Purpose of PTS

PeggymoeXD · August 2015

I find it funny how some players get on the Public Test Server to grief. I'm all for ganking the Imperial City entrances, but this is PTS. How are players supposed to test the Imperial City if they can't get into it. For the record, I haven't died once to a ganker, but I've killed about 6, and whispered all of them that this isn't the purpose of PTS. If IC is bugged to hell when it goes live, I'm blaming gankers whether that's logical or not.. lol. Also, I'm going to laugh my rear end off when the majority of players who have biting jabs spamming templates are forced to play with regular characters and have a miserable time in cyrodiil. Keep in mind, I've had a great time in Imperial City. I just wish more players understood what PTS' purpose is. Test features. Test skills. More than one skill. Test. Nobody cares if you're OP A F on PTS.

Gyudan · August 2015

Test ganking?

PeggymoeXD · August 2015

Gyudan wrote: »

Test ganking?

There it is! I was waiting for this, but had no idea it was going to be the first remark. Ganking is ganking. What the hell is there to test? You stealth, you attack, you kill, you stealth. There. I've tested ganking for you.

Seriously though. This is not me being salty at all. Like I said, I've successfully made it into IC every time, even killing gankers. I just don't get what the point of ganking entrances in PTS is unless you're purposefully just trying to give players who legitimately want to test a hard time. Especially with this update. We're supposed to be testing Imperial City. What are you going to report as bugged sitting outside a sewer grate?

PBpsy · August 2015

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

Test ganking?

There it is! I was waiting for this, but had no idea it was going to be the first remark. Ganking is ganking. What the hell is there to test? You stealth, you attack, you kill, you stealth. There. I've tested ganking for you.

Seriously though. This is not me being salty at all. Like I said, I've successfully made it into IC every time, even killing gankers. I just don't get what the point of ganking entrances in PTS is unless you're purposefully just trying to give players who legitimately want to test a hard time. Especially with this update. We're supposed to be testing Imperial City. What are you going to report as bugged sitting outside a sewer grate?

It tests the dynamics of the overall PVP experience. That is a very important aspect in this release. If you watched the QA sesion you would have seen that there are a few changes that are being made mainly due how easy is to gank, zerg and escape ganking.

At the moment it is quite important to find out things like exploitable camp spots,ways to farm like crazy with nor risk,ways in which you can completely lock access to zones without effort etc. If you think that something is very off you should report it.

PeggymoeXD · August 2015

PBpsy wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

Test ganking?

There it is! I was waiting for this, but had no idea it was going to be the first remark. Ganking is ganking. What the hell is there to test? You stealth, you attack, you kill, you stealth. There. I've tested ganking for you.

Seriously though. This is not me being salty at all. Like I said, I've successfully made it into IC every time, even killing gankers. I just don't get what the point of ganking entrances in PTS is unless you're purposefully just trying to give players who legitimately want to test a hard time. Especially with this update. We're supposed to be testing Imperial City. What are you going to report as bugged sitting outside a sewer grate?

It tests the dynamics of the overall PVP experience. That is a very important aspect in this release. If you watched the QA sesion you would have seen that there are a few changes that are being made mainly due how easy is to gank, zerg and escape ganking.

Fair enough. But I still think you're a butthole if you're camping on the test server just to practice ganking outside the entrances when you could do it IN the city. Especially when every update to date has been bugged as all get out. I'm more concerned with a functioning, balanced game than being a turd to people who would like to test it.

olemanwinter · August 2015

I've ganked a few times. I usually change my build and gear based on a theory....go gank 3 or 4 people then leave with my data until I have a new theory and repeat.

WHY? Because I can't buy a 1v1 on the PTS.

I can't test things in a 1 v 3 while getting smacking in the side of the face by a Ogrim.

Now, I don't sit and camp. The whole "ganking" process is maybe 5 minutes then done until next time.

