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Stamina Sorcerers with 2.1
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Kupoking✭✭✭✭✭Man I wish stam sorcs end up working well in the end.
Gots so much respect to stam sorcs I meet on the battlegrounds as most of them are beast players with a
class-build setup. 1 -
GreyRanger✭✭✭I just wanted to chime in and observe that the stamina changes do not measure up to the promises made when 1.6 broke them utterly.
Critical Surge is still a mess and I still don't understand why ZOS could not take the widely recommended suggestion to limit AOE targets rather than the endless series of weird tweaks, each of which creates new issues.
The general absence of synergy between sorcerer powers and stamina weapons is disappointing, but the key message from the Devs is really clear when you look at the passives:
All sorc passives boost magicka builds only.
The point is clear, you can make a stamina sorc if you want, but it is not an intended use of the class. If nothing else the following passives should be revised to help both types of builds (see recent changes to NB for an example):
Capacitor: increase STAMINA and magicka recovery
Expert Mage: increase WEAPON DAMAGE and spell damage
Exploitation: increase WEAPON CRITICAL and spell critical
Those changes are easy and have precedent and at least are a start.4 -
kkampaseb17_ESO✭✭✭GreyRanger wrote: »Capacitor: increase STAMINA and magicka recovery
Expert Mage: increase WEAPON DAMAGE and spell damage
Exploitation: increase WEAPON CRITICAL and spell critical
Those changes are easy and have precedent and at least are a start.
How many thumbs up should I put here in order for this to happen? Now add also the ability of Crystal Fragments to proc from Stamina abilities and you just fixed stamina sorc at least PvPwise without changing or adding anything to the ability morphs.
Edited by kkampaseb17_ESO on July 30, 2015 3:10PM0 -
GreyRanger✭✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »GreyRanger wrote: »Capacitor: increase STAMINA and magicka recovery
Expert Mage: increase WEAPON DAMAGE and spell damage
Exploitation: increase WEAPON CRITICAL and spell critical
Those changes are easy and have precedent and at least are a start.
How many thumbs up should I put here in order for this to happen? Now add also the ability of Crystal Fragments to proc from Stamina abilities and you just fixed stamina sorc at least PvPwise without changing or adding anything to the ability morphs.
If you create the Crystal Fragments proc for stamina abilities, please remember to make it a weapon power based morph rather than spell power. I would take that, but would prefer to see a morph that felt like it fit within the stamina build idea.1 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GreyRanger wrote: »I just wanted to chime in and observe that the stamina changes do not measure up to the promises made when 1.6 broke them utterly.
Critical Surge is still a mess and I still don't understand why ZOS could not take the widely recommended suggestion to limit AOE targets rather than the endless series of weird tweaks, each of which creates new issues.
The general absence of synergy between sorcerer powers and stamina weapons is disappointing, but the key message from the Devs is really clear when you look at the passives:
All sorc passives boost magicka builds only.
The point is clear, you can make a stamina sorc if you want, but it is not an intended use of the class. If nothing else the following passives should be revised to help both types of builds (see recent changes to NB for an example):
Capacitor: increase STAMINA and magicka recovery
Expert Mage: increase WEAPON DAMAGE and spell damage
Exploitation: increase WEAPON CRITICAL and spell critical
Those changes are easy and have precedent and at least are a start.
Frankly I think that's boring. Non-magicka builds deserve their own passives, as any other class has them.So far Sorcerers have Power Stone, Daedric Protection and Unholy Knowledge, which are not worse than other classes' passives, but don't add anything for offense. Templars for example have a passive that increases critical damage. DKs don't a lot for offense, but they have great stamina morphs and defensive passives to make up for it. Heck, even Nightblades have a passive that improves with heavy armor, something TES Sorcerers are supposedly proficient in.
My suggestion would be to replace Energize with something crit-based. A higher crit chance or additional effect on crits would synergize well with Surge.
For example, a passive that returns a fixed amount of magicka and stamina on crit with a storm calling ability slotted/active - not as good as Surge or NB's Siphoning Attack of course, but enough to sustain you and add something unique to Sorcerers besides a flat boring increase to attribute recovery. It would also fit the "Energize" theme.
Another option would be to decrease a target's spell resist/armor on crit. All the other classes have a way to lower somebody's armor, even in this update a Templar skill had Minor Breach added. So why not Sorcerers?
Further, and this has been suggested numerous times, I think our weapon attacks should be able to trigger the Disintegrate passive when buffed with Surge. It makes too much sense not to.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.1 -
Tonnopesce✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've tried mi first stamina sorcerer build today and i was amazed
Utilities like dark excange, BE (is like mass histeria!) the daedric mines (anti gankers) , the bound armaments and surge are really good.
