance on cast times, channels and low mobility even with vamp.

Or was that supposed to be sarcasm ?

• Buff stealth detection and you ruin all builds without stealth detection reduction or foot speed
• Nerf stealth detection reduction too far and you make it so a core class mechanic is unviable.
• If Stealth is uncountered the non NB is going to be dissatisfied at being helpless to attack an opponent
• If stealth is always countered the NB is going to be dissatisfied at a core class mechanic being unviable.

• Make changes to armor so that stealth detection reduction AND foot speed are not combined
• Reduce stealth detection reduction while adding contingencies to cloak if attacked, such as a shield while cloaked (shield problems aside), or more armor(armor pen aside), or other contingencies. The idea here is to provide a mitigating factor in case cloak is over countered such that even if it fails to provide stealth it will succeed in providing X instead of stealth.
• Reduce stealth detection reduction while also reducing detect pot time.