PSA: Out-of-Date Addons

ZOS_JessicaFolsom
ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Community Manager
Hi everyone,

Just a friendly reminder that our talented community addon developers may not yet have had a chance to update their addons for the Imperial City patch. As such, we strongly recommend turning off any out-of-date addons (or even running completely clean by removing your addons folder from your PTS client folder and saving it to your desktop.)

While watching livestreams of the PTS, we've noticed that those who are playing with a lot of addons are more prone to extreme lag and crashes. Conversely, those who are playing with few or no addons are often experiencing little to no severe lag and crashing. This is not to say all lag and crashes are due to out-of-date addons, but removing them from the equation may help if you are experiencing either.

Thank you!
Jessica Folsom
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  • jaaf
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    Unfortunately this hasn't helped me. Disabled all addons, still crashing and lagging quite frequently.
  • Epona222
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    I didn't have any addons for the PTS in the first place, and it is completely unplayable - crashes every few minutes.
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  • ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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    Would you two be willing to post your dxdiag files? (Attach them to the post via the "Attach a file" link above "Post Reply.") Might help us track down potential issues. :)
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  • Epona222
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    Would you two be willing to post your dxdiag files? (Attach them to the post via the "Attach a file" link above "Post Reply.") Might help us track down potential issues. :)

    Sure thing. I did also submit the crash report forms in-game which hopefully should also help (my user name in-game is the same as here).

    GM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC

    Epona was a Romano-Celtic goddess dating back to around 1800 to 2000 years before computer games were invented.
  • ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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    Epona222 wrote: »
    Would you two be willing to post your dxdiag files? (Attach them to the post via the "Attach a file" link above "Post Reply.") Might help us track down potential issues. :)

    Sure thing. I did also submit the crash report forms in-game which hopefully should also help (my user name in-game is the same as here).

    Thank you very much! We'll have our Engineers take a look at this tomorrow.
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  • Attorneyatlawl
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    jaaf wrote: »
    Unfortunately this hasn't helped me. Disabled all addons, still crashing and lagging quite frequently.

    Make sure you rename or remove the addons folder entirely, in this case. Simply disabling them in-game actually does result in them being loaded, but not run :). For this problem you may find it resolves it for now.
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  • skillastat
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    My PTS version of ESO is clean. I just entirely downloaded it from zero and I still crash, even though I don't have any add-ons in it and didn't installed one in it.
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    *All characters are EP, except for one DC.


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  • Ayantir
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    Hello folks.

    I don't think it's the cause of your problems, but please also delete all files in Documents\Elder Scrolls Online\pts\SavedVariables, we found a nasty bug there.

    @ZOS, I've submitted a ticket throught /bug on PTS.
    Edited by Ayantir on July 29, 2015 4:39AM
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  • skillastat
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    Ayantir wrote: »
    Hello folks.

    I don't think it's the cause of your problems, but please also delete all files in Documents\Elder Scrolls Online\pts\SavedVariables, we found a nasty bug there.

    @ZOS, I've submitted a ticket throught /bug on PTS.

    Did you test it ? Does it works ?
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    -skillastat Stamina Nightblade
    -a blade spirit Stamina Templar
    -Ultima Online I Magicka Dragonknight
    -'Solo DC* Stamina Sorcerer
    -'Ultima Online Stamina Dragonknight
    -Nerd Dk Tank Dragonknight
    -Solochi Magicka Sorcerer
    -Solo Lucci Magicka Nightblade
    -Sølomon Magicka Warden

    *All characters are EP, except for one DC.


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  • Ayantir
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    Sorry, I don't have any crashes at all for now on pts. the problem I mentionned here is that savedvars are wiped at every login.
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  • Epona222
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    Epona222 wrote: »
    Would you two be willing to post your dxdiag files? (Attach them to the post via the "Attach a file" link above "Post Reply.") Might help us track down potential issues. :)

    Sure thing. I did also submit the crash report forms in-game which hopefully should also help (my user name in-game is the same as here).

    Thank you very much! We'll have our Engineers take a look at this tomorrow.

    I have some further information that may prove useful, I certainly found it an interesting development -
    I did not crash in the IC when using a new template character
    I crashed every few minutes in the IC when using my existing main character from the NA server (to the point where it is actually difficult to get in and out of the sewer door to/from Cyro before experiencing a crash).

    It is a very noticeable difference between the way the 2 characters behave. I did describe this giving character details in one of my crash reports, hopefully this extra info may help them to determine what the issue is.

    I will go back in and try a different existing character that was transferred from NA but different build/gear to see what happens with that one!

