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lvling an alt with 300cp+ is absolutely meaningless
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I am V2 with the first alt I ever did.
I died twice on my way up and killed Molag Bal while on the phone spamming one key ( I can do the same with any world boss).
Am on Caldwell silver running from one skipped dialog to the next spamming impulse.
Can someone tell me where is the challenge, the gameplay, the reason for this meaningless chore ?!
The boredom I feel is no good for my long term comitment to this game.
The obvious and sensible solution would be to unlock for any v14 char with let say : 250 cp, a v14 alt with all fighting skills unmorph and 50 skill points. And a second one at 500 cp etc ... No alliance points however. Nor pvp skills.
There are no valid reasons whatsoever not to do this as the leveling of an alt is with this amount of cp is absolutely of no challenge and doesnt feel in any way like "playing" the game exept if you enjoy "god mode".
I died twice on my way up and killed Molag Bal while on the phone spamming one key ( I can do the same with any world boss).
Am on Caldwell silver running from one skipped dialog to the next spamming impulse.
Can someone tell me where is the challenge, the gameplay, the reason for this meaningless chore ?!
The boredom I feel is no good for my long term comitment to this game.
The obvious and sensible solution would be to unlock for any v14 char with let say : 250 cp, a v14 alt with all fighting skills unmorph and 50 skill points. And a second one at 500 cp etc ... No alliance points however. Nor pvp skills.
There are no valid reasons whatsoever not to do this as the leveling of an alt is with this amount of cp is absolutely of no challenge and doesnt feel in any way like "playing" the game exept if you enjoy "god mode".
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Yakidafi✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can do that without the CP.
But if the CP is the problem then your fix is to simply not assign any cp to your character
Edit: Seeing you are so bored of the solo play.Edited by Yakidafi on August 10, 2015 1:25PMMoons and sands shall be your guide and path.
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✭Challenge was lost about 1 year ago. CP has nothing to do with it. This game was challenging at PC launch but due to nerf/buff spree, challenge was lost.Edited by Sausage on August 10, 2015 1:30PM18 -
nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭Challenge was lost about 1 year ago. CP has nothing to do with it. This game was challenging at PC launch but due to nerf/buff spree, challenge was lost.
Remember when you actually had to use soul gems and you had to learn to fight. That nerf made the new players soft. I am happy to have the CP on my alts. Then you have the players who say I am bored. BUY A NEW GAME. Don't sit on just one all day and there are other games besides MMO's. Here is a short list for you; The Mass Effect trilogy, all the Fallouts, all of the REAL Elder Scrolls, all of the Bio Shocks. Feel free to complain in another thread about being bored I'll list a couple score more great games and series. Yeah its a jumble of replies but you get my point.Edited by nordsavage on August 10, 2015 1:37PMI didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.0 -
Winterpsy✭✭✭Anyone spending a bit on exploration and questing soon will get a mechanical advantage over regular mobs. ( I tried last time how long it'd take for a bunch of three wolves 3 levels under my full metal nord tank, to make any dent in his hp. They simply could not overcome the Health recovery. I healed more than the damage they did.
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I was dreaming about semi-instanced zones. That instead of pouring everyone into the same instance, let's get it segmented somewhat. (kind of a difficulty adjuster) You can select how many levels is the zone higher or lower than you (+1/2/3/4/5; -1/2/3/4/5) and you are dropped in with the other players who picked the same difficulty.
This would let casuals and hardcores have fun equally.Big fat Nord Dragon knight with a huge hammer. - Tank
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Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭nordsavage wrote: »Challenge was lost about 1 year ago. CP has nothing to do with it. This game was challenging at PC launch but due to nerf/buff spree, challenge was lost.
Remember when you actually had to use soul gems and you had to learn to fight. That nerf made the new players soft. I am happy to have the CP on my alts. Then you have the players who say I am bored. BUY A NEW GAME. Don't sit on just one all day and there are other games besides MMO's. Here is a short list for you; The Mass Effect trilogy, all the Fallouts, all of the REAL Elder Scrolls, all of the Bio Shocks. Feel free to complain in another thread about being bored I'll list a couple score more great games and series. Yeah its a jumble of replies but you get my point.
I hear you but fact is : after 25 years of playing games the only thing that get my interest is mmo and in mmo, the pvp aspect.
And for me atm Eso is the best. I dlike to enjoy pvp with some other class w/o having to waste hundreds of hours spaming one key.
I enjoyed the pve aspect of the game ONCE. I did all quests went to all group dungeon, now am done with that.
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Tors✭✭✭✭✭Step 1) People Cry that the game is too hard. Leveling is "impossible"
Step 2) Zos listens to the forums, forgetting that the people who are happy are playing the game not posting on forums
Result ) Game is made easier
Step 3) People complain game is too easy
Step 4) People that were happy leave
Step 5) Zos need to make game free to play
Step 6) Zos now in catch up mode because they listened to the forums and the 12 year olds who wanted it all now.
