Imperium Set as OP as Whitestrakes?

Alcast · August 2015

15 Seconds cooldown seems way too low given the Shield you AND your allies recieve

combined with whitestrakes set (depending on if there is jewelry for Imperium or not)

whitestrakes is already one of the most OP sets in game as it is safing ppls asses way too often

Maulkin · August 2015

The block-holding tanking meta is dead. Long live the bubble tank

olsborg · August 2015

15 seconds is too short, both for whitestr and the new set.

Septimus_Magna · August 2015

If there's jewelry for the Imperium set (which I dont think there is) this could be a great combo for a magicka tanks.

Fecius · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

15 Seconds cooldown seems way too low given the Shield you AND your allies recieve

combined with whitestrakes set (depending on if there is jewelry for Imperium or not)

whitestrakes is already one of the most OP sets in game as it is safing ppls asses way too often

There is no Jew for those sets. ZOS said that all new sets are 7 parts sets. Jew sets made of 3 items with usefull stats will be found in Treasure Vaults.

Rinmaethodain · August 2015

Where does this set of imperium come from?

actosh · August 2015

White Gold Towwr or Imperial Prison.
I think In pvp the reduced shiel strengh also counts for it.
havent testet whitestrakes yet.

Alcast · August 2015

olsborg wrote: »

15 seconds is too short, both for whitestr and the new set.

They should increase it to 30s or 45s i guess.

Rinmaethodain · August 2015

Someone forgots that if player chooses a certain set. For example a whitestreake. He pays for the "shield that saves his ass many time" with not getting other set that would for example greatly increase his DPS.

But it seems that PVP DPS will have problem with EVERYTHING that can save someone even a little bit from one shot KO PVPers macro and if this happens we end up with topic like OPs.

#NBmasterrace #nerfeverything

aco5712 · August 2015

is that 11340 including the cyro buff? coz thats like a 22k+ shield outside if it is.... is it only heavy armour?

Alcast · August 2015

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Someone forgots that if player chooses a certain set. For example a whitestreake. He pays for the "shield that saves his ass many time" with not getting other set that would for example greatly increase his DPS.

But it seems that PVP DPS will have problem with EVERYTHING that can save someone even a little bit from one shot KO PVPers macro and if this happens we end up with topic like OPs.

#NBmasterrace #nerfeverything

If it stays as OP as it is i do not give a freaking shizzle about my Weap dmg bc I will use that set, Weap dmg isnt really important as long as i have 100% Penetration lololol

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

aco5712 · August 2015

whitestrakes is pretty bad now with the shield nerf... it only gives a 5k dmg shield which is like one attack haha.

Alcast · August 2015

aco5712 wrote: »

whitestrakes is pretty bad now with the shield nerf... it only gives a 5k dmg shield which is like one attack haha.

well depends on how much less dmg you actually do...but you might be right + the chance to crittable shields might make it even less useful. Espeically if the dmg hits you in the face unmitigated after the shield is gone

Xsorus · August 2015

This feels like a zerg ball set

ToRelax · August 2015

Xsorus wrote: »

This feels like a zerg ball set

Exactly my thought.
In small scale, this proc chance would be a joke for what it provides and at what cost it comes.

Rinmaethodain · August 2015

Whitstreake is nothing near OP in Cyriodiil, after shield nerf of course, 5k shield is a joke (Fortunately its limited only to PVP).

Whistestreake anywhere outside of cyriodiil 10080 damage shield.

Whitestreake in cyriodiil 5040 damage shield.

Whitestreake in IC alliance base and sewers and districts 5040 damage shield.

Whitestreake in PVE new dungeons (prison and white gold tower) 10080 damage shield.

SO DEPENDING ON WHERE DID OP DISPLAYED THE SET OF IMPERIUM the stats will vary (damage shield sets tooltip do update according to if they are being reduced by "battle spirit buff"

If OP linked that item from screenshot while being inside of dungeon then the damage shield of 11340 will be reduced to half of it in any PVP area.

And form the look of very small screenshot OP provided i feel like he is linking it straight from the dungeon. This means that in PVP the Imperium set shield will be reduced to 5670.

Alcast · August 2015

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Whitstreake is nothing near OP in Cyriodiil, after shield nerf of course, 5k shield is a joke (Fortunately its limited only to PVP).

Whistestreake anywhere outside of cyriodiil 10080 damage shield.

Whitestreake in cyriodiil 5040 damage shield.

Whitestreake in IC alliance base and sewers and districts 5040 damage shield.

Whitestreake in PVE new dungeons (prison and white gold tower) 10080 damage shield.

SO DEPENDING ON WHERE DID OP DISPLAYED THE SET OF IMPERIUM the stats will vary (damage shield sets tooltip do update according to if they are being reduced by "battle spirit buff"

If OP linked that item from screenshot while being inside of dungeon then the damage shield of 11340 will be reduced to half of it in any PVP area.

And form the look of very small screenshot OP provided i feel like he is linking it straight from the dungeon. This means that in PVP the Imperium set shield will be reduced to 5670.

I get your point, tho damage you do on PTS will be less than currently on Live, which means it is basically not a 50% nerf.

