Can we make class shields even?
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Jolinius✭✭DOES EVERYONE KNOW THAT HARDENED WARD IS CURRENTLY BUGGED AND GIVING TOO MUCH SHIELD???? If not then shut up. All of these people basing their opinions on currently bugged abilities is annoying. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! Healing Ward is bugged too and shielding too much.
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✭✭✭✭Just dont know why sorcs should have the most powerful shield and the best escape and just stack magic for damage and shielding.Meanwhile you get stuck in the open somewhere on your dk or temp with a puny 3k shield feeling like an ***. Also maybe some people want to play stam sorc.....scalig off health would make it viable for stam sorcs and fair for the other classes. You have bolt escape youll be fine.
Most Powerful shield is healing ward.
Best Escape is Greater Expedition + Sprint.
So ok healing ward right which scales off magic so as a dk or temp you put all points in magic it makes your healing ward better but still have a crappy 3k shield where as if your a sorc you have double the shields.Also as dk or temp your still standing in the open somewhere.But you know this.All i see is sorcs that know theyre op trying to keep themselves op.Havnt seen a valid argument yet.L2p.....
Actually what you see is a Nightblade who hasn't played his Sorc in 2 1/2 months now who knows both sides of the equation in depth because he did "L2p".
And once again, Healing ward scales of health. When a Magicka player is getting focused, they're spamming healing ward over and over if they are wounded which is where it is extremely powerful. With the damage reductions in 2.1 it is much easier to let yourself become wounded before you start the healing ward spam without having to worry about being burst down.
If you nerf healing Ward to be more reasonable then you'll see sorcs brought in line as well as several other playstyles that are using this on PTS to become extremely powerful.
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Springt-Über-Zwerge✭✭✭✭Just dont know why sorcs should have the most powerful shield and the best escape and just stack magic for damage and shielding.Meanwhile you get stuck in the open somewhere on your dk or temp with a puny 3k shield feeling like an ***. Also maybe some people want to play stam sorc.....scalig off health would make it viable for stam sorcs and fair for the other classes. You have bolt escape youll be fine.
Most Powerful shield is healing ward.
Best Escape is Greater Expedition + Sprint.
So ok healing ward right which scales off magic so as a dk or temp you put all points in magic it makes your healing ward better but still have a crappy 3k shield where as if your a sorc you have double the shields.Also as dk or temp your still standing in the open somewhere.But you know this.All i see is sorcs that know theyre op trying to keep themselves op.Havnt seen a valid argument yet.L2p.....
Actually what you see is a Nightblade who hasn't played his Sorc in 2 1/2 months now who knows both sides of the equation in depth because he did "L2p".
And once again, Healing ward scales of health. When a Magicka player is getting focused, they're spamming healing ward over and over if they are wounded which is where it is extremely powerful. With the damage reductions in 2.1 it is much easier to let yourself become wounded before you start the healing ward spam without having to worry about being burst down.
If you nerf healing Ward to be more reasonable then you'll see sorcs brought in line as well as several other playstyles that are using this on PTS to become extremely powerful.
Wait the 300% scale from you missing health not the base shield. Or am I wrong there?PC,EU, EP
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✭✭✭✭Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »Just dont know why sorcs should have the most powerful shield and the best escape and just stack magic for damage and shielding.Meanwhile you get stuck in the open somewhere on your dk or temp with a puny 3k shield feeling like an ***. Also maybe some people want to play stam sorc.....scalig off health would make it viable for stam sorcs and fair for the other classes. You have bolt escape youll be fine.
Most Powerful shield is healing ward.
Best Escape is Greater Expedition + Sprint.
So ok healing ward right which scales off magic so as a dk or temp you put all points in magic it makes your healing ward better but still have a crappy 3k shield where as if your a sorc you have double the shields.Also as dk or temp your still standing in the open somewhere.But you know this.All i see is sorcs that know theyre op trying to keep themselves op.Havnt seen a valid argument yet.L2p.....
Actually what you see is a Nightblade who hasn't played his Sorc in 2 1/2 months now who knows both sides of the equation in depth because he did "L2p".
And once again, Healing ward scales of health. When a Magicka player is getting focused, they're spamming healing ward over and over if they are wounded which is where it is extremely powerful. With the damage reductions in 2.1 it is much easier to let yourself become wounded before you start the healing ward spam without having to worry about being burst down.
If you nerf healing Ward to be more reasonable then you'll see sorcs brought in line as well as several other playstyles that are using this on PTS to become extremely powerful.
Wait the 300% scale from you missing health not the base shield. Or am I wrong there?
The 300% scales up the base shield depending upon your missing health ( I think it hits 300% at 30% health and below).
