Yonkit wrote: »

Isn't this coming from the faction that stacked 100+ people in Alessia and spammed meteors repeatedly to protect their last emp keep for days when tripwyre was emp? Now they're complaining about griefing? How cute.

I'm as nonplussed by nefarious scroll captures as the next, but yellow on haderus have been about as anti-competitive as possible for the past few weeks, so any protestations from them should simply fall on deaf ears as they nightcap the server once again.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

Oh you mean the yellows that had to fight NPK, Nemesis, VE, Havok (who came back just for that), and GoS all at the same keep?

The same yellows that had to fight the reds and blues coordinating to hit opposites sides of the keep at the same time, only to lag it to *** to where they couldn't even siege the inner? (We were later messaged by reds saying they wished they didn't try that and just do it themselves)

The same yellows that had a total of 40 organized players there (20 Deci, 20 from a guild formed that week named PUGs)

Yeah, those yellows.

RIP

Rylana wrote: »

MAOofDC wrote: »

So Today 8/2/15 at about 8pm EDT AD was retaking Alessia back from DC. Some guy who wasn't in any of the AD groups rushed in and grabbed the scroll just before it was flipped and proceeded to run it towards the blues. We followed asking him in zone chat and tells what the hell he was doing. He didn't respond to us, and the blues didn't attack him but did everything they could to slow us down. When he was finally too far away from us to pick it back up he stopped and they killed him and got the scroll. Only after I told him that I reported him did he respond by calling me names and admitted that indeed he was a DC player running an alt with the express purpose of helping DC recapture the scroll. He even bragged about being the best DC player on the NA server. One has to wonder how good someone really is if they need to cheat to achieve their goals. He then proceeded to tell me that it happens all the time and there wasn't a damn thing we could do about it but only after he heaped some more abusive language on me.

People who do this *** need to be banned!!! Griefing is not allowed according to the rule laid out by ZoS. But since ZoS couldn't be damned according to him he will escape punishment. But I'm sure is I named and shamed him on the forums my ass would feel the ban hammer double quick.

Or maybe AD can stop nightzerging the map and causing haderus to have to be remade into a competitive situation EVERY GODDAMNED DAY

I have no sympathy for anything that happens to AD on haderus, and in fact i find it hilarious it wasnt me. I used to do stuff like that, just to *** off the zergball, because screw the zergball.

Really if AD only night zerged then why did we have an Emp who was crowned for 3 days? Also since you were not there I'll inform you the *** didn't need to do what he did given just 10 or 15 more minutes there was a good chance that Team Purple would have taken both the keep and the scroll as is. What was really going on is that the blues were mad that 24 people repulsed their 40+ man zerg 3 time in less than a hour and that someone who didn't intend to ever be Emp but lucked into it was crowned for 3 days. Also we don't night zerg we flip them with our morning coffee with our EU friends assuming we have to flip them at all because they were still in our possession from prime time the night before.

oh no my scrolls

Working has intended and is the same for all alliances

SirAndy wrote: »

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

all fair in War

Everyone citing real life war as a reference to somehow justify this kind of behavior is completely missing the mark. In real life, there is a simple solution:


Unfortunately, ESO does not allow us to deal with traitors at all in-game.

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

What some call exploits are mostly just players thinking outside of the box

And by "outside the box" you mean exploiting a game mechanic that has NO possible counter what-so-ever. Yes, i can see how that would make one feel superior.

" Make one feel superior " rofl.........double rolf

I have seen EP-AD-DC do the exact same thing since launch and some of the time you get a whole AD-DC-EP team grab the scroll and take to safe area to hand it to a apposing faction for the soul reason to stop the leading faction winning. Do I agree with this.....HELL NO.....

Grampa Smurf is a warrior first, leader says follow me and he runs off a cliff I follow and die with him and if told to protect that scroll and hand it to the enemy that is going to happen.