With the vigor accessible and the 2 handed for a secure healing ( tru critical rush) are by far the second best stamina class imho .
Standing at + 60% critical rating with a Cat i got most of the times + 8k health back with a single wrecking blow and due to the lack of magika use if you combine a BE with a roll doge ( to avoid the increased cost of BE) you can go pretty much from side to side of a IC district.
I'm currently re rolling a sorcerer in the live server and i think it will be awesomeSignature0 -
Ahzek✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Tonnopesceb16_ESO
I see already that we have differnet views on whats good or not.
Additionally keep in mind this thread is about the PTS. In order to heal 8k from a wrecking blow there you have to hit with it for over 24k to begin with. This is literally impossible, since all damage dealt to players is cut in half. The highest i have seen my devastating blow crit for on a player was 7.Xk, which healed me for about 2.5k.
This is nothing to sustain you in a fight, and even with vigor i am having a hard time staying alive if i were to just stay offensive and tank the damage. Remember surge only heals on crit, and on most players those are only about 6k sometimes less and they only occur about 50-60% of the time dependig on your setup.
Edit: funnyly enough my WB has a tooltip of over 10k and i invested almost all my CP in mighty for more not in the tooltip reflected damge. In general most damage on the PTS seems to be a bit too low, bit crit surge has been double nerfed through the battle spirit changes to a point where it s almost laughable.Edited by Ahzek on July 30, 2015 4:31PMJo'Khaljor1 -
djyrb✭✭✭It seems like sorcs are in the unenviable place of being the focus of 3 balance tunings - Staff/Caster Sorc, Pet Sorc and Stam Sorc. Whereas the other classes can mostly be split into a magicka/stamina balancing, the developers still seem to be focusing on magicka when it comes to sorcs - since the patch notes seem to show more pet skill tweaking than anything else. It's weird because out of the magicka sorcs I see in PVP and endgame PVE, few if any are using a pet except in rare situations, so I hope ZOS is listening and can give some more attention to what these experienced stam sorcs are saying in this thread.0 -
Tonnopesce✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Tonnopesceb16_ESO
I see already that we have differnet views on whats good or not.
Additionally keep in mind this thread is about the PTS. In order to heal 8k from a wrecking blow there you have to hit with it for over 24k to begin with. This is literally impossible, since all damage dealt to players is cut in half. The highest i have seen my devastating blow crit for on a player was 7.Xk, which healed me for about 2.5k.
This is nothing to sustain you in a fight, and even with vigor i am having a hard time staying alive if i were to just stay offensive and tank the damage. Remember surge only heals on crit, and on most players those are only about 6k sometimes less and they only occur about 50-60% of the time dependig on your setup.
Edit: funnyly enough my WB has a tooltip of over 10k and i invested almost all my CP in mighty for more not in the tooltip reflected damge. In general most damage on the PTS seems to be a bit too low, bit crit surge has been double nerfed through the battle spirit changes to a point where it s almost laughable.
I was talking about pts...
I've done a template vr 14 and the heal is 60% of a hit and i don't have pointed if it was on a mob or on a player ( it was on a mob btw) . On a side note the new twilight mobs... Suck.
I' ve found that is really well balanced as a class even without a stamina "class" output, on the live i have a stamina templar a Dk ( now magika FTW) and a nightblade that i have swiched between stamina and magika many times, and again sorcerers are second only to NB
Edited by Tonnopesce on July 30, 2015 4:43PMSignature0 -
GreyRanger✭✭✭The pet tweaks seem to me to be saying come on please use pets in PVP and end game PVE. Problem is the toggle mancer is boring and you have little control (pets do what they will). ZOS keeps trying to balance the thing players have rejected and not balancing what they long for, odd.
When I seem a team mate with the pets out I sigh.1 -
Xael✭✭✭✭✭Regarding Stam, we (pvpers) are still using Boundless Storm. Mobility got nerfed hard with Hasty Retreat now giving Major Expedition. We pretty much keep Boundless Storm up at all times and this is problematic in Imp Cities mob dense areas. While PvPing I am constantly pulling aggro on mobs due to my Lightning Form. I can't tell you how often I now have to disengage a player just to ditch the train of *** chasing me. Not to mention the lack of stamina options we have through class abilities, im kind of stale using weapon skill line abilities which in this dumbing down of pvp damage makes ttk slow.I got killed in pvp, nerf everything...0 -
Snit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Boundless Storm is also critical to magicka sorcs, and most sorcs are magicka. I absolutely want stamina sorcs to see further improvements, but not by taking away a core skill for magicka builds.