If your base shield is 4K then this scales up to 16K. Here is the kicker...the Cyrodiil Shield "nerf" reduces the 4K to 2K...but the scaling is untouched so you can still get a 14K Shield.
Now if your base shield is 6K that becomes 21K etc.
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✭Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »Just dont know why sorcs should have the most powerful shield and the best escape and just stack magic for damage and shielding.Meanwhile you get stuck in the open somewhere on your dk or temp with a puny 3k shield feeling like an ***. Also maybe some people want to play stam sorc.....scalig off health would make it viable for stam sorcs and fair for the other classes. You have bolt escape youll be fine.
Most Powerful shield is healing ward.
Best Escape is Greater Expedition + Sprint.
So ok healing ward right which scales off magic so as a dk or temp you put all points in magic it makes your healing ward better but still have a crappy 3k shield where as if your a sorc you have double the shields.Also as dk or temp your still standing in the open somewhere.But you know this.All i see is sorcs that know theyre op trying to keep themselves op.Havnt seen a valid argument yet.L2p.....
Actually what you see is a Nightblade who hasn't played his Sorc in 2 1/2 months now who knows both sides of the equation in depth because he did "L2p".
And once again, Healing ward scales of health. When a Magicka player is getting focused, they're spamming healing ward over and over if they are wounded which is where it is extremely powerful. With the damage reductions in 2.1 it is much easier to let yourself become wounded before you start the healing ward spam without having to worry about being burst down.
If you nerf healing Ward to be more reasonable then you'll see sorcs brought in line as well as several other playstyles that are using this on PTS to become extremely powerful.
Wait the 300% scale from you missing health not the base shield. Or am I wrong there?
nope its the base shield but having a larger healthpool enables you to actually get the max shield without dying beforhand.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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That's because of the pvp debuff. Blood Magic has been nerfed from 8% to 4% (not that it was usefull on live)
People, Sorcerer has the strongest shield for a reason ! When will you finally stop complaining about it ? Sorcerer would be dead, if the shield would scale of Health and other classes would be extremeeeely overpowered if their shield scale of Magicka in addition to their strong defense and self heals.
I don't want to be biased, I want to understand you. But this is impossible, because you're asking for unreasonable things.
"Strongest Shield for a reason"?
Seriously? You mean to tell everyone that you deserve the high damage, high mobility AND high defense, all by just putting points into magicka?
I'm a Stamina Nightblade, and forgive me for saying this, but atm on the PTS, the Shields are waaaaaay overboard. Right now its absorption shield or go home, which is an incredible sad meta to have.
If I have to go up in damage, I will automatically sacrifice great deals of defense, as I have no other option. You're bottlenecked into either Defense, or Offense, where in comparison the current Sorcerer gets both freely, with no trade-off.
Oh, I have blur? The ability that grants me 20% extra dodge? Yeah sure, I shall rely on RNGesus for my survival? How nice of you.
Oh cloak? You mean that ability all can negate with a single potion or ability? Wow, such great defense!
Sorry for the sarcastic reply, but the current state of the Imperial City PvP is just outright depressing, nerfing both damage and shields doesn't help at all, shields should be nerfed yes, but damage less so, for right now as I mentioned earlier, it is Absorption Shield or go home.
I feel forced to smack on a resto staff for the Healing Ward, yet I still refuse to. I want to play to have fun, but being forced into an absurd shield-meta is just dumb. The shields should still be useful, all abilities should be useful after all, but it should be no-where needed in order to participate in PvP. They should be toned down to the level where it doesn't require 3-5 guys in order to take a single guy absorption shield spammer down.
Hell, if it was made so that the shield-spammers damage was ***, that would be fine. The current problem is that they get high offense, and high defense all from a single resource, where all others are forced to choose between two.
Just my few cents.
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Springt-Über-Zwerge✭✭✭✭Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »Just dont know why sorcs should have the most powerful shield and the best escape and just stack magic for damage and shielding.Meanwhile you get stuck in the open somewhere on your dk or temp with a puny 3k shield feeling like an ***. Also maybe some people want to play stam sorc.....scalig off health would make it viable for stam sorcs and fair for the other classes. You have bolt escape youll be fine.
Most Powerful shield is healing ward.
Best Escape is Greater Expedition + Sprint.
So ok healing ward right which scales off magic so as a dk or temp you put all points in magic it makes your healing ward better but still have a crappy 3k shield where as if your a sorc you have double the shields.Also as dk or temp your still standing in the open somewhere.But you know this.All i see is sorcs that know theyre op trying to keep themselves op.Havnt seen a valid argument yet.L2p.....
Actually what you see is a Nightblade who hasn't played his Sorc in 2 1/2 months now who knows both sides of the equation in depth because he did "L2p".