MAOofDC wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

MAOofDC wrote: »

So Today 8/2/15 at about 8pm EDT AD was retaking Alessia back from DC. Some guy who wasn't in any of the AD groups rushed in and grabbed the scroll just before it was flipped and proceeded to run it towards the blues. We followed asking him in zone chat and tells what the hell he was doing. He didn't respond to us, and the blues didn't attack him but did everything they could to slow us down. When he was finally too far away from us to pick it back up he stopped and they killed him and got the scroll. Only after I told him that I reported him did he respond by calling me names and admitted that indeed he was a DC player running an alt with the express purpose of helping DC recapture the scroll. He even bragged about being the best DC player on the NA server. One has to wonder how good someone really is if they need to cheat to achieve their goals. He then proceeded to tell me that it happens all the time and there wasn't a damn thing we could do about it but only after he heaped some more abusive language on me.

People who do this *** need to be banned!!! Griefing is not allowed according to the rule laid out by ZoS. But since ZoS couldn't be damned according to him he will escape punishment. But I'm sure is I named and shamed him on the forums my ass would feel the ban hammer double quick.

Or maybe AD can stop nightzerging the map and causing haderus to have to be remade into a competitive situation EVERY GODDAMNED DAY

I have no sympathy for anything that happens to AD on haderus, and in fact i find it hilarious it wasnt me. I used to do stuff like that, just to *** off the zergball, because screw the zergball.

Really if AD only night zerged then why did we have an Emp who was crowned for 3 days? Also since you were not there I'll inform you the *** didn't need to do what he did given just 10 or 15 more minutes there was a good chance that Team Purple would have taken both the keep and the scroll as is. What was really going on is that the blues were mad that 24 people repulsed their 40+ man zerg 3 time in less than a hour and that someone who didn't intend to ever be Emp but lucked into it was crowned for 3 days. Also we don't night zerg we flip them with our morning coffee with our EU friends assuming we have to flip them at all because they were still in our possession from prime time the night before.

You must seem to think I havent been around on Haderus much. Fact is I have been on Haderus since the campaign launched a year ago, without leaving. I play there every day. So I will give you a quick breakdown of what actually happens on Haderus on a daily basis (especially in the last month)

8am EDT - The server is all yellow from a night of nightcapping by OMFG and company, they had about 2 blues defending and maybe 4 reds, they ran with a 20-30 man group, good times, felt just like PvDoor except when Rylana oiled them and got a few kills before getting absolutely obliterated 20 on 1 on the back flag.

11am EDT - The euro players in DC and EP get home from work/school etc, and start to do some skirmishing up north, Kings/Farra and maybe Rayles/Warden flag and get crushed a couple times, one keep might flip for a while, usually nothing really happens until about 3pm, but sometimes the day crew has a few keeps by the time the primetimers log in.

5pm EDT - Prime time begins, pops jump to 2 bars across all factions, keeps up north all fall red or blue within the next hour as the AD are overwhelmed and their usually garbage emperor does literally nothing but flail uselessly with a tank spec or is a ganker nightblade off trying to hit transit lines. Everything up to Alessia and Roebeck is taken, and usually by now either Roe or Alessia is sieged. A scroll may even be in play

8pm EDT - Yellows hit the panic button and the entire Azuras/Thorn zerg masses to poplock, With only Alessia left, the entire faction stacks inside of the keep, 50-100 deep depending on the day and how many pugs are pulled off to the inevitable scroll takes that happen for the next two hours. Meanwhile yellows pour out towards sejanus and Nexus farms them happily at the bridge for the next two hours.

10pm EDT - Blue and red reach three bars, sometimes locks, and the server is starting to lag horribly due to the battle for alessia. In a desperate attempt to find PvP that isnt a slideshow, some Reds and Blues start skirmishing up north around bleakers and chalman. Nexus retires for the night, full of AP and happy. The Alessia bridge dam breaks and sej and BRK are flooded by over 50 AD just zergballing north, sometimes this number can top 70 in a single mass. The 20-30 EP left defending BRK are completely overwhelmed and BRK falls. Blue either takes Chalman, or Red takes Aleswell at this point, further igniting the north front. No help will come south.