Precis
If there is no challenge, nothing to work towards ALL games become easy and stale. People know this, but they generally don't care. The average console player on envisages playing this game for a couple of months. So they should not be used as a poll to what PC gamers are after.Better late Than Pregnant....
The shadow cabinet, a group of people who pretend to have jobs they do not actually have
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dwtdwtdwt✭✭✭I never liked the idea of sharing the same amount of CP with your alts as you do with a main toon.
Here's my idea for Champion Points with concern to alt characters:
Every character you create accumulates CP. You can spend each CP you earn on a character, but not on all characters. Choose one character, or divide the points up between all your characters how you see fit.
For instance, you have three characters; a main toon, and two alts. You have 300 CPs to spend. You give your main toon 250 CP, and you split the other 50 points between your alts.
This will encourage everyone to concentrate on one toon as their main, which is how I always feel MMOs should be."Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato2 -
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✭✭Everything that isn't a Group Dungeon/Delve / Trials or DSA/vDSA is not a challenge....
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Tors✭✭✭✭✭Most of the group dungeons and delves are also soloable.
This is not surprising as they came out a year ago, we have all outleveled them. Either straight power on the characters or information on how each encounter worksBetter late Than Pregnant....
The shadow cabinet, a group of people who pretend to have jobs they do not actually have
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Reb✭✭✭I am V2 with the first alt I ever did.
I died twice on my way up and killed Molag Bal while on the phone spamming one key ( I can do the same with any world boss).
Am on Caldwell silver running from one skipped dialog to the next spamming impulse.
Can someone tell me where is the challenge, the gameplay, the reason for this meaningless chore ?!
The boredom I feel is no good for my long term comitment to this game.
The obvious and sensible solution would be to unlock for any v14 char with let say : 250 cp, a v14 alt with all fighting skills unmorph and 50 skill points. And a second one at 500 cp etc ... No alliance points however. Nor pvp skills.
There are no valid reasons whatsoever not to do this as the leveling of an alt is with this amount of cp is absolutely of no challenge and doesnt feel in any way like "playing" the game exept if you enjoy "god mode".
.and at no point did you consider not using the champion points ?
no one is forcing you to use them
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six2fall✭✭✭✭If you dont like/want champion points then simply dont use them. Some of us like them & use them to make the horrible grind on alts slightly less painful2 -
NGP✭✭✭I never liked the idea of sharing the same amount of CP with your alts as you do with a main toon.
Here's my idea for Champion Points with concern to alt characters:
Every character you create accumulates CP. You can spend each CP you earn on a character, but not on all characters. Choose one character, or divide the points up between all your characters how you see fit.
For instance, you have three characters; a main toon, and two alts. You have 300 CPs to spend. You give your main toon 250 CP, and you split the other 50 points between your alts.
This will encourage everyone to concentrate on one toon as their main, which is how I always feel MMOs should be.
You can leave your cp trees empty as you like. But please don't ask zos to take mine away.
Edited by NGP on August 10, 2015 3:07PM7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Personally I like it. I worked hard to earn those CPs, and I worked hard to reach veteran ranks. Why don't we deserve an extra boost the second time round? And if it bothers you, don't bloody use it.4 -
RSram✭✭✭✭✭The biggest problem with the PVE questing is that it is so easy that the players are not prepared for the campaigns in Cyrodiil and die extremely quick.0 -
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✭I am V2 with the first alt I ever did.
I died twice on my way up and killed Molag Bal while on the phone spamming one key ( I can do the same with any world boss).
Am on Caldwell silver running from one skipped dialog to the next spamming impulse.
Can someone tell me where is the challenge, the gameplay, the reason for this meaningless chore ?!
The boredom I feel is no good for my long term comitment to this game.
The obvious and sensible solution would be to unlock for any v14 char with let say : 250 cp, a v14 alt with all fighting skills unmorph and 50 skill points. And a second one at 500 cp etc ... No alliance points however. Nor pvp skills.
There are no valid reasons whatsoever not to do this as the leveling of an alt is with this amount of cp is absolutely of no challenge and doesnt feel in any way like "playing" the game exept if you enjoy "god mode".
1. Why did you assign the points?
2. Why didnt you reset them out after finding it too easy?
3.Why complain about something 100% your choice and try to ruin it for players who might enjoy it?
If options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!7 -
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✭nordsavage wrote: »Challenge was lost about 1 year ago. CP has nothing to do with it. This game was challenging at PC launch but due to nerf/buff spree, challenge was lost.