And once again, Healing ward scales of health. When a Magicka player is getting focused, they're spamming healing ward over and over if they are wounded which is where it is extremely powerful. With the damage reductions in 2.1 it is much easier to let yourself become wounded before you start the healing ward spam without having to worry about being burst down.
If you nerf healing Ward to be more reasonable then you'll see sorcs brought in line as well as several other playstyles that are using this on PTS to become extremely powerful.
Wait the 300% scale from you missing health not the base shield. Or am I wrong there?
The 300% scales up the base shield depending upon your missing health ( I think it hits 300% at 30% health and below).
If your base shield is 4K then this scales up to 16K. Here is the kicker...the Cyrodiil Shield "nerf" reduces the 4K to 2K...but the scaling is untouched so you can still get a 14K Shield.
Now if your base shield is 6K that becomes 21K etc.
Okay thanks for the info seems like a big issue hope this will not make it to lifePC,EU, EP
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✭✭I'm a Stamina Nightblade, and forgive me for saying this, but atm on the PTS, the Shields are waaaaaay overboard.
Well if you read at all you would see that both Hardened Ward and Healing Ward are bugged and giving too much shield. Why you no read ShadowHo? Why?You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Jolinius✭✭Just dont know why sorcs should have the most powerful shield and the best escape and just stack magic for damage and shielding.Meanwhile you get stuck in the open somewhere on your dk or temp with a puny 3k shield feeling like an ***. Also maybe some people want to play stam sorc.....scalig off health would make it viable for stam sorcs and fair for the other classes. You have bolt escape youll be fine.
Most Powerful shield is healing ward.
Best Escape is Greater Expedition + Sprint.
So ok healing ward right which scales off magic so as a dk or temp you put all points in magic it makes your healing ward better but still have a crappy 3k shield where as if your a sorc you have double the shields.Also as dk or temp your still standing in the open somewhere.But you know this.All i see is sorcs that know theyre op trying to keep themselves op.Havnt seen a valid argument yet.L2p.....
Actually what you see is a Nightblade who hasn't played his Sorc in 2 1/2 months now who knows both sides of the equation in depth because he did "L2p".
And once again, Healing ward scales of health. When a Magicka player is getting focused, they're spamming healing ward over and over if they are wounded which is where it is extremely powerful. With the damage reductions in 2.1 it is much easier to let yourself become wounded before you start the healing ward spam without having to worry about being burst down.
If you nerf healing Ward to be more reasonable then you'll see sorcs brought in line as well as several other playstyles that are using this on PTS to become extremely powerful.
Actually i have a v14 of every class...hadnt played my sorc in awhile because i prefer mellee and less pew pew. But i have been playing my sorc equally over the past 2 months as much as my dk and nb.And frankly it was easy mode.I was stacking spell damage and still had a 17k shield which is super cheap and non crittable. If melle is coming at you daedric mines if range is coming at you streak to safe zone curse crystal frag repeat.Most of the time i would only get killed by sorcs with bigger shields than me.
What i would like to do is hop on any of my classes and be able to have a fair fight with any other class.
Also still havnt seen a comment on how this is fair for other classes and their shields and also fair for stam sorcs.
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Rook_Master✭✭✭✭✭Just dont know why sorcs should have the most powerful shield and the best escape and just stack magic for damage and shielding.Meanwhile you get stuck in the open somewhere on your dk or temp with a puny 3k shield feeling like an ***. Also maybe some people want to play stam sorc.....scalig off health would make it viable for stam sorcs and fair for the other classes. You have bolt escape youll be fine.
Most Powerful shield is healing ward.
Best Escape is Greater Expedition + Sprint.
So ok healing ward right which scales off magic so as a dk or temp you put all points in magic it makes your healing ward better but still have a crappy 3k shield where as if your a sorc you have double the shields.Also as dk or temp your still standing in the open somewhere.But you know this.All i see is sorcs that know theyre op trying to keep themselves op.Havnt seen a valid argument yet.L2p.....
Actually what you see is a Nightblade who hasn't played his Sorc in 2 1/2 months now who knows both sides of the equation in depth because he did "L2p".
And once again, Healing ward scales of health. When a Magicka player is getting focused, they're spamming healing ward over and over if they are wounded which is where it is extremely powerful. With the damage reductions in 2.1 it is much easier to let yourself become wounded before you start the healing ward spam without having to worry about being burst down.
If you nerf healing Ward to be more reasonable then you'll see sorcs brought in line as well as several other playstyles that are using this on PTS to become extremely powerful.