Midnight EDT - Blue has committed north fully, and yellow quickly recaps Roe, Ash, Brindle, and possibly even Glademist (since they were completely stopped at Arrius like they always are, Yellows cant take Arrius for the life of them I swear). Blue is starting to wind down for the night, pops are now Locked AD, 2 bar DC, 2 bar EP. Prime time is over. AD will start to taper off in the next hour or two, but not before being farmed for the duration at Chalman or Arrius (BRK might even be retaken now that the fight up north has started to wind down)

2am EDT - Blue is done for the night, only the red Aussies are left. GoS might still have a capable force on, or if Zaz is around a full raid might prevent the nightcap, but has no real chance to make any headway vs the still 3 bar pop AD. EP and DC have dropped to 1 bar.

5am EDT - Reds have mostly retired for the night, the AD nightcrew of 30 people begins cleaning up the map, taking absolutely everything, every resource, everything.

Repeat tomorrow.

There is literally only PvP on Haderus from about 5pm EDT until midnight, and thats if its not lagging so badly that skills stop working.

Hopefully the guesting blobs will just go away, and you can stop acting like its your groups that do ANYTHING. Without the Deciblob and TKzerg there to bail you out in prime, youd lose the map every single night. As it stands the only time DC and EP have anything even resembling numbers, AD simply calls in everyone from everywhere and ensures all progress ends, is reversed, or else the lag just ends it anyway.

So dont be a revisionist. the above has happened every single day for the last month (with a few exceptions when LoM or GoS have had night crews to shut down your overnighters, usually when one of them had emp and were defending it vs the OMFG crew)

Aussie players aren't crazy, they are just misunderstood. Between wrestling crocodiles, riding in kangaroos and 3rd world country ISP their play times will vary!

Make a shrine to molag where cyrodill players can flag themselves on/off as perma red against all alliances. Perhaps a special spawn point for those flagged. Those going red would not contribute to specific alliance points when red until realigning with a faction.

Igawotch wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsBgUJX-wi8

skip about 1 minute into the video

that's one funny looking ability lol

rock n roll or roll n rock

Yonkit wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Isn't this coming from the faction that stacked 100+ people in Alessia and spammed meteors repeatedly to protect their last emp keep for days when tripwyre was emp? Now they're complaining about griefing? How cute.

I'm as nonplussed by nefarious scroll captures as the next, but yellow on haderus have been about as anti-competitive as possible for the past few weeks, so any protestations from them should simply fall on deaf ears as they nightcap the server once again.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

Oh you mean the yellows that had to fight NPK, Nemesis, VE, Havok (who came back just for that), and GoS all at the same keep?

The same yellows that had to fight the reds and blues coordinating to hit opposites sides of the keep at the same time, only to lag it to *** to where they couldn't even siege the inner? (We were later messaged by reds saying they wished they didn't try that and just do it themselves)

The same yellows that had a total of 40 organized players there (20 Deci, 20 from a guild formed that week named PUGs)

Yeah, those yellows.

RIP

You have such selective recognition of what counts and doesn't count. First of all, the other 60+ yellows accompanying you that evening count. It's a keep defense and they're pugs running siege and lagging out the server, so they count. Secondly you put nemesis, who only sporadically runs medium sized groups at best, on the same level as an organized full raid, so faulty logic there as well. Thirdly I don't know who the reds were colluding with, but it certainly wasn't me. I remember GoS wasting two attempts at wiping us at Alessia that night, but lag prevented any real outcome. Then when it comes to NPK, I don't want to really know what they were doing because anytime I was at that keep, they were dead or elsewhere. So ultimately what it came down to was a full raid of VE (half of which were puggy v3's without barrier since the reroll) unable to use any skills and however many people Havoc mustered unable to use any skills, still not acting in any real collusion other than the obvious desire to dethrone fighting against a triple digit yellow mob stacked into one keep. It was the epitome of outnumbered lag battling and ultimately boring as can be, and it stands as a reminder of why this game struggles so much.

But back to the main thesis. One should take accurate stock of what's happening. It was not 40 noble souls fighting against hundreds and hundreds of allied red and blue guilds. If you want outnumbered fights like that, you have to roll DC.

Lol if Nemesis (edit: and NPK) doesn't count the pugs on siege don't count.

I have yet to meet an Aussie gamer I did not like. God bless the Aussies and their night flipping!

Ishammael wrote: »

I nominate @CitraBenzoet_ESO to lead the charge!

... i hate you sometimes ish...