Why are players in the Group Finder so terrible?

Celestrael · July 2015

This isn't a ZOS issue, it's the players that are freakin terrible.

1) Rarely can you even herd these terribads into a dungeon.
2) They won't join voice chat.
3) They won't play the role they queued in for. Example: I'm a Templar Tank with a Healer off-spec... This noob sorc queued in as our healer but had no heals and had the audacity to say I should do it because im a Templar. I'm supposed to do both our jobs!?!? Gtfo!
4) Players always randomly quit before the dungeon is complete.

Ways to correct this behavior:
1) Automatically teleport players into the dungeon. Don't leave it to a group of morons to figure out how to get into it.
2) Automatically put them in voice chat when joining group. Don't give an option to leave it, if you're in a group you need to communicate. Leave option to mute annoying players in group.
3) Let players in a group vote someone out for not queuing for the proper role. If you get booted for not playing the role you queue for, you can't queue again for it for x number of hours
4) If you quit a dungeon before it is complete, you can't queue again for x amount of time.

Out of the last 5 group Finder groups I've joined, not a single one has been successful. I'm over it.

BaconMagic · July 2015

Or this... TEXT CHAT so we can properly LFG.

Mighty_oakk · July 2015

I cant remember the last time a group failed in a non vet dungeon i was in. Seems your just having bad luck. End up 3 manning the daily 1\2 the time.

VoidBlue · July 2015

i think the applying for the role you arent was there way to actually get into a group. since im sure there was 80% DPS and only 10% each of tank and heals. so if you que to be a tank or healer the chances of getting into a group via group finder increase a lot.

but i agree with your points. there should be a punishment for leaving group before the dungeon is over and it should teleport you all into that dungeon when the group is all ready

as for the applying for a certain role and not being that role. like i said im sure thats why and im completely against it as it messes up the group format completely to a point the dungeon might not be doable. but there is no way to stop it untilthey fix group finder or add text chat for grouping is easier to do.

BaconMagic · July 2015

To be fair, this game crashes on me all the time for no reason and happens often in group dungeons. Yay xbone.

Celestrael · July 2015

Oh I know WHY he joined as healer. No one wants to play the support roles so they queue in as them to get a group faster. I refuse to play both support roles to carry mooches through a dungeon. Queue as what role you fill or you get no tank because I drop group immediately now.

OzJohnD · July 2015

welcome to the real world of PUGs ... don't like it, rely on your guild (although without text chat on PS4 that's way harder to arrange than on PC with guild text chatting)

I have succeeded with my new low level toon at 3 PUGs (pick up groups) ... you are not likely to succeed with a Veteran level dungeon PUG

by the way, if you have your voice chat off, but a mike plugged in, it seems you will be in auto-group chat when the group is formed.

ZO is so bad at coding you don't want them to be in control of auto-porting and auto-voice chatting

A human player worth having in the dungeon with you already knows how to get there and turn on group voice chat

Soulshine · July 2015

This is just they way it goes with most games when you do PuGs.

Frankly, the few times I do this now I can usually tell by the very first trash pull if the group is going to work or not, especially when doing vet runs for Gold.

Some people just spend so much time soloing they have no clue how to play in a group or what is needed. Then they get a wild hair one day to try a dungeon....

If you are not comfortable with the boxes of chocolates Forrest Gump warned you about, stick to a guild because even with improved group tools, when it comes to PuGs you will still never know what you're going to get....

ghostwise · July 2015

I've 3 manned a handful of dungeons, quite a few times without a healer lol. Barely by the skin of our teeth though. I did spec my NB as a secondary healer, shadow. Never played a healer before in ANY game and I think we did alright. I healed and stuff....
I think you just got some bad apples. I kind of find it hard to suck at anything in this game so far.

God-eater · July 2015

All PUG's suck, in every game I've ever played.

Run with friends, or a guild, or learn to let go of the group content.

frenchyuk86 · July 2015

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

I cant remember the last time a group failed in a non vet dungeon i was in. Seems your just having bad luck. End up 3 manning the daily 1\2 the time.

Vet dungeons are a step up from normal.