Actually i have a v14 of every class...hadnt played my sorc in awhile because i prefer mellee and less pew pew. But i have been playing my sorc equally over the past 2 months as much as my dk and nb.And frankly it was easy mode.I was stacking spell damage and still had a 17k shield which is super cheap and non crittable. If melle is coming at you daedric mines if range is coming at you streak to safe zone curse crystal frag repeat.Most of the time i would only get killed by sorcs with bigger shields than me.
What i would like to do is hop on any of my classes and be able to have a fair fight with any other class.
Also still havnt seen a comment on how this is fair for other classes and their shields and also fair for stam sorcs.
That's because it isn't.0 -
Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Just dont know why sorcs should have the most powerful shield and the best escape and just stack magic for damage and shielding.Meanwhile you get stuck in the open somewhere on your dk or temp with a puny 3k shield feeling like an ***. Also maybe some people want to play stam sorc.....scalig off health would make it viable for stam sorcs and fair for the other classes. You have bolt escape youll be fine.
Most Powerful shield is healing ward.
Best Escape is Greater Expedition + Sprint.
So ok healing ward right which scales off magic so as a dk or temp you put all points in magic it makes your healing ward better but still have a crappy 3k shield where as if your a sorc you have double the shields.Also as dk or temp your still standing in the open somewhere.But you know this.All i see is sorcs that know theyre op trying to keep themselves op.Havnt seen a valid argument yet.L2p.....
Actually what you see is a Nightblade who hasn't played his Sorc in 2 1/2 months now who knows both sides of the equation in depth because he did "L2p".
And once again, Healing ward scales of health. When a Magicka player is getting focused, they're spamming healing ward over and over if they are wounded which is where it is extremely powerful. With the damage reductions in 2.1 it is much easier to let yourself become wounded before you start the healing ward spam without having to worry about being burst down.
If you nerf healing Ward to be more reasonable then you'll see sorcs brought in line as well as several other playstyles that are using this on PTS to become extremely powerful.
Actually i have a v14 of every class...hadnt played my sorc in awhile because i prefer mellee and less pew pew. But i have been playing my sorc equally over the past 2 months as much as my dk and nb.And frankly it was easy mode.I was stacking spell damage and still had a 17k shield which is super cheap and non crittable. If melle is coming at you daedric mines if range is coming at you streak to safe zone curse crystal frag repeat.Most of the time i would only get killed by sorcs with bigger shields than me.
What i would like to do is hop on any of my classes and be able to have a fair fight with any other class.
Also still havnt seen a comment on how this is fair for other classes and their shields and also fair for stam sorcs.
No point in arguing the live Meta. I agree that Max Magicka Shield stack sorcs are the most powerful class on live ATM due to scaling of CP.
On PTS I haven't seen this to be the case. I see every class using healing Ward performing far better than the players who aren't running it. Hardened Ward spam isn't going to keep a sorc alive against 2 players beating on him, but healing ward spam will. That's all I'm trying to say. All this nonsense about Hardened Ward needed to be scaled off of health is just that...nonsense. Every class should be different with different abilities and strengths and weaknesses.
Adjust healing Ward and then see how sorcs perform.
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That's because of the pvp debuff. Blood Magic has been nerfed from 8% to 4% (not that it was usefull on live)
People, Sorcerer has the strongest shield for a reason ! When will you finally stop complaining about it ? Sorcerer would be dead, if the shield would scale of Health and other classes would be extremeeeely overpowered if their shield scale of Magicka in addition to their strong defense and self heals.
I don't want to be biased, I want to understand you. But this is impossible, because you're asking for unreasonable things.
Unreasonable is not wanting any change at all to the Shield situation in its current live format. Sorcs are outa control and you know this when you see every 12 year old starting the game rolling one as their main. ZoS finally see it too and are attempting to do something about it if they implement the crit hits on them.
Theres probably other better ways to deal with the problem such as looking at Healing Ward but now everyones shields will take the nerf to sort out a Sorc problem. The only Shield I use currently is a tad under 7k and its pretty much blasted away with a single hit from most classes but its useful nonetheless. Once again I'll say ZoS hasnt even implemented the change so shields can be crit damaged so wait and see what its like before damning it all as overkill on Sorcs.2 -
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✭✭Just dont know why sorcs should have the most powerful shield and the best escape and just stack magic for damage and shielding.Meanwhile you get stuck in the open somewhere on your dk or temp with a puny 3k shield feeling like an ***. Also maybe some people want to play stam sorc.....scalig off health would make it viable for stam sorcs and fair for the other classes. You have bolt escape youll be fine.
Most Powerful shield is healing ward.
Best Escape is Greater Expedition + Sprint.
So ok healing ward right which scales off magic so as a dk or temp you put all points in magic it makes your healing ward better but still have a crappy 3k shield where as if your a sorc you have double the shields.Also as dk or temp your still standing in the open somewhere.But you know this.All i see is sorcs that know theyre op trying to keep themselves op.Havnt seen a valid argument yet.L2p.....