Both morphs of lightning form should have the movement speed and a reasonable duration. The difference should simply be the resource from which they scale.Snit AD Sorc
Ratbag AD Warden Tank
Goblins AD Stamblade1 -
GreyRanger✭✭✭Boundless Storm is also critical to magicka sorcs, and most sorcs are magicka. I absolutely want stamina sorcs to see further improvements, but not by taking away a core skill for magicka builds.
Both morphs of lightning form should have the movement speed and a reasonable duration. The difference should simply be the resource from which they scale.
That is a simple/good fix. Agreed.0 -
Bfish22090✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »I still have no clue as to why they did not give Stamina Sorcerers Boundless Storm instead. Stamina Sorcerers cannot bolt like Magicka Sorcerers, that movement speed is so valuable to them. Why then give them Thundering Presence? Makes no sense to me.
Hang in there my Sorcerer comrades. :c
Just use quick cloak?
Most Stamina Sorcerers I know do not use dual wield. And as FENGRUSH pointed out, what really makes Boundless Storm beast is the buffs it gives. It makes no sense to give magicka Sorcs both Bolt Escape AND Boundless Storm. Stamina Sorcs would benefit farm more with Boundless Storm.
Boo. Hoo. Take away the magicka abilities that we have been using since beta because you have some selfish sense of entitlement. Nobody has ever used the other morph even magicka sorcs. It's different if you asked for them to be the same but to say screw all the magicka sorcs because we want it for ourselves is very selfish.
I agree. You can use wrecking blow for single tagret damage and steel tornado for aoe
What's the problem? There was no whining about stamina sorcs before IC
Stamina got nerfed overall anyways, if you want to be competitive you have to run a magicka sorc0 -
kkampaseb17_ESO✭✭✭Bfish22090 wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »I still have no clue as to why they did not give Stamina Sorcerers Boundless Storm instead. Stamina Sorcerers cannot bolt like Magicka Sorcerers, that movement speed is so valuable to them. Why then give them Thundering Presence? Makes no sense to me.
Hang in there my Sorcerer comrades. :c
Just use quick cloak?
Most Stamina Sorcerers I know do not use dual wield. And as FENGRUSH pointed out, what really makes Boundless Storm beast is the buffs it gives. It makes no sense to give magicka Sorcs both Bolt Escape AND Boundless Storm. Stamina Sorcs would benefit farm more with Boundless Storm.
Boo. Hoo. Take away the magicka abilities that we have been using since beta because you have some selfish sense of entitlement. Nobody has ever used the other morph even magicka sorcs. It's different if you asked for them to be the same but to say screw all the magicka sorcs because we want it for ourselves is very selfish.
I agree. You can use wrecking blow for single tagret damage and steel tornado for aoe
What's the problem? There was no whining about stamina sorcs before IC
Stamina got nerfed overall anyways, if you want to be competitive you have to run a magicka sorc
Running a magicka sorc to be competitive was always the case...especially for small scale/1 vs 1. Stamina sorcs were always the weird kid. Stamina sorcs didn't complain before IC cause we were waiting for a bone to be thrown by ZoS...unfortunately this bone was too...small thrown with all the stamina mud. That is why people are complaining. We were hoping that ZoS would read our feedback....and there was plenty along with very good ideas that would not unbalance the game....Edited by kkampaseb17_ESO on July 30, 2015 6:04PM0 -
GreyRanger✭✭✭Bfish22090 wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »I still have no clue as to why they did not give Stamina Sorcerers Boundless Storm instead. Stamina Sorcerers cannot bolt like Magicka Sorcerers, that movement speed is so valuable to them. Why then give them Thundering Presence? Makes no sense to me.
Hang in there my Sorcerer comrades. :c
Just use quick cloak?
Most Stamina Sorcerers I know do not use dual wield. And as FENGRUSH pointed out, what really makes Boundless Storm beast is the buffs it gives. It makes no sense to give magicka Sorcs both Bolt Escape AND Boundless Storm. Stamina Sorcs would benefit farm more with Boundless Storm.
Boo. Hoo. Take away the magicka abilities that we have been using since beta because you have some selfish sense of entitlement. Nobody has ever used the other morph even magicka sorcs. It's different if you asked for them to be the same but to say screw all the magicka sorcs because we want it for ourselves is very selfish.
I agree. You can use wrecking blow for single tagret damage and steel tornado for aoe
What's the problem? There was no whining about stamina sorcs before IC
Stamina got nerfed overall anyways, if you want to be competitive you have to run a magicka sorc
There were a mountain of threads when 1.6 came out. Forum goers were told don't worry help/balance is coming. So people dropped it. The current spate of posts is because when help came it is both underwhelming and unbalanced.3 -
Xael✭✭✭✭✭Bfish22090 wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »I still have no clue as to why they did not give Stamina Sorcerers Boundless Storm instead. Stamina Sorcerers cannot bolt like Magicka Sorcerers, that movement speed is so valuable to them. Why then give them Thundering Presence? Makes no sense to me.