Remember when you actually had to use soul gems and you had to learn to fight. That nerf made the new players soft. I am happy to have the CP on my alts. Then you have the players who say I am bored. BUY A NEW GAME. Don't sit on just one all day and there are other games besides MMO's. Here is a short list for you; The Mass Effect trilogy, all the Fallouts, all of the REAL Elder Scrolls, all of the Bio Shocks. Feel free to complain in another thread about being bored I'll list a couple score more great games and series. Yeah its a jumble of replies but you get my point.
Go play the dungeons in IC in vet mode and tell me that the game is too easy. Better yet *solo* them, hot shot.1 -
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✭✭✭✭This will encourage everyone to concentrate on one toon as their main, which is how I always feel MMOs should be.
And there are plenty of other people who disagree. I run two accounts, eight characters on each account (both subbed) plus another character on EU for when NA/PC is undergoing maintenance.
Between all these various characters I have backstories, fanfiction, romance, family trees ... it's kind of scary, I suppose.
On the other hand, I've been playing for a year and a half, and my highest character is V2, just got another one to V1 last night. So for me, champion points are not much of an issue (I think I have maybe ... 20 or so).Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
VoidBlue✭✭✭✭if you didn't like it than you shouldn't of put a ring on it. oh oh oh ohhhhh oh oh oh .0
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Frawr✭✭✭✭✭I agree that it is too easy. It is not particularly difficult even without the CP.
An important aspect for new players is learning the targetting. This is second nature to many people but not to all. Once you master the controls, however, the game becomes incredibly easy.
Telling the OP to play without CP is ridiculous. The standard difficulty should be one whereby the majority of players are challenged. It is patently obvious that this is not the case when you run Vet dungeons and find 'tanks' that don't block or 'dps sorcs' that are holding a sword and shield.
Zenimax seems to target the game toward the lower end of the spectrum.
Easy combat
no consequence (not even RP consequence of choosing 'bad' responses! ala SWTOR)
Quest 'puzzles' are always incredibly easy to solve. Its insane how easy some of them are.
It is a shame.
Easy does not mean that people will keep playing.0 -
Pangnirtung✭✭✭✭✭I am V2 with the first alt I ever did.
I died twice on my way up and killed Molag Bal while on the phone spamming one key ( I can do the same with any world boss).
This game sounds too easy for you. I have enough difficulty as it is.
I wish that I could recommend something more to your ability.0 -
VoidBlue✭✭✭✭Quest 'puzzles' are always incredibly easy to solve. Its insane how easy some of them are.
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lol you say this, but ive watched 10 people trying to figure out a puzzle by randomly trying each until they get it right instead of actually looking around for the "key" on how to do it and get it right the first time.
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Well nobody said the people were smart...Quest 'puzzles' are always incredibly easy to solve. Its insane how easy some of them are.
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lol you say this, but ive watched 10 people trying to figure out a puzzle by randomly trying each until they get it right instead of actually looking around for the "key" on how to do it and get it right the first time.
Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
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There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
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✭Quest 'puzzles' are always incredibly easy to solve. Its insane how easy some of them are.
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lol you say this, but ive watched 10 people trying to figure out a puzzle by randomly trying each until they get it right instead of actually looking around for the "key" on how to do it and get it right the first time.
LMAO YES!! Rendering Flames in Stonefalls...I think the first and easiest in the game and yet zone chat: "how do I know what colors to make the pillars???"
If options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!1 -
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✭✭You can make the game harder on your own if you want...take off those fancy OP set pieces, remove the points and switch up your weapons. Just because a game gives you the means to be powerful doesn't mean you have to become so.
haha what about the moon phases puzzle? I sat back with my coffee watching this guy struggle with that one for 5 minutes before I showed him the way.Psychobunni wrote: »LMAO YES!! Rendering Flames in Stonefalls...I think the first and easiest in the game and yet zone chat: "how do I know what colors to make the pillars???"
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Saltypretzels✭✭✭✭CP, and you split the other 50 points between your alts.
This will encourage everyone to concentrate on one toon as their main, which is how I always feel MMOs should be.
Why should MMOs be this way? That sounds dull and a good way to get people to stop playing. Worst. idea. ever.4 -
Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭The beginning of the end for challenging fights in ESO whilst levelling was the complete anhillation of Doshia's self respect due to peeps who couldn't figure out how to beat harvester style daedra.
Now you can essentially one-shot her everytime.
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VoidBlue✭✭✭✭Dekkameron wrote: »The beginning of the end for challenging fights in ESO whilst levelling was the complete anhillation of Doshia's self respect due to peeps who couldn't figure out how to beat harvester style daedra.
Now you can essentially one-shot her everytime.
the snake woman thing? took me a couple tries but figuring out how to kill them is easy. at first i thought those bubbles were gonna explode on me so i ignored them completely and than her health went full again. so i decided to attack the bubbles and my health was full so i put two and two together and bam, easy fight now
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