Imperial City DLC, Elemental Defender in the CP Lord (Health) Tree, and Vampires (math halp omgg?)

Roselle · July 2015

I've been trying to figure out what I just typed in the discussion title. My PTS experience has been frustrating at best...

Does anyone know if Elemental Defender now negates all bonus fire damage if you're a vampire, or is it 25% off of the 25% bonus fire damage?

Math...

Uriel_Nocturne · July 2015

Kind of wondering that myself.

While I can't be in the PTS (I'm on console... *sigh*), I'm very much keeping an eye on the PTS feedback for when IC drops to my Xbox One on Sept 15th.

So far, i like what they've done with Drain Essence. Took a staple, utility ability and made it even more useful.

But I'm also a Dunmer Vampire with Flame Resistance maxed in my Racial Ability Skill tree. Now that the bonus damage from Fire is being cut from +40% to only +25%, what does my Dunmer Racial resistance to Fire to for that?

I'm excited by the possibilities!

Roselle · July 2015

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Kind of wondering that myself.

While I can't be in the PTS (I'm on console... *sigh*), I'm very much keeping an eye on the PTS feedback for when IC drops to my Xbox One on Sept 15th.

So far, i like what they've done with Drain Essence. Took a staple, utility ability and made it even more useful.

But I'm also a Dunmer Vampire with Flame Resistance maxed in my Racial Ability Skill tree. Now that the bonus damage from Fire is being cut from +40% to only +25%, what does my Dunmer Racial resistance to Fire to for that?

I'm excited by the possibilities!

I'm reading from a way older post that I might have to base it off my spell resistance, but I am so confused tbh.

Uriel_Nocturne · July 2015

Roselle wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Kind of wondering that myself.

While I can't be in the PTS (I'm on console... *sigh*), I'm very much keeping an eye on the PTS feedback for when IC drops to my Xbox One on Sept 15th.

So far, i like what they've done with Drain Essence. Took a staple, utility ability and made it even more useful.

But I'm also a Dunmer Vampire with Flame Resistance maxed in my Racial Ability Skill tree. Now that the bonus damage from Fire is being cut from +40% to only +25%, what does my Dunmer Racial resistance to Fire to for that?

I'm excited by the possibilities!

I'm reading from a way older post that I might have to base it off my spell resistance, but I am so confused tbh.

Personally; I think it will just reduce the +25% additional damage I take from Fire for being a Vampire. It will most likely bring me closer to having no bonus damage, which means I will be closer to taking just the normal amount of damage from having my flesh set ablaze... lol

Anhedonie · July 2015

Did a couple of tests on PTS today (31.07.2015).
Thanks to scamps for helping me with this.

Naked (no CP, no vampirism, no gear, no racial bonus, etc) - flare 544 dmg
Elemental defender 100 (no vampirism, no gear, no racial, etc) - flare 408 dmg
Elemental defender 100 + dunmer racial (no vampirism, no gear, etc) - flare 396 dmg

Vampire + Dunmer racial (no gear, no CP) - flare 660 dmg
Vampire + Elemental defender 100 (no gear, no racial, etc) - flare 510 dmg
Vampire + Elemental defender 100 + Dunmer racial (no gear) - flare 495 dmg

Uriel_Nocturne · July 2015

Anhedonie wrote: »

Did a couple of tests on PTS today (31.07.2015).
Thanks to scamps for helping me with this.

Naked (no CP, no vampirism, no gear, no racial bonus, etc) - flare 544 dmg
Elemental defender 100 (no vampirism, no gear, no racial, etc) - flare 408 dmg
Elemental defender 100 + dunmer racial (no vampirism, no gear, etc) - flare 396 dmg

Vampire + Dunmer racial (no gear, no CP) - flare 660 dmg
Vampire + Elemental defender 100 (no gear, no racial, etc) - flare 510 dmg
Vampire + Elemental defender 100 + Dunmer racial (no gear) - flare 495 dmg

Awesome. Thank you for this.

Hypertionb14_ESO · July 2015

on Live it seems to apply the effect after or before the damage bonus and yes can effectively reduce it to zero with it now 25% damage bonus.

one person i know on live is a vampire, has a 40% better HP pool than most of us and 70 or so in that trait... as a result he takes less of his HP % per fire hit than the rest of us.

Merlin13KAGL · July 2015

Equates to about a 6% overall reduction in fire damage.

125% fire damage before (w/25% additional damage from Vamp)

less 25% reduction:

100% * +25% = 125% * 75% (25% reduction) = 93.75 % of the original unmodified damage.

(This is versus the 75% that a non-Vamp would have)

Something to bear in mind though, if someone also has max Elemental Expert, their +25% damage effectively cancels most of your 25% reduction (leaving your 25% weakness the same as it was with no points in either.)

Reduced damage always wins by a bit (good thing), but not by much.

If you add fire resist jewelry on top of that, you'll take less damage still.

Uriel_Nocturne · July 2015

Thank you all for the info.

It's much appreciated, and has pretty much convinced me again why I love Vampire Dunmer so much. lol

Roselle · July 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Equates to about a 6% overall reduction in fire damage.

125% fire damage before (w/25% additional damage from Vamp)

less 25% reduction:

100% * +25% = 125% * 75% (25% reduction) = 93.75 % of the original unmodified damage.

(This is versus the 75% that a non-Vamp would have)

Something to bear in mind though, if someone also has max Elemental Expert, their +25% damage effectively cancels most of your 25% reduction (leaving your 25% weakness the same as it was with no points in either.)

Reduced damage always wins by a bit (good thing), but not by much.

If you add fire resist jewelry on top of that, you'll take less damage still.

Thanks for clarifying!