Actually what you see is a Nightblade who hasn't played his Sorc in 2 1/2 months now who knows both sides of the equation in depth because he did "L2p".
And once again, Healing ward scales of health. When a Magicka player is getting focused, they're spamming healing ward over and over if they are wounded which is where it is extremely powerful. With the damage reductions in 2.1 it is much easier to let yourself become wounded before you start the healing ward spam without having to worry about being burst down.
If you nerf healing Ward to be more reasonable then you'll see sorcs brought in line as well as several other playstyles that are using this on PTS to become extremely powerful.
Actually i have a v14 of every class...hadnt played my sorc in awhile because i prefer mellee and less pew pew. But i have been playing my sorc equally over the past 2 months as much as my dk and nb.And frankly it was easy mode.I was stacking spell damage and still had a 17k shield which is super cheap and non crittable. If melle is coming at you daedric mines if range is coming at you streak to safe zone curse crystal frag repeat.Most of the time i would only get killed by sorcs with bigger shields than me.
What i would like to do is hop on any of my classes and be able to have a fair fight with any other class.
Also still havnt seen a comment on how this is fair for other classes and their shields and also fair for stam sorcs.
@Jolinius Please show me how to stack spell damage and have a 17k Hardened Ward. My Live sorc is 32k magicka, has 3 spell dmg set bonus, with 55 points in Bastion and I have only a 12.8k Hardened Ward. WTF did you do to get 17k?You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Springt-Über-Zwerge✭✭✭✭Just dont know why sorcs should have the most powerful shield and the best escape and just stack magic for damage and shielding.Meanwhile you get stuck in the open somewhere on your dk or temp with a puny 3k shield feeling like an ***. Also maybe some people want to play stam sorc.....scalig off health would make it viable for stam sorcs and fair for the other classes. You have bolt escape youll be fine.
Most Powerful shield is healing ward.
Best Escape is Greater Expedition + Sprint.
So ok healing ward right which scales off magic so as a dk or temp you put all points in magic it makes your healing ward better but still have a crappy 3k shield where as if your a sorc you have double the shields.Also as dk or temp your still standing in the open somewhere.But you know this.All i see is sorcs that know theyre op trying to keep themselves op.Havnt seen a valid argument yet.L2p.....
Actually what you see is a Nightblade who hasn't played his Sorc in 2 1/2 months now who knows both sides of the equation in depth because he did "L2p".
And once again, Healing ward scales of health. When a Magicka player is getting focused, they're spamming healing ward over and over if they are wounded which is where it is extremely powerful. With the damage reductions in 2.1 it is much easier to let yourself become wounded before you start the healing ward spam without having to worry about being burst down.
If you nerf healing Ward to be more reasonable then you'll see sorcs brought in line as well as several other playstyles that are using this on PTS to become extremely powerful.
Actually i have a v14 of every class...hadnt played my sorc in awhile because i prefer mellee and less pew pew. But i have been playing my sorc equally over the past 2 months as much as my dk and nb.And frankly it was easy mode.I was stacking spell damage and still had a 17k shield which is super cheap and non crittable. If melle is coming at you daedric mines if range is coming at you streak to safe zone curse crystal frag repeat.Most of the time i would only get killed by sorcs with bigger shields than me.
What i would like to do is hop on any of my classes and be able to have a fair fight with any other class.
Also still havnt seen a comment on how this is fair for other classes and their shields and also fair for stam sorcs.
No point in arguing the live Meta. I agree that Max Magicka Shield stack sorcs are the most powerful class on live ATM due to scaling of CP.
On PTS I haven't seen this to be the case. I see every class using healing Ward performing far better than the players who aren't running it. Hardened Ward spam isn't going to keep a sorc alive against 2 players beating on him, but healing ward spam will. That's all I'm trying to say. All this nonsense about Hardened Ward needed to be scaled off of health is just that...nonsense. Every class should be different with different abilities and strengths and weaknesses.
Adjust healing Ward and then see how sorcs perform.
Well how about hardened ward scaling from health just stronger than bs and is? That way Sorcs can keep their stronger shields but they would have to at least invest something into health and it would be fair for stam sorcs too.PC,EU, EP
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Siluen✭✭✭✭Perhaps Blade Cloak (Dual Wield skill) can be made into a stamina absorption shield? (Just throwing out ideas, don't shoot me!)
On the other hand I would also love some kind of synergy between melee weapons and magicka. Constantly in doubt between magicka and stamina because I don't feel like a (resto)staff suits my character but going dual-dual wield (quad-wield?) feels iffy too.
But that is a different discussion I suppose.
