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AngryNord wrote: »

Yes, we really need to get back the original start from the first public beta, with the long tutorial, full choice of weapons in the tutorial, obligatory starting islands (which DID have the option to leave the first one early), and slower paced leveling so you weren't constantly 3-4 levels above everything in the initial zones

This.
The new tutorial that seemed to be "upgraded" ( and I use the term very loosely ) when the game went B2P is appalling. They've not only messed about with the weapon choices, removed half the containers in the tutorial, and added that crappy forced and locked camera to try to handhold people through blocking and using the LMB to swing a weapon ( REALLY? People need instruction on how to press LMB?? ) but they've also completely ruined the voice acting.

It's horrible, a very bad introduction to a beautiful game, and not even a patch on what it once was.

Curious what genius at Zenimax thought they were improving the tutorial with the changed from how it was before ?

AngryNord wrote: »

Yes, we really need to get back the original start from the first public beta, with the long tutorial, full choice of weapons in the tutorial, obligatory starting islands (which DID have the option to leave the first one early), and slower paced leveling so you weren't constantly 3-4 levels above everything in the initial zones

I really don't think that weapons and armor have to be handed out (or selected) during the initial phase of the tutorial, before leaving the Bleeding Forge. They are looking to simplify this part of the game while they teach basics and the armor and weapon choices are not basic enough at this level. There should be a ton of opportunities through normal game play to get weapon and armor before arriving in Daggerfall/Davon's Watch/Vulkhel Guard.

The new tutorial is much better than the one they launched on PC and had in the first public beta. There can be no doubt of this. Even as a person familiar with both MMO and Elder Scrolls games, I found the original tutorial to be inadequate. That does not mean that they cannot continue to improve the new tutorial.

If they are not teaching about looting, they should be. I am certain that a lot of people who play are unaware of chests, urns, and other containers. They need to know they can get equipment, and worthless junk, from these things. It does not help that not all chests, urns, and containers are actually lootable. For many people, if there is not a glow or arrow to point it out, they will not know to go there. On the other hand, the need to loot will undoubtedly drive people away since there is a certain segment of the population that just wants to kill things and move on. When I see the latter in game, I am not sure if they are deliberately bypassing the loot, did not see it, or did not know about it.

I definitely need to run a character through the tutorial again.

I have always agreed that they need to drop the player in the starting island as originally intended. Rather than trying to change the main quest pipeline to make the starter islands optional by traveling back to them, they needed to make it easy and obvious how to move on to the main starting city from the starter island without doing the quests there. The starting islands were the first major quest decision of the game and it was a contained and controlled environment. The starting islands presented a limited set of options to the player.

The game, as it exists today, takes them through this very narrow and controlled tutorial and then plops them in the main city with a "stop by for a visit" quest. They step out of that building into the main city with a gazillion options, people everywhere, and endless options. All this directly from the tightly controlled tutorial. From the wading pool to swimming across the ocean.

But, the main city is where the bypass people want to start, not stuck on some island one hop from where they want to be.

I actually happen to Love the new version of the tutorial. Sure you don't get to choose your weapon but in a prison break you just go with whatever is handy... In this case it's the 2h sword (which is arguably one of the best weapons in the game anyhow). Shortly after you can loot enough by running around that you can find something to suit your personal tastes and the exp given is so minimal it's virtually irrelevant because in 5 minutes on the starter islands you'll level your items of choice above what you did int he tutorial.
It doesn't explain how MMO's function but I feel like it does a good job of explaining how to move and fight. The rest can be sorted out by hitting Escape and reading your key-bind set up.