NO STAM REGEN While Blocking, this has got to be pulled before it goes live.

Anhedonie · July 2015

ZOS, just edit Cyrodiil debuff, so it stops your stamina regeneration during blocking. Dunno if it's possible, maybe game coding is more complicated than I thought.

Sneak_Thief · July 2015

Anhedonie wrote: »

ZOS, just edit Cyrodiil debuff, so it stops your stamina regeneration during blocking. Dunno if it's possible, maybe game coding is more complicated than I thought.

They can already do that, why they dont I don't know. So ill just raise hell until its a pvp thing only

Sneak_Thief · July 2015

At this point I'm not just thinking about me and my abilities. I am quite confident in them. However what I see happening is the gap between casuals and elitist is widening further. Elitist shouldn't get their hard mode at a casuals exspense. I know it bothers my wife that she is unable to do alot of content as is, these are the 99%ers. ZOS please don't let that 1% of crazy good players who find the best builds and gear to exploit be he cause of so many nerfs, especially to PvE. Thats my wish.

grimsfield · July 2015

The whole Idea of continuing to nerf stamina regen, is just dumb, because it affects alot more than just pvpers who are trying to perma block. The real solution for that problem should have been a reduction to the effectiveness of blocking.

Yes, blocking negates too much damage!

That said, if you reduce the effectiveness of blocking, people will die alot more, so if you reduce the effectiveness of blocking, you must also reduce the damage that players/mobs/bosses/etc deal. Either that, or give people more health, and more effective healing. This way you can keep damage dealt the same but people won't die as easily.

Do these changes and people will not block as much and they will not be basically immune to damage while blocking.

I've always thought there were too many one-shot mechanics in this game as it is. So a solution as I describe above, I think would not be asking too much.

Personofsecrets · July 2015

grimsfield wrote: »

The whole Idea of continuing to nerf stamina regen, is just dumb, because it affects alot more than just pvpers who are trying to perma block. The real solution for that problem should have been a reduction to the effectiveness of blocking.

Yes, blocking negates too much damage!

That said, if you reduce the effectiveness of blocking, people will die alot more, so if you reduce the effectiveness of blocking, you must also reduce the damage that players/mobs/bosses/etc deal. Either that, or give people more health, and more effective healing. This way you can keep damage dealt the same but people won't die as easily.

Do these changes and people will not block as much and they will not be basically immune to damage while blocking.

I've always thought there were too many one-shot mechanics in this game as it is. So a solution as I describe above, I think would not be asking too much.

In some ways I think the nerf to stamina regeneration while blocking was due to the other changes happening in cyrodiil; those are decrease effectiveness of shields and decreased damage.

The problem, if that is the case, is that it isn't an apples to apples change. Decreased damage deals with health, decreased shields deal with health, but decreased stamina regeneration for blockers deals in a different currency.

Thinking about it that way means your proposed change makes a lot of sense.

Paradox · July 2015

Reduction, sure. Make is 75%, test it, if it works -- good. If not, 50%... Test it, if it works -- good.

100% reduction in stamina regeneration while blocking is NOT a good thing for anyone but stamina users. Magicka users get ***.

J2JMC · July 2015

I love how all of a sudden the "hardcore" players are coming to the defense of the "casuals" after complaining that "casuals" are the reason the game is too easy. Guess admitting something is too hard for them is too much to bear on the ego. It'd be a lot more funny if it wasn't just sad. What the heck, i'll still laugh. LOL

On a more serious note, do you think ZOS would still be making these changes if the CP system did not exist?

Personofsecrets · July 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

On a more serious note, do you think ZOS would still be making these changes if the CP system did not exist?

I'm really not sure.

While tanking with 70 cp was a harder on the stats than tank is with 200, the stamina regeneration is such a tremendous change that I can't see champion points ever compensating for it.

Paradox · July 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

I love how all of a sudden the "hardcore" players are coming to the defense of the "casuals" after complaining that "casuals" are the reason the game is too easy. Guess admitting something is too hard for them is too much to bear on the ego. It'd be a lot more funny if it wasn't just sad. What the heck, i'll still laugh. LOL

On a more serious note, do you think ZOS would still be making these changes if the CP system did not exist?

Only idiots blame casual players for a game's issues. The game is too easy. End-game content isn't for casual players. I could care less about quests.

Rinmaethodain · July 2015

Ubernerf to stamina regeneration is unjustfied and unfair.
It was brought to game under false accusations and selfish intentions.

PvP dpses cheer for it because now they can one shot tanks that are already harmless in pvp (i talk about TRUE tanks not "DPS with sword and board" who is recognised as tank by limited people).