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That's because of the pvp debuff. Blood Magic has been nerfed from 8% to 4% (not that it was usefull on live)
People, Sorcerer has the strongest shield for a reason ! When will you finally stop complaining about it ? Sorcerer would be dead, if the shield would scale of Health and other classes would be extremeeeely overpowered if their shield scale of Magicka in addition to their strong defense and self heals.
I don't want to be biased, I want to understand you. But this is impossible, because you're asking for unreasonable things.
"Strongest Shield for a reason"?
Seriously? You mean to tell everyone that you deserve the high damage, high mobility AND high defense, all by just putting points into magicka?
I'm a Stamina Nightblade, and forgive me for saying this, but atm on the PTS, the Shields are waaaaaay overboard. Right now its absorption shield or go home, which is an incredible sad meta to have.
If I have to go up in damage, I will automatically sacrifice great deals of defense, as I have no other option. You're bottlenecked into either Defense, or Offense, where in comparison the current Sorcerer gets both freely, with no trade-off.
Oh, I have blur? The ability that grants me 20% extra dodge? Yeah sure, I shall rely on RNGesus for my survival? How nice of you.
Oh cloak? You mean that ability all can negate with a single potion or ability? Wow, such great defense!
Sorry for the sarcastic reply, but the current state of the Imperial City PvP is just outright depressing, nerfing both damage and shields doesn't help at all, shields should be nerfed yes, but damage less so, for right now as I mentioned earlier, it is Absorption Shield or go home.
I feel forced to smack on a resto staff for the Healing Ward, yet I still refuse to. I want to play to have fun, but being forced into an absurd shield-meta is just dumb. The shields should still be useful, all abilities should be useful after all, but it should be no-where needed in order to participate in PvP. They should be toned down to the level where it doesn't require 3-5 guys in order to take a single guy absorption shield spammer down.
Hell, if it was made so that the shield-spammers damage was ***, that would be fine. The current problem is that they get high offense, and high defense all from a single resource, where all others are forced to choose between two.
Just my few cents.
Ah you mean your overpowered cloak that gives you immunity to single target attacks even when revealed with a detect potion ? Don't know if this is a bug, but on live, all my single target attacks get just absorbed by cloak targets even if I have detected them.
All you people just want to see Sorcs laying in the mud
as if their damage wouldn't already be too easy to avoid.
I agree that damage shields need to be turned down, but it's not a Sorc issue. Magicka Nightblades are just as hilarious and they dont even have a class shields. Many people I was talking to agreed, that Sorcerer is the most predictable class and that experienced players can have an easy game, thanks to Sorcerer being so predictable.
All I want to see, is that healing ward is finally brought in line and then it's fine.Edited by Dracane on August 3, 2015 9:12PMAuri-El is my lord,
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cschwingeb14_ESO✭✭✭✭With the current way charge abilities work, BE is usually a disadvantage. Medium range crit rush is my highest damage attack (geared stam NB), outside of wrecking blow.
I'm not sure why the crowd that continues to froth at the mouth about shield being based off of magicka don't look at how rally/vigor heals are based off stam/weapon damage, and resto staff/Templar/class heal abilities scale off magicka/spell damage.
All of these are the exact same situation. A damage stat granting more survivability
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Glantir✭✭✭✭I have the feeling that sorcs have more than 5 skill slots, Healing Ward, Harness Magicka, Hardend Ward, Bolt Escape and and
Seriously? If I start spamming shields I cant do any dmg. BE isnt worth to slot anymore but if you want, you can have this skill. But then give me a dps skill like biting jabs or something else. A cloak spamming NB is just as annoying as a porting sorc.
Every 3. Thread, shields are overpowered, nerf sorc shields if I was responsible for the sorc i would double/tripple+++ the sorc shields just to say fu to the nerf sorc caller ^^ ( it is an exaggeration and not a serious proposal!!!!)
Think about it, what have a sorc without his shield? BE got a nerf so mobility was limited. every class have something that seems to be overpowered but this is normal live with it guys.
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✭✭✭✭✭@Glantir I'm asking myself the same everyday. People don't think until they post something...
They see Sorc shields and scream for nerfs without realizing, that there are waaaaay more things to mention. But most people aren't capable of figuring out builds and tricks themselves. Seems like they watch too much DeltiaTV and SypherTV and rely on them to figure out: AHHH this skill is actually good and OHHHH this tactic is pretty intelligent. And what not.
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Draehl✭✭✭Hardened Ward isn't the issue, Healing Ward is. Healing Ward scales off of health not Magicka. If anything healing ward is too strong which is why all Magicka NBs and Sorcs are so hard to kill right now when they're spamming that.