Hang in there my Sorcerer comrades. :c
Just use quick cloak?
Most Stamina Sorcerers I know do not use dual wield. And as FENGRUSH pointed out, what really makes Boundless Storm beast is the buffs it gives. It makes no sense to give magicka Sorcs both Bolt Escape AND Boundless Storm. Stamina Sorcs would benefit farm more with Boundless Storm.
Boo. Hoo. Take away the magicka abilities that we have been using since beta because you have some selfish sense of entitlement. Nobody has ever used the other morph even magicka sorcs. It's different if you asked for them to be the same but to say screw all the magicka sorcs because we want it for ourselves is very selfish.
I agree. You can use wrecking blow for single tagret damage and steel tornado for aoe
What's the problem? There was no whining about stamina sorcs before IC
Stamina got nerfed overall anyways, if you want to be competitive you have to run a magicka sorc
Wait a second, you are saying we should just WB and ST and be happy? Rofl... our passives and core abilities are all Magicka based. Dark Exchange is a joke and the new Thundering Presence is even worse. All PvPers regardless of choice will use Boundless over Thundering for the movement speed.
Relying on WB (something with an obvious telegraph and a cast time) is just bad and narrowminded. I am still unsure why you even bothered to mention Steel Tornado. What Stamina Sorc worth a damn is going to use Dual Wield when Flying Blade damage got nerfed? ST spam is unreliable now and seems much weaker than on live. Slotting DW just for ST is terrible and completely unrelated to a class not being valid as Stam.
Regarding the "whining" statement
First off, I personally have been asking for Stamina morphs for a long ass time. Before they mentioned IC a year ago at Quakecon. Secondly, people like @Erock25 (as early as March) have gone as far as making a thread suggesting exactly what changes they feel would better the class.
Stamina didn't get nerfed. I still crush people on my NB and Templars are absolutely dominating. Sounds to me you have not pvped on pts yet and are just parroting stuff you hear on the forum.I got killed in pvp, nerf everything...1 -
FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »Bfish22090 wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »I still have no clue as to why they did not give Stamina Sorcerers Boundless Storm instead. Stamina Sorcerers cannot bolt like Magicka Sorcerers, that movement speed is so valuable to them. Why then give them Thundering Presence? Makes no sense to me.
Hang in there my Sorcerer comrades. :c
Just use quick cloak?
Most Stamina Sorcerers I know do not use dual wield. And as FENGRUSH pointed out, what really makes Boundless Storm beast is the buffs it gives. It makes no sense to give magicka Sorcs both Bolt Escape AND Boundless Storm. Stamina Sorcs would benefit farm more with Boundless Storm.
Boo. Hoo. Take away the magicka abilities that we have been using since beta because you have some selfish sense of entitlement. Nobody has ever used the other morph even magicka sorcs. It's different if you asked for them to be the same but to say screw all the magicka sorcs because we want it for ourselves is very selfish.
I agree. You can use wrecking blow for single tagret damage and steel tornado for aoe
What's the problem? There was no whining about stamina sorcs before IC
Stamina got nerfed overall anyways, if you want to be competitive you have to run a magicka sorc
Running a magicka sorc to be competitive was always the case...especially for small scale/1 vs 1. Stamina sorcs were always the weird kid. Stamina sorcs didn't complain before IC cause we were waiting for a bone to be thrown by ZoS...unfortunately this bone was too...small thrown with all the stamina mud. That is why people are complaining. We were hoping that ZoS would read our feedback....and there was plenty along with very good ideas that would not unbalance the game....
Here's some small scale PvP from last night - quality isnt the best sorry waiting on an external for clean vids. But please watch at least a little bit before you continue to say stam sorc isnt competitive.
FENGRUSH
This time with a URL that works.
Edited by FENGRUSH on July 30, 2015 6:48PM0 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »Bfish22090 wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »I still have no clue as to why they did not give Stamina Sorcerers Boundless Storm instead. Stamina Sorcerers cannot bolt like Magicka Sorcerers, that movement speed is so valuable to them. Why then give them Thundering Presence? Makes no sense to me.
Hang in there my Sorcerer comrades. :c
Just use quick cloak?
Most Stamina Sorcerers I know do not use dual wield. And as FENGRUSH pointed out, what really makes Boundless Storm beast is the buffs it gives. It makes no sense to give magicka Sorcs both Bolt Escape AND Boundless Storm. Stamina Sorcs would benefit farm more with Boundless Storm.