    To anyone else who is crashing every few minutes and is reading this - try a different character or a template character instead of one transferred, and see if it makes any difference (and report back to help ZOS sort it out).

    EDIT: Did eventually get hit by a CTD on my template character, during combat with an NPC in the Arena district. It is not the constant 'crash, crash, crash' that I was experiencing on my main though, this took a while of play before it became unstable, whereas my main can barely step through the door of IC without crashing.
    Edited by Epona222 on July 29, 2015 7:40AM
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  • Rune_Relic
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    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

    Are previous version equipment (including crafted/ dropped sets) compatible with update 1.7/2.1 ?
    There have been a few issues where specific Alts have issues with crashing in previous updates.
    Does ALL existing gear get upgraded by default or ignored ?

    Would it be worth players trying new/template characters if they are crashing all the time ?
    Is there an exiting character upgrade issue ?

    This might also impact addons if they are using initial data from a previous version that has since been upgraded.
    Edited by Rune_Relic on July 29, 2015 9:35AM
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  • Epona222
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    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

    Are previous version equipment (including crafted/ dropped sets) compatible with update 1.7/2.1 ?
    There have been a few issues where specific Alts have issues with crashing in previous updates.
    Does ALL existing gear get upgraded by default or ignored ?

    Would it be worth players trying new/template characters if they are crashing all the time ?
    Is there an exiting character upgrade issue ?

    This might also impact addons if they are using initial data from a previous version that has since been upgraded.

    Creating a template character does seem to make a difference, at least for me - I have been logged in on my template char for over an hour this session without crashing, whereas my imported main is still crashing every few mins or sometimes within seconds of reloading.

    I tried another imported character (lower level than my main) and she lasted longer than my main before crashing. I can't help wondering whether some sets of imported gear or maybe even inventory items are causing an issue.
    Edited by Epona222 on July 29, 2015 10:29AM
    GM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC

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  • theforgottenking1779
    Pc shouldn't get no addons if console players don't eso sucks balls on console
  • Epona222
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    Pc shouldn't get no addons if console players don't eso sucks balls on console

    I think you are on the wrong thread in the wrong forum - this is where we are testing future content.
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  • theforgottenking1779
    Epona222 wrote: »
    Pc shouldn't get no addons if console players don't eso sucks balls on console

    I think you are on the wrong thread in the wrong forum - this is where we are testing future content.

    Oh well
  • Epona222
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    Hmmm... OK, this COULD just be co-incidence.

    On my main I managed to get out of IC and go to the bank, took off all my gear and put it in the bank, picked up some of the gear that my template character got at startup and equipped that instead.

    Went back to IC, first time I got into combat I crashed.

    Reloaded and had another look at my gear. Destroyed the guild tabard I was wearing. Managed to walk through the EP base this time, go outside, loot containers, engage in combat with NPCs and enemy players, without constant crashing.

    I seem to have fewer issues (or at least greater intervals between crashes) when I am half undressed. I have the impression that other players think I am a bit unhinged at this point. :o
    Edited by Epona222 on July 29, 2015 11:10AM
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  • SIN-X
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    As much as I want to believe that the eng can fix it ..........

    1. get better servers
    2. use bigger servers
    3. fix the code errors much like the one that tries to log players out . Its the one that while your walking/riding or anything really says unable to log out in combat.
    4. fix the memory leak
    5. force remove players from cyro and IC when they log off so the pop caps are not total BS.

    I understand that some of this will require a hefty investment but I think its time to bring the game to par or walk away If you cannot.
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  • Cuyler
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    SIN-X wrote: »
    As much as I want to believe that the eng can fix it ..........

    1. get better servers
    2. use bigger servers
    3. fix the code errors much like the one that tries to log players out . Its the one that while your walking/riding or anything really says unable to log out in combat.
    4. fix the memory leak
    5. force remove players from cyro and IC when they log off so the pop caps are not total BS.

    I understand that some of this will require a hefty investment but I think its time to bring the game to par or walk away If you cannot.
    +1
    Edited by Cuyler on July 29, 2015 1:03PM
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  • HeroOfNone
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    Most addons don't even save settings so best to clear them. I do recommend at most though a hud to show the health and percentage and an addon that can track damage and time stamps like combat log statistics.

    I was able to run more than this during my stream, but I'll be disabling several for tonight's test.
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  • Kyuumu
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    I have a lot of add ons in pts and am able to remain logged in so far. What I have noticed is terrible lag everywhere. I have been traveling different areas checking out the crafted set changes etc and the lag is ridiculous.
  • Soulshine
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    You are kidding, right? Are we back to this again? While it is certainly possible that SOME lag issue may be attributed to outdated add ons, I highly doubt that disabling them will get rid of lag altogether.

