Don't worry, you can easily solo Sorcs soon. Shields will be critable.
Shields combined with too much damage reduction on health is indeed annoying.

I will always be in love 1.6

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

I think the only times I've ever gotten through a sorcs shield is when I and like 5 others (NPCs or Players) were attacking them, other then that I've never done damage to them. Whats other peoples experiences fighting sorcs? What do you think about their current stat in the coming patch?

What class do you play? I'll tell you some secrets. All sorcs have just 3 shields that they stack; Hardened Ward (their only class shield), Harness/Dampen Magicka (from light armour skill line, only absorbs spells), Healing Ward (from the resto staff skill like, pointless to use when full hp).

I have 31k magicka and 52 points in the bastion. My Hardened Ward is 12k, my Dampen Magicka is 15k, and my Healing Ward is 5k when full hp and about 18k when low hp. This is average to above average. With this in mind if you see a sorc at full hp he will only have a maximum of 2 effective shields up. One of these shields, the stronger one, only absorbs spell damage, so if you're a stamina user you only really have to be concerned with the 12k Hardened Ward until their hp drops enough for them to use Healing Ward. So the trick for a stamina user is just to deal with the 12k Hardened Ward, CC them to stop them casting again and burst down their remaining hp. Sorcs only have about 12k stamina and about 600 stamina regen, which is enough for about 3 cc breaks before then have to pop a potion. You have to stop a sorc from casting his shields so cc, dps, cc, dps, cc, cc, dps.

If you're a magicka user then things are more tricky because you have to get through the 15k Dampen Magicka followed by the 12k Hardened Ward, before you get to the health pool. Any cc you use will not likely be enough to keep them down long enough to dps 2 wards plus health pool before they get a chance to cast again. This is a problem and zos should be addressing this rather than nerfing all shields, which will just leave sorcs easy prey to anyone with a 2h and bow (which they kind of already are).

So if your a stam user then just learn to play, but if your a magicka user then I'm sorry, you should just pick your fights until zos fix shield stacking (or just break shields all together).

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

I think the only times I've ever gotten through a sorcs shield is when I and like 5 others (NPCs or Players) were attacking them, other then that I've never done damage to them. Whats other peoples experiences fighting sorcs? What do you think about their current stat in the coming patch?

What class do you play? I'll tell you some secrets. All sorcs have just 3 shields that they stack; Hardened Ward (their only class shield), Harness/Dampen Magicka (from light armour skill line, only absorbs spells), Healing Ward (from the resto staff skill like, pointless to use when full hp).

I have 31k magicka and 52 points in the bastion. My Hardened Ward is 12k, my Dampen Magicka is 15k, and my Healing Ward is 5k when full hp and about 18k when low hp. This is average to above average. With this in mind if you see a sorc at full hp he will only have a maximum of 2 effective shields up. One of these shields, the stronger one, only absorbs spell damage, so if you're a stamina user you only really have to be concerned with the 12k Hardened Ward until their hp drops enough for them to use Healing Ward. So the trick for a stamina user is just to deal with the 12k Hardened Ward, CC them to stop them casting again and burst down their remaining hp. Sorcs only have about 12k stamina and about 600 stamina regen, which is enough for about 3 cc breaks before then have to pop a potion. You have to stop a sorc from casting his shields so cc, dps, cc, dps, cc, cc, dps.

If you're a magicka user then things are more tricky because you have to get through the 15k Dampen Magicka followed by the 12k Hardened Ward, before you get to the health pool. Any cc you use will not likely be enough to keep them down long enough to dps 2 wards plus health pool before they get a chance to cast again. This is a problem and zos should be addressing this rather than nerfing all shields, which will just leave sorcs easy prey to anyone with a 2h and bow (which they kind of already are).

So if your a stam user then just learn to play, but if your a magicka user then I'm sorry, you should just pick your fights until zos fix shield stacking (or just break shields all together).

I'm a Magicka templar, the weakest dps in the game...