Among all the changes going along with "You will no longer regenerate stamina while blocking" the only thing ZOS added to "help" to balance this unnesesary nerf is to make serpent mundus stone give stamina regeneration.

TOO BAD that still when blocking even serpent mundus stone will give absolute 0 of stamina.

Thanks for gimping and crippling every tank in game just because some PVPers made false accusations that "tanks are OP in PVP". Thank you for ignoring whole community of PVE tanks and taking away their right to regenerate stamina while blocking.

When are we expecting "no mana regeneration while casting spells and healing" and "no health regeneration while doing anything"?

They are usually the last one standing when whole group goes down. They are capable of resing people even if attacked by multiple mobs while standing in AOE. They can survive alone long enough to charge an ultimate with high damage shield (leap or magma shell) and bring whole party back to game.

But not anymore. Thanks to ZOS "0 stamina regen while blocking" now every bit of tank stamina will be precious and spent only on blocking attacks.
No more rolling, no more dodging, no more sprinting to save party members who went down.

Only NOW thanks to "0 stamina regen while blocking" nerf, tanking will become boring and not possible for those who are not in the 1% of know every mechanic without looking at boss.

If you think its not true, and you still are a tank then you probably spent last 50 dungeon runs with your special selected group of perfect DPSes and Healers doing your perfect runs and your group chat was full of "FTC report player X on enemy Y DPS OVER 9000!!". And of course when your perfect run didnt go as planned, one dps got killed then everyone on chat started crying "wipe wipe" because its not like, a party can get up in middle of fight and recover from that situation? No, in the perfect world boss dies in 30 seconds and if not whole party suicides to restart.

Also to everyone claiming this game is too easy. Maybe if you didnt spent last months farming CP after CP, getting best possible gear and running every dungeon in your perfect group of friends, maybe then you wouldnt complain after running vet banished cells that "OMGIENOE CONTENT TOO EASY"

Try running a 100% pug with people who never been in that dungeon, see how "boring" tanking is.

Mojmir · July 2015

Seriously

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Ubernerf to stamina regeneration is unjustfied and unfair.
It was brought to game under false accusations and selfish intentions.

PvP dpses cheer for it because now they can one shot tanks that are already harmless in pvp (i talk about TRUE tanks not "DPS with sword and board" who is recognised as tank by limited people).

Among all the changes going along with "You will no longer regenerate stamina while blocking" the only thing ZOS added to "help" to balance this unnesesary nerf is to make serpent mundus stone give stamina regeneration.

TOO BAD that still when blocking even serpent mundus stone will give absolute 0 of stamina.

Thanks for gimping and crippling every tank in game just because some PVPers made false accusations that "tanks are OP in PVP". Thank you for ignoring whole community of PVE tanks and taking away their right to regenerate stamina while blocking.

When are we expecting "no mana regeneration while casting spells and healing" and "no health regeneration while doing anything"?

They are usually the last one standing when whole group goes down. They are capable of resing people even if attacked by multiple mobs while standing in AOE. They can survive alone long enough to charge an ultimate with high damage shield (leap or magma shell) and bring whole party back to game.

But not anymore. Thanks to ZOS "0 stamina regen while blocking" now every bit of tank stamina will be precious and spent only on blocking attacks.
No more rolling, no more dodging, no more sprinting to save party members who went down.

Only NOW thanks to "0 stamina regen while blocking" nerf, tanking will become boring and not possible for those who are not in the 1% of know every mechanic without looking at boss.

If you think its not true, and you still are a tank then you probably spent last 50 dungeon runs with your special selected group of perfect DPSes and Healers doing your perfect runs and your group chat was full of "FTC report player X on enemy Y DPS OVER 9000!!". And of course when your perfect run didnt go as planned, one dps got killed then everyone on chat started crying "wipe wipe" because its not like, a party can get up in middle of fight and recover from that situation? No, in the perfect world boss dies in 30 seconds and if not whole party suicides to restart.

Also to everyone claiming this game is too easy. Maybe if you didnt spent last months farming CP after CP, getting best possible gear and running every dungeon in your perfect group of friends, maybe then you wouldnt complain after running vet banished cells that "OMGIENOE CONTENT TOO EASY"

Try running a 100% pug with people who never been in that dungeon, see how "boring" tanking is.

Sorry there is no so much awesome button,but so true. If the point of you play style is too just commit morbid and accomplish everything in the game before anyone else than your playing mmos wrong.not saying you gotta dumb it down but it's not a race.realize some ppl aren't career gamers.