    As is, if you expect us to actually test proper on what is and is not working in PTS changes, do not expect people to rip out the very systems needed to see them -- especially considering the native UI offers little to zero information of the type needed to establish baseline comparisons.
  • cjthibs
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    It is impossible for ZOS to make all versions of add-ons compatible with all versions of ESO.
    ...because they don't write them and can't modify them. That falls on the add-on authors.

    Since this is running a brand-new version of the API it can't be expected that the authors have updated their mods.

    I am running a handful of carefully selected add-ons on PTS and I have not crashed a single time. Not saying there aren't issues but don't be so quick to place blame just because it requires you to change something.

    And yes, you can be expected to their their game and not add-ons...because ZOS does not maintain them.
    Untick the boxes and carry on.
  • Epona222
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    cjthibs wrote: »
    It is impossible for ZOS to make all versions of add-ons compatible with all versions of ESO.
    ...because they don't write them and can't modify them. That falls on the add-on authors.

    Since this is running a brand-new version of the API it can't be expected that the authors have updated their mods.

    I am running a handful of carefully selected add-ons on PTS and I have not crashed a single time. Not saying there aren't issues but don't be so quick to place blame just because it requires you to change something.

    And yes, you can be expected to their their game and not add-ons...because ZOS does not maintain them.
    Untick the boxes and carry on.

    Did you even read the majority of the thread?
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  • IcyDeadPeople
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    Would you two be willing to post your dxdiag files? (Attach them to the post via the "Attach a file" link above "Post Reply.") Might help us track down potential issues. :)

    Also experiencing constant crashes, with no add ons. In my case they were most severe in Elven Gardens, Arena and Temple district. Was only able to play for a few seconds at a time in those districts, not enough time to type /stuck to exit.

    Was able to play about 10-20 minutes in Arboretum, Noble District and the sewer area that is flagged for pvp. Only time I tried Memorial District, it crashed when I clicked on the ladder, so I wasn't able to enter.
  • Lyrander
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    just saying - running with 15 addons atm.

    2 days PTS.

    1 Crash while entering Arena District.

    i dont think the crashes that some people are complaining about are all due to addons.
    that would be too simple ;)

    also - i have wonderful ping (for me everything below 200 is wonderful ,europe,) and FPS (around 100 on ultra settings)

    wish NA server would be like this.
  • ABL
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    Question is why u permeet addon's developpers ,as talentuous they are, to make lag and other joyousness.
    U dont know how to make a good ui and u dont give addon's devs proper tools to make one.

    Time to wake up and realise something is wrong with your ui.

    Either u make your proper ui with what ppl wait of a good mmo or u give to addon's devs the perfect tools to do clean things.

    This is professionalism.
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  • snowmanflvb14_ESO
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    I attached my dxdiag file if it helps. Ias soon as I climb the ladder into the templ iam crashing. Once i coem back into the game the moment i take a step I crashed. yesterday I could stay and fight for about 5 minutes inbetween crashes. Today I even removed the add on folder itself and still crash.

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  • Saucy_Jack
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    The only addons I have running are bankit, the inventory grid one, and wykkyd's toolbar. Sometimes I hit it lucky and can quest for quite a while (this includes zoning in and out of the IC/sewers); other times I'll load into the IC, place the toolbar up under my compass (since the adon placement settings aren't saving), take one step, an crash.
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  • Hookgrin
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    I have done the usersettings fix mentioned here: forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/201569/client-crashes-on-the-pts/p2

    Works great but...

    Wanted to let everyone know about another potential problem.

    Yesterday I turned back on most of my main combat add-ons. Other than the fact that they don't retain their settings (you have to reconfigure them any time you log off and back on, most likely an API change issue), everything seem to work great.

    After many hours of combat in the streets of IC I began experiencing an odd problem, it was as if I had a frame rate of like 2 or 3, but the FPS meter showed the normal 40. But my character movement was chugging along, slow, normal, slow, normal...

    I quit to the desktop and relaunched, it cleared up, but after awhile started again. With each restart the time until it happened got shorter, and the effect greater.

    I went in to the add-on menu where you can turn them all off by selecting to block out of date add-ons and did a reloadui, problem solved.

    In addition to add-ons not saving, there may be errors in data logging that might be causing memory issues or data structure issues. So if you are having performance issues, before reporting them try disabling add-ons as that might be having an impact on it.
    Edited by Hookgrin on August 2, 2015 7:50PM
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