Whirling Blades range too short to connect with opponent.

kkampaseb17_ESO · August 2015

Atm you can be chasing someone and while your light/heavy attacks connect, your whirling blades do not. The range is that short that you literally have to be on top of someone's head if you want for it to land. I think the radius should be increased to 6-7 meters because atm this morph is not viable for any kind of PvP.

Laggus · August 2015

There is morph of that skill available that increases the range to 11 metres AFAIK.

kkampaseb17_ESO · August 2015

Laggus wrote: »

There is morph of that skill available that increases the range to 11 metres AFAIK.

Indeed and as it levels up it goes to 12.5meters range. Want to tell me now what is the purpose of an ability that doesn't hit anyone that is actually moving and it not rooted/stationary? So who is gonna use Whirling Blades and not Steel Tornado?

Whirling Blades range needs 1-2 meters increase so that it is viable (that means it will go from 5 meters.....yes 5 meters up to 6-7). Unless devs want Whirling Blades to be some kind of a "filler" ability that none uses and it just exists there with 0 purpose.

Laggus · August 2015

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

Laggus wrote: »

There is morph of that skill available that increases the range to 11 metres AFAIK.

Indeed and as it levels up it goes to 12.5meters range. Want to tell me now what is the purpose of an ability that doesn't hit anyone that is actually moving and it not rooted/stationary? So who is gonna use Whirling Blades and not Steel Tornado?

Whirling Blades range needs 1-2 meters increase so that it is viable (that means it will go from 5 meters.....yes 5 meters up to 6-7). Unless devs want Whirling Blades to be some kind of a "filler" ability that none uses and it just exists there with 0 purpose.

Well i'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, just pointing out there is a solution to using the morph already available which gives it a greater range. As things stand on live its the skill zergs use to spam as it is. If they increase the range whirling blades then its likely going to be a counter argument for who then will use the Steel Tornado morph!

Maulkin · August 2015

As Laggus said if you already equip DW all you have to do is change to the OP morph.

On the other hand all magicka AoEs are 6m at best and deal pitiful damage too. Whirling Blades still hits harder than Impulse or Wall of Elements and if spammed amidst many opponents the cost is almost 0.

If any change is meant to happen that is a reduction in Steel Tornado range, not a range increase for Whirling Blades.

PlagueMonk · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

As Laggus said if you already equip DW all you have to do is change to the OP morph.

On the other hand all magicka AoEs are 6m at best and deal pitiful damage too. Whirling Blades still hits harder than Impulse or Wall of Elements and if spammed amidst many opponents the cost is almost 0.

If any change is meant to happen that is a reduction in Steel Tornado range, not a range increase for Whirling Blades.

I ran WB for quite some time and unfortunately this is a false statement (unless there are a TON of mobs) Usually the stamina gain is minimal compared with the time you are actually using the skill. I finally abandoned it once 1.6 hit for ST that hit the entire screen......I can get better stam regen from other sources.

Zanen · August 2015

I've been asking for 7-8m on whirling blades for a long time, I think it's even more appropriate now with the changes to other abilities in update 7.

Even then giving up tornado would be a difficult choice, nobody's running whirling at 5m.

ToRelax · August 2015

Impulse has a 5m range and is still in use, just what is wrong with Whirling Blades then.

Xeniph · August 2015

Whirling Blade is a Pve morph, Steel Tornado is the Pvp morph.

Spec accordingly

vortexman11 · August 2015

What would you be doing spamming whirling blades on a single moving target anyways?

Zanen · August 2015

Xeniph wrote: »

Whirling Blade is a Pve morph, Steel Tornado is the Pvp morph.

Spec accordingly

I can't recall ever seeing anyone spec whirling blades for either.

Joy_Division · August 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Impulse has a 5m range and is still in use, just what is wrong with Whirling Blades then.

Impulse does less than half the damage and covers less than one-quarter of the area as Steel Tornado.

Emma_Overload · August 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Impulse has a 5m range and is still in use, just what is wrong with Whirling Blades then.

Impulse is 6 meters, and I can totally feel the extra meter. All the PBAOEs that are 5 meters or less are a pain because you can only use them in melee range.

Aimelin · August 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Impulse has a 5m range and is still in use, just what is wrong with Whirling Blades then.

Impulse is 6 meters, and I can totally feel the extra meter. All the PBAOEs that are 5 meters or less are a pain because you can only use them in melee range.

Considering that alot of "melee" weapon skills are 5m+ i don't really call that melee anymore.

you're wielding 2 weapons, not 2 500m long weapons.

Ishammael · August 2015

All of this immaterial.

OP chose the weaker of two morphs... And is complaining. Seriously, mate. Steel tornado is probably one of the most over powered skills in the game right now. Use it. 12m radius!! I remember when people used to complain about impulse 8m radius.

ToRelax · August 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Impulse has a 5m range and is still in use, just what is wrong with Whirling Blades then.

Impulse is 6 meters, and I can totally feel the extra meter. All the PBAOEs that are 5 meters or less are a pain because you can only use them in melee range.

Right, sorry. Well I wouldn't care if the weaker morph got that meter.

kkampaseb17_ESO · August 2015

People have to realize that this is a forum of constructive criticism and leave their butthurtness outside of the equation. The fact that one of the two morphs is not used in any scenario doesn't make this right because the second morph is OPed.

This is a thread on how to make the other morph a bit desirable. So take your butthurtness against Steel Tornado or stamina builds somewhere else thanks. This thread is dedicated on Whirling Blades and how it can become a tad more useful rather than something you wouldn't use whether Steel Tornado existed or not.