If TTK was reduced to the point that dealing maximum damage is not enough to kill an opponent before my resources run out, then I have to adjust my build. I have to test that.

And now my new build I don't run out of resources but do I still have enough damage to outpace their healing? I have to test that.

Maybe I need to change up my armor allocation to survive longer fights. I have to test that.
......Etc etc etc....I have to test that.

Down in the sewers almost everyone is running groups of 3 or larger except 10 feet in front of their bases. Down in the sewers if you start to beat someone they go aggro 4 Zombies and a Harvester. Or you're already engaged in that side of the fight before they come hit you.

PeggymoeXD · August 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

I've ganked a few times. I usually change my build and gear based on a theory....go gank 3 or 4 people then leave with my data until I have a new theory and repeat.

WHY? Because I can't buy a 1v1 on the PTS.

I can't test things in a 1 v 3 while getting smacking in the side of the face by a Ogrim.

Now, I don't sit and camp. The whole "ganking" process is maybe 5 minutes then done until next time.

If TTK was reduced to the point that dealing maximum damage is not enough to kill an opponent before my resources run out, then I have to adjust my build. I have to test that.

And now my new build I don't run out of resources but do I still have enough damage to outpace their healing? I have to test that.

Maybe I need to change up my armor allocation to survive longer fights. I have to test that.
......Etc etc etc....I have to test that.

Down in the sewers almost everyone is running groups of 3 or larger except 10 feet in front of their bases. Down in the sewers if you start to beat someone they go aggro 4 Zombies and a Harvester. Or you're already engaged in that side of the fight before they come hit you.

You can't 1v1? Sure you can. I've done it plenty of times. Yeah there are NPC's everywhere, but multiple times I've had fair 1v1's inside empty buildings, and even last night some EP and DC were 1v1'ing right outside their spawns in arena district.

Obviously this thread is only going to attract gankers so they can tell me how wrong I am, but I'm just thinking back on how just about every update, especially large ones, are horrible when they go live. I will definitely be at sewer entrances come the 31st, but right now I'm more focused on finding balance and stability within the game itself rather than needing to be the most OP player in Cyrodiil. That's just me. You all know my opinion now, so have at thee.

olemanwinter · August 2015

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Obviously this thread is only going to attract gankers so they can tell me how wrong I am.

It must be nice to go through life like that, feeling superior and enlightened and unquestionably "correct". Opposition is like water off a ducks back. Regardless of opposition or result you cannot be convinced you are wrong. If everyone agrees with you it proves you're right. If everyone disagrees with you it just proves only the people who disagree with you bothered to post.

Aaaaaannnnnywayyy, I said I was unable to buy a 1v1. You're luck in finding 1v1 doesn't change mine. I've played the PTS every day since launch and had 2 fights total in all that time that didn't involve extra enemies or NPCs.

So I gank when I need to test something quick. Only a few times.

But honestly, based on your thread I really wish I could come camp your entrance right now. Just so I could soak up your righteous indignation.

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PeggymoeXD · August 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Obviously this thread is only going to attract gankers so they can tell me how wrong I am.

It must be nice to go through life like that, feeling superior and enlightened and unquestionably "correct". Opposition is like water off a ducks back. Regardless of opposition or result you cannot be convinced you are wrong. If everyone agrees with you it proves you're right. If everyone disagrees with you it just proves only the people who disagree with you bothered to post.

Aaaaaannnnnywayyy, I said I was unable to buy a 1v1. You're luck in finding 1v1 doesn't change mine. I've played the PTS every day since launch and had 2 fights total in all that time that didn't involve extra enemies or NPCs.

So I gank when I need to test something quick. Only a few times.

But honestly, based on your thread I really wish I could come camp your entrance right now. Just so I could soak up your righteous indignation.

