"Collectible trophies can no longer be banked or traded to your other characters"
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Edited by ZOS_Tarina on August 7, 2015 8:49PM
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"Collectible trophies can no longer be banked or traded to your other characters" 193 votes
I don't care
24%
47 votes
I have the achievement, so this is irrelevant to me.
3%
6 votes
I can't wait to revisit old content with my main (or toon you have been collecting for) for a reasonable chance at a trophy drop from the needed mob.
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3 votes
Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.
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118 votes
LETS GRIND, ESO 2015!!!!!!!
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Maotti✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.The 4th one for sure!PC EU2 -
Tommy_valkyria✭✭✭LETS GRIND, ESO 2015!!!!!!!As a seasoned turn based Rpg gamer, zero problem with any sort of grind. I've actually done it for so long so many times.. Recently for example, I was about to walk into work and saw a tall plant that resembled jute, and began to quickly walk to it for a few steps. Yes, I have a problem.5
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WandaMey✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.Nice, till now I was happy each time I had one, trophy or fish. If I'd stay, I'd probably be frustrated for not getting them most of the time.2 -
Fissh✭✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.here is some already in action conversation on the matter
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2120172/#Comment_2120172
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Fissh✭✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.We need more votes! We don't want this to be in hind sight. Is grinding on your Main for trophies in old content what you really want to do?<X-Raided>2
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✭I don't careI really dont care if I can bank or trade them- All I want is just for them to be fixed so we can either-
1) 'Use' them or
2) Be credited it for them in some other way so I can remove them from inventory.
This I would just be happy with..2 -
Moonshadow66✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.Uhm.. ok. I guess when this gets implemented, I won't give a damn anymore. I'm not even close to have these achievements completed (only one by now!!), and since I also want to (and do) play my other characters and not only one all the freaking time, I passed new trophies along through the bank for my main to add it to the list. However, I definitely won't play my main anymore for personal reasons. If this was now all for nothing, then good night.Venus Ocean - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Gixia - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
Frances Demnevanni - Breton Dragonknight VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Raygee - Breton Nightblade VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
Lady Olivieri - Breton Nightblade VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Donna Demnevanni - Breton Templar VR16, DC, Tamriel Hero
Elaine Benes - Breton Templar VR16, EP | Ray McCluck - Breton Sorcerer VR16, EP
Moonshadow Demnevanni - Dunmer Dragonknight Lvl 50, EP | Jamie Stacey - Redguard Templar Lvl 50, EP
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newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What about
"just like looting everything in sight prior to justice system, I know I was taking advantage and I'll accept the change with good grace"Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.newtinmpls wrote: »What about
"just like looting everything in sight prior to justice system, I know I was taking advantage and I'll accept the change with good grace"
It's a little more aggravating than that, since some of the trophies are stupidly hard to get for certain factions and (again with some factions) you can level out of range for those trophies.3 -
Moonshadow66✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.newtinmpls wrote: »What about
"just like looting everything in sight prior to justice system, I know I was taking advantage and I'll accept the change with good grace"
What about "don't touch a running system"?
Venus Ocean - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Gixia - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
Frances Demnevanni - Breton Dragonknight VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Raygee - Breton Nightblade VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
Lady Olivieri - Breton Nightblade VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Donna Demnevanni - Breton Templar VR16, DC, Tamriel Hero
Elaine Benes - Breton Templar VR16, EP | Ray McCluck - Breton Sorcerer VR16, EP
Moonshadow Demnevanni - Dunmer Dragonknight Lvl 50, EP | Jamie Stacey - Redguard Templar Lvl 50, EP
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KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭It's been like that since I started playing in June or whatever. Why is it such a big deal now?0
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VoidBlue✭✭✭✭I don't careI just delete all my collectables and trophies I loot or get from quests. They seem pointless anyways.1
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Fruitmass✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.newtinmpls wrote: »What about
"just like looting everything in sight prior to justice system, I know I was taking advantage and I'll accept the change with good grace"
Looting houses prior to the justice system was in no way taking advantage of anything. It was and to a large extent still is a necessity in order to find cooking ingredients, recipes and motifs. ZoS officially stated that farming containers was not in violation of the ToS. Farming containers is no different than grinding levels.
Gathering creature trophies and farming containers don't even really have much in common with each other.
Items looted from houses:
1. Some items have cash value. Either to other players or as vendor trash.
2. Most items are tradeable.
3. Can be done at any level.
Creature trophies:
1. Only good for personal use, no cash value not even to vendors.
2. Untradeable to anyone other than your own characters (for now).
5. Subject to the 5 levels rule.
Remember early provisioning and how much of a pain it was to gather recipes and ingredients as a high level character because of the level/region restriction? Remember how your only options to get what you needed if you leveled past it were to find it on an alt or buy it from other players?