1) Healing Ward is bugged currently on PTS and isn't being properly affected by Battle Spirit.
2) Even if it weren't bugged at least all classes have access. We need to be very careful in balancing class skills as they are what causes one group to run away with the show over another. As a NB I say Cloak needs looking into also, especially in IC. Nothing should be above scrutiny =D
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✭✭✭✭Hardened Ward isn't the issue, Healing Ward is. Healing Ward scales off of health not Magicka. If anything healing ward is too strong which is why all Magicka NBs and Sorcs are so hard to kill right now when they're spamming that.
1) Healing Ward is bugged currently on PTS and isn't being properly affected by Battle Spirit.
2) Even if it weren't bugged at least all classes have access. We need to be very careful in balancing class skills as they are what causes one group to run away with the show over another. As a NB I say Cloak needs looking into also, especially in IC. Nothing should be above scrutiny =D
It isn't bugged, it's working exactly as the math for Battle Spirit has always worked. The issue is the Battle spirit buff doesn't cut shields in 50%, it cuts *some* shields with no bonus modifiers by 50% and subtracts from the bonus of the rest.
Healing Ward has up to 300% Bonus
Hardened Ward has a 33% Bonus
The Battle spirit buff should be multiplicative with the *final* value of the shield not the base value.
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✭Just dont know why sorcs should have the most powerful shield and the best escape and just stack magic for damage and shielding.Meanwhile you get stuck in the open somewhere on your dk or temp with a puny 3k shield feeling like an ***. Also maybe some people want to play stam sorc.....scalig off health would make it viable for stam sorcs and fair for the other classes. You have bolt escape youll be fine.
Most Powerful shield is healing ward.
Best Escape is Greater Expedition + Sprint.
So ok healing ward right which scales off magic so as a dk or temp you put all points in magic it makes your healing ward better but still have a crappy 3k shield where as if your a sorc you have double the shields.Also as dk or temp your still standing in the open somewhere.But you know this.All i see is sorcs that know theyre op trying to keep themselves op.Havnt seen a valid argument yet.L2p.....
Actually what you see is a Nightblade who hasn't played his Sorc in 2 1/2 months now who knows both sides of the equation in depth because he did "L2p".
And once again, Healing ward scales of health. When a Magicka player is getting focused, they're spamming healing ward over and over if they are wounded which is where it is extremely powerful. With the damage reductions in 2.1 it is much easier to let yourself become wounded before you start the healing ward spam without having to worry about being burst down.
If you nerf healing Ward to be more reasonable then you'll see sorcs brought in line as well as several other playstyles that are using this on PTS to become extremely powerful.
Actually i have a v14 of every class...hadnt played my sorc in awhile because i prefer mellee and less pew pew. But i have been playing my sorc equally over the past 2 months as much as my dk and nb.And frankly it was easy mode.I was stacking spell damage and still had a 17k shield which is super cheap and non crittable. If melle is coming at you daedric mines if range is coming at you streak to safe zone curse crystal frag repeat.Most of the time i would only get killed by sorcs with bigger shields than me.
What i would like to do is hop on any of my classes and be able to have a fair fight with any other class.
Also still havnt seen a comment on how this is fair for other classes and their shields and also fair for stam sorcs.
No point in arguing the live Meta. I agree that Max Magicka Shield stack sorcs are the most powerful class on live ATM due to scaling of CP.
On PTS I haven't seen this to be the case. I see every class using healing Ward performing far better than the players who aren't running it. Hardened Ward spam isn't going to keep a sorc alive against 2 players beating on him, but healing ward spam will. That's all I'm trying to say. All this nonsense about Hardened Ward needed to be scaled off of health is just that...nonsense. Every class should be different with different abilities and strengths and weaknesses.
Adjust healing Ward and then see how sorcs perform.
this.
a perfect example of the strength of this skill... and luckily its not performed by a sorc missleading some smalbrains to hardend ward...
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✭This is a easy fix sweeping across the board all shields based on health all classes all abilities. Does anyone at ZOS have any common sense.
Argue about it if you want but you all know this would solve the issue.0 -
byrom101b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭SURE - when Sorcs get +100% armour and spell resistance from light armour and a self-heal worth a damn.
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Draehl✭✭✭Hardened Ward isn't the issue, Healing Ward is. Healing Ward scales off of health not Magicka. If anything healing ward is too strong which is why all Magicka NBs and Sorcs are so hard to kill right now when they're spamming that.
1) Healing Ward is bugged currently on PTS and isn't being properly affected by Battle Spirit.
2) Even if it weren't bugged at least all classes have access. We need to be very careful in balancing class skills as they are what causes one group to run away with the show over another. As a NB I say Cloak needs looking into also, especially in IC. Nothing should be above scrutiny =D
The Battle spirit buff should be multiplicative with the *final* value of the shield not the base value.
