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Respawn Platform Sniping
Ethoir
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This is related to this thread where you could gank at the "spawn doors". But this time it is in reverse and doesn't involve the district-to-district doors. Instead, it involves the respawn locations for each faction. The second-floor spot you jump down from after dying to re-enter the battle.
For example, take the AD respawn zone in the Noble District. You aren't protected from being AoE or Snipe ganked by players on the ground if they have a good enough eye, but by that same token you can park your arse up there and attempt to snipe gank anyone that gets within range. It works both ways, but mostly in the favor of the guy on that respawn platform doing the camping.
It shouldn't take an alchemist to figure out how bad this is. If players can camp up on those respawn zones and snipe enemy players that get too close, it could lead to "risk free" Tel Var farming. The best counter to this is to keep your group well away from enemy respawn platforms to force them to jump down and engage you in a traditional manner. However, for the most part this should be fairly simple to fix.
That purple glow effect, that War Truce buff/debuff that prevents you from using skills and from being attacked. If this was put on everyone up on those platforms and only dissipated when they jump down, that can straight up force players to jump down to fight instead of camp up there like a traditional sniper waiting for a mark.
Please consider ways to discourage such behavior. It feels so cheap to sit up there sniping enemy players on the ground and not engage in the same risk of losing your TV stones as everyone else.
Edited by Ethoir on August 5, 2015 9:03AM For example, take the AD respawn zone in the Noble District. You aren't protected from being AoE or Snipe ganked by players on the ground if they have a good enough eye, but by that same token you can park your arse up there and attempt to snipe gank anyone that gets within range. It works both ways, but mostly in the favor of the guy on that respawn platform doing the camping.
It shouldn't take an alchemist to figure out how bad this is. If players can camp up on those respawn zones and snipe enemy players that get too close, it could lead to "risk free" Tel Var farming. The best counter to this is to keep your group well away from enemy respawn platforms to force them to jump down and engage you in a traditional manner. However, for the most part this should be fairly simple to fix.
That purple glow effect, that War Truce buff/debuff that prevents you from using skills and from being attacked. If this was put on everyone up on those platforms and only dissipated when they jump down, that can straight up force players to jump down to fight instead of camp up there like a traditional sniper waiting for a mark.
Please consider ways to discourage such behavior. It feels so cheap to sit up there sniping enemy players on the ground and not engage in the same risk of losing your TV stones as everyone else.
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Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The solution to this: Do not spawn camp and try to farm people while they jump down from the respawn platform.
As far as I know, there are no objectives within the range of said platforms except for the roamer bosses that can wander near there.
If any, change the platforms so that you can only gank from top down, not vice versa. Spawn camping has to be punished.Edited by Leandor on August 5, 2015 10:05AM3 -
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"Whahhh I cant spawn camp, nerf it zos, nerf it into the ground, whatever shall i do if i cant spawn camp or horsesnipe people" *stamp feet^
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✭What I hear from this thread
"Whahhh I cant spawn camp, nerf it zos, nerf it into the ground, whatever shall i do if i cant spawn camp or horsesnipe people" *stamp feet^
Seriously, just dont stand there
this.
you do not want to get "farmed" at THEIR spawn points?