Boo. Hoo. Take away the magicka abilities that we have been using since beta because you have some selfish sense of entitlement. Nobody has ever used the other morph even magicka sorcs. It's different if you asked for them to be the same but to say screw all the magicka sorcs because we want it for ourselves is very selfish.
I agree. You can use wrecking blow for single tagret damage and steel tornado for aoe
What's the problem? There was no whining about stamina sorcs before IC
Stamina got nerfed overall anyways, if you want to be competitive you have to run a magicka sorc
Running a magicka sorc to be competitive was always the case...especially for small scale/1 vs 1. Stamina sorcs were always the weird kid. Stamina sorcs didn't complain before IC cause we were waiting for a bone to be thrown by ZoS...unfortunately this bone was too...small thrown with all the stamina mud. That is why people are complaining. We were hoping that ZoS would read our feedback....and there was plenty along with very good ideas that would not unbalance the game....
Here's some small scale PvP from last night - quality isnt the best sorry waiting on an external for clean vids. But please watch at least a little bit before you continue to say stam sorc isnt competitive.
FENGRUSH
This time with a URL that works.
Checked out the video (at least the first part) and noticed only streak and boundless storm on your bars. Is there anything else the sorc class provides to this build outside of those two actives?0 -
FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »Bfish22090 wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »I still have no clue as to why they did not give Stamina Sorcerers Boundless Storm instead. Stamina Sorcerers cannot bolt like Magicka Sorcerers, that movement speed is so valuable to them. Why then give them Thundering Presence? Makes no sense to me.
Hang in there my Sorcerer comrades. :c
Just use quick cloak?
Most Stamina Sorcerers I know do not use dual wield. And as FENGRUSH pointed out, what really makes Boundless Storm beast is the buffs it gives. It makes no sense to give magicka Sorcs both Bolt Escape AND Boundless Storm. Stamina Sorcs would benefit farm more with Boundless Storm.
Boo. Hoo. Take away the magicka abilities that we have been using since beta because you have some selfish sense of entitlement. Nobody has ever used the other morph even magicka sorcs. It's different if you asked for them to be the same but to say screw all the magicka sorcs because we want it for ourselves is very selfish.
I agree. You can use wrecking blow for single tagret damage and steel tornado for aoe
What's the problem? There was no whining about stamina sorcs before IC
Stamina got nerfed overall anyways, if you want to be competitive you have to run a magicka sorc
Running a magicka sorc to be competitive was always the case...especially for small scale/1 vs 1. Stamina sorcs were always the weird kid. Stamina sorcs didn't complain before IC cause we were waiting for a bone to be thrown by ZoS...unfortunately this bone was too...small thrown with all the stamina mud. That is why people are complaining. We were hoping that ZoS would read our feedback....and there was plenty along with very good ideas that would not unbalance the game....
Here's some small scale PvP from last night - quality isnt the best sorry waiting on an external for clean vids. But please watch at least a little bit before you continue to say stam sorc isnt competitive.
FENGRUSH
This time with a URL that works.
Checked out the video (at least the first part) and noticed only streak and boundless storm on your bars. Is there anything else the sorc class provides to this build outside of those two actives?
Not really - no. But not to underplay those skills, they are essential. But this is what stam sorc is today - bad options, no passives.0 -
FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭@Fengrush well there also is the overload exploit you seem to make nice use of
Yea just started messing with that last night. When youre fighting against magicka sorcs constantly doing the same it gets old. Doesnt add all that much anyway. Too lazy to do twice born star though. :P1 -
DEATHquidox✭✭✭Stamina sorcerer has been the worst race/resource combination since the release of 1.6 and has been promised improvements in the upcomming update of 2.1.
The purpose of this thread is to analyse the effectiveness of the measures taken by ZOS in the newest patch on the PTS to determine how much they actually help the stamina sorcerer and what could be done to make them better.
1st. the Thundering presence change. This is really only a sligth buff to PvE DPS for the stam sorc, since the main reason to use this ability was the movementspeed, thus making most (stam) sorcs stick with boundless Storm, which provides a little less damage ( around 400 per tick max), but gives the so needed movespeed.
Giving movementspeed to the main ability and making another completly new morph might help this issue.
2nd. The change for Dark Deal. Dark Deal is now a decently expensive magicka costing spell with a 1 second cast time, resoring 12% (6% in cyro) max health and 12% stamina.In theory this spell is pretty nice, however it lacks severly in the healing department ( ~1.6k for my 25k HP) and the cast time makes it very clunky to use, leaving you quite vulnerable.