We're in agreement. That's what the devs stated was the bugged part. I think it was on the ESO live. The 50% is being applied as a subtractive percentage in the context of this skill rather than as a true multiplicative reduction on the final value (as it should be)
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Stikato✭✭✭✭✭A lot of things with damage shields are changing next PTS patch.
- Shields can be crit
- Healing Ward being adjusted to take the full 50% reduction from battle spirit (not happening currently)
- Possibly Hardened Ward "bonus" shield strength will be brought in line
Let's wait and see what happens, and then complain.Mordimus - Stam Sorc0 -
pvpaddict42✭✭✭pvpaddict42 wrote: »Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »Okay... well I always kill blinking Sorcs.
I will never understand, why people don't get it. What do you think, why Sorcerers shield scales of Magicka ? Because he is a mage, he has no self heal so he needs better protection ?
What do you think, why DKs and Templars shield scales of health ? Because they have strong self heals and don't need a strong shield. But Templar tanks need a strong shield, because their self heals are less effective when they have high health but low Magicka. So their shield scales of Health.
Same goes for DK, both classes are excellent tanks.
Pets, Dark exchane, surge and every dark magic ability heals yourself. So yea Sorcs dont have self heals...
These are not viable in a PvP setting.
Addict, what class do you play if you don't mind me asking?
If shields are no longer viable, sorc becomes a free kill. The cry for nerfs need to stop.
It's not a cry to nerf sorcerers, it's a request to fix a mechanic to a game ability that is being implemented unevenly to all the classes with it. Keep in mind when "nerfs" like damage shield reductions and what not get passed out by ZOS that effects all the classes, but the scaling source is a key factor. Even ZOS realizes that as they changed ultimates and a number of "stamina" based class skills to scale using something other than magicka. If Conjured Ward gets scaled to health like all the other class shields, that simply means that sorcerers that want to have greater survival might actually have to spend points in something other than magicka...like the other classes do. If you are going to push everything into magicka and spell power, that's what folks in the old days called the "glass cannon". It's a viable build, but it has it's drawbacks. Just because every sorcerer has been running around for months and months as "tankmages" doesn't mean when the mechanics are equalized they are just going to be free kills...unless of course those players are terrible and have been solely relying on disproportionate mechanics. In which, case, they will learn how to adjust and play better over time.
WTB Magick based Dodge roll and Bash and other abilities that are being implemented unevently to all the classes.
In 2.1, Hardened ward isn't the issue. Healing Ward is. Other class shields have other utilities other than just being a damage shield.
Dodge Roll and Bash all work off and scale off stamina. In no class is itA lot of things with damage shields are changing next PTS patch.
- Shields can be crit
- Healing Ward being adjusted to take the full 50% reduction from battle spirit (not happening currently)
- Possibly Hardened Ward "bonus" shield strength will be brought in line
Let's wait and see what happens, and then complain.
People are already reporting on the PTS that magicka scaled shields seem even more powerful due to the damage reduction changes as well. If ZOS wants sorcerers to stay with magicka scaling shields, that's fine, just change the other classes (Templar and DK) to do the same.1 -
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✭✭✭✭pvpaddict42 wrote: »
Dodge Roll and Bash all work off and scale off stamina. In no class is itA lot of things with damage shields are changing next PTS patch.
- Shields can be crit
- Healing Ward being adjusted to take the full 50% reduction from battle spirit (not happening currently)
- Possibly Hardened Ward "bonus" shield strength will be brought in line
Let's wait and see what happens, and then complain.
People are already reporting on the PTS that magicka scaled shields seem even more powerful due to the damage reduction changes as well. If ZOS wants sorcerers to stay with magicka scaling shields, that's fine, just change the other classes (Templar and DK) to do the same.
I don't think you read what I wrote correctly. Dodge roll and bash *and* other abilities implemented unevenly to all the classes. Point was, just because hardened ward scales off of magicka where the other class shields scale off of health doesn't mean a thing.
And magicka shields do not scale more powerfully compared to PTS but the reduction in burst potential has lead to healing ward being far stronger than on live relative to everything else. Maximum Healing ward shield value was nerfed by 12.3%, 7/7 light Dampen Magick was nerfed by 27.6% Hardened ward was nerfed by 29.7%...all other shields were nerfed by 41.1%
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✭The templar's shield deals damage (despite how much it was nerfed) and the dk's shield is cast on allies as well. Is that a point to note or is it just "sorc's spam shields too much"?
jep no one is mentioning the 10man group situation
have 10 dks cast their shields = 30k+ shields on everybody
have 10 sorc cast their shield = 10-15k on everbody
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