Wow, that was a pretty good guess at who I am as a person. Unfortunately you're entirely wrong. First of all, what I meant by that comment wasn't at all me saying "Everything I'm saying here is right and anyone who disagrees is wrong". I clearly agreed with the @PBpsy when he replied to me. I just stated I think you're a butthole if you gank just to gank. Trust me, very rarely do I have any idea what I'm talking about, and your attempt to pinpoint my personality made me laugh hysterically. Mostly because I'm an insane evil villain. I don't even care at this point to respond to your comment that's relevant to the thread lol

EDIT: Actually I'm going to say something. I stated I whisper everyone who has attempted to gank me outside of my entrance. Not a single one of them said "I'm ganking to practice this build" or "I'm just testing some skills." In fact, they respond with butthurt remarks like "stfu" or "don't worry I'll be back"

My favorite one was when I said "PTS is for testing, go inside to practice ganking." and he replied with "why don't you practice dying."

To me, if I was ganking to practice a new build or a skill that had been tweaked in the update, I would have been quick to reply explaining that's what I was doing. But not a single one did. Of course that doesn't necessarily prove that they weren't, but there is no denying that there are players who are ganking just to be annoying and try to make others miserable.

bosmern_ESO · August 2015

I've tried most abilities for Templar (magicka build) and their only good ability is puncturing sweeps is really the best ability we have, it does the most damage while healing, we're kinda forced to use it if we want a class ability for dps.

firstdecan · August 2015

I love how these gankers are trying to justify their griefing, when if they really wanted to test it they would test it against a friend and compare notes. Find a friend, logon with toons in different alliances, then setup the gank and have him react. You would have more control over your results and a better idea of what's effective and not effective. Any argument stating that you have to gank to test your build is fallacious. If you were really testing your build you would do so in a more controlled manner.

I agree with @PeggymoeXD, most of these guys are just there to be jerks. Of course, that's the demographic this content is designed towards, it'll be interesting for 15 minutes and then most people won't bother with it. It will only see use by griefers, people trying to buy new sets, and completionists (those who want to get the skyshards \ quests \ achievements). Honestly though, I'm glad they are there. Since this is exactly what the content is geared towards, it'll give ZoS and the community a better idea of what to expect.

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

There are always gonna be those players who just have to greif cause that's all they know how to do even if it is on a PTS. Short term there just some players who are that pathetic. Also there probly testing around stuff so they can still do there melty one shots I have ran into NB who can still melt players hellavu fast on PTS that could be another reason but I'm sticking with my first guess that some players are just that pathetic.

Halfwitte · August 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

There are always gonna be those players who just have to greif cause, because that's all they know how to do even if it is on a PTS. Short term there just some players who are that pathetic. Also there they're probly probably testing around stuff so they can still do there their melty melting one shots I have ran run into a NB who can still melt players hellavu crazy fast on PTS that could be another reason but I'm sticking with my first guess that some players are just that pathetic.

Gotta love how this person calls Zenimax fan base/players pathetic. Hear that Zenimax people who bought and play your game are pathetic according to That ^^^ Guy. Positive contribution to making the game better if I've ever heard one.

olemanwinter · August 2015

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Trust me, very rarely do I have any idea what I'm talking about,

I trust you.

PeggymoeXD · August 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Trust me, very rarely do I have any idea what I'm talking about,

I trust you.

Nice, I figured that would be your take-away.

ToRelax · August 2015

PBpsy wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

Test ganking?

There it is! I was waiting for this, but had no idea it was going to be the first remark. Ganking is ganking. What the hell is there to test? You stealth, you attack, you kill, you stealth. There. I've tested ganking for you.

Seriously though. This is not me being salty at all. Like I said, I've successfully made it into IC every time, even killing gankers. I just don't get what the point of ganking entrances in PTS is unless you're purposefully just trying to give players who legitimately want to test a hard time. Especially with this update. We're supposed to be testing Imperial City. What are you going to report as bugged sitting outside a sewer grate?

It tests the dynamics of the overall PVP experience. That is a very important aspect in this release. If you watched the QA sesion you would have seen that there are a few changes that are being made mainly due how easy is to gank, zerg and escape ganking.