In normal you can pretty much do it with 4 dps

Mighty_oakk · July 2015

frenchyuk86 wrote: »

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

I cant remember the last time a group failed in a non vet dungeon i was in. Seems your just having bad luck. End up 3 manning the daily 1\2 the time.

Vet dungeons are a step up from normal.

In normal you can pretty much do it with 4 dps

Yeah my vet dungeon experience has been hit and miss. The fact that there are some actual mechanics to some of the fights other then don't stand in the red stuff seems to be a hurdle for some

Woman · July 2015

I think it's just that on average the type of players that are looking to pug aren't in guilds or have a lot of experience themselves- so they are required to do so in order to find groups.

TequilaFire · July 2015

Ahem, couldn't possibly have been the leader...

OzJohnD · July 2015

btw .. I run DPS but have a second ability bar with one Restoration staff skill and I run the Undaunted healing well for times when it gets a bit messy.

Flaminir · July 2015

God-eater wrote: »

All PUG's suck, in every game I've ever played.

Run with friends, or a guild, or learn to let go of the group content.

Totally disagree 100%

Yes, guilds are always going to be better.... you know what you're getting there, and if people aren't that great then you can easily help them as they are in the guild & you'll likely be playing with them again.

But I've been here since beta, and run more PuGs than I can remember... I've met so many cool people along the way! Some I'm in guilds with now... others I regularly chat to on my friends list... others I just regularly make a beeline for when I see them in zonechat asking for help as I know they're good players & nice people.

There's been a few useless groups along the way... and a few Guar Lickers that were pretty anti-social, but on average most people have been fine. It's just a mirror of society....

RazielWolf88 · July 2015

I agree completely. Ive not been able to get into a single dungeon in a week now because of the same stupid players being afk or refusing to get to said dungeon. The only time i think voice chat should be used is vet dungeons though normal dungeons could be done blindfolded!

Ive just been focusing on my crafting now almost given up with the LFG system completely.

Pompeyfluff · July 2015

simple solution - search online and find a guild to play with. Soon find reliable people that you can do the dungeons with instead of finding people who have no idea what they are doing and dont communicate.

Tan9oSuccka · July 2015

Not all randoms are bad.

You had me until Templar Tank. Sorry...

Syntse · July 2015

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

You had me until Templar Tank. Sorry...

What's wrong with templar tank? In one of my guilds there is templar who does tank, heal and about 10k dps the same time. So usually he just tags along with 3 dps to speedrun the daily vet pledge.

leepalmer95 · July 2015

Just try and join a good pve guild, look for the guild recruitment sub forums.

Tan9oSuccka · July 2015

Syntse wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

You had me until Templar Tank. Sorry...

What's wrong with templar tank? In one of my guilds there is templar who does tank, heal and about 10k dps the same time. So usually he just tags along with 3 dps to speedrun the daily vet pledge.

I'm sure it can be done, but I've seen way too many "Tank" Templars (hybrids) face flop because they don't really tank or heal effectively.

I would rather have a Restoration Staff Templar Healer and a true Dragonknight tank.

MaxwellC · July 2015

I am definitely getting tired of people who queue the wrong class, I had a similar experience where another sorcerer queued as all 3 roles yet couldn't even properly play any of them because he out right sucked. When I called him out on it he didn't seem to happy and was saying I need to do more DPS and tank when my role is DPS only.

I don't agree with vote to boot because it may spawn a grieving system .

lolo_01b16_ESO · July 2015

Celestrael wrote: »

Ways to correct this behavior:
1) Automatically teleport players into the dungeon. Don't leave it to a group of morons to figure out how to get into it.
2) Automatically put them in voice chat when joining group. Don't give an option to leave it, if you're in a group you need to communicate. Leave option to mute annoying players in group.
3) Let players in a group vote someone out for not queuing for the proper role. If you get booted for not playing the role you queue for, you can't queue again for it for x number of hours
4) If you quit a dungeon before it is complete, you can't queue again for x amount of time.