Changing the cast time to instant and maybe giving it bumbing the heal could solve those issues.
3rd And in my opinion most important are the surge changes. Obviously buff duration increase and cost reduction, as well as the reduction of the heal cooldown are all very welcome changes that might help (crit)surge to actually be worth a slot on our bars.
However and this is a REALLY big however, the removal of DoT heals harms the ability more than helping it in my opinion. First of Rapid strikes is considered a DoT and wont heal on critical strikes anymore. This is a huge nerf for dual wield (stamina) sorcerers taking away the ability to heal from the highest damage ability in their arsenal. Similary this also affects other high damage DoTs that would actually be benefitial to get heals from, like soul assault, bat swarm or blood craze.
The only solution to this quite huge issue for me is to remove the DoT restricion from crit heals, because it quite clearly destroys certain setups.
Please share your opinions on these issues, as well as other changes i might have overlooked and possible solutions to the stam sorc issues in 2.1 below.
been a stam sorc for a long time and i can confirm all the above. we also lack a close range hard hitting stam ability, twin slashes+morphs is a terribly weak ability in itself, but we as a class lack our own built in stam nuke. i suggest altering crystal fragments to allow stam based procs that alter the spell to cost stamina (50% less cost ofc) that bases itself on weapon power+stam and is procced from stamina abilities+heavy attacks. this would give us a built in range stam nuke that works in close range that can stun.
streak is the next one for my target. streaking while stealthed needs to not break stealth giving a viable stealth initiate, especially for the DW using ones, make it alter the cost depending if you have more stamina or more magicka, so it's viable for both.
last one is the empowered ward. why is it still based on magicka? make it work on max health already, that healing intake was clearly aimed at survival, which is something stam sorcs have lacked, it still be viable for magicka as a sorc aiming for survival would boost their own health anyways.
passives that needs tweaked.
explotation needs to boost weapon crit as well, to make it fair.
Capaciter. why is this magicka regen only? pretty obvious we could use it for stam, even if it's only 50% of the value.
Disintigrate, allow it to work off of Surge at a 3% chance whenever using weapon attacks
Expert mage, rename it to something like inner spark and allow it to boost weapon damage as well.
i'm sorry for the wall of text but as someone that has been screwing around with stam sorc builds since beta, these are the things i feel like WE need.
I can agree, entirely. But i think they should come up with a new 3rd morph for every ability in this game or even 4 morphs so you dont see everyone using the same thing because all i see in every single sorc on ps4 using the same stuff and to me its annoying to see bevause id like to see a stam sorc with damage shields (harded ward stam morph) that would be amazing honestly it would make this game alot more versatile and see alot of players a different setup that would be good
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kkampaseb17_ESO✭✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »Bfish22090 wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »I still have no clue as to why they did not give Stamina Sorcerers Boundless Storm instead. Stamina Sorcerers cannot bolt like Magicka Sorcerers, that movement speed is so valuable to them. Why then give them Thundering Presence? Makes no sense to me.
Hang in there my Sorcerer comrades. :c
Just use quick cloak?
Most Stamina Sorcerers I know do not use dual wield. And as FENGRUSH pointed out, what really makes Boundless Storm beast is the buffs it gives. It makes no sense to give magicka Sorcs both Bolt Escape AND Boundless Storm. Stamina Sorcs would benefit farm more with Boundless Storm.
Boo. Hoo. Take away the magicka abilities that we have been using since beta because you have some selfish sense of entitlement. Nobody has ever used the other morph even magicka sorcs. It's different if you asked for them to be the same but to say screw all the magicka sorcs because we want it for ourselves is very selfish.
I agree. You can use wrecking blow for single tagret damage and steel tornado for aoe
What's the problem? There was no whining about stamina sorcs before IC
Stamina got nerfed overall anyways, if you want to be competitive you have to run a magicka sorc
Running a magicka sorc to be competitive was always the case...especially for small scale/1 vs 1. Stamina sorcs were always the weird kid. Stamina sorcs didn't complain before IC cause we were waiting for a bone to be thrown by ZoS...unfortunately this bone was too...small thrown with all the stamina mud. That is why people are complaining. We were hoping that ZoS would read our feedback....and there was plenty along with very good ideas that would not unbalance the game....
Here's some small scale PvP from last night - quality isnt the best sorry waiting on an external for clean vids. But please watch at least a little bit before you continue to say stam sorc isnt competitive.
FENGRUSH
This time with a URL that works.
Decent gameplay but what you show on your video I do every day. I still don't consider this as competitive since you didn't show how the class responds in very bad/tough situations where a magicka sorc would just outsurvive the situation with Hardened Ward and chain Streak.