At the moment it is quite important to find out things like exploitable camp spots,ways to farm like crazy with nor risk,ways in which you can completely lock access to zones without effort etc. If you think that something is very off you should report it.

Testing the "dynamics of the overall PVP experience" doesn't work outside of the Imperial City on PTS, especially not with the current ruleset.
Inside, I see your point, but not ganking at the entrances.

olemanwinter wrote: »

I've ganked a few times. I usually change my build and gear based on a theory....go gank 3 or 4 people then leave with my data until I have a new theory and repeat.

WHY? Because I can't buy a 1v1 on the PTS.

I can't test things in a 1 v 3 while getting smacking in the side of the face by a Ogrim.

Now, I don't sit and camp. The whole "ganking" process is maybe 5 minutes then done until next time.

If TTK was reduced to the point that dealing maximum damage is not enough to kill an opponent before my resources run out, then I have to adjust my build. I have to test that.

And now my new build I don't run out of resources but do I still have enough damage to outpace their healing? I have to test that.

Maybe I need to change up my armor allocation to survive longer fights. I have to test that.
......Etc etc etc....I have to test that.

Down in the sewers almost everyone is running groups of 3 or larger except 10 feet in front of their bases. Down in the sewers if you start to beat someone they go aggro 4 Zombies and a Harvester. Or you're already engaged in that side of the fight before they come hit you.

So you're a lone player without friends who play on PTS, have no dueling guild and are unable to ask the other testers for a 1v1? Okay, I'm sorry.

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

Halfwitte wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

There are always gonna be those players who just have to greif cause, because that's all they know how to do even if it is on a PTS. Short term there just some players who are that pathetic. Also there they're probly probably testing around stuff so they can still do there their melty melting one shots I have ran run into a NB who can still melt players hellavu crazy fast on PTS that could be another reason but I'm sticking with my first guess that some players are just that pathetic.

Gotta love how this person calls Zenimax fan base/players pathetic. Hear that Zenimax people who bought and play your game are pathetic according to That ^^^ Guy. Positive contribution to making the game better if I've ever heard one.

Or maybe you can read closer how I said players not ESO fans but players as in the genereal purpose cause nearly all MMOs have these type of players who just have to grief cause they have nothing better to do but to ruin every one else good time on a online video game. I'm pretty sure that does make them a pathetic player and again as a player in general and not a ESO player.

Halfwitte · August 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Halfwitte wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

There are always gonna be those players who just have to greif cause, because that's all they know how to do even if it is on a PTS. Short term there just some players who are that pathetic. Also there they're probly probably testing around stuff so they can still do there their melty melting one shots I have ran run into a NB who can still melt players hellavu crazy fast on PTS that could be another reason but I'm sticking with my first guess that some players are just that pathetic.

Gotta love how this person calls Zenimax fan base/players pathetic. Hear that Zenimax people who bought and play your game are pathetic according to That ^^^ Guy. Positive contribution to making the game better if I've ever heard one.

Or maybe you can read closer how I said players not ESO fans but players as in the genereal purpose cause nearly all MMOs have these type of players who just have to grief cause they have nothing better to do but to ruin every one else good time on a online video game. I'm pretty sure that does make them a pathetic player and again as a player in general and not a ESO player.

I wouldn't recommend buying IC then if you don't to be killed by the pathetics. Zenimax all but called it a gansters gankers paradise.

Rinmaethodain · August 2015

Apparently PTS purpose is to nerf everything to the ground.

PVP whiners will check what skills kill them the most and then demand to nerf them all under the excuse of balancing and skills being OP just because they get killed by them.

Then people whose skills got nerfed will then counternerf skills of people who got them nerfed. And thats how nerf loop begins.

PTS is one big excuse to that so every PVP will try to use some made up arguments to fight for himself the most by either demanding buff to his abilities or nerf to other abilities.