1. Sounds ok as long as it doesn't happen instantly. I often do crafting writs or trading while waiting for a group so I usually need half a minute to finish this and get ready to port.
2. I personally don't mind, but I know people that do. Maybe make it optional in the lfg tool. If you queue for a voice chat group, you will only be grouped with players that want the same and noone can leave it, if you don't choose the option you might get grouped with people that don't want to use voice chat.
3. I don't like the "not be able to queue" part of this idea. I myself have been kicked from groups for stupid reasons (tank looses boss aggro so the healer gets oneshot => lets kick the healer from group, boss enrages because dps is too low => lets kick the healer, dps die because they refuse to walk out of boss aoe => lets kick the healer)
4. So if you happen to be in a group that can't complete the dungeon, none of you is allowed to try again with another group? How should people become better, if you only give them one chance?

Sausage · July 2015

ESO isnt easiest MMO game on the planet, it can be actually quite complex and confusing, not all player gather all Skyshards or do Public Group Dungeon challenges for skill points, so lots of people just lacks in skill points. You can thank Zen, console is nothing compared to PC launch, people wiped in vet dungeons for weeks, actually they wiped as long as CP was introduced.

JamilaRaj · July 2015

Celestrael wrote: »

This isn't a ZOS issue, it's the players that are freakin terrible.

1) Rarely can you even herd these terribads into a dungeon.
2) They won't join voice chat.
3) They won't play the role they queued in for. Example: I'm a Templar Tank with a Healer off-spec... This noob sorc queued in as our healer but had no heals and had the audacity to say I should do it because im a Templar. I'm supposed to do both our jobs!?!? Gtfo!

I think you should be reported to the Templar Police for dereliction of duty!

Celestrael wrote: »

4) Players always randomly quit before the dungeon is complete.

Well, but who could possibly suffer with randomly generated group of r-tards to the bitter end? That the group is hopeless is usually apparent after the first dozen of wipes. Then it is time to use some clever evasive maneuvers. My favourite is The Lag. It starts with me uttering sentences like: What a horrible lag today! Do you...guys...oo have....th...ag? Jamila Raj has left the party. <NO CARRIER>

Celestrael wrote: »

Ways to correct this behavior:
1) Automatically teleport players into the dungeon. Don't leave it to a group of morons to figure out how to get into it.

Hm, yeah, but the Trial of Enterance is helpful tool for identifying the most dangerouns morons in advance.

Celestrael wrote: »

2) Automatically put them in voice chat when joining group. Don't give an option to leave it, if you're in a group you need to communicate. Leave option to mute annoying players in group.
3) Let players in a group vote someone out for not queuing for the proper role. If you get booted for not playing the role you queue for, you can't queue again for it for x number of hours
4) If you quit a dungeon before it is complete, you can't queue again for x amount of time.

Out of the last 5 group Finder groups I've joined, not a single one has been successful. I'm over it.

Curtischoy · July 2015

Forced to join group chat and can't leave is a bad idea. The rest I can get on board with.

I use the group finder and it works well for me. usually it only forms a 3 person group, but that usually isn't too hard to fill with a guildie. Plus non-vet dungeons can be 3 manned NP, only lvl 36 so haven't had any experience with the vet dungeons yet.

Flameheart · July 2015

Wow...I am so glad to be a PC-player. You still get bad randoms by zone chat too, but you are able to make a list with names....

AlnilamE · July 2015

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

You had me until Templar Tank. Sorry...

What's wrong with templar tank? In one of my guilds there is templar who does tank, heal and about 10k dps the same time. So usually he just tags along with 3 dps to speedrun the daily vet pledge.

I'm sure it can be done, but I've seen way too many "Tank" Templars (hybrids) face flop because they don't really tank or heal effectively.

I would rather have a Restoration Staff Templar Healer and a true Dragonknight tank.

It absolutely can be done. Some of the best tanks I know have both Templar and DK tanks. My Templar is a better tank than she is a healer. My NB DPS can heal competently too, but I think my best healer is my sorc, for some reason.

My DKs are not high enough for vet content yet.

demendred · July 2015

It's been like this since the game came out. It's sad that people have to be stupid when it comes to lfg. The only pugs I like are

MaxwellC · July 2015

I also hate how for example if I'm a veteran 11 stop putting me in a group with veteran 1s-9s. I'd rather be in a group where everyone is vet 10 to 11 so we all get drops that are close to our levels.