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Is there any chance of bringing back 1.5 soft caps?

Kerioko
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I think bringing back soft caps would be a lot better solution then the band aids of potential CP caps and the nerfs to damage, healing, and shields in pvp.

Currently we have 35% damage reduction, 50% healing, and 50% shield reduction in cyrodiil. The main reasons for this is to lengthen TTK, stop 1-shots, and bring the nerf hammer down on shield spamming sorcs.

What I have seen from this on PTS:
- TTK is ridiculously long or ridiculously short, there seems to be no middle ground
- it is even easier for a small group to heal through damage (with a templar healer) meaning a lot of small group fights end in draws.
- Sorcs can still stack 100% shields even with the nerfs
- Ganking is still happening (it just takes more than one), but since dmg is so low, it is impossible to fight back effectively if you do survive
- People can still dodge forever if they stack enough stam regen
- Healing with anything other than templar is pointless because key healing abilities have been double nerfed (funnel health and healing ward)

I think, instead of these band aids, the best solution would be to return to 1.5 softcaps, stop shield stacking, and bring back the 1.5 health multiplier. This would:
- reduce damage because you couldn't stack resources to oblivion (increasing TTK)
- get rid of the need to nerf things like dodge, bolt escape, and cloak because you couldn't stack regen like crazy
- make hybrid builds viable again (more play as you want)
- reduce the need to cap the CP system (because you are still bound by hard and soft caps)
- make racials more balanced again because 10% stat bonuses would be less important.
- make health bar larger also increasing TTK
- and if shield stacking is prevented, it would fix the sorc shielding problem and non-templar healers can still use healing ward as a viable heal
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  • Naphariel
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    No. Caps of any kind are the ultimate evil and shouldn't be reintroduced until all other possible ways of fixing the issues you're talking about have been expended. Which they haven't.
  • Wing
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    generic "caps" are indeed a sign of and band aid for bad design, it means you don't know what is possible in your system. . .but ZoS does not seem to know what is possible with their system let alone how to fix it, so bring em on.
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  • Rinmaethodain
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    Capping anything is complete opposite of "play as you want" because when you hit a cap you are forced to start going into other direction and abandon what you planned to do.

    Its logical.

    I hope noone sane will support idea to make a step that will set back whole game, like what? 1 year to the past?
  • Wing
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    Capping anything is complete opposite of "play as you want" because when you hit a cap you are forced to start going into other direction and abandon what you planned to do.

    Its logical.

    I hope noone sane will support idea to make a step that will set back whole game, like what? 1 year to the past?

    very true but horizontal progression is more interesting and less broken the straight vertical progression. before during softcaps dps required various sources of damage, crit, stamina, bypass, and resource management to be effective. and coulg obtain this through various sets and combinations. hybrids were viable, and gear choice was very loose, as you could effectively cap your main goal (healing / tanking / dps) then see about spreading into other areas.

    now everyone stacks nothing but there primary goal, hybrids are dead and gone, and gear choices are so restricted its silly.

    watch ^_^

    wanna tank? 5 footman (3 jewelry) 5 hist, 2 monster set
    wanna dps? spell is 4 mt, 2 adroit, 2 cyrodil bands, 2 adroit, 2 torugs (or 2 VS monster set)
    etc.
    etc.


    Edited by Wing on August 1, 2015 8:20AM
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  • Lord_Hev
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    Yes yes yes yes yes please. WTB 1.5 with my shriven soul. Game's balance is getting worse and worse. Just suck it up and admit this was a disaster. Trial and error, good in theory, but in actual practice this whole situation is an utter mess.


    Please Zenimax, bring back 1.5. Or rather, look at what made 1.5 so good, and apply those concepts now.
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  • Ace_SiN
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    No.. Please stop with the "bring back soft caps" threads. Soft caps were terrible. In the end you never had a choice. Everyone ended up in the same grey area.

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  • Draehl
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    Perhaps, though more importantly I would have Battle Spirit reduce in-combat regen rates by 30% or so. Players should run out of resources eventually.
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    Alt: Argonian Dragonknight (Stam DoTs/Tank) 5H/2M - S&B + Bow
    Alt: Nord Templar Berserker (Rawr) 5M/2H - Dual Wield + Two Hander
    Alt: Altmer Sorceror (Pewpew) 7L - Destro + Resto
  • pppontus
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    Ace_SiN wrote: »
    No.. Please stop with the "bring back soft caps" threads. Soft caps were terrible. In the end you never had a choice. Everyone ended up in the same grey area.

    True, they ended up in a gray area. Now there's not even an area, there's not even a choice anymore. It's rather.. black and white :smile:
    Edited by pppontus on August 1, 2015 11:42AM
  • Erock25
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    I would love softcaps back personally.
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