5k Shield doenst seem a lot but if your skills also do less dmg than before it is kinda the same shizzle as on life. Tho i wouldnt put my hand into the fire bc I couldnt not test it yet.

Rinmaethodain · August 2015

The tooltip of imperium set is quite not precise.

Grand shield to nearby allies. How many allies? How close they have to be? Do they have to be in your group? Is there limit on how many allies will get the shield?

Alcast · August 2015

MaximusDargus wrote: »

The tooltip of imperium set is quite not precise.

Grand shield to nearby allies. How many allies? How close they have to be? Do they have to be in your group? Is there limit on how many allies will get the shield?

It will be fun to test the new sets, I am pretty sure 70% of those sets will be somehow buggy anyway at start xD

Kas · August 2015

i don't really want to face a 24-man blob running this set on 10+ chars. sounds pretty OP on paper...

Rinmaethodain · August 2015

Kas wrote: »

i don't really want to face a 24-man blob running this set on 10+ chars. sounds pretty OP on paper...

There have been inconsistencies in set description already, what we need here is @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom to consult with dev team and for example clarify if there is an internal limit how many people can be given the shield.
Unless some player will test it on PTS

Francescolg · August 2015

You already can get 8% more stamina regen, 5% magicka, etc. etc., as for group buffing sets, and these are PERMANENT buffs to a party. Large organized raids already use those.

Ultimates AND the permanent use (spam) of synergies are enough group-supporting/synergizing abilities! There is no necessity for more Item-Sets, which favor "large group play" as the "one and only" way to do PvP in this game, which would be boring as hell.

To the people complaining about single players in Whitestrake: There is a reason there are executing skills in this game! (vs. healing ward, vs. whitestrake, etc.). Executioners are made exactly to combat low HP targets, who try to survive through absorb shields. Whiterstrake LA (patch 1.6) is one of a few ways to defend against dmg-maximizing archers.

(I presume, the sorcerer mentioned used hardened ward [~14k], LA-shield [~10k+] and a buffed whitestrake proc shield [~14k]. This is why, actually / but only against sorcs, the high-damage skills in this game ARE necessary, as you need strong Jesus Beams&Executioners.. Unfortunately, there are not just sorcerers but also healers in light armor, etc..)

Robbmrp · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

15 Seconds cooldown seems way too low given the Shield you AND your allies recieve

combined with whitestrakes set (depending on if there is jewelry for Imperium or not)

whitestrakes is already one of the most OP sets in game as it is safing ppls asses way too often

If these two sets can be combined then there's no end to a shield someone can have. With class shields, it's possible for people to have up to 5 shields(barrier,Imperium, Whitestrake,class, healing ward) available. And we think that it's hard to kill the shield stackers now..... this will be a complete joke....

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please confirm that there will be no jewelry for the Imperium set. Shield stacking is already way OP to be allowed in the game as is. We shouldn't be able to combine two shielding sets in the game IMO.

Cinbri · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

The block-holding tanking meta is dead. Long live the bubble tank

Agree, and does this set have weapon/shield parts? If no - it is not that good as Whitestrike and mostly for group play.

AbraXuSeXile · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Someone forgots that if player chooses a certain set. For example a whitestreake. He pays for the "shield that saves his ass many time" with not getting other set that would for example greatly increase his DPS.

But it seems that PVP DPS will have problem with EVERYTHING that can save someone even a little bit from one shot KO PVPers macro and if this happens we end up with topic like OPs.

#NBmasterrace #nerfeverything

If it stays as OP as it is i do not give a freaking shizzle about my Weap dmg bc I will use that set, Weap dmg isnt really important as long as i have 100% Penetration lololol

I laughed.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

timidobserver · August 2015

It is heavy armor so I am okay with it. Whitestrake's is a bail out set. You are guaranteed to live through initial burst. This set is more rng based.

Armitas · August 2015

That shield is as big as my live igneous shield after health focus and CP... Totally going back to my buff bot build with this. It will be good to find some employment for my dk after this goes live.

Is it a flat bubble or is it based on health and cp?

Emma_Overload · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

15 seconds is too short, both for whitestr and the new set.

They should increase it to 30s or 45s i guess.

LOL, in what universe would that be an IMPROVEMENT? Basically what I inferred from your OP is that you have no intention of wearing these sets yourself, so you think they should be nerfed for everyone else.

Did it occur to you that players other than yourself might be counting on these sets to survive tough boss encounters, especially considering the fact that blocking is going to be a luxury now instead of a core combat mechanic?

Alcast · August 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

15 seconds is too short, both for whitestr and the new set.

They should increase it to 30s or 45s i guess.

LOL, in what universe would that be an IMPROVEMENT? Basically what I inferred from your OP is that you have no intention of wearing these sets yourself, so you think they should be nerfed for everyone else.

Did it occur to you that players other than yourself might be counting on these sets to survive tough boss encounters, especially considering the fact that blocking is going to be a luxury now instead of a core combat mechanic?

If they will not nerf those I will wear them in the next patch, at least whitestrakes, tho first have to see how this shieldnerf is going to affect those sets

Just not gonna craft new gear now that v16 is incoming and as PTS is here to check stuff, why not create a thread about stuff that i think is OP.