hmm that could be easily fiixed do not go there in the first place...spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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Ethoir✭✭✭I am talking about you, being able to snipe them from your spawn point. Not you sniping them at their spawn point. Opposite problem. Since you could farm NPCs nearby for TV stones all day from up there like a cheapskate, maybe kill a few players, and only have to worry about being counter-sniped or meteor'd.Edited by Ethoir on August 5, 2015 10:04AMParticipant in the Sanguine's Tester beta group since November 2013.0
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Spawn points should be able to be defended, so I think this is actually working well. If the other players don't want to be sniped from your spawn point, they shouldn't be going near it. NPCs shouldn't be able to be farmed from a spawn point though, as they are not supposed to engage in combat if they cannot reach their attacker.I am talking about you, being able to snipe them from your spawn point. Not you sniping them at their spawn point. Opposite problem. Since you could farm NPCs nearby for TV stones all day from up there like a cheapskate, maybe kill a few players, and only have to worry about being counter-sniped or meteor'd.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Spawn points should be able to be defended, so I think this is actually working well. If the other players don't want to be sniped from your spawn point, they shouldn't be going near it. NPCs shouldn't be able to be farmed from a spawn point though, as they are not supposed to engage in combat if they cannot reach their attacker.I am talking about you, being able to snipe them from your spawn point. Not you sniping them at their spawn point. Opposite problem. Since you could farm NPCs nearby for TV stones all day from up there like a cheapskate, maybe kill a few players, and only have to worry about being counter-sniped or meteor'd.
Some of them are able to return fire though. And if you have enough of a burst DPS, it won't matter because you'd drop them before they reset anyway. They need to fix that. The ranged NPC's should be replaced with melee NPCs near those respawn points so they will reset instead of run closer to wave their magic stick in your direction.Participant in the Sanguine's Tester beta group since November 2013.0 -
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Yes, I was also talking about that.I am talking about you, being able to snipe them from your spawn point. Not you sniping them at their spawn point. Opposite problem. Since you could farm NPCs nearby for TV stones all day from up there like a cheapskate, maybe kill a few players, and only have to worry about being counter-sniped or meteor'd.
It is good and important that a freshly respawned player can defend his respawn location more or less untargetable by opponents. This is the most simple method to discourage spawn camping and much preferable over artificial protection like an invulnerability shield for x seconds. Spawn camping is a very unbalanced method since the spawning player does not have any opportunity to "buff up".
Now as to your second point, I agree that TV stone farming by standing on top of the spawn zone and ranging down mobs it a bad mechanic and should be controlled. One option you already gave: change all mobs in range of the platforms to melee and let them reset quickly. Another option would be to generally make it that you have to "loot" NPCs to get their stones. That way you could snipe all day any day and only able to get the stones after you jumped down, thus giving up your secure location.
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I think this would be a great idea, and I suggested it over on the stones feedback thread as well. Leave the PvP stones as they are, but it'd be great to actually see the stones when you get them off NPCs.Another option would be to generally make it that you have to "loot" NPCs to get their stones.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Didn't read that thread, sorry for copying your idea
I think this would be a great idea, and I suggested it over on the stones feedback thread as well. Leave the PvP stones as they are, but it'd be great to actually see the stones when you get them off NPCs.Another option would be to generally make it that you have to "loot" NPCs to get their stones.
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Not at all, I always think an idea becomes more credible if two people come up with it entirely independently
Didn't read that thread, sorry for copying your idea
I think this would be a great idea, and I suggested it over on the stones feedback thread as well. Leave the PvP stones as they are, but it'd be great to actually see the stones when you get them off NPCs.Another option would be to generally make it that you have to "loot" NPCs to get their stones. UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Beesting✭✭✭✭I think the spawn points of the different factions are too close together
Like in the memorial district, i spent there 2 hours on ad side and all that was happening was people running 50 meters max to the left to kill the dc players and vice versa
What a waste of the rest of the map, and it got boring real fast.
Maybe in a group you can decide to go somewhere else in the district, but most solo pvp-ers (part time mindless zergers) will just see the same 50 meters of street all afternoon long. Bit like pushing ash from nikel but without the interesting choke points in between....Beesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
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@Leandor Check it out; a way to have this for PvP as well -> Tel Var Tombstones - An Alternative to Autolooting
Not at all, I always think an idea becomes more credible if two people come up with it entirely independently
Didn't read that thread, sorry for copying your idea
I think this would be a great idea, and I suggested it over on the stones feedback thread as well. Leave the PvP stones as they are, but it'd be great to actually see the stones when you get them off NPCs.Another option would be to generally make it that you have to "loot" NPCs to get their stones.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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