Mojmir · July 2015

Guys in another thread already beat one of the new dungeons,I guess we gonna get nerfed harder as punishment?

P3ZZL3 · July 2015

@MaximusDargus You do raise some good points.

As far as I knew, one of the main reasons they were nerfing the regen was that heavyweight tanks were in pve content, holding down block, with very little issue against the boss'

I agree with the pugs as well, first time I ever did darkshade was with a Pug. 2.5hrs to do it and a lot of pain and shaking of heads. Second time with Guild, 60 mins who were still new to Darkshade.

As for the Serpent - I'm surprised. I thought that it WOULD regen whilst blocking. IT would be the counter balance of removing the Stam regen as a whole whilst blocking. The consequence of having that, is that you lose your Mundus stone for it. Would seem like a fair trade off imo.

J2JMC · July 2015

Personofsecrets wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

On a more serious note, do you think ZOS would still be making these changes if the CP system did not exist?

I'm really not sure.

While tanking with 70 cp was a harder on the stats than tank is with 200, the stamina regeneration is such a tremendous change that I can't see champion points ever compensating for it.

I agree, which is why I think if the cp system did not exist this change would not have come through. I'll even go a step further and say I think the roll dodge and streak changes are also a cause of the cp system. The sorc shield nerf as well.

Rinmaethodain · July 2015

This is what happens when ZOS listen to 1% of blase elite, gross on CP and best gear who will advocate for changes to which "they will adapt" ignoring the fact that beside their own faces, there is 99% of community left.

There is no problem when ZOS decides to give new hard and difficult content to people who are bored with everything there is currently.

But there is a BIG PROBLEM when ZOS decides to make all current content more difficult, with an unjustified nerf to the core part of every party. Nerfing tanks and their stamina regen. By doing so they ignore the whole playerbase who does not have perfect skills, perfect gear and perfect cookie cutter builds.

Im terrified that so far, only feedback to player concerns that ZOS gave, is ALWAYS related to IC PVP content, TV stones and all things related to PVP.

It seems that even ZOS forgot that beside IC, this update also contains a "base game patch" that changes a lot of things, and some of them, just like ubernerf to stamina regen, is not necessary and unjustified. And they are not reacting in any visible way to feedback of those who are most hurt with this nerf, the real tanks of ESO (not fake tanks, dpses with sword and board and damage builds).
And only justification they give is that "they want to make tanking more attactive"? Apparently zos thinks tanking is boring? Well this is false, just like many people proved with anti "0 stam regen" threads.
And the statement that some specially assigned team of devs tested all content and declared its doable with "0 stam regen" is just silly.

RedTalon · July 2015

Play test it and give feedback on the pts forum and while on the pts /feedvacj us great

corwinDA · July 2015

My pal is my groups primary tank for PvE and loves PvP when he saw that stamina regen was going away while blocking he reacted much like the op did but since then he has turned around by looking at all they plan to do in the next dlc. There are a lot of exploits out there and any class right now has an op build in pvp so we really should stop our whining on that and as for PvE I agree with the post of taking in a balanced group. Right now if your geared right you can out dps all vet dungeons so those who rolled a healer are left in the wind till trials but what do you get by then? Healers that cant heal effectively because they never needed too. Yes, drop the max dps potions and learn that regen potions exist and have a use.

LEGENDARYYY · July 2015

adapt

Rinmaethodain · July 2015

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

adapt

Said person playing for a year, who runs a pseudo tank (a dps with sword and board) build which is semi reason why PVP complaints influenced ZOS to ubernerf every eso real tank (instead of focusing on pseudo DPS+sword and board builds).

LEGENDARYYY · July 2015

MaximusDargus wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

adapt

Said person playing for a year, who runs a pseudo tank (a dps with sword and board) build which is semi reason why PVP complaints influenced ZOS to ubernerf every eso real tank (instead of focusing on pseudo DPS+sword and board builds).

uhm? I'm 5x heavy. Doing about 6k single dps, how is that dps?

Anyways, tanks are OP atm, no wonder a nerf comes around.

I love how you say "REAL" tank, but.. wait.. what does that even mean?

Personofsecrets · July 2015

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

adapt

Said person playing for a year, who runs a pseudo tank (a dps with sword and board) build which is semi reason why PVP complaints influenced ZOS to ubernerf every eso real tank (instead of focusing on pseudo DPS+sword and board builds).

uhm? I'm 5x heavy. Doing about 6k single dps, how is that dps?

Anyways, tanks are OP atm, no wonder a nerf comes around.