Or you didn't show any good 1 vs 1 where your opponent is absolutely aware of you and you don't just Critical charge on him and you continue to light attack + execute spam him.
Your positioning is good I give you that. But the class doesn't perform as it could and that would show in appropriate fights.0 -
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well i look at NB's and see stamina only. yet best ones are magicka.PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
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✭✭✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »Bfish22090 wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »I still have no clue as to why they did not give Stamina Sorcerers Boundless Storm instead. Stamina Sorcerers cannot bolt like Magicka Sorcerers, that movement speed is so valuable to them. Why then give them Thundering Presence? Makes no sense to me.
Hang in there my Sorcerer comrades. :c
Just use quick cloak?
Most Stamina Sorcerers I know do not use dual wield. And as FENGRUSH pointed out, what really makes Boundless Storm beast is the buffs it gives. It makes no sense to give magicka Sorcs both Bolt Escape AND Boundless Storm. Stamina Sorcs would benefit farm more with Boundless Storm.
Boo. Hoo. Take away the magicka abilities that we have been using since beta because you have some selfish sense of entitlement. Nobody has ever used the other morph even magicka sorcs. It's different if you asked for them to be the same but to say screw all the magicka sorcs because we want it for ourselves is very selfish.
I agree. You can use wrecking blow for single tagret damage and steel tornado for aoe
What's the problem? There was no whining about stamina sorcs before IC
Stamina got nerfed overall anyways, if you want to be competitive you have to run a magicka sorc
Running a magicka sorc to be competitive was always the case...especially for small scale/1 vs 1. Stamina sorcs were always the weird kid. Stamina sorcs didn't complain before IC cause we were waiting for a bone to be thrown by ZoS...unfortunately this bone was too...small thrown with all the stamina mud. That is why people are complaining. We were hoping that ZoS would read our feedback....and there was plenty along with very good ideas that would not unbalance the game....
Here's some small scale PvP from last night - quality isnt the best sorry waiting on an external for clean vids. But please watch at least a little bit before you continue to say stam sorc isnt competitive.
FENGRUSH
This time with a URL that works.
Decent gameplay but what you show on your video I do every day. I still don't consider this as competitive since you didn't show how the class responds in very bad/tough situations where a magicka sorc would just outsurvive the situation with Hardened Ward and chain Streak.
Or you didn't show any good 1 vs 1 where your opponent is absolutely aware of you and you don't just Critical charge on him and you continue to light attack + execute spam him.
Your positioning is good I give you that. But the class doesn't perform as it could and that would show in appropriate fights.
Thats a fair point if youve never seen me play, but this is the only grouping Ive done in the last couple days. Theres other highlights and full gameplay on there though to take a pick at. Its not like I was a backround extra to the group though.
Point was to actually show me in play with other sorcs who are notably good players and keeping pace with them as well. Stam sorc holds up pretty well in current form in hard situations, more mobility than a magicka sorc. That will change dramatically in 1.7 though Id say and they will lose one of their biggest strengths.0 -
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✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »Bfish22090 wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »I still have no clue as to why they did not give Stamina Sorcerers Boundless Storm instead. Stamina Sorcerers cannot bolt like Magicka Sorcerers, that movement speed is so valuable to them. Why then give them Thundering Presence? Makes no sense to me.
Hang in there my Sorcerer comrades. :c
Just use quick cloak?
Most Stamina Sorcerers I know do not use dual wield. And as FENGRUSH pointed out, what really makes Boundless Storm beast is the buffs it gives. It makes no sense to give magicka Sorcs both Bolt Escape AND Boundless Storm. Stamina Sorcs would benefit farm more with Boundless Storm.
Boo. Hoo. Take away the magicka abilities that we have been using since beta because you have some selfish sense of entitlement. Nobody has ever used the other morph even magicka sorcs. It's different if you asked for them to be the same but to say screw all the magicka sorcs because we want it for ourselves is very selfish.
I agree. You can use wrecking blow for single tagret damage and steel tornado for aoe
What's the problem? There was no whining about stamina sorcs before IC
Stamina got nerfed overall anyways, if you want to be competitive you have to run a magicka sorc
Running a magicka sorc to be competitive was always the case...especially for small scale/1 vs 1. Stamina sorcs were always the weird kid. Stamina sorcs didn't complain before IC cause we were waiting for a bone to be thrown by ZoS...unfortunately this bone was too...small thrown with all the stamina mud. That is why people are complaining. We were hoping that ZoS would read our feedback....and there was plenty along with very good ideas that would not unbalance the game....
Here's some small scale PvP from last night - quality isnt the best sorry waiting on an external for clean vids. But please watch at least a little bit before you continue to say stam sorc isnt competitive.