Not sure what race you are but you always have the option to go stamina. I don't think I'm a bad player; I pvp every day, alliance rank 20, yet there are 2h stemplars that wreck me 80% of the time I encounter them. Now I'm prepared to admit that they are just better than me, my point is that you are not limited to the weakest dps in the game, unless you just want to heal. Also, this is off topic, but some of the highest ap earners I know are magicka templars, it's not just about doing the most damage, unless you want to play solo.

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

I think the only times I've ever gotten through a sorcs shield is when I and like 5 others (NPCs or Players) were attacking them, other then that I've never done damage to them. Whats other peoples experiences fighting sorcs? What do you think about their current stat in the coming patch?

What class do you play? I'll tell you some secrets. All sorcs have just 3 shields that they stack; Hardened Ward (their only class shield), Harness/Dampen Magicka (from light armour skill line, only absorbs spells), Healing Ward (from the resto staff skill like, pointless to use when full hp).

I have 31k magicka and 52 points in the bastion. My Hardened Ward is 12k, my Dampen Magicka is 15k, and my Healing Ward is 5k when full hp and about 18k when low hp. This is average to above average. With this in mind if you see a sorc at full hp he will only have a maximum of 2 effective shields up. One of these shields, the stronger one, only absorbs spell damage, so if you're a stamina user you only really have to be concerned with the 12k Hardened Ward until their hp drops enough for them to use Healing Ward. So the trick for a stamina user is just to deal with the 12k Hardened Ward, CC them to stop them casting again and burst down their remaining hp. Sorcs only have about 12k stamina and about 600 stamina regen, which is enough for about 3 cc breaks before then have to pop a potion. You have to stop a sorc from casting his shields so cc, dps, cc, dps, cc, cc, dps.

If you're a magicka user then things are more tricky because you have to get through the 15k Dampen Magicka followed by the 12k Hardened Ward, before you get to the health pool. Any cc you use will not likely be enough to keep them down long enough to dps 2 wards plus health pool before they get a chance to cast again. This is a problem and zos should be addressing this rather than nerfing all shields, which will just leave sorcs easy prey to anyone with a 2h and bow (which they kind of already are).

So if your a stam user then just learn to play, but if your a magicka user then I'm sorry, you should just pick your fights until zos fix shield stacking (or just break shields all together).

/respect

Hopefully people will read your post and start applying.

From posts on this forum it sounds like Healing Ward (from the Resto Staff skill line) is the main issue on the PTS and is being "enjoyed" by other classes besides sorcs. Even the OP could use it if he wants if he's a magicka Templar. >_<

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

I think the only times I've ever gotten through a sorcs shield is when I and like 5 others (NPCs or Players) were attacking them, other then that I've never done damage to them. Whats other peoples experiences fighting sorcs? What do you think about their current stat in the coming patch?

What class do you play? I'll tell you some secrets. All sorcs have just 3 shields that they stack; Hardened Ward (their only class shield), Harness/Dampen Magicka (from light armour skill line, only absorbs spells), Healing Ward (from the resto staff skill like, pointless to use when full hp).

I have 31k magicka and 52 points in the bastion. My Hardened Ward is 12k, my Dampen Magicka is 15k, and my Healing Ward is 5k when full hp and about 18k when low hp. This is average to above average. With this in mind if you see a sorc at full hp he will only have a maximum of 2 effective shields up. One of these shields, the stronger one, only absorbs spell damage, so if you're a stamina user you only really have to be concerned with the 12k Hardened Ward until their hp drops enough for them to use Healing Ward. So the trick for a stamina user is just to deal with the 12k Hardened Ward, CC them to stop them casting again and burst down their remaining hp. Sorcs only have about 12k stamina and about 600 stamina regen, which is enough for about 3 cc breaks before then have to pop a potion. You have to stop a sorc from casting his shields so cc, dps, cc, dps, cc, cc, dps.

If you're a magicka user then things are more tricky because you have to get through the 15k Dampen Magicka followed by the 12k Hardened Ward, before you get to the health pool. Any cc you use will not likely be enough to keep them down long enough to dps 2 wards plus health pool before they get a chance to cast again. This is a problem and zos should be addressing this rather than nerfing all shields, which will just leave sorcs easy prey to anyone with a 2h and bow (which they kind of already are).

So if your a stam user then just learn to play, but if your a magicka user then I'm sorry, you should just pick your fights until zos fix shield stacking (or just break shields all together).