Well it's essentially the same problem but with an untradeable object that randomly drops from specific creatures which may not be available in a high enough quantity to be considered feasible (and no, one or two mobs tucked away in an instanced area is in no way feasible), if they're available at all.Edited by Fruitmass on August 9, 2015 6:51AMBeware all ye who log on for here there be typos...3 -
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✭I refuse to vote in any poll that refers to my character as a toon.Crotchety Old Man Guild
"Hey you, get off my lawn!"7 -
Azurulia✭✭✭I don't careUnless an achievement actually gave me something useful/fun/good, I never really cared to do any achievements in any game really. I personally find the whole concept of achievements silly and a big waste of time. What good is some achievement that doesn't do anything? Bragging rights?
I'll just let the competitionists have their fun since that is their thing. Which is perfectly cool, more power to them. As for me? No thanks, I'll pass.Edited by Azurulia on August 9, 2015 4:58AMCriminal Scum:
50 Breton Templar Healer: Olivine Azshara | 42 Orc Dragonknight Tank: Olivine Claremont | 50 Kahjiit Safe Cracker: Cracks-The-Safes | 50 Kahjiit Serial Killer: Cereal-The-Killer <Current Bounty: 1,231,318 gold>
"Whoever said crime doesn't pay clearly hasn't met Azu." -@Sloris0 -
Fissh✭✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.newtinmpls wrote: »What about
"just like looting everything in sight prior to justice system, I know I was taking advantage and I'll accept the change with good grace"
Looting houses prior to the justice system was in no way taking advantage of anything. It was and to a large extent still is a necessity in order to find cooking ingredients, recipes and motifs. ZoS officially stated that farming containers was not in violation of the ToS. Farming containers is no different than grinding levels.
Gathering creature trophies and farming containers don't even really have much in common with each other.
Items looted from houses:
1. Some items have cash value. Either to other players or as vendor trash.
2. Most items are tradeable.
3. Can be done at any level.
Creature trophies:
1. Only good for personal use, no cash value not even to vendors.
2. Untradeable to anyone other than your own characters (for now).
5. Subject to the 5 levels or less rule.
Remember early provisioning and how much of a pain it was to gather recipes and ingredients as a high level character because of the level/region restriction? Remember how your only options to get what you needed if you leveled past it were to find it on an alt or buy it from other players?
Well it's essentially the same problem but with an untradeable object that randomly drops from specific creatures which may not be available in a high enough quantity to be considered feasible (and no, one or two mobs tucked away in an instanced area is in no way feasible), if they're available at all.
Exactly.Unless an achievement actually gave me something useful/fun/good, I never really cared to do any achievements in any game really. I personally find the whole concept of achievements silly and a big waste of time. What good is some achievement that doesn't do anything? Bragging rights?
I'll just let the competitionists have their fun since that is their thing. Which is perfectly cool, more power to them. As for me? No thanks, I'll pass.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.KiraTsukasa wrote: »It's been like that since I started playing in June or whatever. Why is it such a big deal now?
It hasn't been that way on PC at all. Console players got this little bit of erratic weirdness earlier, and no one on this side of the fence knew it was coming until it hit the PTS.2 -
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Looting houses prior to the justice system was in no way taking advantage of anything.
Our opinions differ.
For me, it was a wrinkle (in a bad way) that went against my suspension of disbelief and made the world less real. Yes I can see looting camps or lairs - but to wander through a bank and check in every drawer? Unrealistic, but I was greedy enough to do it anyway. I was happy when it was removed from the world.
Same with trophies. I caught it on one character - trading it to another cheapens it, but I'm some greedy so I do it anyway. I'll be better off without it and the world will be a tich more real.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
Azurulia✭✭✭I don't careI refuse to vote in any poll that refers to my character as a toon.
That's fine. There are plenty of other people who will vote in your absence.
Criminal Scum:
50 Breton Templar Healer: Olivine Azshara | 42 Orc Dragonknight Tank: Olivine Claremont | 50 Kahjiit Safe Cracker: Cracks-The-Safes | 50 Kahjiit Serial Killer: Cereal-The-Killer <Current Bounty: 1,231,318 gold>
"Whoever said crime doesn't pay clearly hasn't met Azu." -@Sloris1 -
Fruitmass✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.newtinmpls wrote: »
Looting houses prior to the justice system was in no way taking advantage of anything.
Our opinions differ.
For me, it was a wrinkle (in a bad way) that went against my suspension of disbelief and made the world less real. Yes I can see looting camps or lairs - but to wander through a bank and check in every drawer? Unrealistic, but I was greedy enough to do it anyway. I was happy when it was removed from the world.
Same with trophies. I caught it on one character - trading it to another cheapens it, but I'm some greedy so I do it anyway. I'll be better off without it and the world will be a tich more real.
Personal opinion and a sense of realism is all well and good. Bear in mind though that you did at least have a choice in the matter. You could choose to participate or you could choose not to. Ultimately what you choose and why is up to you and that's fine. I'm not really debating personal preference.
By removing the ability to bank trophies ZOS is effectively removing that choice and potentially compromising the ability for some players to complete the associated achievements. This is what I take issue with.
