Nightblades and can they see stealthed people

killa_shroomz · July 2015

I can't find a thread on this elsewhere, but I've been playing pvp, and I'll be chillin in stealth, not moving, when all of a sudden i get jumped by a nightblade. Who then just stealths out and i cannot find him with my sorcerer. So can nightblades just see anyone in stealth, even if they are far away, do they have to be relatively close, also, I do not ever get "detected" I just get attacked then detected. Playing on ps4

lolo_01b16_ESO · July 2015

Ther are different posibillites what happened to you. They could have used a detection potion. This reveales everyone to them within a certain radius. I often use those potions if I suspect someone waiting in stealth.
Magelight and a certain armour set do the same as the potions, but with a smaller radius. But if a player get close enough to you, he will see you.
Bosmer, Khajiit and medium armour users have a passive that reduces their detection range. If they move very close to someone without these passives while both are stealthed, they can see the other person without being seen by them. Usually your stealth indicator should show that they see you, but sometimes it's not working properly.

Sharee · July 2015

Just to make it clear, nothing mentioned in post #2 is nightblade-specific, any class can use those.

NB's have a class skill, a mark, that allows them to see stealthed people if they try to stealth after being marked, however you can clearly see that you've been marked (a red pillar-like effect is on you for ~30 seconds) so it never surprises you.

Most likely, the NB saw you before you entered sneak, activated a detection potion, then moved on your position fast (nightblades can move very fast in sneak).

killa_shroomz · July 2015

Me and a friend were sitting in stealth for a good 5 minutes and then he just popped up and attacked me.

Mr_Nobody · July 2015

killa_shroomz wrote: »

Me and a friend were sitting in stealth for a good 5 minutes and then he just popped up and attacked me.

you sure it wasnt a guard?

killa_shroomz · July 2015

We were out front of our keep

Farorin · July 2015

This has been happening to me a lot lately, I will be in stealth, and stealth wont even break or anything, next second, I get jumped by someone.

Someone suggested it was a det potion, if that is the case, that's kind of fair I suppose, as it only makes sense for stealth to have some vulnerabilities.

chevalierknight · July 2015

Farorin wrote: »

This has been happening to me a lot lately, I will be in stealth, and stealth wont even break or anything, next second, I get jumped by someone.

Someone suggested it was a det potion, if that is the case, that's kind of fair I suppose, as it only makes sense for stealth to have some vulnerabilities.

A player can see you in stealth with out braking you out

Ffastyl · July 2015

Getting close to someone in stealth and seeing them breaks it but using a detection potion allows you to see them without breaking their stealth status.

chevalierknight · July 2015

Ffastyl wrote: »

Getting close to someone in stealth and seeing them breaks it but using a detection potion allows you to see them without breaking their stealth status.

Not fully if you dont get attacked or move you will stay stealthed

TheBull · July 2015

killa_shroomz wrote: »

Me and a friend were sitting in stealth for a good 5 minutes and then he just popped up and attacked me.

Detect pots OP. We pop them like crazy.

Sithisvoid · July 2015

killa_shroomz wrote: »

Me and a friend were sitting in stealth for a good 5 minutes and then he just popped up and attacked me.

I've watched groups more than 5 minutes waiting for them to mess up and leave someone behind lol. even groups going in and out of stealth like ppl in this thread have mentioned I'm kajiit and have stealth bonuses.

killa_shroomz · July 2015

I have never heard of a detect potion or seen 1 in this game until this thread. What's the radius and how long does it last, and what ingreadients and skill are required to make a detect potion?
I was sitting out front of my keep because me and a group of 24 were fighting an enemy group of 24 for just hours. We would push them to their gate and then fell back. Far enough away to not get hit by the stealth mages but close enough to fight. We retreat back down the hill kinda and i was tellin people what to do so i was far away watching the front door or a side hill for any sneaking by. So me and a few guys would chill out front of our keep, because they would come back through the gate they controlled. So i waited for when they pushed everyone else back to the keep and we would be there to join the fight or swarm from the side. (flank attacks and such)
So I have medium armor and all the bonuses for that and I'm good at sneaking I don't get seen for runnin outta stamina myself on accident none of that. I don't see any flare from the support tree lol. I'm starting to think it was a detect potion.
What is the dmg bonus for attacking from stealth exactly?

GreenSoup2HoT · July 2015

Detection potions can have up to 20-30 meter radius and last up to 40 second's. This is V10 detect potion's though.

killa_shroomz · July 2015

What are the ingredients? Can they be purchased at a store the whole potion?

King Bozo · July 2015

Nightblades see dead people.

kamohs212eb17_ESO · July 2015

killa_shroomz wrote: »

What are the ingredients? Can they be purchased at a store the whole potion?

Basic is Cornflower + Wormwood. Baaah, learn Alchemy already!

killa_shroomz · July 2015

Im working on it! Lol

ThePonzzz · July 2015

In some cases, you're not actually stealth, even if the eye says hidden for you. I've noticed people squat down and don't go "dark" quite a bit. Especially in front of keeps. I took out 4 people that way a few nights ago.

I know you said you didn't move, but if you do any DoT skills, you'll also be visible.

lolzbuckets · July 2015

To address some loose ends in this thread: there are a few skills you can use that don't break stealth, like the aforementioned stealth-revealing giant red pillar; it has a range of 50 meters and I can cast it on you while stealthed and remain 100% stealthed. Also, nearly all healing spells.