FENGRUSH
This time with a URL that works.
Decent gameplay but what you show on your video I do every day. I still don't consider this as competitive since you didn't show how the class responds in very bad/tough situations where a magicka sorc would just outsurvive the situation with Hardened Ward and chain Streak.
Or you didn't show any good 1 vs 1 where your opponent is absolutely aware of you and you don't just Critical charge on him and you continue to light attack + execute spam him.
Your positioning is good I give you that. But the class doesn't perform as it could and that would show in appropriate fights.
Thats a fair point if youve never seen me play, but this is the only grouping Ive done in the last couple days. Theres other highlights and full gameplay on there though to take a pick at. Its not like I was a backround extra to the group though.
Point was to actually show me in play with other sorcs who are notably good players and keeping pace with them as well. Stam sorc holds up pretty well in current form in hard situations, more mobility than a magicka sorc. That will change dramatically in 1.7 though Id say and they will lose one of their biggest strengths.
notice you focused 2handed though, i'm assuming a bow focus or a DW focus would have made this a flop no?PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
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✭✭✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »Bfish22090 wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »DisgracefulMind wrote: »I still have no clue as to why they did not give Stamina Sorcerers Boundless Storm instead. Stamina Sorcerers cannot bolt like Magicka Sorcerers, that movement speed is so valuable to them. Why then give them Thundering Presence? Makes no sense to me.
Hang in there my Sorcerer comrades. :c
Just use quick cloak?
Most Stamina Sorcerers I know do not use dual wield. And as FENGRUSH pointed out, what really makes Boundless Storm beast is the buffs it gives. It makes no sense to give magicka Sorcs both Bolt Escape AND Boundless Storm. Stamina Sorcs would benefit farm more with Boundless Storm.
Boo. Hoo. Take away the magicka abilities that we have been using since beta because you have some selfish sense of entitlement. Nobody has ever used the other morph even magicka sorcs. It's different if you asked for them to be the same but to say screw all the magicka sorcs because we want it for ourselves is very selfish.
I agree. You can use wrecking blow for single tagret damage and steel tornado for aoe
What's the problem? There was no whining about stamina sorcs before IC
Stamina got nerfed overall anyways, if you want to be competitive you have to run a magicka sorc
Running a magicka sorc to be competitive was always the case...especially for small scale/1 vs 1. Stamina sorcs were always the weird kid. Stamina sorcs didn't complain before IC cause we were waiting for a bone to be thrown by ZoS...unfortunately this bone was too...small thrown with all the stamina mud. That is why people are complaining. We were hoping that ZoS would read our feedback....and there was plenty along with very good ideas that would not unbalance the game....
Here's some small scale PvP from last night - quality isnt the best sorry waiting on an external for clean vids. But please watch at least a little bit before you continue to say stam sorc isnt competitive.
FENGRUSH
This time with a URL that works.
Decent gameplay but what you show on your video I do every day. I still don't consider this as competitive since you didn't show how the class responds in very bad/tough situations where a magicka sorc would just outsurvive the situation with Hardened Ward and chain Streak.
Or you didn't show any good 1 vs 1 where your opponent is absolutely aware of you and you don't just Critical charge on him and you continue to light attack + execute spam him.
Your positioning is good I give you that. But the class doesn't perform as it could and that would show in appropriate fights.
Thats a fair point if youve never seen me play, but this is the only grouping Ive done in the last couple days. Theres other highlights and full gameplay on there though to take a pick at. Its not like I was a backround extra to the group though.
Point was to actually show me in play with other sorcs who are notably good players and keeping pace with them as well. Stam sorc holds up pretty well in current form in hard situations, more mobility than a magicka sorc. That will change dramatically in 1.7 though Id say and they will lose one of their biggest strengths.
notice you focused 2handed though, i'm assuming a bow focus or a DW focus would have made this a flop no?
You mean exclusively focused on 2hander? For any kind of burst yes, because theres no burst to pull from anywhere else. Bow is used in conjunction with it too.
Dual wield is something Ive put in for small group/inside keep play. But I would drop bow for it and still keep 2H. Charge/blink has a lot of power in its ability to shake a lot of the slower hands in cyro. I would also flip my build for more damage.
Here is a dual wield example:
FENGRUSH bomb
Pretty much have to kill your stam regen to get damage this high, and usually I wouldnt run it solo, but this will blow people up.0 -
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Here is a dual wield example:
FENGRUSH bomb
Pretty much have to kill your stam regen to get damage this high, and usually I wouldnt run it solo, but this will blow people up.
currently cant twitch, summery of how it works?
PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.0