The reason given for making the change wasn't because of technical reasons, a change in policy or concerns about possible exploitation. Rather it was because of confusion on part of the user about how collectables work. That's really not enough to justify a change that can potentially **** over a lot of people.Edited by Fruitmass on August 9, 2015 6:57AMBeware all ye who log on for here there be typos...1 -
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By removing the ability to bank trophies ZOS is effectively removing that choice and potentially compromising the ability for some players to complete the associated achievements. This is what I take issue with.
The reason given for making the change wasn't because of technical reasons, a change in policy or concerns about possible exploitation. Rather it was because of confusion on part of the user about how collectables work.
Sounds like an unintended glitch which is being corrected.
Compromising - or making more difficult.
Eye of the beholder.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
Fruitmass✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.newtinmpls wrote: »Sounds like an unintended glitch which is being corrected.
Meh. Likely has more to do with how they decided to make collectables register on pick up for consoles and on use for pc. Little details like that tend to get lost in translation and is likely the root cause of all the confusion.newtinmpls wrote: »
Compromising - or making more difficult.
Eye of the beholder.
More difficult I could deal with but if level restriction stays, hunting down some of those collectibles on my main is going to be pretty much next to impossible
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Edited by Fruitmass on August 9, 2015 7:09AMBeware all ye who log on for here there be typos...2 -
Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.As a confirmed alt-a-holic this kinda annoyed me too- Veteran Combat Librarian -1 -
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✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.
Trophies aren't registered until they're used. You can only use them once. There's no cheating or taking advantage, only grinding on character X instead of character Y. In the end only one of them ends up with the trophy. Do you know why it matters? Trophies are subject to the same rules as normal loot, so you can't get them if you outlevel the mob. This makes acquiring certain trophies very difficult or even practically impossible for some characters. Do you really want to grind DRAGONSTAR ARENA for kagouti and nix hounds when others can farm Stonefalls? In what universe is this fair?newtinmpls wrote: »
Also, I strongly dislike grinding. Transferrable trophies allowed me to loot them for my main while casually playing alts. It was fun and natural. Why change something that's fun to correct a dubious unfairness (while making it even more unfair)? I don't need more *** grinds in this game.Edited by Rosveen on August 9, 2015 8:47AM5 -
Skcarkden✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.Umm... so wait... I'm a PS4 user here and i have no idea about any of this... am i understanding this correct? Every mob drops a trophy and and if you are 5 levels above or below it you can not get that trophy anymore? And are all these mobs available at every level or are there some that i'll never ever be able to get anymore if i over leveled? Why doesn't it ever get explained in the game as opposed to assuming everyone knows the mechanics of mob looting, i knew about XP but not about loot having the 5 level rule.
Sounds quite dumb if you ask me. "We made trophies to add a new set of achievements for you to do, but we won't inform you about it when you start, because 'surprise' is a feature when you learn you've permanently missed your chance to get it done!"2 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭One of the devs came in another thread and said that they were looking at loot tables to make sure that you could get the trophies from something at any level. So you guys can get your panties out of a bunch.Edited by KiraTsukasa on August 9, 2015 9:03AM2
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Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.
Technically all mobs are available. In practice, some monster pockets are so small it will be very difficult to farm their already rarely dropping trophy if you outlevel their primary spawn area. Some of them are locked in group dungeons and DSA. Flesh atronachs, nix hounds... Even netches, though I guess there's always Coldharbor.Umm... so wait... I'm a PS4 user here and i have no idea about any of this... am i understanding this correct? Every mob drops a trophy and and if you are 5 levels above or below it you can not get that trophy anymore? And are all these mobs available at every level or are there some that i'll never ever be able to get anymore if i over leveled? Why doesn't it ever get explained in the game as opposed to assuming everyone knows the mechanics of mob looting, i knew about XP but not about loot having the 5 level rule.
Sounds quite dumb if you ask me. "We made trophies to add a new set of achievements for you to do, but we won't inform you about it when you start, because 'surprise' is a feature when you learn you've permanently missed your chance to get it done!"Edited by Rosveen on August 9, 2015 9:04AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.I swear, the past six months have been like watching the devs sit around a table with troll masks on snickering about who can come up with the worst, most customer-infuriating idea to one-up the last one.
I am convinced they WANT to p^%& us off at this point.7 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Do you really want to grind DRAGONSTAR ARENA for kagouti and nix hounds when others can farm Stonefalls? In what universe is this fair?
After the age of 6, my reasoning skills progressed past "it's fair" being the conclusion of my consideration. This is my first MMORPG and one thing I had to learn right away was that there are changes ... inherent to the genre ... so protesting any particular change is pointless. Maybe it will change later (back, or to something new). Maybe it won't.
I'm lucky enough NOT to be OCD enough to "have" to do everything, so I get to choose.
I hate grinding, so if that's the only way to "get" something, I will shudder and then move on to the things that are fun for me.
My literal answer to any question of where would I grind is - no - I don't grind/wouldn't grind.
On a slightly more deep level - Would I fight critters of my level in general than ones where I was over-leveled? - yes, fighting challenging opponents is more fun for me than a walk.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0