I'm a Magicka templar, the weakest dps in the game...

Best healer though so dont expect to be good at dps. Go stamina if you want to kill sorcs, its that simple.

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

I think the only times I've ever gotten through a sorcs shield is when I and like 5 others (NPCs or Players) were attacking them, other then that I've never done damage to them. Whats other peoples experiences fighting sorcs? What do you think about their current stat in the coming patch?

What class do you play? I'll tell you some secrets. All sorcs have just 3 shields that they stack; Hardened Ward (their only class shield), Harness/Dampen Magicka (from light armour skill line, only absorbs spells), Healing Ward (from the resto staff skill like, pointless to use when full hp).

I have 31k magicka and 52 points in the bastion. My Hardened Ward is 12k, my Dampen Magicka is 15k, and my Healing Ward is 5k when full hp and about 18k when low hp. This is average to above average. With this in mind if you see a sorc at full hp he will only have a maximum of 2 effective shields up. One of these shields, the stronger one, only absorbs spell damage, so if you're a stamina user you only really have to be concerned with the 12k Hardened Ward until their hp drops enough for them to use Healing Ward. So the trick for a stamina user is just to deal with the 12k Hardened Ward, CC them to stop them casting again and burst down their remaining hp. Sorcs only have about 12k stamina and about 600 stamina regen, which is enough for about 3 cc breaks before then have to pop a potion. You have to stop a sorc from casting his shields so cc, dps, cc, dps, cc, cc, dps.

If you're a magicka user then things are more tricky because you have to get through the 15k Dampen Magicka followed by the 12k Hardened Ward, before you get to the health pool. Any cc you use will not likely be enough to keep them down long enough to dps 2 wards plus health pool before they get a chance to cast again. This is a problem and zos should be addressing this rather than nerfing all shields, which will just leave sorcs easy prey to anyone with a 2h and bow (which they kind of already are).

So if your a stam user then just learn to play, but if your a magicka user then I'm sorry, you should just pick your fights until zos fix shield stacking (or just break shields all together).

This is how I used to deal with sorc as a stam NB, but in the PTS currently, trying to burst anybody down is a fools game as they will have their shields back up before it is possible to deal them enough damage to kill them unless you have health, aslo as a stam NB I have no useful shield, or heals of my own to compare, and as such, I am finding that in the PTS my playstyle is garbage, I do better on my stampler than my NB, I honestly thought I would never see that day.

*edited to remove one extra use of the word "shield" where it didn't belong

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

So the trick for a stamina user is just to deal with the 12k Hardened Ward, CC them to stop them casting again and burst down their remaining hp. Sorcs only have about 12k stamina and about 600 stamina regen, which is enough for about 3 cc breaks before then have to pop a potion. You have to stop a sorc from casting his shields so cc, dps, cc, dps, cc, cc, dps.

Just curious: how do you do that in the 2.1 patch? Burst down their remaining HP? Unless the sorc is a sitting duck or seriously needs to learn to play, I just don't know. Only a stamina NB may have the burst DPS to do that, and I'm even not sure about it.

I admit I hadn't spotted that this was in the pts section when I first replied. I've heard it's a slapfest for all on the pts and can imagine how shields would exacerbate that.

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Where is the "lol" button to all the magicka Templars are the weakest dps? Magicka Templars should have no issues killing sorcs in pvp. Eclipse and Dark Flare combo works extremely well. Dark Flare since it hits hard and puts a health debuff on them so Healing Ward isn't as effective. You'll easily cc break a sorc with eclipse casting. Most sorc anticipate people will want to go in close... so they toss mines down a lot... but magicka Templars have the luxary of going ranged and melee... so mix it up and keep them on their toes... and keep eclipse on them as much as possible.

Except as soon as I see a dark flare being channeled, I'm going to crushing shock you and burst you to take advantage of the CC. As for eclipse and then dark flare, I will break free and do the same. No good sorc will fall for this. Really, they won't. And you're not going to run a Sorc out of stamina with ecplipse. Best thing for magicka templars to do against a sorc is eclipse + toppling charge + puncturing sweeps. Hands down.