I love how you say "REAL" tank, but.. wait.. what does that even mean?

>6k DPS
>OP

I feel like we have to chose one of those, not both.

Rinmaethodain · August 2015

Did you know that you can use /feedback function on PTS to provide comments about new features?

Because apparently ZOS during last ESO live claimed that they are getting "positive" feedback about "0 stamina regen while blocking" and they are going to keep it untill 1.7 will go to live server.

Its almost like they dont bother to check PTS forum feedback about this issue, and they have only IC related threads bookmarked.
And while that, apparently PVPers who will benefit from this unjustified nerf, common trolls and people who dont have anything to do with tanking are sending false-positive feedback while in game on PTS with /feedback function to mislead ZOS or give them excuse to keep this change.

(because apparently ZOS thinks that only people who log in to PTS are allowed to have any feedback, and they ignore the fact that anyone who can use their brain and think on their own aka smart person will know that ubernerfing something to 0 is just plain sick).

So due to above circumstances, anyone who cares for PVE tanking and not just his own a** (not the top elite of pver who "ran vdsa 100 times and think game is boring" that can only think about themselfs and are supporting this change to keep monopoly over ALL content in ESO since they will adapt to any crap that ZOS will pull off) should get into PTS and use /feedback function to provide his opinion about "0 stamina regen while blocking"

Skwor · August 2015

The stamina changes are the best thing to date. There should be no regen while blocking. Enough already with the limitless pool for stamina builds.

The current meta is obviously OP and I for one am very happy with the current status of the changes.

Tolmos · August 2015

I'm probably the only tank looking forward to the change. lol

That said, I haven't tried it on PTS so I won't vote.

Malediktus · August 2015

Nothing good comes out of balance actions which affect PvE and PvP at the same time. Balance of both should be strictly split.

Wing · August 2015

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Did you know that you can use /feedback function on PTS to provide comments about new features?

Because apparently ZOS during last ESO live claimed that they are getting "positive" feedback about "0 stamina regen while blocking" and they are going to keep it untill 1.7 will go to live server.

probably lawl, and as long as one person says its good technically they are "getting positive feedback" they are simply ignoring the boatloads of negative feedback (as is evidence by the already mentioned boatloads of negative feedback and no dev acknowledgement or response in any way shape or form)

in all my years of gaming I have never wanted to smack a game dev in the mouth, until now, and they couldn't block it either because. . .they have no stam regen (HA!)

they never gave a mechanical reason for it either, just vague unspecific terms. and the elite 1% that advocate the change claim its because "tanking got too easy in 1.6". . .EVERYTHING got too easy at 1.6, that's what happens when you remove softcaps and introduce a giant power spike system like the CP system.

so where are the healing and dps nerfs because they are "too easy" a "problem" and "not fun"?

HMMMMMMMM?

im waiting?

Skwor · August 2015

Wing wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Did you know that you can use /feedback function on PTS to provide comments about new features?

Because apparently ZOS during last ESO live claimed that they are getting "positive" feedback about "0 stamina regen while blocking" and they are going to keep it untill 1.7 will go to live server.

probably lawl, and as long as one person says its good technically they are "getting positive feedback" they are simply ignoring the boatloads of negative feedback (as is evidence by the already mentioned boatloads of negative feedback and no dev acknowledgement or response in any way shape or form)

in all my years of gaming I have never wanted to smack a game dev in the mouth, until now, and they couldn't block it either because. . .they have no stam regen (HA!)

they never gave a mechanical reason for it either, just vague unspecific terms. and the elite 1% that advocate the change claim its because "tanking got too easy in 1.6". . .EVERYTHING got too easy at 1.6, that's what happens when you remove softcaps and introduce a giant power spike system like the CP system.

so where are the healing and dps nerfs because they are "too easy" a "problem" and "not fun"?

HMMMMMMMM?

im waiting?

I see a lot of people posting here that these are good changes. Those of us who see this as needed and good are hardly a small minority.

Dreddnawt · August 2015

They are removing all defenses so this game will degenerate into a massive masochistic death fest. When this goes live we can all thank ZOS for murdering the TES franchise we all USED TO love so much.

RinOkumara · August 2015

Honestly, the no stam regen while blocking is not that bad. Maybe instead of whining on the forums you could be practicing with the new changes.(:

codybrewer78b14_ESO · August 2015

I agree with anything that makes this game more challenging. I think if you find this game easy you are not "the greatest player ever" you are average at best. If people find it too hard then they should go back to lower level areas and dungeons and learn how to fight. Problem is people race to VR14 and never learn how to play the game!