Laggus · August 2015

I thought it was too until your last post OP. I honestly have no idea why you feel any of the posts here are from anyone thats "butthurt". The argument has been made that you feel Whirling Blades needs more range. People have counter argued and given their opinions back, which you have asked for I might add. Be respectful please.

kkampaseb17_ESO · August 2015

Their reasoning is off and borderlines to the points of them being annoyed by Steel Tornado and not this ability in general which is passed down to their judgment. It shouldn't be compared with a magicka based ability never considering any secondary effects or anything giving reasoning that it already is doing "enough damage". Is that reasoning to you?

They gave reasoning that if you want range go with the other morph that already has 25 meters diameter while Whirling Blades has a 10 meters diameter. So to them an increase to 12-14 meters is game breaking and shouldn't happen because you already have a 25 meters morph so it is not justifiable? Is this reasoning?

Laggus · August 2015

Thats why there are different options with morphs though. If they were to be so similar as to have virtually little difference at all between them then just get rid one or the other and be done with it. When I was levelling Whirlwind my one and only goal was to get it to the Steel Tornado morph but I PvP only and thats just my take on the ability.

kkampaseb17_ESO · August 2015

Laggus wrote: »

Thats why there are different options with morphs though. If they were to be so similar as to have virtually little difference at all between them then just get rid one or the other and be done with it. When I was levelling Whirlwind my one and only goal was to get it to the Steel Tornado morph but I PvP only and thats just my take on the ability.

I don't see how increasing Whirling Blades into 14 meters is similar to a 25 meters diameter morph.

At its current form you cannot hit a target you chase although you can hit him with a 5 meter melee ability let's say Twin Slashes. So in the end for moving targets the area is less than 5 meters due to the lag and non-soft locked target ability.

dRudE · August 2015

Sharpened maces + steel ballerina = easy mode, currently.

If anything, steel tornado needs it's radius havled.

Laggus · August 2015

dRudE wrote: »

Sharpened maces + steel ballerina = easy mode, currently.

If anything, steel tornado needs it's radius havled.

Sharpened is fixed for next update and Steel Tornados range is fine as the otehr morph gives back stamina tornado doesn't. Its range is its morphs point. Also, "Steel Ballerina" made me laugh..hahaha. I vote to change its name to this in 1.7.

Teargrants · August 2015

Laggus wrote: »

dRudE wrote: »

Sharpened maces + steel ballerina = easy mode, currently.

If anything, steel tornado needs it's radius havled.

Sharpened is fixed for next update and Steel Tornados range is fine as the otehr morph gives back stamina tornado doesn't. Its range is its morphs point. Also, "Steel Ballerina" made me laugh..hahaha. I vote to change its name to this in 1.7.

Steel tornado range is fine? Ok just give me 12m impulse and we'll call it a day. Won't even ask for the bonus execute dmg.

Laggus · August 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Laggus wrote: »

dRudE wrote: »

Sharpened maces + steel ballerina = easy mode, currently.

If anything, steel tornado needs it's radius havled.

Sharpened is fixed for next update and Steel Tornados range is fine as the otehr morph gives back stamina tornado doesn't. Its range is its morphs point. Also, "Steel Ballerina" made me laugh..hahaha. I vote to change its name to this in 1.7.

Steel tornado range is fine? Ok just give me 12m impulse and we'll call it a day. Won't even ask for the bonus execute dmg.

You already have bolts of lighting coming out yer butt..your fine!

Teargrants · August 2015

Laggus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Laggus wrote: »

dRudE wrote: »

Sharpened maces + steel ballerina = easy mode, currently.

If anything, steel tornado needs it's radius havled.

Sharpened is fixed for next update and Steel Tornados range is fine as the otehr morph gives back stamina tornado doesn't. Its range is its morphs point. Also, "Steel Ballerina" made me laugh..hahaha. I vote to change its name to this in 1.7.

Steel tornado range is fine? Ok just give me 12m impulse and we'll call it a day. Won't even ask for the bonus execute dmg.

You already have bolts of lighting coming out yer butt..your fine!

What does my flatulence have to do with anything? We're talking about in game, dude. Even thunder gods are not immune to del taco.

AssaultLemming · August 2015

Steel tornado needs its range nerfed hard, it's ridiculously op.

TBois · August 2015

I was thinking about using whirling blades, since caltrops doesn't proc ravaging anymore and steel tornado has too large of a radius to proc it. After using it in the PTS I decided not to though. If it was increased to 6m I would probably use it, but 5m is too small for me

cschwingeb14_ESO · August 2015

Steel tornado: 8m
Base and other morph: 6m

Why is this even a discussion? All other range improving morphs only give 2m. Going out to 12.5m is just stupid. At 8m steel tornado would still be an amazing ability.

There are a few other pbae abilities that start at 8m, but they don't have a range increasing morph.

Derra · August 2015

Personally i think they should give every aoe in the game atleast 6m baserange. Be it casted OR ground targetted - also pbaoe and heals. Some might even need 8m baserange to be vaible.

Maulkin · August 2015

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

Steel tornado: 8m
Base and other morph: 6m

Why is this even a discussion? All other range improving morphs only give 2m. Going out to 12.5m is just stupid. At 8m steel tornado would still be an amazing ability.

There are a few other pbae abilities that start at 8m, but they don't have a range increasing morph.

This

Slightly Buff Whirling Blades, and nerf that complete OPness that is a 12m range, double execute , AoE.

8m is still more than all meaningfull AoEs, like Impulse or Talons