The problem is this damage reduction. On live, you most likely die when you shields are down.
On pts, shields deplead a bit faster, but you have too much reaction time after that.
This lovely mistake=dead thing is over and I'm missing it

Kronosphere wrote: »

eh well a big battle is just an upscaled 1v1 to some degree. now i know that might sounds a bit stupid but what i mean is its still even. so you only die when they focus you eg make it a 10 v 1 temporarily. which is frustrating and boring. sure some really skilled people can 10v1 really well but i think good balance starts at 1v1 and you extrapolate from there.

Problem with attempting to balance at 1 v 1 is you end up homogenising everything and ultimately making no one happy

Dracane wrote: »

All this people complaining about not being able to break damage shields in a 1v1....
This game is designed for big battles, Alliance War. That's why you need 10 people to harm a Dragonknight tank, that's why you need more people to break damage shields.

All these values are designed for several enemies attacking you on a battle field. It is unevitable, that there are 1v1 encounters an many people love these, including me. But these encoutners are a small part of the game and Zenimax can't and won't adjust numbers for this small part of the game.
And no matter how much you complain, this won't change. I know, in a 1v1 situation, some classes are superior to other classes. A magicka Templar is done when he has to solo a good Stamina Nightblade.

However, I was in a 1v1 guild for a loooong time. And I know, that each class can beat each class in a 1v1. No matter if you have damage shields, permablock or permadodge roll. Good players know how it's done.

This is the point everyone stopped reading your post.

Cause no one with any PvP experience in any PvP game would would make this argument.

Xsorus wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

All this people complaining about not being able to break damage shields in a 1v1....
This game is designed for big battles, Alliance War. That's why you need 10 people to harm a Dragonknight tank, that's why you need more people to break damage shields.

All these values are designed for several enemies attacking you on a battle field. It is unevitable, that there are 1v1 encounters an many people love these, including me. But these encoutners are a small part of the game and Zenimax can't and won't adjust numbers for this small part of the game.
And no matter how much you complain, this won't change. I know, in a 1v1 situation, some classes are superior to other classes. A magicka Templar is done when he has to solo a good Stamina Nightblade.

However, I was in a 1v1 guild for a loooong time. And I know, that each class can beat each class in a 1v1. No matter if you have damage shields, permablock or permadodge roll. Good players know how it's done.

This is the point everyone stopped reading your post.

Cause no one with any PvP experience in any PvP game would would make this argument.

I hear it quite often actually, just 99% of the time its from someone playing with an OP class.

Xsorus wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

All this people complaining about not being able to break damage shields in a 1v1....
This game is designed for big battles, Alliance War. That's why you need 10 people to harm a Dragonknight tank, that's why you need more people to break damage shields.

All these values are designed for several enemies attacking you on a battle field. It is unevitable, that there are 1v1 encounters an many people love these, including me. But these encoutners are a small part of the game and Zenimax can't and won't adjust numbers for this small part of the game.
And no matter how much you complain, this won't change. I know, in a 1v1 situation, some classes are superior to other classes. A magicka Templar is done when he has to solo a good Stamina Nightblade.

However, I was in a 1v1 guild for a loooong time. And I know, that each class can beat each class in a 1v1. No matter if you have damage shields, permablock or permadodge roll. Good players know how it's done.

This is the point everyone stopped reading your post.

Cause no one with any PvP experience in any PvP game would would make this argument.

I believe the statement to be true.

The problem lies with newer games catering to solo and grp play alike. Edit: Let´s reword it: The game having multiple focuses in pvp solo/smallscale/zerg. The shield has to offer protection even in a coordinated grp v grp fight (bc eso offers no defensive synergies between classes/roles whatsoever) by the very design of eso.
It´s simply bad design that the sorc classes last active defense mechanism is a dmg shield and the option to make the class not a shielded turret but a highly mobile glasscannon with a shield that breaks after say two hits was pretty much patched out of the game with the first nerf of streak and is now complete.

BuggeX wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

All this people complaining about not being able to break damage shields in a 1v1....
This game is designed for big battles, Alliance War. That's why you need 10 people to harm a Dragonknight tank, that's why you need more people to break damage shields.

All these values are designed for several enemies attacking you on a battle field. It is unevitable, that there are 1v1 encounters an many people love these, including me. But these encoutners are a small part of the game and Zenimax can't and won't adjust numbers for this small part of the game.
And no matter how much you complain, this won't change. I know, in a 1v1 situation, some classes are superior to other classes. A magicka Templar is done when he has to solo a good Stamina Nightblade.

However, I was in a 1v1 guild for a loooong time. And I know, that each class can beat each class in a 1v1. No matter if you have damage shields, permablock or permadodge roll. Good players know how it's done.

This is the point everyone stopped reading your post.

Cause no one with any PvP experience in any PvP game would would make this argument.

I hear it quite often actually, just 99% of the time its from someone playing with an OP class.

arent all class op in there own way?

Ähm...no

Francescolg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Cause no one with any PvP experience in any PvP game would would make this argument.

yes, he must be a sorcerer ) he sounds like one and like a player, who closes his eyes when beeing presented facts:

- there are only 4 classes in this game
- large parts of this game are solo-content
- many players like to or even have to play alone or in small teams
- if you force players to just do pvp in large groups, you'll loose 50% or more of the Eso-player base

I bet he's either a sorc, or a guy who has been running in a large, organized groups, following orders all day long (no critical-rational awareness due to one-lateral gaming style) , never or seldomly getting in 1on1 situations after 1.6 went life. I

First, "he" is not a guy.
And you might want to tell me, where you have to fight other classes in this large solo content ?
Nothing can change the fact, that ZoS balanced this game around big battles and this is alright. The majority of players fights big battles, far more than 50% of Eso's player base....

Look how ZoS attempts to make Sorcerer DPS better in pve, but they are afraid, this could also affect pvp. (lighting splash is a great example for this) Their main focus is to balance big pvp I tell you. I can't blame them for that

I really hope that ZOS knows that trying to balance the game around 1v1, will ultimately ruin it.

Derra wrote: »

It´s simply bad design that the sorc classes last active defense mechanism is a dmg shield and the option to make the class not a shielded turret but a highly mobile glasscannon with a shield that breaks after say two hits was pretty much patched out of the game with the first nerf of streak and is now complete.

If ZOS would have done the "teleport-nurf" right, 8-10 months ago, we wouldn't have all this discussions. :-(
I am sorry, but your statement shows a misconception about the sorc class:

The sorcerer's class absorb shield IS NOT HIS LAST ACTIVE DEFENSE MECHANISM and SORC MOBILITY IS NOT LOST AT ALL after 1.7

You still can teleport more than once and teleport works perfectly to create gaps, or to port into the action.. just ADAPT!

>>> The mistake lies in reducing the sorcerer class to these two abilities and the culprit is ZOS, because the pre 1.6 nurfs were not done sufficiently, leaving the infinite porting practically unchanged. Not-touching Hardened Ward after raising the magicka-cap in 1.6 was the other HUGE mistake..
>>> As a consequence of the poorly done nurf to teleport and the huge disparities that emerged after 1.6, nuub-sorcerers think that 'this' (state of the class in 1.6) is normal.. Unfortunately, everything we hear now, would have been prevented by r
doing the job right, before introducing 1.6