Also, if you are observed by an NPC when you crouch, even if it's friendly, your detection eye will stay open until you break line of sight or move out of range or the NPC looks away. Then you'll actually begin to enter stealth. This probably accounts for the poor not-sneaky shmucks you murdered, ThePonzzz.

iamjoehalenbeck · July 2015

killa_shroomz wrote: »

I can't find a thread on this elsewhere, but I've been playing pvp, and I'll be chillin in stealth, not moving, when all of a sudden i get jumped by a nightblade. Who then just stealths out and i cannot find him with my sorcerer. So can nightblades just see anyone in stealth, even if they are far away, do they have to be relatively close, also, I do not ever get "detected" I just get attacked then detected. Playing on ps4

he was in stealth and you and your mates were sat chatting crap and he moved up to you seen you from behind while you two sat doing nout and then he leaped on you and stealthd back out lol serves you right for sitting about on pvp lol

killa_shroomz · July 2015

We were defending the wall they had been ambushing and we were leapt upon by an enemy who saw right through our us! We were hiding in good spots and he knew before the battle even started where our backs were. (the captain procedes to say see an alchemist and get the detect potion if your gonna be sneakier than the sneakers) lol

Loomis · July 2015

I would think if he marked you before stealth he could still see you since in works in PvE that way

killa_shroomz · July 2015

No red pillar no eye partially open we were there for 5 minutes waiting for everyone to come back (because they did) and he just saw through our stealth we weren't moving or anything we we payin attention to anything that moved lol he just knew we were there and attacked me while i was in stealth

Sharee · July 2015

killa_shroomz wrote: »

No red pillar no eye partially open we were there for 5 minutes waiting for everyone to come back (because they did) and he just saw through our stealth we weren't moving or anything we we payin attention to anything that moved lol he just knew we were there and attacked me while i was in stealth

You repeated this several times already like it is relevant, so just in case you are not aware: not moving does not make you harder to detect in sneak.

In fact, it makes you more vulnerable, because sneak detection works in a cone in front of you. When you are not moving, and someone sneaking approaches you from behind, he will see you way before you can see him, because your own detection of sneaking enemies behind your back is nonexistent.

HeardsTheWord · July 2015

Sharee wrote: »

sneak detection works in a cone in front of you.

Is there a delay associated with the detection? For example, if I rotate in a constant circle, will I pick up someone the second they enter my cone, or is there a slight time delay before they are actually detected once in the detection cone?

Also, will you never see someone sneaking up from behind, or is the detection zone just larger in front of your character?

Sharee · July 2015

HeardsTheWord wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

sneak detection works in a cone in front of you.

Is there a delay associated with the detection? For example, if I rotate in a constant circle, will I pick up someone the second they enter my cone, or is there a slight time delay before they are actually detected once in the detection cone?

There is a delay coming from the dataflow between the server and your client. It takes a while after a stealther enters your detection radius before he actually becomes visible to you - and the other way around, after he leaves your detection radius, it takes a while before he disappears from your screen. If you rotate quickly, i believe he will not be revealed. I consider it the safest to be constantly moving forward, since that way noone can sneak up to you from behind. If you have to sit still, do it facing the only direction an enemy can come from.

HeardsTheWord wrote: »

Also, will you never see someone sneaking up from behind, or is the detection zone just larger in front of your character?

From experience, you will not see an enemy behind you before he enters melee range(and thus does not have to come any closer anymore), that's 4 meters or so.

Reeko · July 2015

Sharee wrote: »

Just to make it clear, nothing mentioned in post #2 is nightblade-specific, any class can use those.

NB's have a class skill, a mark, that allows them to see stealthed people if they try to stealth after being marked, however you can clearly see that you've been marked (a red pillar-like effect is on you for ~30 seconds) so it never surprises you.

Most likely, the NB saw you before you entered sneak, activated a detection potion, then moved on your position fast (nightblades can move very fast in sneak).

Just to be clear, ANY class can move very fast in sneak. Vampires, Nights Silence set. Only thing NB has is concealed weapon which i dont think stacks anymore. I could be wrong about this though. Plus from my experiance most NB run with surprise over concealed.

Sentinel · July 2015

Sneaking around with radiant magelight lets you see most other stealthed players before they see you. In addition, i don't believe they're given any visual cues someone's nearby seeing them with magelight except for maybe the slitted eye. You can usually hear the skills and actions of a player even if you dont see them though.

Not Nb specific. Though piercing mark, a nb skill lets you see the marked target even after stealthed. Its a rather obvious pillar above you.

Baronh2o · July 2015

Reeko wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Just to make it clear, nothing mentioned in post #2 is nightblade-specific, any class can use those.

NB's have a class skill, a mark, that allows them to see stealthed people if they try to stealth after being marked, however you can clearly see that you've been marked (a red pillar-like effect is on you for ~30 seconds) so it never surprises you.

Most likely, the NB saw you before you entered sneak, activated a detection potion, then moved on your position fast (nightblades can move very fast in sneak).

Just to be clear, ANY class can move very fast in sneak. Vampires, Nights Silence set. Only thing NB has is concealed weapon which i dont think stacks anymore. I could be wrong about this though. Plus from my experiance most NB run with surprise over concealed.

Vampire still stacks with concealed weapon and the morph of blur. A vampire magicka nightblade if built right can chase down bolting mages in stealth

SilentFox22 · July 2015

Is it possible that you were anticipated on being in your positions by the enemy because you repeatedly fell back to the same position? Reading that pattern could have allowed your enemy to detect your strategy...

killa_shroomz wrote: »

I was sitting out front of my keep because me and a group of 24 were fighting an enemy group of 24 for just hours. We would push them to their gate and then fell back. Far enough away to not get hit by the stealth mages but close enough to fight. We retreat back down the hill kinda and i was tellin people what to do so i was far away watching the front door or a side hill for any sneaking by. So me and a few guys would chill out front of our keep, because they would come back through the gate they controlled. So i waited for when they pushed everyone else back to the keep and we would be there to join the fight or swarm from the side. (flank attacks and such)