Sacadon · August 2015

It is most likely their play style plain and simple. Ganking (surprise attacking player(s) from some position of advantage) is an accepted style of PvP play in ESO based on Wheeler and Wrobel laughing and saying how much they enjoyed fighting them on PTS. Like you did in killing them each time vs. getting killed, it's very fun. Dieing to a ganker not so much. But it's not griefing in this PvP game.

Sacadon · August 2015

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

My favorite one was when I said "PTS is for testing, go inside to practice ganking." and he replied with "why don't you practice dying."

Agreed in that the other responses to your whispers were trending towards being more akin to aholers, but this one was just hilarious IMO...

PeggymoeXD · August 2015

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Apparently PTS purpose is to nerf everything to the ground.

PVP whiners will check what skills kill them the most and then demand to nerf them all under the excuse of balancing and skills being OP just because they get killed by them.

Then people whose skills got nerfed will then counternerf skills of people who got them nerfed. And thats how nerf loop begins.

PTS is one big excuse to that so every PVP will try to use some made up arguments to fight for himself the most by either demanding buff to his abilities or nerf to other abilities.

I'm not sure if this is directed towards my biting jabs comment, but there is no denying that it is a broken skill. It's already been confirmed that it will be nerfed as well. I've said multiple times on here that I'm having a great time in Imperial City. I have earned thousands upon thousands of stones, because I'm pretty good at surviving even without being a tank. This comment was more of a quick jab (pun intended) at the players who don't have a templar toon on live, and are just on PTS to spam one skill. They will be very unhappy when IC goes live and they never practiced an actual build because they were too busy trying to be OP on the freakin PTS lol

Robbmrp · August 2015

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

I find it funny how some players get on the Public Test Server to grief. I'm all for ganking the Imperial City entrances, but this is PTS. How are players supposed to test the Imperial City if they can't get into it. For the record, I haven't died once to a ganker, but I've killed about 6, and whispered all of them that this isn't the purpose of PTS. If IC is bugged to hell when it goes live, I'm blaming gankers whether that's logical or not.. lol. Also, I'm going to laugh my rear end off when the majority of players who have biting jabs spamming templates are forced to play with regular characters and have a miserable time in cyrodiil. Keep in mind, I've had a great time in Imperial City. I just wish more players understood what PTS' purpose is. Test features. Test skills. More than one skill. Test. Nobody cares if you're OP A F on PTS.

Give it up, most people don't care one bit. Most of the gankers are too busy trying to find the next best gank spot or game exploit that will pad their pocket with Tel var stones. The only way this update will get adequate testing is for both PVP and No PVP test periods. This is the only way we would be able to test everything coming in the update. It isn't going to happen though and I'd say 75% of the bugs are going to go straight to the live server.....

PeggymoeXD · August 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

I find it funny how some players get on the Public Test Server to grief. I'm all for ganking the Imperial City entrances, but this is PTS. How are players supposed to test the Imperial City if they can't get into it. For the record, I haven't died once to a ganker, but I've killed about 6, and whispered all of them that this isn't the purpose of PTS. If IC is bugged to hell when it goes live, I'm blaming gankers whether that's logical or not.. lol. Also, I'm going to laugh my rear end off when the majority of players who have biting jabs spamming templates are forced to play with regular characters and have a miserable time in cyrodiil. Keep in mind, I've had a great time in Imperial City. I just wish more players understood what PTS' purpose is. Test features. Test skills. More than one skill. Test. Nobody cares if you're OP A F on PTS.

Give it up, most people don't care one bit. Most of the gankers are too busy trying to find the next best gank spot or game exploit that will pad their pocket with Tel var stones. The only way this update will get adequate testing is for both PVP and No PVP test periods. This is the only way we would be able to test everything coming in the update. It isn't going to happen though and I'd say 75% of the bugs are going to go straight to the live server.....

This is the unfortunate truth.